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the jury finding trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation and awarding carroll $5 million. >> what would you want to say to him? >> i said it to joe tacopina yesterday. he came over to congratulate me. he put out his hand. i said, he did it and you know it. this hour, disgraced republican congressman george santos now in custody at a long island courthouse facing federal charges, including wire fraud and money laundering and renewed calls to resign from members of his own party. white house and congressional staff negotiators working around the clock ahead of friday's next white house debt ceiling meeting after tuesday's first session ended with angry accusations from both sides. >> i think he knows that default would be disastrous. and i think he knows it couldn't pass in congress. it's dead on arrival.

>> i didn't find progress in this meeting. we will get back together on friday and hopefully the president then can change the path of the last 97 days. good day. i'm andrea mitch until washington. the fallout of tuesday's jury verdict against former president donald trump is reverberating across the country. a federal jury finding the republican presidential frontrunner liable for sexual abuse and defamation. he has been ordered to pay e. jean carroll $5 million in damages. the verdict also a major milestone in the me too movement, the significance of which was not lost on carroll during her interview today with savannah guthrie. >> of all the cases that this man faces, all the legal quagmires, the prosecutors, special council, all the investigators, and what happened yesterday is one 5'2" female

attorney and one 79-year-old advice columnist beat donald trump in court. >> the jury returned its unanimous decision in under three hours. they did not find trump liable of rape. he reacted quickly on truth social. >> i don't even know who this woman is. i have no idea who she is, where she came from. this is another scam. it's a political witch hunt. somehow we're going to have to fight this. we cannot let our country go into this abyss. this is disgraceful. >> trump's legal team insisting an appeal is coming. joining us to talk about that, laura jarrett, attorney and

columnist kimberied akins score, philippe rucker and susan delpersio. the significance of this cannot be understated. jurors heard the damning trump deposition tape. did trump deciding not to testify make all the difference? or was it settled with the deposition and the way he handled that? >> you have to think the deposition tape really mattered in this case. as you said, it's not just the deposition tape. it's the fact that he didn't show up. the jurors are only left with what he said on that tape without him having an opportunity to sort of explain himself any further. he was given that opportunity on more than one occasion. the judge as late as sunday said you can have another opportunity if you want to come. he decided not to. instead, they see him confusing e. jean carroll for his ex-wife

despite he had sworn e. jean carroll wasn't his type. turns out she was. that's the argument you hear her attorneys making persuasively. then you hear him saying, about what he said on the "access hollywood" tape, responding to the idea it was his ability to grab women because he was a star. he said it was fortunate. that's something that her attorneys were able to hammer home in closing arguments because he wasn't there. >> kim, the broader impact for sexual assault and rape survivors, as carroll pointed out on "morning joe." >> the perfect victim always screams, she always goes to the police, she always writes the date this her diary, she folds up and is a sad person. we smashed that concept. i was born in the silent generation. we put our chins up and we went

right ahead with a smile on our face. i have since learned we cannot stay silent. the more women who speak up, the more women will speak up. the more women who speak up, we can change this entire culture of sexual violence. we can start to put an end to it. >> kim, your thoughts? >> yeah, i mean, i think what we see in this case is a clear example of the impact of me too movement where you saw strength in numbers. keep in mind that carroll's key witnesses were other women who said they were assaulted by donald trump. this case was brought due to new york changing its law to allow victims of sexual assault as adults a one shot option and a one year time to bring a civil suit, even when the cases would otherwise be timered, because we learned from the me too movement that women are bullied or

threatened or coerced into silence, especially standing up against people who wield power. i think this was a key example of how that power dynamic can shift and justice can be sought. >> phil, you spent so much time interviewing donald trump, covering donald trump. in the videos he posted after the verdict, he is expressing outrage. he doesn't know who she was. back on truth social. he has believed he is invincible. how does this jury verdict affect him, personally and politically? >> andrew ya, what's so important is it it's not just e. jean carroll. more than a dozen women have accused trump of sexual assault or harassment. we remember the "access hollywood" video in 2016 where he was on a hot microphone speaking openly about assaulting women. there's a lot of context here. yet, this is the first time that

trump has been really held accountable in the legal system, the judicial system. he has found guilty of having sexually abused her and of defamation. it's a civil case, of course. but he is going to have to pay $5 million. his representatives say he will appeal. he calls it a disgrace. yet the ugly truth for him is that the accountability is here after many, many years. >> susan, the verdict carries no criminal implications. it carries a lot of political ones. listen to the reaction from some inside the party that dasha burns and our hill team received in the last hours since the verdict came down yesterday. >> i would tell you in my 4 1/2 years serving alongside the president, i never heard or witnessed behavior of that nature. >> he just is not suited to be

president of the united states and to be the person we hold up to our children and the world as a leader of the free world. >> do americans believe the allegations are true? probably most of them do, just like the jury did. some will excuse it. i don't believe it's excusable and defensible. >> let me add one thing to this. this happened on fox news radio today. this is chris christie. he said, his response was ridiculous. he didn't know the woman. that's what he just posted overnight. how many coincidences are we going to have. he must be the unlickiest sob in the world. he has ron dom people who are able to convince a jury. it's one person after another, one woman after another. the stories continue to pile up. i think we all know he is not unlucky and he has engaged in this conduct. didn't he confess on the "access

hollywood" tape? that was a brilliant interrogation by the attorney for e. jean carroll to the deposition. do you think you are a star? right? >> it was amazing. he admitted to a whole host of things, including basically saying that he thought that e. jean carroll was his ex-wife, marla maples. what i look at the political fallout from this, i can't think that -- i'm happy you showed the clips you did of some republicans stepping up. right now, mitch mcconnell's head must be spinning. because like in 2022, you are going to have these primary fights for seats that he probably -- that should probably flip republican, but they are going to be people who double down on donald trump. they will support a person who has been found guilty of sexual abuse. that is going to be a huge

headache for a lot of republican leaders and in states that are going to be tossups in 2024 on who they put on the ballot in a general election. >> laura, what comes next for donald trump on the legal front with cases coming up next? >> his attorney was very bullish this morning with savannah saying, i will get this money on behalf of my client. the reality is, we know this is going to be caught up in an appeal after another. this isn't first time she brought this suit. she tried this when he was president. that case was caught up in appeals for years. i think you can expect to see a lot of legal wrangling here. it's unclear how it will ultimately be resolved. i should point out here, the judge really gave him every opportunity to come, make his case, have his day in court, even though this is a civil case. he did give him all those opportunities. appeal could be hard here. >> laura, kimberly, phil, susan,

thank you all so much. under arrest. congressman george santos in federal custody. the charges he is facing and what it could mean for congress next. "andrea mitchell reports" will be right back in 60 seconds. don't go anywhere. 60 seconds. don't go anywhere. nice prices so you can have nice things. hah! kelly clarkson, we have a kid... and harold. wayfair's got just what you need... performance fabrics, stains don't stand a chance. no chance! -woo! dog friendly and wallet friendly... pug-proved. get nice things with nice prices at wayfair. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪

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dilanian here with me, ken, you read through this indictment. talk to me about the details of the charges and what might be added on. >> there are three separate buckets of charges here. one relates to allegations that he defrauded campaign finance system, misappropriated campaign funds for personal use, he solicited large donations that exceeded the legal limits. then out of left field, that he defrauded the unemployment system. he accepted benefits from the covid relief program in new york that he was not entitled to, $25,000. lastly, charged with lying on his house financial disclosure form. interestingly, he is charged with overstating his income, declaring $700,000 in income that he did not receive. that raises questions about where that money came from and what isn't in this indictment. >> that's money that showed up in his campaign. >> that's right.

he loaned his campaign a large sum of money. >> he had no such income anyone could figure out. >> exactly. this raises the question of, where did that money come from? what else might the federal government allege? >> paul, what do you think of the case based on your experience? you read the indictment. how strong is the government's case? how much legal jeopardy is he in? you saw earlier, the speaker of the house is not backing off, not short of an -- he has to be convicted for the speaker to decide he should be kicked out of congress. >> it's a very interesting indictment because the prosecutors have chosen to use what's known as a speaking indictment. they share a narrative with the public that talks about all of the events they believe reflect criminal wrongdoing on behalf of mr. santos. you could almost hear the closing argument, which is to say, if they go to trial, we are charging a liar with felony

lies. those are serious enough charges. they may carry in the event of a conviction some period of time of incarceration. the real hammer blow for the prosecutors, the real tool to extract a plea from representative santos is the money laundering charge. those charges are used in drug cases, other large fraud cases. they are being used here because the likelihood of some period of time of incarceration is greatly increased every time you charge money laundering. in fact, just going back a year, the average amount of time that people would spend in prison for money laundering was about five years. no way to say that's the thing that would occur here, but it's a demonstration of how serious this charge is and the risk of incarceration here in the event of a conviction is very real. >> rehema, reexpect the arrangement in an hour. representatives say that he may speak after his appearance. our colleagues have been chasing him up and down the hill.

he doesn't talk very often and answer questions. what do you expect in the courthouse today? >> reporter: we are expecting, as you point out, after this hearing is over that we hope that he will come out. there are lots of questions we want to ask him. it has been interesting this morning. as you point out, we see a lot of him coming and going in the halls of congress. we have not seen him here. he went into the federal courthouse in new york. we believe through an underground garage where reporters were not allowed. we didn't see him. he did not present himself to cameras this morning. he has been inside all morning. we have not been able to -- we don't have cameras or electronics inside because it's a federal courthouse. we don't know what's going on for the processing of him. we suspect he will -- once he goes in the courtroom, he will plead not guilty to these charges. the hope is that he will come out and speak to us and talk about it when the hearing is over. >> garrett, what are you hearing from his fellow republican

lawmakers and especially all eyes on the speaker today? >> reporter: santos has been largely roasted on capitol hill by democrats and republicans alike. in fact, it is his fellow republicans from new york who have had some of the harshest criticism of him, calling him a liar, loser, just an embare rantment to the republican party and republicans in new york specifically. those defending george santos outrank those criticizing him. we heard from speaker mccarthy this morning reiterating he would not call for santos to resign. here is what he told reporters today. >> you have your day in court and go through it, just like when another member inside the house, santos was never put on committee. he won't serve on committee. go through his time of trial. we will find out how the outcome is. >> reporter: what you normally see with an indictment -- it's interesting side note that we

have a normal for prosued you are for this. members are stripped of committee assignments while they go through the legal process. santos was not on committees. that will remain the case here. the fact that the speaker and other top republicans in the house have stood by him could be simply a question of math. they can afford to lose no votes on basically anything. santos was critical for mccarthy to become speaker. and santos made a point of being the last republican to cast his ballot on the debt limit vote when that happened last week. a reminder to kevin mccarthy and to republicans who count votes that they need him. >> yeah. that is the bottom line, isn't it? paul, his desire to stay in congress is balanced -- would not be possible if he ends up pleading guilty. that is outweighed by the incentives legally for him to cop a plea here, depending on what kind of case they have against him. >> it would be tactically smart,

andrea, for his lawyers to be telling him right now, hang on, hang on by your finger nails, do not leave your position in the house of representatives. because we, your lawyers, are going to hope to use your sitting in that seat as a negotiating tool. you can say if you are the defense attorneys to the prosecutors, we will consider leaving, we will consider stepping down if you give us a better offer. i suspect representative santos isn't going to leave voluntarily until his lawyers are able to extract some kind of an exchange from the prosecutors. prosecutors would be wise not to pay attention to that kind of negotiating tool. >> you could call it the art of the deal, as someone once said. thank you very much rehema, ken, garrett and paul. the l word. an angry exchange between the speaker and the president at their first meeting about the debt ceiling. is this any way to resolve a crisis? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. e tca mitchell reports" on msnbc

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president biden and speaker mccarthy exchanging angry words at their first meeting over the debt ceiling described by some as tense and serious. the two sides far apart with the speaker fuming described and he accused the president of lying. >> i know the speaker says, i'm not -- he uses the l word, but

says i'm not telling the truth. all i asked him was if you are not going to cut any of those programs and you are saying the cut is 22% across the board, then you are going to have to cut more. >> on the veterans thing, you said over here it was a lie. did you use that word in the room with the president? >> yes. >> did you call him a liar? >> i didn't call him a liar. i said if you are saying we're cutting, that's a lie. i wouldn't call the president a liar. >> joining me now, kristin welker and former top economic advisor to president obama, jason fuhrman, now a professor at the harvard kennedy school. certainly not sugarcoating it. this was not one of those meetings where they come out saying it was great. they are going to meet again friday. this was not a good start. the president afterwards seemed to hold open the possibility --

he didn't shut it down -- of not going to the g7 in asia next week. is that even possible according to your reporting? >> reporter: it was an extraordinary statement by president biden. the fact that he put that on the table. administration officials are trying to determine how realistic that would be to cancel this last minute. he did stress that would be a last minute resort. you are right, what was so striking is that the two sides seemed just as dug in as when this meeting started. you saw the fireworks back and forth with speaker mccarthy accusing the president of lying about veterans' benefits, with the president accusing speaker mccarthy of essentially being out of line in that meeting. some democratic sources saying he was rude. the question becomes, where do the talk goes from here? the press secretary traveling on air force one told reporters that staffers will be meeting every day and that they have been meeting throughout this week to try to come to some type

of resolution. what does that look like? we know there are some areas of potential common ground emerging. the bottom line is, time is running out. there's less than a month. the president also didn't take the possibility off the table of invoking the 14th amendment, which would allow him to address this unilaterally. that could prompt a real crisis as well. all eyes on the friday meeting. the fact that they are meeting, potential progress. >> jason, you have been through this before when president obama and the republicans were clashing over the debt kreeling in 2011. they will meet again friday. you have got the republicans presenting budget cuts, including cancelling three of his special programs, the fact that he would cancel the ira, which he fought so hard for and other programs, is untenable. that's an offer he has to refuse. he is going towards marine one at jfk with senator gillibrand.

>> do the republicans mean what they're saying right now? in 2011, they hated the affordable care act. i don't even ever remember them asking for that to be repealed as part of the debt limit negotiation. they just knew it wasn't going to happen. do they think the inflation reduction act, the president's signature climate bill, is going to be repealed? maybe they know that that's a demand that they will drop. in which case, maybe this could happen a solution at the end. two things need to happen. the debt limit needs to be raised, and there needs to be a number for next year. if they can do those things, there's a solution here. you try to do -- repeal the climate bill, of course, there isn't a solution. >> jason when they say they are

not cutting. they are setting it at 2022 levels. that's a cut because it doesn't count for inflation. you can't cut from entitlements, which they said they won't do. you can't cut from defense. they are increasing defense because of ukraine. >> yeah. that's absolutely right. which is that it costs more to do the same amount you were doing two years ago. you are also getting more tax revenue because of it. that inflation feeds into your revenue base. that's why economists look at things scaled by inflation or scaled by gdp or something like that. in real terms the republican bill would be a pretty deep cut. will there need to be something less than the president wants on discreme ari? absolutely. i assume he understands that as well. that's the normal give and take. not the very abnormal holding the global economy hostage for a set of very extreme demands that

may be going on here. >> so far, both sides have ruled out doing the short-term deal, or at least of republicans have ruled out short-term extension or any of the ways to finesse this, kristin, by saying, we will do budget cuts in september, but we will agree to a cap right now, something like that. >> reporter: this is interesting, because you have both the white house and lawmakers on capitol hill saying they want a long-term extension. that's the preference. in talking to sources close to these negotiations, sources close to the president, they say, they are not taking off the table. it may be more realistic to get a short-term deal and then to deal with budget appropriations in the fall and lift the debt limit. but there's no doubt that a short-term extension kicks the can down the road, adds to the economic uncertainty and, of course, this is coming against the backdrop of the president's

re-election campaign. it's not overstated to say that his re-election prospects will undoubtedly in part be linked to the economy. there's a lot riding on all of this. speaker mccarthy's job, in large part, depends on being able to resolve this. jason knows this better than anyone. in 2011, there were serious economic consequences even they they struck a deal. just the process that was perceived to be so complicated was a blow to the economy. >> jason, just briefly, the gdp numbers -- cpi, rather, came out today, on inflation. it was 4.9% year over year. the tenth straight month cooling. do you think there's a point where the fed would change their 2% target range and settle for a number that -- not 4.9 but something closer to that? >> the data you are showing is

the overall inflation rate. that's what matters for families. it includes things like food and gas, that are really important to people. you strip those out, look at the underlying core measure of inflation, there's been less progress there. that says there's more stubbornness to the underlying part of inflation. i think it's going to continue to be a challenge for the fed. they might declare victory at 3%. >> jason, thank you so much. kristin welker, thanks for your reporting. the crisis point. tens of thousands of migrants trying to make it across the southern border on the eve of a major change in u.s. immigration policy. congressman castro of texas joining me next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. e watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend

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confusion and chaos at the southern border. long lines of migrant gather ahead of tomorrow's lifting of title 42. the policy used to block asylum seekers from crossing into the u.s. more than 11,000 migrants were caught crossing the border just on tuesday. president biden acknowledging the crisis saying tuesday, quote, it's going to be chaotic for a while. tom yamas has a report. >> reporter: across the border, crowds hoping to get into the u.s. before friday. that's where we met this family. caked in dust. their small children tired and

thirsty. is this better than what you left? the father tells me, yes, that venezuela is tough right now. we give the family some water and snacks, whatever we have on us. you still wait here? he tells me they will wait until god says. that this sacrifice is for their children's future. >> joining me now is democratic congressman castro from texas. it's heartbreaking. we just saw that family that tom interviewed from venezuela say they will wait to get processed as long as it takes. it will take longer to determine who can stay, who can go. is the biden administration prepared to deal with this backlog? >> i think that they are taking every step they can to prepare. this humanitarian crisis has been made worse by the fact that title 42 stayed in place so long. you have a backlog of people who have been in mexico and who have

been suggestsubjected to the vi of car tells and become the victims of crime because they have not been allowed to be in the united states while they wait to have their asylum claims heard in court. there will be, of course, more folks, after may 11th. the biden administration is working hard to handle it in a sane and efficient way. the administration is getting no help from the republican house of representatives who often -- the leaders like to demagogue about immigration and demonize immigrants and an invasion and aliens and so forth, but put no reasonable plan forward to deal with any of this. in fact, last year, when many of us voted for billions of dollars to address asylum and also border security, 96% of republicans right here in this congress in the house voted no. they voted against it. >> nbc's reporting that the biden administration is going to

instruct customs and border protection to release migrants without court dates and they wouldn't have any ability to keep tabs on them as they move around the country. is that a solution? >> i had not seen those reports. we know that the overwhelming majority of folks who receive a court date to return for their assume lum claims show up in court, despite what really hard right and conservatives say. like i said, i think most americans, they want to be humane. they want to be compassionate to people fleeing dangerous situations. but they also want an efficient and effective system of processing people. i think that whether we are republican or democrat, that's what we should be working toward. >> in long island, your colleague -- well, republican colleague, george santos, has been charged in a 13-count indictment, including fraud and money laundering. he is going to have his hearing

at about 1:30 eastern. should he resign? the speaker is standing by him. >> george santos should resign. i think the country followed what has been a very bizarre case of a man who made up what seems like 90% of his biography to fake his way into congress. along the way, it looks like he committed crimes. there's no place in congress for george santos. he should leave. >> i also, of course, want to ask you about the shooting, the horrific shooting in texas, another mass shooting at that mall in allen, texas, near dallas. the president is calling on congress to pass at salt weapons ban. he knows he doesn't have the votes. governor abbott says the long-term solution is mental health. what do you as a member of congress do? >> first, when you talk about greg abbott, you have to understand, greg abbott made it easier to kill and be killed in

texas. is has made texas more dangerous for all texans. people like greg abbott and others will often talk about increasing mental health and they try to pit the issue of mental health against the issue of gun reform. i think that as democrats, we don't have to let them force us to choose between those two things. we can increase funding for mental health and at the same time do something to curb assault weapons, to take these dangerous weapons off the street. i wish that greg abbott would do something, make something more for mental health. he cut mental health funding in texas over the years. at the same time, has made texas more dangerous for everybody. >> congressman castro, thank you so much. the spin sickle. donald trump's scheduled to take center stage in a national town hall tonight. how is the jury's decision declaring him a sexual abuser going to affect his campaigning

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today president biden will be in a key new york congressional district that flipped to republicans in 2022, helping cement their slim house takeover. to hammer republicans for their stand on the debt ceiling with mike lawler, the freshman republican who won the seat showing up at the president's invitation for this event. the president's first road trip since he announced for re-election two weeks ago. nbc's mike memoli joins me from valhalla, new york. so mike, this campaign strategy to focus on the debt ceiling and, frankly, not go out on the road as you pointed out on another call today spending two weeks, two weekends in d.c. rather than going out campaigning. what is going on with this

campaign, and how much will the debt ceiling and how it plays out be a factor? >> well, in terms of the debt ceiling, what you're seeing as you see president biden there just stepped off marine one in westchester county, this is one of six congressional districts in new york state that sent a republican to congress last november, but also supported president biden in the 2020 campaign. now, as we talk about the narrow margins that republicans have in the house, they have just a five-seat majority, so i'm not a math major, andrea, but as democrats want to see a path towards retaking the house in 2024, it's in districts like this one, and it's in districts like this one that president biden wants to turn up the heat on those republicans in these swing districts who might be the key towards pressuring speaker mccarthy to relent somewhat on the demands that he's been making here. and so part of the campaign strategy that relates to biden in 2024 is while the republican field and vaughn was just talking about it, settles itself and is still a year away from being resolved, biden is going

to be using congressional republicans as his primary political sparring partner, and doing all of this largely through official events. so when the president comes here at community college in westchester county, he's going to be introduced by a teacher who the president will argue his job is at risk if republican spending plan were to go through. it's that larger contrast between republicans and the president's vision, investing in america agenda he says he's put forward that is being put at risk now in this debt ceiling fight. the president's going to be spending a lot of time not necessarily campaigning but doing these official events. he's also going to be coming, of course, back to manhattan later today to raise money. i spoke with jeffrey cat zenberg, a prominent democratic donor, co-chairman of the president's re-election campaign. and he made a prediction to me in an interview yesterday that the president will raise even more for his 2024 re-election campaign than he did in 2020 when he became the first ever

candidate to surpass $1 billion. for all the questions about the president's political standing heading into 2024, there is confidence on his team that at least he'll have all the money he needs to wage a successful campaign. >> he's going to new york city as you know tonight to do some fund-raising before he comes back to d.c. mike memoli in valhalla, new york, thank you so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," remember, follow us online on facebook and on twitter @mitchelreports. "chris right now. good day, i'm chris jansing at msnbc this. congressman george santos in court just 30 minutes from now to face federal charges. now the tough task of defending himself and trying to convince a jury he's actually telling the truth. plus, president biden