they are now fort cavazos. the new name honors texas-born korean and vietnam war vet general richard edward cavazos. he was the first hispanic to reach the rank of brigadier general. he was the army's first hispanic four star general. fort hood among nine army installations that are taking on new names to replace those of confederate leaders. and that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. reach me on twitter and instagram @jdbalart. watch highlights are this show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the showdown. president biden and speaker mccarthy face to face this afternoon with their jobs on the line, flanked by congressional

leaders at the white house to address the looming debt ceiling deadline as financial calamity moves one day closer to reality. in manhattan, nine jurors are deliberating in a trial against president trump brought by e. jean carroll. a 6-year-old boy wounded in a mass shooting. the only member of his family to survive. both his parents and 3-year-old brother slain while two young sisters, aging 8 and 11, are also killed. their mother in critical condition. just two of the families, some of the victims in the latest mass shooting involving an ar-15-style rifle. i will speak with gun safety advocate fred guttenberg whose daughter jamie died in 2018 in parkland. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in

washington. president biden will hold speaker mccarthy, leaders schumer and mcconnell and hakeem jeffriess for a meeting on the debt ceiling. it's not expected to produce any major breakthroughs with the nation weeks away from falling off a fiscal cliff. can they find a way around the current stalemate. the president facing what could be a tough re-election, insisting on separating budget talks from the debt ceiling, which congress raised 78 times before in history, including times when donald trump was president, with support from democrats. does the speaker have any way to compromise? with pressure from his caucus that could cost him his job. joining me now, kristin welker, co-host of "weekend today" and ryan nobles, and olivia beavers. this is a pivotal moment for the president as he tries to raise the debt limit without too many concessions on the budget, to rebuild his image with skeptical

voters with his poll numbers really at their lowest. >> reporter: you are right. you can think of this as basically a high stakes game of chicken. both sides are completely dug in, by the way, going into this meeting. the white house and folks around these talks really downplaying the prospects for a major breakthrough. here is what's at issue. as you said, president biden saying he wants to increase the debt limit with no strings attached. he said, he is open to budget talks but not right now. republicans demanding that there are cuts as well. they just passed that bill that would increase the debt limit but it would also come with a number of cuts to things like veterans' benefits, for example. the president and the white house saying that that is dead on arrival. so that is how these two sides are dug in. we anticipate the president will go into this meeting, that he is going to call for a long-term

extension of the debt limit. here is the thing. behind the scenes we have been talking to sources who say that they are not taking the possibility off the table of the potential for a short-term extension that would allow budget talks in the fall. this does come as the president is up for re-election and 63% of americans are questioning president biden's mental effectiveness, his ability to handle this type of a crisis. the stakes could not be high are for all sides. >> ryan, our colleague garrett haake just caught up with speaker mccarthy on his way to the floor. he was the only reporter there. he outlined some part of his strategy and the white house is not going to like what they are hearing. >> reporter: that's right. garrett asked the speaker if he would be open to the short-term deal that would offer an exit ramp for more broader negotiations later this fall. he simply said no, that they do

not want to kick the can any further down the road. they want to put this deal together right now. mccarthy likened the negotiations around the way the biden administration has handled the situation at the border, especially with title 42 about to expire, saying the administration had not done enough to negotiate an exit strategy out of that situation. mccarthy seems to be going into this conversation resolute in his belief he has the republican caucus behind him and that now is the time to get not only the debt ceiling lifted but also the spending cut concessions that he is looking for. garrett also specifically asked the speaker about his conversations with the minority leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell. mccarthy seems to echo what mcconnell said all along, he is letting mccarthy be the leader in these negotiations and that senate republicans will back him up. we have seen senate republicans

voice that support through a letter to the white house. 43 senate republicans. that would make it enough to prevent any sort of deal passing the senate for a clean debt ceiling. they need 60 votes to get it over the finish line. it doesn't appear as though kevin mccarthy's position changed that much. he is looking for the big deal. he wants it to happen now, not a couple of months down the road. >> olivia, it doesn't sound as though the speaker's position has changed at all. he seems to feel he is negotiating from a position of strength by bringing up title 42, which is a problem that no president, certainly not president trump nor president biden have been able to resolve. by bringing that up right now, it's sort of driving home the fact that the president is vulnerable this week. >> yes. republicans are feeling like they have the upper hand. with title 42, you could expect to see republicans using that as a messaging point.

going to say the administration doesn't have this under control. they will use it on the debt ceiling. we made the first pitch. your turn to come back and counter. if you refuse to negotiate, then we're going to come after you. you will see that on the televisions. >> the fact is that what they offered, speaker mccarthy surprised a lot of people by squeaking through with 217-215. what he offered was not just budget cuts. it was to reverse three of the president's biggest legislative achievements. that's a non-starter. that's the kind of deal he has to refuse. >> it's a non-starter. democrats have said that plain and simple. it's also interesting talking to some of his right wing, right flank republicans. i asked them, should he give a short-term negotiation? absolutely not. this was the minimum that some of them are willing to pass. they would have thrown in the kitchen sink if they knew it was something that would be watered

down. he will be squeezed. >> kristin welker, the president has said he is not going to negotiate. he was coming in with something where there would be a parallel negotiation, a short-term extension, the budget and the debt ceiling and then both declare victory. it doesn't sound like he is going to find a willing negotiator on the other side of the table. >> reporter: it doesn't sound like it for now, in this initial conversation. the first one that he will have had with speaker mccarthy since the two met back in february. we do know that some aides to lawmakers on capitol hill and the white house huddled before this meeting. that's what you would expect before a meeting of principals. we anticipate we would see that on the other side. the tea leaves are going to be so interesting. we're going to listen to what the -- we hope they talk to reporters after the meeting. what they have to say. is there any daylight, any sign that negotiations are starting? as one person close to the president put it, president

biden is someone who has a history of negotiating. so part of this process is giving it space to let those talks play out, because at this point in time, they are dealing with a deadline that's less than a month away. as we keep saying, all you have to do is go back do 2011 when they were able to reach a deal on the debt limit, but the process itself was so murky that s&p downgraded the country's credit rating. that was a real blow to the economy then. that would be significant politically for all sides if that were to happen again. >> the president, i'm sure, had hoped, all indications, that he was hoping mitch mcconnell would jump in as he has in the past. clearly, he is hands off. he will let mccarthy deal with the problems in his caucus. we will be watching at 4:00 for all your reporting from the white house and ryan from the hill. more ahead on the challenges facing the president. what's driving down his poll numbers? that's next when "andrea

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heading into today's debt ceiling crisis meeting, president biden is facing major headwinds with the latest "washington post" abc news poll showing him at a low 36% approval rating, down from 42% in february. the lowest poll numbers for any president seeking a second term. in addition to the looming debt ceiling deadline, he faces a pending crisis at the southern board they are week with thursday's lifting of the covid restrictions on migrants known as title 42. recent 2024 polling has president biden trailing or tied in a head to head rematch with former president trump. joining me now, the president and ceo and white house reporter

and charlie sykes. the title 42 border restriction, it's a lose/lose thing. the criticism from the aclu -- i talked to them yesterday. they didn't prepare properly. they didn't create regional centers. they didn't get more judges and social workers down there. there's resentment from social ngos about sending 1,500 active duty troops. >> the message it sends -- we knew title 42 was going to sunset two years ago. there seems to be -- they seem to be caught on back footing. the message of militariing the border more plays into the people are trying to seek asylum are criminals. it doesn't help. what we saw most recently this weekend where someone took it upon themselves to take their

car and kill seven innocent migrants because of the rhetoric and it has consequences. the administration needs a conversation with the american people of what's happening at the border and how if we don't create humane conditions, sadly, we think this could be much worse than it already is. >> we were talking about how just today speaker mccarthy is seizing on the border issue and throwing it into the debt ceiling conversation to sort of amplify the president's vulnerabilities right now, just in the last couple of days. >> there's no question republicans are looking to seize on this expected surge at the border in a bid to frame it as a major liability for president biden. look, i think that president biden is in a really difficult position when it comes to title 42 and its end. for a long time, he was facing criticism from immigration advocates for keeping it in place because many of them pointed out that this trump-era

policy was not about the public health emergency around covid-19 but another trump-era policy designed to limit immigration and asylum seekers. the administration has proposed new rules that would restrict the number of asylum seekers coming to the u.s. there are no good answers on this issue. we know it -- congress remains at a deadlock when it comes to immigration. it's very early in the course of the election cycle. it's hard to say if this will be an issue going into the 2024 election season. polling shows it's a top issue for republican primary voters. that's why you are hearing a lot from republicans about immigration and the as salient comes to the general electorate. we will see if anything changes after the lifting of title 42. >> it is true he is being criticized by both sides. he can't seem to win on this issue. the election is more than a year ago. in a hypothetical matchup, look at these numbers.

44 of voting-age adults say they would vote for donald trump. 38% would likely vote for joe biden. if desantis is the nominee, he is at 42% while president biden is 37%. 21% undecided. this is one poll, but how troubling should this be for the white house, which has been eager for donald trump to be the nominee? >> a couple of things. of course, it's early. that poll might be an outlier. it's an indication they should not engage in too much complacency about all of this. all of the challenges that you are mentioning are real and they're not going to go away. i think in -- by the time the general election campaign rolls around, this election will be a referendum on donald trump. joe biden can't count on that. some of this is something the administration can fix. some of it is basically the mood of the country.

americans are in a bad mood. we have this massive, i think, hangover/malaise from the pandemic. i think that joe biden is paying a price for it. also, the fact is that his critics have been able successfully to make the narrative about his mental acuity. i think that the white house needs to lean into that. i think he needs to be more of a presence. he needs to use the bully pulpit more. there are some things that are going to be difficult to fix, including the fact that even with a growing economy, americans are just in a bad mood. that's never good news for an incumbent. >> not acknowledging that the economy is in fairly good shape, all things considered. but it sure won't be if this debt ceiling crisis continues. even after this first meeting, if it falls apart badly in what they say outside afterwards. markets react. charlie, i want to ask you about

something liz cheney has down. take a look. >> he refused for three hours to tell the mob to leave. there has never been a greater dereliction of duty by any president. trump was warned his plans for january 6 were illegal. he didn't care. today, he celebrates those who attacked our capitol. donald trump has proven he is unfit for office. donald trump is a risk america can never take again. >> charlie, is that effective? >> good for her. it needs to be said. list cheney says it as effectively as anyone. i don't know what she is planning on doing, whether she's running or whether or not she's simply firing a shot across the bow to soften him up. as we get into this campaign, this is part of the dialogue that needs to take place and needs to take place within the republican primary.

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we are learning new terrible details about the eight people gunned down during a mass shooting at a mall near dallas, texas. cindy and kyu cho brought their boys to the mall to exchange a birthday president. the 3-year-old was killed along with his parents. his 6-year-old brother william is the only family member who survived. 11-year-old daniela and sofia

mendoza died as well. they were described as rays of sunshine. aishwarya had come to shop with a friend. christian was a security guard. he was only 23. he was working at the time of the shooting. his grandmother called him a beautiful soul with goals for his future. and police have identified the eighth victim. there's new disturbing information about the gunman. priscilla thompson has the latest from allen, texas. >> reporter: investigators have pointed us to a russian social media site where the shooter engaged online. we are seeing hundreds of posts espousing these neonazi and white supremacy rhetoric. he had purchased thousands of dollars worth of guns and

ammunition. posts dating back to may of last year, a year ago showing he had been posting dozens of photos of the shopping mall, posting maps showing the entrances and exits and posts about the busiest time when there would be the most potential shoppers here. all of that very concerning. in addition to posts leading up to this horrific incident showing him speaking cryptically on social media, which could have suthssuggested he may have planning something. all of this is incredibly disturbing. it comes as we do expect the texas department of public safety alongside the fbi and allen police department to hold a press briefing later today. they have not held a briefing since the day of the shooting. it is happening as many people in this community are asking questions and demanding answers about how all of this happened. of course, the big question, why?

what was the motive here? we will be looking to see if investigators able to answer that question today along with anything that they can share about whether or not this shooter may have been on their radar and if not, why not? given all of the information that is coming out about what he had been saying and doing online. >> priscilla thompson, thank you. here with me now is fred guttenberg, who lost his daughter jamie five years ago in the parkland, florida, massacre. he teamed up with thomas gabor, who lost his father to gun violence. they have written a new book "american carnage, shattering the myths that fuel gun violence." thank you for the book. it's a wonderful contribution. you have done so much, both of you, in your advocacy. fred, we have known each other since 2018. >> i wish we didn't. >> i wish i had never met you. because i wish jamie were still

here. >> she would be 20 this july. she was killed when she was 14. >> so beautiful. >> i want to go back to the opening. you talked about that family, a 6-year-old who is now an orphan. parents and sister killed. these stories break me. yesterday and for the rest of this week, we are in washington to hand out copies of our book to every single member of congress. we were in the senate building yesterday when the story broke. i can't begin to tell you how devastating it is to read stories like that or the other family with two daughters killed, it's the reason why tom and i wrote the book. it's the reason why we are here in washington, d.c. to make sure every member of congress reads the book. it is time in this country to stop listening to the liars. people like the governor of texas or the current senator of

texas or the attorney general of texas who refuse to deal with the reality that their policies are the reason this latest shooting happened. >> let's talk about greg abbott for a moment. he said the answer is mental health. yet, texas, under his leadership, cut the budget by hundreds of millions of dollars for mental health programs, whatever they did have, and arguably you could argue that mental health is a piece of this. ar-15s or ar-15-style weapons and the availability -- >> stop listening to the liars. here is the thing. 20 years ago, there were 200 million weapons in america. now over 400 million. 20 years ago, ar-15 sales were less than 2% of all guns sold. now they are 25%. it is everything you need to know about why this happened in texas. greg abbott's policies -- this person who did this this week, legally bought the gun in a

private setting. never had to go through a background check. that's greg abbott's texas. that's the reason it happened. greg abbott is a liar. stop listening to the liars. >> let's talk about the house in texas, the legislature who just passed an age requirement raising the age to 21 for buys weapons from 18. the governor said he won't sign it if it gets through the senate. >> i think potentially that could be a useful policy. we see many perpetrators are between the ages of 18 to 21. especially school shooters. that would be useful. just getting back to the mental health issue, we know that only -- this is a familiar dodge of the gun lobby. we know that only 4% of all violence is due to people or committed by people with a severe mental illness. it's a dodge. as fred says, we have to look at the guns. i would like to add something.

in the 1980s, the gun lobby and extremists campaigned in the states for concealed carry laws. now in every state in the union, people can carry guns. now they are lobbying in a number of states -- we now have 26 which don't require a permit to carry. it is as though we decided -- we have 10 million more people carrying guns daily. it's as though we have decided we will add 50 million cars on the road but we will take away the need to obtain a license. what would we expect? carnage. that's what we are getting in the guns area. >> fred, senator schumer is having a democratic caucus this week. >> thursday afternoon. >> already, the republicans -- senator cornyn and others said there won't be action on gun legislation in this session. is there a good purpose in shining a light on it as senator schumer is trying to do? >> listen, absolutely. hold a vote.

let america see. 80% of america says they stand with senator schumer and people like tom and i and others who want to reduce gun violence. let america see who will vote to reduce gun violence and who will vote with the lobby that wants to sell more guns. show america. there's an election coming. you know what? that 80% of america is seeing people get shot when they ring the doorbell, they pull up the wrong driveway or go shopping in a mall. it's resonating since i haven't seen since my daughter's shooting. we will vote on this issue. it's the voting issue of '24. people like senator cornyn and others, they can go home. >> fred, tom, thank you both so much. >> thank you. >> the book is "american carnage, shattering the myths that fuel gun violence." thank you both so much. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. the verdict watch, it's on.

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testify in his own defense. so the jury has seen him only on videotape, in a deposition, where legal experts say he may have done himself more harm than good. if the jury believes her, they can award her damages. in her lawyer's closing argument, she downplayed a request for large damages. trump denies and insisting he never sexually assaulted carroll or knew her. joining me now is ron allen from outside the courthouse and a former federal prosecutor. when did the jury get the case? could you brief us on what has taken place so far? >> reporter: here is the verdict sheet. the first question the jurors have to answer is, did miss

carroll prove that mr. trump raped miss carroll? if they answer yes, they can go to damages. if they answer no, the battery allegation in new york could involve just sexual abuse or forcible touching, not necessarily rape. they have some latitude as they assess what they think happened or didn't happen. the bottom line is, as you say, former president trump is saying, none of this ever happened and that he does not know this woman and that this is all about money, status and politics. that's what they have argued in court. on the other hand, miss carroll took the witness stand for several days, often emotional, tearful, recounting -- re-telling, i should say, a detailed story about what she says happened back in the spring of 1996. the trump side says that he was never there, he never shopped at the store. they described it unbelievable,

a scenario, that mr. trump would meet her there, they would go to the sixth floor, on the escalator, and this attack would happen in the lingerie department and nobody hear or see or anything this. it boils down to simply, who do you believe? mr. trump or e. jean carroll. on e. jean carroll's side there are two friends who she says she called in 1996 when this happened. two other women testified who say that mr. trump sexually assaulted them sometime ago. one as far back as 1979, the other in 2005. there are more witnesses. this is the point her attorneys made in the end. the weight of the evidence seems to be on her side, they said. it is, they said, because there are other supporting witnesses backing her claim. on the other hand, mr. trump did not testify at all. he did via that deposition. again, their point is that this never happened, none of it.

>> cynthia, this is a civil case. it's the preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. that's a big difference. >> a huge difference. it's more likely than not. it's just tipping the scale a tiny bit. this case is fascinating, because it really is under the whole frame of the "access hollywood" tape. he is the witness against himself. he said i can do whatever i want to with women. we not only have e. jean carroll but two other women and these outcry witnesses. i'm worried. sex cases are difficult for people to even talk about in the jury room. it's hard to make analysis. people are afraid to do it. that's a concern. trump is a concern. whenever there's trump, it's a wild card. there's one juror that lots of jury watchers are concerned

about who said he did listen to right wing radio. a lot of things to worry about here as the jury goes out today. >> if you are e. jean carroll? >> if you are e. jean carroll. >> apparently, something happened this morning in the courtroom. we are getting word from our producer there that donald trump tweeted something on truth social about false accusations. the clarification later from his team was that he was confusing the hush money case with this case, because he had been under instructions from the judge, this judge, not to go on social media about it at all. he had been instructed by tacopina, according to the judge, in open court. there was an exchange outside of the range of the jury this morning at 9:04 this morning. this issue was raised by e. jean carroll's attorney, finding it troublesome. they are sequestered, but if they are unable to reach a decision today, we request they

are given an instruction. >> here is the problem. trump has not had the guts to show up in the courtroom. then what he has done, like a bully and a coward, he goes on television in ireland or he goes after somebody on truth social. when he gets caught, he lies and skunks about it -- that's what happened. he said he was coming back to testify and he did not. he has been caught lying a couple times with this judge. in the deposition he said, when he was caught making a mistake, that e. jean carroll was marla maples, instead of going, i made a mistake, he said, well the photograph is blurry. it is not blurry. he just lied. he has lied repeatedly in this case, in this courtroom and violated the judge's order. by the way, his truth social post may violate the rules of the judge in the other case as well.

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the business community, telling them it would be a catastrophe if congress doesn't raise the debt limit. brian chung has more. >> the debt ceiling concerns the amount we owe as a nation. here is how much the u.s. treasury issued in debt. in congress, they set ceilings on the accumulation of that debt. it's $31 trillion, which we have blown through. it's important to note that the debt ceiling doesn't address how much we spend or where we spend. it's a cap on how much we are able to cover on bills we have wrapped up. what happens now? the treasury says we can probably only keep the lights on through june 1st. after that, we might be unable to pay the bills, at which point we may have to start choosing where we can keep the money flowing. social security, medicare, food stamps might be at risk. then there's the risk of our reputation. the u.s. takes pride in its

credit worthiness. our credit rating as a nation could fall if we don't. that would lead to a spike in interest rates as financial markets turn away from our government's debt. as a benchmark for borrowing it could make it more expensive to get credit. the ultimate concern would be default. the government starts to straight up miss payments on what it owes the many people, businesses and governments owning u.s. debt. all the other things get worse in that case. even higher interest rates, more ratings downgrades, more government program cuts. none of this has happened because congress has moved to raise or suspend the debt ceiling in the last 78 times we have faced this. we will see if that becomes 79. >> thanks to brian chung for that great explainer. joining us now is mya mcguinness, the president of the committee for a responsible federal budget. it's good to see you again. we talked last week. we are now a week closer to the

june 1st fiscal cliff, if you will. there's a meeting today. instead of some signals of compromise, both sides, certainly on the hill from what speaker mccarthy told garrick haake today, they are hardening their side. >> i'm not encouraged. it's really important and good news that they are talking today. it has been almost 100 days, i believe, since their last conversation. keep in mind, we have known about this for well over a year. it's not helpful to anyone that it taking so long to have these conversations. this has to be a meeting that isn't about political posturing but is about both sides sharing what it is that they need to get a deal. deal. and, andrea, i don't think it is so hard to see what i deal could be. they need some level of savings, something that is going to address the unsustainable fiscal situation we have and they have been asking for. and on the democratic side, it is going to have to be that we

separate the negotiation from the actual lifting of the debt ceiling. and i would think they're also going to want to make sure the debt ceiling increased for some longer amount of time, past the next election, preferably, and probably reform the debt ceiling. there is a lot of possible area of agreement within there. but if they start by hardening their positions, we're just getting dangerously close to the deadline that will be this summer and markets and the -- markets are going to start to get concerned and this is going to be good for nobody if we keep dragging this out. >> and every indication from what the speaker said today is that there is no short-term deal, and no parallel deal, no negotiation on the budget separately from the debt ceiling as the president i think may have privately been hoping. he's not going to get any backing from mitch mcconnell, which he had in the past. it is the speaker and his caucus that had leverage right now. >> well, and i don't think that those are the right things to worry about. the right thing is to ensure

that -- i think that is what they're worrying about, i don't think they should be. the right thing is to ensure we do get some improvement on the fiscal situation. that's what republicans put on the table, that makes sense. many times in the past we have increased the debt ceiling while also putting in place savings packages to help deal with debt problems. we have done it before. it would make sense to do it now. i would point out under president trump, when we lifted the debt ceiling, we put in place packages that made the debt worse, not better. we should not be doing that again. but i think republicans should be focusing on getting sensible savings, but a short-term debt ceiling increase makes absolute sense. it makes the negotiating timeline easier all around, and you can do it in return for something like not spending the unobligated covid money. that i think would make sense. and doing it on a parallel track that both sides talk about the way they want to. that's part of the art of negotiating, which seems to be lost in washington these days. >> maya macguineas, thank you so

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today vladimir putin led a scaled back version of russia's annual victory day parade, marking the soviet victory over the nazis in world war ii.

it comes after an alleged drone attack against the kremlin and retaliation by a drone against cities in ukraine and a pullback by russian troops among key positions in ukraine. much of the information we get from the front line of russia's invasion comes from extraordinary journalists including nbc's inside the war zones. among them, three ukrainian associated press reporters, awarded this year's top pulitzer prize for public service. just yesterday for their coverage of mariupol, as well as the second pulitzer for the entire ap photography staff in ukraine for their incredible coverage of the war. here's a look at their work. mariupol under siege, half a million people living under ground in subways, basements and tunnels. the information blackout almost complete, except for three ukrainian associated press journalists determined to record the devastation. >> we just run towards the direction where people run away from. >> reporter: what inspires you

to do that? >> first of all, i am journalist. that's just my work. that's what i do. and secondly i'm ukrainian. so that also kind of gives me a sense of duty that i have to do whatever i can to document history of my country. >> reporter: they stayed as eyewitnesses to the horror. >> i think i will never forget the scream of a woman losing her child and these tears on doctor's eyes when they left the room and then they didn't save the life of this small child. >> reporter: the team capturing the bombing of the maternity ward and the woman nine months pregnant who died alone with her baby two days later. images outlawed in russia, where covering the war can get you killed or jailed on false spying charges like "the wall street journal's" evan geskorvich.

67 journalists and media workers were killed. >> being a journalist means being a target. it is just the reality of modern warfare, i think. >> reporter: yet they stayed. how do you have the courage to stay and do this job? >> war just came to my home and i really wanted to give voice to the people. >> reporter: and to make sure their stories are never forgotten. >> and they are not forgotten. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good