for all the questions about the president's political standing heading into 2024, there is confidence on his team that at least he'll have all the money he needs to wage a successful campaign. >> he's going to new york city as you know tonight to do some fund-raising before he comes back to d.c. mike memoli in valhalla, new york, thank you so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," remember, follow us online on facebook and on twitter @mitchelreports. "chris right now. good day, i'm chris jansing at msnbc this. congressman george santos in court just 30 minutes from now to face federal charges. now the tough task of defending himself and trying to convince a jury he's actually telling the truth. plus, president biden

minutes from taking the stage in new york where he'll try to leverage the power of his bully pulpit to shove republicans off the fence in the debt ceiling fight. will that help move friday's talks any closer to a deal? and the jaw dropping admission just a day before title 42 is set to expire. in the records of one dhs official, the system is breaking, and they haven't even hit the starting line yet as thousands of migrants cross the southern border, the white house is planning to let some of them in with no court date and no way to track them. so much going on today, but we start in long island, new york, where a freshman republican congressman george santos is expected to be arraigned in court on federal charges just four months into a congressional career that was built on lies about his background and wealth, and according to the government, krm criminal schemes. today the justice department hit him with 13 counts. among them charges of wire fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds and lying to the

house of representatives. in a statement the u.s. attorney from new york's eastern district said, quote, taken together, the allegations in the indictment charged santos with relying on repeated dishonesty and deception to ascend to the halls of congress and enrich himself. it's notable that to this point, neither his legal troubles nor the string of admitted falsehoods that fill his personal and political resume have prevented santos from reveling in the spotlight on capitol hill. but as "the new york times" investigation found, citigroup and goldman sachs both on santos' campaign biography have no record of him working there. he says he graduated from baruch college, they say that's not true. his claims of jewish ancestry and his grandparents fleeing the holocaust and his mother surviving the 9/11 attack, all have proved to be fabrications. still, even after the indictment, speaker mccarthy is doubling down on the approach he

laid out on tuesday, innocent until proven guilty. >> just as we've had everybody else like chairman over on the senate side as a chairman when they were indicted, walk through like every american. you have your day in court and go through. just like when another member inside the house, santos we never put on committee, so he won't serve on committee. he'll go through his time of trial. he'll find out how the outcome is. >> nbc's rehema ellis is outside the courthouse in central islip, long island, garrett haake on capitol hill and barbara mcquade law professor at the university of michigan and an msnbc legal analyst. rehema, what do we know about what's set to happen this hour? >> reporter: well, at this hour, chris, the expectation is in about half an hour that george santos will be in this courtroom, in this federal courthouse here in islip, new york, to face these charges, if

you've been laying out this federal indictment was returned yesterday, a 13-count indictment, including several things that you pointed out, fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds, and false statements, and many people in this community have been calling for george santos to step down so that this district could be properly represented. he has declined to do that. we have not seen him yet this morning, which is a stark contrast from him being in the halls of congress where he's often seen, quickly going from one point to another. he went into this courthouse, we believe, through the underground garage and we were not allowed in there as reporters. we do hope his team has said he wants to come out once this hearing is over where he's expected to enter a not guilty plea and speak to reporters. if he speaks to some of his constituents as we did today, they said that they are not surprised by what happened and that he is in this courthouse. i asked one man what he expects

him to resign, and he said in one word, no, and in fact, as you well know, santos has already filed his intention to run for re-election. chris. >> thank you so much for that be, rehema. barbara mcquaid, there's a lot to unpack. the indictment is six pages long. there's 21 points they make, help us unpack it. >> yes, so this has a number of different allegations, some relating to campaign finance, some related to fraud for taking covid relief when he was not unemployed, using funds for personal enrichment including designer clothing and making false statements in his public filings. and so this really does capture all of the things that we have been hearing about george santos ever since he took office. i think one of the things that's important to note is the kinds of charges here are the kinds of charges that prosecutors like to prove because they rely on documents and not eyewitness testimony, not people who have

an axe to grind or a bias or can have failures of memory, but actual documents. statements in one document that don't match up with statements in other documents, and for that reason it looks to be to me a -- >> all right, we've lost barbara there. let me go to you, if i can, garrett haake. what are we hearing on the hill? what's the reaction been so far? >> some of the happiest people on the hill yesterday weren't democrats but were george santos fellow republicans who are quite sick of him, most of whom have called for him to resign for some time now. they're ready to be rid of him. they think he's an embarrassment. unfortunately for them, it sounds like santos is going to be around for at least a little while longer because republican leadership are taking the position that they are not going to throw him overboard while he's still innocent and presumed -- or excuse me, while he's still presumed innocent ahead of any trial here and because, frankly, they need his vote. house republican leaders were asked about this again today. here's some of what we heard

from steve scalise and congresswoman stefanik. >> in regard to george santos, he was already removed from all of his committees. there is a legal process, the charges just came out. we just saw some of them this morning, and so in america there's a presumption of innocence. they're serious charges. >> this legal process is going to play itself out. unfortunately this is not the first time a member of congress from either party has been indicted. there are a set of rules, and as the majority leader stated, he voluntarily had stepped down from his committees. >> and congresswoman stefanik is right there to a degree here. this is not the first member of congress to be indicted, and we do often see it play out this way, where when someone is charged, they might be stripped of their committee assignments, at least on a temporary basis as kind of a holding pattern until a case is adjudicated, and since barbara mcquade's not here, the only way this could potentially

go is you could see santos making a plea deal that would involve him stepping down from congress, you know, perhaps to avoid a greater penalty. that is also part of the congressional scandal play book that we could see happen here long before any trial would ever occur, chris. >> well, we have barbara back, so let me ask you about what garrett just had to say, which is could you see a situation where -- and again, when we lost you, you were talking about the fact that this is the kind of case that prosecutors like because they have a lot of documentation to back up these charges. could you see them trying to make that kind of a deal with george santos? >> removing someone from public office where they have the ability to do damage to corrupt our political system. now, i don't think they'll settle for that alone. i don't think you get away free with crimes just because you have a position of power and agree to surrender. i could imagine that would be a

part of any plea deal. >> how much trouble is he potentially in here? >>. >> well, these charges the highest one is wire fraud, which brings potential charges of up to 30 years. if you stack up all of the statutory maximum, it's dozens and dozens of years. sentences guidelines in white collar cases are usually far more lenient than that. i could see prison time, i could see restitution in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and i think losing his livelihood and political career, which i think would be a service to all of us if he is convicted of these charges. >> i mean, he's made at least overtures to suggest he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong. he has defended himself at every turn or at least tried to, let's say adjust the way that he tells a particular story, for example, when he talked about having jewish ancestry, barbara, he said, well, he is actually jewish. just one example. but for somebody who has already

admitted essentially and proved that there were lies about his life story, if he wanted to defend himself, how hard would that make it? >> i think it will be very difficult. you know, he did a round of damage control television interviews, which probably only made things worse, but i don't think these charges are going to rely on those oral statements. i think what they really are focusing on are things he put in documents. contributions he made claiming that they were for a pack when, in fact, he used those expenditures for personal things. statements that he made that were false on his disclosure forms to the house. those kinds of things are the lies that are really going to catch him, not those kinds of verbal misrepresentations that he has made about his past. >> rehema ellis, garrett haake, barbara mcquade, thanks to all of you. we are following multiple big legal stories today, in addition to waiting to see what happens inside that courthouse to george

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with the president. anna palmer is a cofounder of "punchbowl news" and robert gibbs is the former white house press secretary under president obama, anna and robert are msnbc contributors. the location for the president's speech, an area i know, valhalla, new york. house district 1 in 2020 that's now represented by a republican. what more can you tell us about the white house strategy for both the speech and this location? >> reporter: well, chris, there are 18 congressional districts across the country that are just like this one. they did send a republican to congress in the midterm elections last november but also supported president biden in 2020. so as dmokts and the white house begin to look further down the road of the potential political fallout of this debt ceiling fight, they're looking at precisely districts like this one. there are six just in new york alone. one of them is represented by george santos, the other that he's coming to today, the president, mike lawler, the republican, who was actually invited to this event.

what the president is trying to do here is really two things. one is to try to turn up the political heat on those individual republican lawmakers who as there is potentially some friction within the republican caucus about the path that speaker mccarthy is taking could put some counterpressure on the speaker to what the hard right maga flank as the president likes to call it is putting on the speaker right now. but the other is to look further down the road. the president's going to be introduced byhe white house says could lose her job if the spending blueprint that republicans passed just a few weeks ago as part of their debt ceiling package were to go through, and so it's an interesting bit of optics on the part of the white house as the president who hasn't left washington until now in the two weeks since he launched his own re-election campaign is coming here with a little bit of the blueprint of how he's going to be running in 2024 on display. >> you know, robert, congressman lawler, a lot of people found this interesting, isn't shying away from meeting with the president, and this is what he had to say about it this

morning. >> i welcome him, obviously, coming here to the hudson valley and so i will be there today because i'm willing to listen to what he has to say. we have to sit down and negotiate in good faith, and that's why i'm going today, and i'm going to talk to the president when i have the opportunity and just encourage him to be the joe biden of old and cut a deal. >> so my question, robert, is, do you take that as a sign that the joe biden of old could, in fact, cut a deal and move some republicans? >> well, i think the first thing you hear as mike said, a republican that represents the district that joe biden won and needing to understand how he might navigate re-election in a presidential year in 2024, i do think what you see -- >> wait a minute, robert, are you suggesting that that statement might have been in his self-interest? >> you know, that's just years of political listening that rang

in my ear just ever so slightly. but i think what you're seeing the president do today is press an advantage that you saw in "the washington post" poll over the weekend, much discussed about what it said about the president's political health, but one of the questions said, you know, should our future spending and budget decisions should be unrelated to raising the debt ceiling. that was an advantage of two to one, so that's the advantage you see the president pushing here today because i do think the way out of this is to figure out how to get a clean debt ceiling and a separate discussion, which the polling shows is the winning argument, a separate discussion on how you move an unrelated set of budget cuts presumably that don't include the, you know, showcased achievements of the biden administration, but a way of decoupling those in order to move forward. it seems to me like that's a role in a place that the white house, president biden and republicans could end up in.

>> i don't know if you had a chance to look at a brand new poll that just came out in "the wall street journal," robert. they asked whether the debt ceiling should be lifted. 45% said no. 44% said yes. so when half of the people aren't going to like your message, how do you craft a message? >> well, again, i think there's a lot of implications to not raising the debt ceiling, and i think you'll hear the president, again, unwind what those consequences are. that's what helps build pressure on congressman lawler there and others in congress who might think and look at a poll like this and say that obviously a 45, 44 split is a free vote. what we know is what will happen to the markets both here in the united states and globally, what this means for our overall economy in a world in which we see inflation improving, why would we want to take a step

back now on something so unnecessary. i think you'll hear the president describe those consequences, and then press that advantage to separate these two arguments. >> you know, we might have heard a little bit of political messaging yesterday, anna, after they all met over at the white house, punch bowl reported on just how testy the white house meeting was between biden and congressional leaders. do you see that, anna, as kind of a harbinger of what's to come, including when they meet again on friday, or is this just more of the normal posturing that naturally happens early in negotiations? >> i think it's a bit of both, probably, right? i think this definitely was the first meeting in several weeks, so certainly speaker kevin mccarthy wanted to come across as aggressive and kind of to his conference that he was going to be presenting their position as forcefully as possible. today you have staff starting to meet, the big four and the president are going to meet again on friday.

so clearly the talks are starting to speed up. i think the biggest cause of concern is democrats as robert laid out want to decouple the debt limit and spending cuts. republicans clearly don't want to do that, and so the big question is who is going to blink first, and i think so far we haven't seen the pressure of the markets start to kind of force the hand of either party to blink, and republicans, i think, in a way that we often see them kind of crumble are very united. you have mitch mcconnell in lock step with kevin mccarthy so far, and that to me is kind of the biggest two people to watch right now. do they stay firm, does the white house blink, or do you have congressional republicans blink? >> tell me a little more about what you think mitch mcconnell's role is here, anna. >> listen, he so far has said that he's going to allow the speaker to be the key negotiator. that has been his position for many months at this point. you know, knowing that whatever passes has to get out of the

house. but the question is going to remain, you know, when does that position remain tenable or does it not. so far he has not been, you know, doing any back channelling or signaling with his conference that it's time to start doing something else. they don't have the votes in the senate to pass a clean debt limit, and so the big question, i think really becomes, you know, do members start to get more agitated if the markets tank or if they get closer to this june x date. that i think is going to be the biggest thing. so far he has been very steely eyed, you know, and in lock step, as i said, with mccarthy. >> mike, the president has said he might postpone an upcoming trip, japan, australia, to continue these debt ceiling discussions. i want to ask you a little bit about his role and maybe to comment as well to go back to what congressman lawler had to say about the joe biden of old. where do you see joe biden and how deep do you see him in these conversations right now? >> well, chris, you remember this from your time on the white

house beat, the degree to which these messy domestic politics, especially spending battles in divided government could impact the president's foreign policy. the president expected to leave next week for an important foreign trip, the g-7 meeting in japan, a meeting of the so-called quad leaders in australia, and the president wants to be hands on in these negotiations. that's always been his style. he raised for the first possibility something the white house has been down playing, the idea that he might have to postpone this important trip because of it. it's not just the importance of the trip. it's the distance involved, chris, going to japan, going to australia, that's about as far as you can travel. when treasury secretary janet yellen moved up that time line for a default to june 1st it did put this trip in jeopardy. now, the president when he was vice president, obviously, had an integral role in the debt talks during the obama administration, and one question has been raised about could he delegate this to the vice president, others on his staff. and i think the fact that the

president himself indicated that there's no bigger priority right now as important as the foreign travel is than resolving this debt issue on time, he wants to be the person in the room having these complicated and complex and politically tricky conversations with republicans up until the final deadline here. >> and so we wait for the president to show up at that podium where mike is. mike memoli, anna palmer, robert gibbs, thank you all very much. at the breaking point, with a trump era covid rule ending tomorrow, that warning from a homeland security official about overcrowding at the border, just as president biden unveils a new plan to help deal with it. that's coming up next on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. jansing reports" only on msnbc

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haven't hit the starting line. it comes amid our exclusive reporting that the biden administration is preparing a plan to release migrants into the country with no way to track them. here's secretary mayorkas this morning. >> let me be clear, the lifting of the title 42 public health order does not mean our border is open. in fact, it is the contrary. our use of our immigration enforcement authorities under title 8 of the united states code means tougher consequences for people who cross the border illegally. >> and tensions are escalating in u.s. cities that see a surge of new migrants. texas's controversial busing of migrants to chicago has pushed major lori lightfoot to declare a state of emergency. i want to bring in nbc's julia ainsley from outside the border in plan, texas, and erica pin area roe, the executive

director, an organization that provides holistic support to migrants. put into confection your exclusive reporting on the biden administration's new order as well as these latest comments from secretary mayorkas. >> reporter: that's right, what mayorkas said about our reporting is it would only affect a tiny fraction of migrants crossing. from what we understand from sources is this is going to be done to try to alleviate some of the overcrowding that could happen. right now behind me i've seen hundreds of migrants lined up here in juarez as they cross into el paso. border patrol processes them, putting them on a van or bus. those places are well over capacity. we understand as of yesterday they had 27,000 people across the border in spaces meant for 18,000 people. so this plan is to try to get them out as quickly as possible. when title 42 lifts, they'll have even more time to process,

and it will take longer so they think that over crowding could happen more rapidly as more people come and it takes them longer to process. what this would do is anyone who's already been vetted, deemed not a security risk, could be released into the united states with a notice to report to an i.c.e. office rather than a court date, and they could potentially be going without any way to track them. previously they've had to call in. they've had to check in on an app. they've had to wear a geo locater or ankle monitor. that in some cases will now be gone, and this effort to clear as many people out of border patrol processing facilities as quickly as possible. at the same time, the biden administration is doing more to try to crack down on the number people who will be eligible to come into the country and claim asylum. those who don't meet those criteria could be deported more quickly. really it's a matter of seeing what's going to happen here and how the next 24 or 48 hours play out along the boarder and see if the measures the biden administration has put in place to both deter asylum seekers and to try to move people out

quickly are enough to battle what could be an overwhelming number of people here. >> julia, thank you so much and thank you for that great reporting. so erica, since julia brought up the cbp one app, which is essential to seeking asylum in the u.s., they're transitioning to a new appointment system today. we've been hearing from people at the border just how glitch economy this thing is. i want to play some of that. >> translator: the app crashes. there's five in my family, and it always tells me it's full. >> this venezuelan migrant says he's tried every day for two months. >> so he's going to select where we're at. and it's saying -- [ speaking non-english ] so it's saying he needs to come back. >> translator: in the application it shows you eight ports. i'm looking for calexico or tijuana, but then the

appointment will be in laredo or hidalgo and nothing here. >> you've compared this process to almost like trying to get taylor swift tickets on ticketmaster, which is very evocative for a lot of people out there. as you look at the changes they say they're making to this app, is it going to help? how much of a difference might it make? >> the app itself is not working well, so that's the first problem. i've seen them make several improvements to try to improve accessibility to the app, and really none of them have worked. we've seen shelters or camps full of people desperate to get appointments all pressing the button at the same time, and maybe like two or none will get an appointment. the biggest problem is really that there are not enough appointments for the number of people who are seeking protection, and so even if the app worked perfectly, there's still going to be a lot of people who are left out with no way to make an appointment through the app. >> we heard in those interviews, some of the frustration. what else can you share with us? what are you hearing from people who you're talking to right now

inside the u.s. or from migrants who are still trying to cross? what are they telling you, and what are their biggest concerns about tomorrow? >> i think it's important to put the overcrowding in perspective. the border has been overcrowded since the start of title 42 more than three years ago at this point, because of the lack of processing at ports of entry, thousands of migrants have been stuck in mexico in really harrowing circumstances. a partner nonprofit found that over 13,000 migrants who were expelled or repelled under title 42 were raped, murdered, assaulted or kidnapped or experienced other harm. the conditions people are waiting are life and death situations. you know, now people will be able to line up at the port of entry. i know that folks who have been trying in vain to get an appointment for months will try to line up at the port of entry, and we have also seen a diverse group of individuals crossing the border between ports of

entry trying to present themselves to u.s. officials to seek asylum as well. so i do think we will see an orderly line outside the port of entry, also want to put that in perspective. there's always a line outside of port of entry and both the u.s. and mexican governments are perfectly capable of processing individuals who wait in the line. i do think we'll see an increase, but i do think that the u.s. government has capacity to process those who show up. >> so once people are processed, erica, a big issue right now seems to be housing. we're even seeing reports like here in new york where i live, city officials are considering housing people in airplane hangars at jfk, tents in central park, some of the places that are mentioned. there's this whole thing going on not in my backyard, people are pushing back, residents are pushing back. what options are there for people who may not have a support system already in place in the u.s. to find a safe place to go? >> the vast majority of migrants that we work with here in tijuana do have a sponsor in the united states.

when we see these political stunts of busing individuals to blue states or other locations away from the border, it's really just delaying them getting to their sponsor. most of these people once they're bussed to new york or another location usually just need some help with travel arrangements, getting to their sponsor. those who do not have a support system in the united states, of course it's going to be more difficult for them, but there are a network of nonprofits and civil society groups who have stepped up to help. i think housing is a big issue not only for migrants but also for americans. so we will continue to see challenges in that area. >> erica pinero, you have a lot going on, and we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, fascinating new insights into young republican voters and their ongoing fascination with donald trump. plus, what e. jean carroll's win over donald trump means for other women. will it open the door for others who have been sexually abused?

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we just got in some breaking news on the future of access to birth control. according to "associated press," a panel of fda providers endorsed opill to become the country's first over the counter birth control pill. that medication was approved as a prescription drug about 50 years ago. a final decision on making it

over the counter is expected to come this summer. donald trump says he's appealing the verdict that came with a $5 million price tag now due to e. jean carroll when a manhattan jury found trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer, trump promptly called the trial unfair. his lawyer immediately accused the judge of bias. so how long could an appeals process take, and could donald trump end up not having to pay anything? with me now, barbara mcquade former u.s. attorney in michigan and msnbc legal analyst. so barbara, how long does the trump team have to file an appeal, and how long could that process take? >> typically an appeal notice has to be filed within ten days, but that is a very bare bones notice, just basically a statement of intent to file an appeal. and then after that a briefing schedule gets set, but it could be many months, even a year before we get a final opinion from an appellate court. and in that time there could be a delay in the payment of those damages. but you know, based on all of

the things i've heard following this trial very closely, the kinds of decisions that were made by the judge in this case were the kinds of routine trial management decisions that judges make all the time. judges are permitted a fairly high standard on those kinds of decisions, an abuse of discretion has to be found before a case will be reversed on appeal, and typically appellate courts are very reluctant to undo the findings of a jury. >> one question i kept hearing asked over and over and over again is what are the chances trump will actually have to pay and e. jean carroll's lawyer was asked about that today. she answered pretty succinctly. >> i've rarely felt more confident about an appeal than i do about this one. they have no legitimate arguments for a appeal. >> whether it takes a month or a year or more, how does that process work, barbara, when someone is ordered to pay? at some point does a judge say, okay, you have no more appeals,

ante up? >> if there's a failure to do that, e. jean carroll's lawyer could go back into court and show cause why he failed to pay. at that point a judge could demand a creditor's exam to find out what his assets are. garnish all payments he's receiving. if he refuses to voluntarily pay, there are legal mechanisms to force him to pay up. >> he's been accused by 15 other women of sexual misconduct allegations that he has denied. does this verdict mean anything for other similar claims against trump, do you think? >> i think it could. the new york survivor's statute is an interesting one. it allows people to make claims that would otherwise be barred by the statute of that limitation to come forward in civil cases and do the same thing e. jean carroll did. i'm sure e. jean carroll is happy to have the $5 million,

but as she said, the main reason she came forward to repair her reputation. ask may feel empowered by this verdict to do the same and so to that extent, she may have really set the stage for others to come forward and show similar courage and get similar kinds of judgments. >> barbara mcquade, always great to have you on the program. thanks, barbara. >> thank you. very little has influenced gop support of trump, his lead over all 2024 challengers has only grown. nikki haley who has centered campaigning on the new generation of the gop has yet to get young republicans to buy in. even more than older republicans an overwhelming number of the party's youngest voters seem to be sticking with former president donald trump, the man they actually grew up with.

nbc's vaughn hillyard sat down with four young new hampshire voters in high school and college, a demographic that could be important in 2024. we should note this interview took place before trump was found liable in e. jean carroll's civil case. vaughn joins me from manchester, new hampshire. what did these young voters tell you about their feelings about donald trump after essentially growing up with him? >> reporter: right, i think it's important that we kind of put this all into context here when we're talking the 17-year-old, isaiah, the first gentleman you're about to hear from, he was 9 years old when donald trump entered the equation. he says he remembers being with his grandmother watching one of his early rallies in 2015, 2016. the likes of nikki haley are calling on this new generation of republican leaders, you're seeing right now in some of the early data that some of the youngest voting republicans are those most ardently behind the

former president in hopes he gets a shot at the white house. the second young woman, katherine who's a sophomore in college in new hampshire that are looking to potentially a new voice. i want to let you listen to part of our conversations. >> i've seen the trump presidency. i liked how it went. i wouldn't mind having it again. >> former president trump has done a great job with including our generation. he really took advantage of social media, especially during the pandemic, and he allowed our population to get more informed and more involved in politics, which was really great, but now this is a totally new election, and i think that there are really great new candidates who are running, and i would love somebody who is a stronger leader. >> i got to hear a lot of the candidates speak already. it's kind of the same old same old, with trump you get to hear something new every day. it's really off the cuff. he's not afraid to like say what he feels. if someone comes in that i like better than trump, i'd vote for them. but if the election was today

i'd vote for donald trump. >> reporter: when you've seen the messaging of the trump campaign, he has been attacking ron desantis, when it comes to social security and medicare. of course clearly targeting the older republican voters, and that is where you see in some of this early data, it's young voters like harrison and isaiah that continue to stick by the former president. katherine she's hoping chris sununu jumps into the race. she'd be eager to support nikki haley if he were not to. this is part of the trump campaign, as he comes for a town hall later today, a demographic that frankly a candidate that is older than the rest of the field here is seeing some early support. i think as a demographic, we will continue to pay close attention to. >> i know you will, vaughn hillyard, thank you so much for that. hundreds of rockets are fired at israel after its forces killed top palestinian militants and at least ten civilians. we're live in tel aviv with the latest on that. and in the next hour, the latest on representative george

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palestinian militants fired a barrage of rockets into southern israel today, a widely expected retaliation after a series of israeli air strikes on

gaza. those air strikes which targeted leaders of the militant islamic jihad group killed ten civilians, mostly women and children, according to palestinian officials. nbc's raf sanchez is following this story from tel aviv. when we spoke yesterday, you said israelis were bracing for in wave of rockets from gaza, so where does the situation likely go from here? >> reporter: well, chris, in the last couple of hours, there has been just this relentless barrage of rockets from gaza into southern and central israel, but then there was a lull for a little bit, and there was hopeful talk that a cease fire had potentially been mediated by egypt, but in just the last hour or so, i can tell you we are once again seeing rockets here in tel aviv. chris, i want to show you a little bit of video that was shot by our camera operator, dave copeland from the roof of our bureau here in tel aviv. you can hear the sirens going off there, and those two bright

lights that you're seeing on your screens streaking across, those are israeli iron dome missile interceptors, and they are converging there on a rocket as it flies over tel aviv, and you can see there the twin explosions as they brought those rockets down. now, despite the scale of this barrage, there are not yet any reported casualties on the israeli side, but as you said, these rockets came in retaliation for those israeli air strikes yesterday in gaza, which killed three senior members of islamic jihad, but also ten civilians, including several little kids, the youngest of whom, chris, was a 5-year-old girl. i had a chance to catch up with an israeli government minister earlier today, and i asked him, given that these strikes were carried out on residential areas at 2:00 a.m., when families were sleeping, did he consider this level of civilian casualties to be acceptable? i want you to take a listen to

what he had to say. >> we feel very uncomfortable with every life lost that is unintended, and you have to be very very clear, we would do everything that we can. you know that this operation was drawn twice on friday and on sunday, all the planes were in the air, and the intelligence we had is that too many civilians may be hurt, and the planes turned back. because we have ethics, we don't want that. >> reporter: chris, when we spoke yesterday, the key question that remained in the air was whether hamas, the much bigger militant group in gaza was going to throw its full weight behind islamic jihad or not. so far it appears that hamas is staying out of the fighting, which is exactly what the israeli military wants. they have been aimed at islamic fights and so far it appears hamas is on the sidelines. >> let's go from tel aviv to breaking news in new york, where

the president is stepping up the pressure on republicans over the debt ceiling. he just said this has enormous implications for the u.s. and the international economy. he's here to explain to the american people why he believes he's got the right message and the right plan, let's listen in. >> by threatening to default on our nation's debt, debt we have already incurred over the last couple hundred years, unless we give into threats and demands of what they think we should be doing with regard to the budget. this would be incredibly damaging. here's what the speaker has put forward for the republican proposal. he says he's going to take the funding, how we fund government back to what the levels were in 2022 before the omnibus bill. and they exclude any cuts in defense. they said we're going to go back to spending we spent in 2022, but we're not going to make any cuts in defense which we spent in 2023. you may remember the state of

the union, i got our republican colleagues to agree somewhat spontaneously. [ applause ] to protect social security and medicare. remember, i said, let me get this straight, you're not going to cut medicare, you're not going to cut, social security, that's right, well, you know, you're on camera, they can see you. so far they're not cutting social security so far. and not only do they rule out any new revenue, they're still determined to make permanent the $2 trillion tax cuts due to expire, the trump tax cuts without paying a penny of it. now, look, here's what that leaves us with. the basic sort of math, it leaves us with the requirement to cut 22% of everything else in the budget in order to meet the requirements they're demanding that we live with the 2022 budget numbers.

the speaker and the republicans don't like that i point that out. but that's not my opinion. it's just basic math. and here's what it does. it makes huge cuts to important programs for millions of working and middle class americans, programs they count on. according to estimates, the republican bill would put 21 million people at risk of losing medicaid, including 2.3 million people here in new york state, and 78,000 people right here in westchester county. it's devastating. it's not right. republican plan would cut federal law enforcement officers. 30,000, including 11,000 fbi agents, 2,000 border agents. dea agents and so on. they've cut in order to meet the requirements they would have to cut that many law enforcement officers. it risks shutting down 375 air traffic control towers,

including five right here in new york state like westchester county airport because we don't have enough personnel. and i've long believed that we have many obligations as a nation, but you've heard me say this before, i apologize for repeating it, but we only have one truly sacred obligation. we have many obligations, one sacred obligation, and that's to equip those we send to war and take care of them and their families when they come home. that's a sacred obligation. for real. [ applause ] and that's why one of the things i fought so hard and i was proud to sign the bipartisan pact act that takes care of millions of veterans exposed to toxic materials, and takes care of their families as well. my son went to iraq for a year, was one of the healthiest guys in his outfit, came back with stage 4 glioblastoma, having lived less than a quarter nile

-- mile from one of the burn pits. you saw what happened when the trade towers went down, what happened to those firemen, but under the republican bill today, they would cut 30 million veterans health care visits. the way they do that, that's including nearly 2 million health care visits for veterans in new york state because there's not enough personnel. the difference between the 2022 budget, which they want to get back to and the 2023 budget is i increased the funding for the veterans administration by $22 billion. and the reason i did it -- [ applause ] -- and the reason i did it, and probably some of you know of these folks, the number of veterans committing suicide than are being killed in battle.