67 journalists and media workers were killed. >> being a journalist means being a target. it is just the reality of modern warfare, i think. >> reporter: yet they stayed. how do you have the courage to stay and do this job? >> war just came to my home and i really wanted to give voice to the people. >> reporter: and to make sure their stories are never forgotten. >> and they are not forgotten. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day.

i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. five men, one job, averting economic disaster on a global scale. will the participants in today's white house meeting recognize those incredibly high stakes and get something done? or will political partisanship push the u.s. economy closer to a first ever default. plus, tens of thousands of people arrested at the border, trying to get in before title 42 expires. thousands more waiting to get in. we'll get the latest from the border and have my conversation with one man who knows full well the politics and the passion associated with the immigration fight. that's coming up. and just days after that mass shooting in a mall, republican lawmakers in texas do something shocking, advancing gun reform legislation. but does it have any real hope of becoming law? so lots to get to. we start with a critical test for our government, to see whether the people in charge can

steer the country away from an economic disaster that could wreck the markets in the coming weeks and put the livelihoods of millions of american workers at risk. according to the joint economic committee, a u.s. default could cost americans $20,000 in retirement savings, mortgage payments and private student loan costs would go up, another study cited by the white house found that even a short-term default could mean the loss of nearly 2 million jobs and a jump in the unemployment rate. all of that, the sobering backdrop to this afternoon's meeting between president biden, house speaker kevin mccarthy and the rest of congressional leadership. their first face to face meeting in months as they try to figure out how to raise the debt limit before june 1st. i want to bring in nbc's senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. peter baker is "the new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst. matthew dowd is msnbc's senior political analyst. good to have you all. so, garrett, i understand you

just caught up with this speaker ahead of this meeting. so what did he tell you? >> reporter: well, chris, going back a little bit, we know there was a meeting among white house staff and the staff of some of the congressional leaders late last week to set the ground work for these negotiations and one of the things that i and other reporters have been keeping an eye on is whether the white house would push to extend the debt limit for just a short period of time into the early fall so they could have negotiations on spending, without having negotiations on debt and that the spending negotiations and debt would all line up sometime in september. kevin mccarthy was back at the capitol today. i had a chance to ask him about that possibility and his answer was not encouraging if indeed that's the white house's preferred next step. take a listen to what he told me. >> you seem to be hearing from the white house that they want more time, they may want to -- is that something you would be amenable to if that's presented to you today? >> no. >> no?

>> no. >> so there is no scenario in which a partial negotiation happens now, the bigger picture in the fall? >> no. >> reporter: that's a pretty definitive no there, chris. we're still in this posturing stage ahead of this meeting, where everyone has dug in in their positions. the white house saying they don't want to negotiate on debt at all. the no from mccarthy is interesting. what he's said is about trying to get in the room and have these negotiations and that same interview he made a point to say he has not met with president biden on this issue for 97 days, 97 days he's been trying to start the negotiations. so what he and his conference, the only body that passed anything related to the debt ceiling this year, is that republican-led house what they would be willing to compromise on at this stage is still unknown. >> so, peter, you pointed out in your article today that the two sides aren't clear about the terms of today's meeting. and the white house press secretary actually disputed the

idea that this was even a negotiation. take a listen. >> do you have any -- about who else is going to be in the meeting tomorrow and whether biden will -- >> i wouldn't call it debt ceiling negotiations. i would call it a conversation between the four leaders and the president. >> okay. they're going to have a conversation, peter. what is going to happen there? >> yeah, conversation, she was so intent on making sure that's the way it was framed, she used it 15 times to describe today's meeting. they don't want to characterize it as negotiation. president biden refused to negotiate, saying shouldn't have to negotiate to increase the debt ceiling. that's something congress should do clean on its own without make negative kind of conditions. that's what they'll say heading into this meeting. this meeting will not be the definitive meeting, it is an opening bid as they head toward that deadline that seemed to be around june 1st at the moment. the real negotiations arguably are weeks away. congress and the white house has shown time and time again they're not really serious about

things until right before a deadline. garrett knows that, he's covered these so many times. that's only when they see the cliff in front of them, they finally find a solution or find a way to punt the solution down the road. when kevin mccarthy says no to any short-term extension, that's no for today. that doesn't necessarily mean no three weeks from now. it wouldn't be in his interest to admit that up-front. it might look like negotiations, even if they call it something else. >> matthew, does kevin mccarthy have to deal? there are a lot of people who think his job is writ riding on and what comes of it. >> i think that's the big question. i was thinking about this as we -- as i listened to this, what is amazing about this situation we're in is the economic outcome of not doing this is actually very predictable as you led into this, which is a horrible downturn in our economy and drastic effect on many citizens

of our country. but the political outcome is not as predictable. we have some history when these kind of things happen. and it is not necessarily is it going to be bad for mccarthy and the republicans, bad for joe biden? i remember full well when the government shut down in '95, bill clinton's job approval had not averaged for two years in above the 40s. and the aftermath of the shutdown, his job approval didn't dip into the 40s. so he actually out of that shutdown unfortunately for our -- for the country, he actually benefited politically. there is no telling what happens into mccarthy's caucus in the course of this, and what happens in -- to the future of biden politically. that's the mystery of this. >> so if there is probably on both sides, peter, an understanding, in spite of what they say as in this is not an negotiation, we're having a conversation today, but there is an understanding that the stakes are so high behind the scenes,

what are you hearing, what is the strategy to try to get to a deal, is it a situation where, well, let's just keep going until we can't go anymore and when we're on the precipice, we don't jump. >> it looks like a high stakes game of chicken at this point. the president is signaling that he is open to having discussions, conversations, whatever word you want to use, about fiscal matters that kevin mccarthy wants to talk about, how to rein in the deficit and begin attacking the problem with the debt. he's not willing to do it if the scene as being directly linked to the debt ceiling. so is there some way you can finesse that, some way that you can say you're having conversations about that without saying you're giving into what president and the white house calls hostage taking of the debt ceiling. can you get to the same place. even if you get to the same place, they're so far apart that the idea of a deal between the two, how to change the nation's fiscal house is really hard to see. the president is saying it

should been to through increases in taxes on the wealthy, republicans are saying it needs to be on fiscal restraint, spending restraint, far apart, even if they were to get to the point where they would agree that they're having a negotiation. >> the other question here, matthew, is where the pressure is coming from. from the far right, the same people who made speaker mccarthy wait a very long time before he was actually got the votes to be named speaker or is it as "the washington post" pulitzer prize winner steven perlesteen put it, he says the real players are not even in the room today, quote, any such compromise is unlikely to be hashed out by speaker kevin mccarthy and president biden, rather the negotiations will be driven by the moderate republicans willing to vote for it and for them the best negotiating partner is not the democratic president running for re-election, but the moderates from the other party, with whom they have crafted bipartisan deals in the past. could that be the way out, matthew? >> well, i mean, you would hope

that it would be a way out, as rational people on both sides, which the leadership would come together and solve the problem. i have of yet -- we keep talking about moderate republicans, and i have yet to see the moderate republicans make a stand against speaker mccarthy and the marjorie taylor greens yet. and so if they do exist, which we -- some of us assume exist, but we haven't seen them in action yet, they have to make a statement or they have to do something to make a break with speaker mccarthy and the others there. and the situation politically is this is dangerous, this is a dangerous situation, broadly, more importantly for the economy, but dangerous situation for both political sides of this equation, because if the american public looks at this and says you guys can't even keep your house in order at all in this, my feeling is they're going to take it out on both sides. >> yeah. nbc's garrett haake and peter baker, thank you. matthew, we'll see you again in

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that the federal government is not doing enough. and so they're looking for their own solutions to take on the crisis. here is texas republican governor greg abbott. >> we're deploying today a new texas tactical border force made up of elite national guard, who are specifically trained for one thing and that is to identify areas where illegal immigrants are trying to cross the border and to fill that gap and to repel them. >> hundreds of those troops will be deploy to the rio grande valley today. in arizona, democratic governor katie hobbs is also frustrated with the biden administration, saying, quote, we cannot manage this influx alone. i want to bring in nbc's guad venegas from tijuana, mexico. the u.s. border patrol chief says more than 26,000 migrants have been arrested just in the

last 72 hours. what are you seeing where you are? >> reporter: chris, well, tijuana and san diego have experienced migrant surges for years now. five years ago a large caravan that came here and so they had time to build shelters, they had time to create an infrastructure, a lot of these are created by humanitarian organizations and the american side, there is also a lot of shelter. the infrastructure that exists between san diego and tijuana is much more prepared to receive a lot of these migrants. i am at port of entry here in tijuana, and you can see behind me, groups of migrants, these are -- i would say are the lucky migrants. they're the ones that have been able to get in an appointment to request asylum at the port of entry using the cd-1 application that u.s. government created. secretary mayorkas is saying they should go through the app. as i have conversations with individuals, they tell me they tried using the app, but the app doesn't work for them. some said i tried it for 22 days

until i was able to finally use it. this young man from venezuela has been trying it. [ speaking in non-english ] two months he's been trying to use the app, he says it freezes. his friend finally was able to get an appointment and he's going to go line up. down here this is the line of the individuals that have an app, that, you know, after weeks they were able to do the process and then they're going to turn themselves in over mexican immigration will hand them over to u.s. authorities at the end and they will then formally request asylum. what we have seen about a mile away from here is a cap of 300 to 400 migrants that have chosen to enter the united states illegally and camp out, to turn themselves into border patrol? why, that's the only way they say they can request asylum because the application isn't working. that's something we have seen in texas where we have seen thousands arrive. larger numbers that we have seen. so different situations along

the border. i've spoken to a lot of the groups here that helped the migrants that told me they have seen an increase of the migrants at the shelters here in tijuana. but not what we have seen in texas. again, it might have something to do with the city being much more prepared. you can see some of the mexican immigration agents that are processing some of the migrants that will then be turned over to u.s. immigration. these are the asylum seekers going through the process. it is a small number. that's one thing that is interesting. it is a small number here, able to do that process versus what we have seen outside of the ports of entry, where camps are being created, with people that are desperate that say, you know, this hasn't worked for me, so i'm going that route. and, of course, it is different when you look at what is happening in california, versus arizona, and, of course, texas. but this is what is happening here at the tijuana san diego border. >> guad, thank you for that update. congressman, how did we let it get to this? >> because we don't have a fair

and fast and accurate system for people to apply for asylum in the united states. i think you just saw it. an app that does not work. it seems as though the biden administration is taking title 42, this law from 1944, supposed to be to control tuberculosis, not an immigration law, that was used by the trump administration, under the heading of steven miller and almost like they're trying to do the same thing. and it really is to me frustrating as a democrat because i joined the democratic party in 1983. and i've seen us improve on lgbtq rights and transgender rights and income inequality and structural racism and tearing that apart. i've seen this work on abortion

rights. why can't we work and fight for immigrants in this case, for those who are coming, seeking asylum, to the united states because they fear for their lives. that is the law and our historical responsibility as a nation based on tradition of welcoming immigrants and democrats just seem not to get it right. but we're doing fabulously in so many other areas, but not on immigration. >> why is that, do you think? in the last ten years we really have only seen democrats and republicans move further and further apart on immigration reform. what is it in the conversation, structurally, what is inherent in this problem that it has become impossible to move forward? well, first of all, let's recognize that ten years ago we were together on this program ten years ago, we were talking about the passing of immigration

bill in the senate. with 68 votes, 14 republicans, comprehensive immigration reform and it goes to the house and paul ryan becomes the speaker and he has to promise that he will never entertain any legislation on immigration. then it is part of the brokenness of our immigration system. the republicans have a lot to do with this. and not wanting to sit at the table. at the other side, we must use our courage as democrats when we controlled the executive branch of government to say we are going to make sure that our asylum system and to use the resources we do have, if poland can take in 2 million ukrainians, 2 million ukrainians, certainly the united states of america, the richest,

wealthiest in the nation, can take in asylum seekers at our border. we must understand the biden administration has to help chicago and new york and los angeles and san francisco, send them resources and work with nongovernmental organizations to help structure living spaces for these immigrants so they can become part of the fabric of our society as they wait for their immigration cases, their asylum cases to be heard. in new york it is ten years before you get to see a judge when you apply for asylum. it is broken. we need one. we need an asylum system that is fast, that is fair. fair to the immigrants and accurate because their lives are at stake. that's what we're talking about. let's begin both here on msnbc and throughout our nation to

hear the stories and the plight of these immigrants. and you hear them, i am talking about a mother who decides that they are going to take this terrible migration to the united states of america, from el salvador. if not, her daughter will be placed in a terrible situation. and what we need to understand, when people's lives are in jeopardy, we have immigration laws that allow that those who are seeking safety to come here and apply for asylum. biden continued and got it right when he said venezuela, cubans, nicaraguans, haitians can come. but let's stop old war politics. it is not only marxism regimes where people are fleeing to the united states of america. they're fleeing from elf salvador, guatemala, honduras,

other countries in which their human and civil rights are not protected by the government. i know i didn't express it as clearly as i could, but think about it, it is your daughter and she's going to be put into bondage. what do you to? you plea and you plea to the united states of america and hope there is an open door there to give you the protection that you need. >> louis gutierrez, thank you for coming on the program. vladimir putin today using his first public appearance since the explosive allegations of a u.s.-led drone attack on the kremlin to preach more propaganda, overseeing the annual victory day celebrations in moscow. ch but the parade was smaller than usual. the military in russia significantly thinned from the deaths and deployments of the ongoing invasion of ukraine, claiming that a real war has once again been waged against our homeland.

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right now we're on verdict watch here in new york city, with e. jean carroll's sexual assault case against former president donald trump now in the hands of a manhattan jury. as the former president's legal troubles mount, there is a major new development in the hush money case, in criminal court. trump was just blocked from posting evidence to social media about it. nbc's ron allen is on the ground in new york city. i'm also joined by glen kirschner, legal analyst and columnist. good to have both of you. how long have jurors been deliberating and what are we hearing, readbacks, what's going on? >> we're hearing nothing. it is an hour and 35 minutes and, yes, we're all wondering what is happening. to some extent this is a simple case. either you believe e. jean

carroll or you don't. she was her own best witness. she stood -- she was on the witness stand for several days. couple of those days under very aggressive cross examination, telling a very detailed at times graphic story about being raped at a department store, bergdorf goodman's, here in the spring of 1996. on the other hand, former president trump's attorneys basically said he doesn't know her, this never happened, it is all a fiction. they're maintaining it was all a story made up to sell a book, to make money, to gain fame and status and because they insisted it was politically motivated. pointing out, for example, this allegation didn't come out until the time president trump was in office, let alone while arguing that it had happened in $1995. there were witness on carroll's side who supported her story, who she says and they said they talked about this when it happened back in the mid1990s. she was never able to put a

specific date or time or month or -- on it, even a year. and the trump side said things like, this is all so unbelievable, inconceivable, how could this happen in a midtown manhattan department store, donald trump involved, nobody noticing, nobody seeing it, no witnesses coming forward. do you believe donald trump or do you believe e. jean carroll and her other witness? >> and, thank you, ron, for that. you'll get back to fuss there is any movement inside that courthouse. but there is a little bit of drama, glen, before they went into deliberations. there was a side bar with the judge about trump posting on truth social today and its potential impact. i want to read to you a little part of what he wrote on truth social. he says, despite being a current political candidate and leading all others in both parties, i'm not allowed to speak or defend myself. and obviously there was -- there was some concerns raised about that, the judge said he wouldn't give additional instructions for

now. what do you make of it, though? could it be a problem if jury deliberations go beyond today? of course it isn't true. he was asked if he wanted to testify and he said no in this case. >> yeah, chris, donald trump is completely untethered to the truth because we all know that after his attorney, joe tacopina, announced he would not be testifying, donald trump started posting about potentially wanting to testify. what did judge kaplan do? he extended the time. he said come on back from your golf trip, from scotland and ireland and you can still testify in your own case. donald trump then spoke to the media over in ireland, i believe it was and said i'm going back early because i'm going to testify. then, of course, he didn't. so, you know, this is really false information. it looks like he's posting it so he's hoping maybe it will seep into jury deliberations. it shouldn't because the judge instructs the juries that they are supposed to decide the case

based only on the evidence they hear during the course of the trial and supposed to tune everything else out. i don't think it will have an impact. now we're on verdict watch, which is a fool's errand to predict how long a jury will be out. a loose rule of thumb is one day of deliberations for each week of trial. so, perhaps we could seeing some in the coming days. >> all right, let's talk about something else, another case, the fact that trump has been banned from posting evidence on social media in the hush money case, a criminal case. what would make a judge come to that conclusion, decide that it was necessary and is that rare? >> it is. it is not usual. i have asked courts to impose protective orders. most frequently when i was prosecuting violent criminals, violent crime organizations and rico cases. when we demonstrate to the judge's satisfaction there would

be a danger to witnesses and the integrity of the prosecution if a defendant were allowed to see certain information once we give that information over to the defense attorneys in discovery. sometimes judges would put these kind of protective orders in place. and it is interesting because the judge, you can break his order down into three categories. he said there is some information that donald trump can look at, but he may not disseminate it, he may not disclose it and may not post about it. there is a second set of information that they label limited dissemination materials. donald trump may look at it, but only with his attorneys present. so in other words, he will have to be baby sat and then there is a third batch of information and that is stuff that was extracted from witnesses' cell phones when they were forensically searched and most of that the court said donald trump cannot even look at it without prior approval of the

court. so he is now a member of what i would call an ig noble club who has a protective order slapped on him by a judge. >> verdict watch continues. glen kirschner, great to have you on the program. thank you. appreciate it. days after a mass shooting at a texas shopping mall, a major surprise, state lawmakers moving closer to passing new gun control legislation. what finally pushed them to do it and can they get the bill over the finish line? we have that next. over the finish line we have that next. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business.

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only two days after a gunman killed eight people at a texas shopping mall, a state legislative committee has made a move so surprising, many thought it would never happen. making the move on guns. following an emotional speech by republican state lawmaker, a bill raising the age to buy semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21 passed a committee vote. here's what it sounded like in the chamber, the moment that bill advanced. [ applause ] >> the bill is now cleared a thursday deadline to get a vote in the full house. what needs to happen between now and then to defy the odds and get it passed?

let me talk to senior msnbc political analyst matthew dowd. nobody expected the bill to get this far for a committee. do you see any way this could pass the house? >> i think this is a good first step for texas that they not only didn't make it easier to get guns, it got through a committee, which is highly unusual as you line up. the odds of it passing and becoming law are almost zero. it has to clear a thing called the calendars committee, which it may not this week. it may not clear that. it has to clear the house and the senate and be signed by the governor and there is less than three weeks left in the texas legislative session. we meet every two years for 140

days, there is 20 days left. while a very positive sign that it cleared committee, the chances of it becoming law are slim to none. >> let's talk about how it got this far. they have been showing up at the capitol, many of them relatives of victims. i want to play something that the mother of one of the uvalde victims said. >> every day i would sit with my daughter and tell her, am i doing the right thing, this was her telling me we're doing the right thing. >> we don't want another uvalde. we don't want another allen to happen. should have never happened. why hasn't it been stopped? i don't know why. but we're going to continue fighting. >> look, these folks have gotten very sophisticated very fast unfortunately they had to. they know this isn't likely to become law. but like you, they see the vote is progress. do you think they are what moved the needle here and can they continue to push the needle?

>> i think two things. one, as you know, change in anything in our lives or in the country as a whole almost always is in small steps and whether it happens this week or next week or next year, small steps eventually accomplish great change. and that's what i think is one of the positives out of the committee vote. i think it definitely this to do with the activism of these folks, not just letting a tragedy pass, like uvalde, but press the foot to the medal and really sort of push legislators to do something on this. the other thing i think had a significant effect on this and i think on the chairman of this is the fact that in texas, since uvalde, since uvalde, which wasn't that long ago, eight mass shootings in texas, since uvalde. not in the country, not in the last five years, since uvalde. i think that -- the weight of that and the emotion and passion exerted by the people that want something done in this, which is incredibly important don't just

get angry, get active, in this move the chairman of the committee, who as of a week ago said he would not put it up for a vote, he changed in the last 48 hours. >> there you go. so, matthew dowd, we appreciate it. appreciate you sticking around. there has been another wrong place at the wrong time shooting. in this case, it happened in a rural town on the texas/louisiana border. authorities have now charged this 58-year-old man with shooting a 14-year-old girl in the back of the head while she was playing hide and seek with her friends and went on to his property in starksville, indiana. the man said he got his gun after seeing shadows outside his home and shot at people when he saw them running away from his house. he's been charged with aggravated battery, four counts of aggravated assault with a firearm and illegal discharge of a firearm. that teenage girl was taken to the hospital.

fortunately she is expected to recover. still to come, senate democrats depanning republican megadonor harold crow provide a list of gifts he gave to clarence thomas. and she said she would do it, now liz cheney is launching her first ad of the 2024 election cycle. but, she isn't running for something, this is about what she's against. >> donald trump is the only president in american history who has refused to guarantee the peaceful transfer of power. he lost the election and he knew it. he betrayed millions of americans by telling them the election was stolen. >> we'll have more from that ad and dive into what it means ahead for 2024 in our next hour of "chris jansing reports." our of "chs rijansing reports. ethnicity inheritance. nigerian east central from you. benin. my dad's side. 30% japanese.

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about the things that they do know, the things that have been reported on publicly, in the instance of harlan crow and justice thomas. but, it is hard to ask for the things that you don't know exist. and that's partly why we're watching this senate judiciary committee or democrats from that committee move forward in trying to make the court be more transparent in things of this nature. so what they're asking for from harlan crow in this instance is everything from an itemized list of all transportation and lodging to real estate transactions to the more obvious, gifts and donations. all of those sort of run afoul of the ethics that this committee thinks the supreme court should uphold, but doesn't actually have to according to the rules that are on the books right now. on the books now. that's why the supreme court is saying they're asking for this as part of their efforts to help the court monitor itself. there are republicans on the same committee that say this is not the senate's job and that these are two separate branches of government. never the less, we are watching

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what are the nurses you're talking to saying about what they think can be done about it and is anything being done about it? >> yeah, so it's true that at least according to a recent survey compared to gen xers, these are least likely to recommend a nursing career to their peers and friends. nurses say stories like this are really what's needed now, finally, to address and call attention to disparities they've been facing for decades. it's those youngest nurses who are energized and ready to fight for changes in hospital systems that could make for better environments for nurses nationwide. >> i'm curious, too, because one of the things we heard about in covid when people were dropping out was that hospital, other facilities, were having to raise salaries, but i wonder if they'd

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