>> he was not prepared. he just busted that out. thankslogic. so you can get this interview tomorrow. he reflects on a lot of things including the role of the internet in his career and we can relate. the beat passed a billion streams online. a notable feat as one outlet put it. which puts me to the final thing i wanted to share. you can also find those interviews and news segments on msnbc.com/ari. i have hear from a lot of you guys. i'm always happy to keep in touch. but if the web is not for you, that's fine, too. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the reid-out starts. >> tonight on the reid-out. >> the reality is, it's a witch hunt. because it makes no sense that

in four months, four months, five months, i'm indicted. >> i will be a chairman of a committee in a couple of years if you look at the standards of congress. >> the george santos show enters another phase. he is facing up to 20 years in prison. meanwhile, kevin mccarthy refuses to call for santos' resignation because he needs his tainted vote. and republicans rush to the defense of donald trump after a jury determines he is indeed a sexual predator. plus, how should the media deal with the republican front runner who remains such a big danger to this country? we begin tonight with consequences. it's not something that you often see in politics. but in the past two days, some men in powerful positions have learned the hard lesson. that believe it or not, you can't just do anything you want and get away with it. exhibit a being serial

fabricator and alleged part- time brazilian drag queen george santos. the republican congressman who was arraigned in a long island courtroom today. he pleaded not guilty to seven counts of wire fraud. three counts of money laundering. one count of theft of public funds and two counts of making materially false statements to the house of representatives. according to prosecutors, santos deceived donors to his campaign. and wrongfully claimed unemployment benefits when he was making $120,000 a year. the doj says if convicted, the congressman could face up to 20 years in prison. santos has made quite the name for himself. lying about everything from his education to his employment history. to being jewish. to hiring survivors of the pulse nightclub shooting, even his mom dying in 9/11. none of which was true.

as a way of defending himself. santos pulls a donald trump. not only calling the indictment a witch hunt, but somehow attempting to make it about president biden. >> you have joe biden's entire family receiving deposits from nine family members receiving money from foreign destinations into their bank accounts. >> oh honey. but just like trump who learned yesterday that no, you cannot in fact just grab a woman by the you know what and get away from it. santos is about to learn that defense won't hold up in court. the congressman maintains he will not resign even as a growing number of republican lawmakers say he should. one person who has not called for his resignation however is house speaker kevin mccarthy. here is what he said earlier today. >> you'll have your day in courtment and go through it. just like with another member inside the house.

he won't serve on committee. >> yeah. except mccarthy put santos on the small business and space and technology committees. santos recused himself voluntarily back in june. nonetheless, mccarthy's response goes to show how the santos indictment is not just legally damaging for a congressman running for reelection, it is another political catastrophe for a republican caucus already trying to stay afloat. mccarthy was already in a tough spot with a razor thin majority in the house. the events of the past 24 hours have made his job a lot more difficult. nbc's adam reese was at the courtroom. how did it go down? >> reporter: he showed up bright and early. turned himself in. he was fingerprinted, photographed. he turned in his passport. about six hours later, we were in the courtroom for the arraignment. he walked in wearing his

typical white shirt, sweater, sport coat. he sat next to his attorney. his attorney read his arm around him. he read the charges and it was up to the judge to ask him a few questions. does he understand the charges? has he read the indictment? does he know about the fifth amendment? he said yes, ma'am to each and every one of those questions. finally she said, how do you plead? he very firmly said not guilty. then we got to the bond issue. $500,000 bond. three people put up money to make sure he was able to walk out the front door today. they want those names sealed. they are worried about retribution. and he can't go anywhere other than new york, long island, or dc. those are the places he must stay. and if he wants to go anywhere else as part of his so-called reelection campaign, he must tell the court, he must tell pretrial services. and the next hearing is on june 30th. but once we got outside, joy, it was a whole different story.

it was a mob scene. a circus. about 100 reporters in camera. people were out there. when he walked out that front door, they just mobbed him. i told him please come over to our microphone. he eventually slowly made his way to the microphones. he said he is not resigning and this is a witch hunt. he defended himself. he said he will defend these charges. the charges are not accurate. he will show financial records. there was a moment when he started talking alleged biden crimes. he was booed down. he said he has to get back to washington for a vote tomorrow. he even said at one point, at some point, he will be the chairman of some committee. but these charges are very serious. they could lead to decades in jail. and then he was off back to washington. joy? >> wow, what a day. nbc's adam reese, thank you very much. joining me now is

democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. thank you for being here. as we just heard that litany of what happened in the courtroom. i wrote down these two words. financial records. because i read through this indictment today and was really struck by the extent to which somebody who now we know his actually name, george anthony devolder santos solicited money from donors and then transferred that money to his personal accounts where he could spend it on designer clothes. on items for himself. and just literally took that money he was telling donors was to run ads for his campaign and further his election. lying saying his personal company was a superpac. but then turned around and spent the money. that is just one of the things he is charged with. what did you make of this indictment? >> i was a prosecutor ten years and it read like many

indictments that i drafted. because it is a typical fraud defendant who will lie and deceive in order to get money for one purpose and use it on their personal luxury goods. that is one of the charges. there was also the unemployment insurance fraud charge where george santos himself who was working at that time claimed unemployment insurance, from the cares act. and then of course, he lied as i think we all recognized on his disclosure forms. but there are a couple of things that jumped out to me, joy. the first is this is a brazen, brazen individual. because these are pretty unsophisticated, simple crimes. there is not a lot to them. he created an entity. lied about what it was for and just funneled the money to himself. the reason this was a relatively short investigation to date is that it is not very

complicated to unpack. but the oh thing that jumps out at me. when i look at his disclosures and campaign finances, there's more i think that the prosecutors will explore including the loans, the purported loans to his own campaign from the same entity he funneled the money through. this might be the beginning of the investigation. not necessarily the end. they wanted to get him with the lowest hanging fruit right up front. and he continues to walk these halls here. and vote on critical legislation and sometimes is the deciding vote. >> you know, what is fascinating about that is he seems to have used running for office, you know, as sort of a pad to his lifestyle. but also there was the misidentification of his income. where normally, you would think people would undersell their income. he inflates his income apparently.

so that he can say that he loaned himself $700,000 to run for office from his own pockets which wasn't true. but you mentioned the unemployment piece. this is what is fascinating about that. he lies about his unemployment history. he is one of the main people behind trying to get more work requirements for people on unemployment. he is also in terms of geting the fraudulent covid money one of the people who will be voting and is cosponsor of a bill to try to catch people who are taking fraudulent covid money and written into that bill is less money for the agency that would look into it. it seems like he was using his job to try to cover up his own misdeeds. >> that is absolutely right. it is the worst conflict of interest that any member of congress could have and it is why he need to resign immediately. if he will not resign as he said today, the speaker of the house needs to convince him to

do so. because he does not belong voting on legislation that would have an impact or a potential impact on his own misconduct. that undermines every single thing that we, the oath that we take and every basic rule of ethics and conflict of interest that you would have as a member of congress. in is not a situation, joy, where there is precedent. he is presumed innocent until proven guilty. which of course is the case. but this is a guy who admitted to lying in order to get this seat on things not charged here. and he has been charged with fraud in order to get this seat. all of his criminal activity, deceit and lies comes from trying to be a member of congress. he must be convinced to resign if he refuses. >> it doesn't sound like kevin

mccarthy will do that. let me tell you what he said most recently about supporting him or not. >> i think he has other things to focus on in this life. >> you don't plan to support santos for reelection? >> that's what i said. >> saying i don't support him for reelection sounds like he doesn't want him to resign but stick around until the election. >> well of course he would. because santos is an extra vote. and the republicans in new york where i am from are furious that george santos deceived his voters and is now giving them essentially no representation. he is not on committees. he is not doing any meaningful work. they are unrepresented. there is a good chance a democrat will win and mccarthy has one fewer votes to push forward his extreme agenda. he needed george santos for the

default on america act. he needed george santos to become speaker so kevin mccarthy has no incentive to push him out. but it has to be for the american people rising up that george santos does not belong here and they need to convince all of their representatives to urge the speaker to convince him and urge him to resign. >> he has a four-vote majority. that's all he's got. but you better believe he needs george santos. congressman dan goldman, thank you very much. up next on the reid-out. >> did you ever have a flicker when you are taking a shower walking to work or waking up in the morning where you said donald trump, you have won every battle you ever fought. why don't you run for governor or president? >> people want me to all the time. i don't like it. can you imagine how controversial i would be? can you imagine? >> donald trump back in 1998 talking to chris matthews about bill clinton's scandal. yes, we can imagine. unfortunately, now we don't have to.

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awarding her $5 million in damages for her battery and defamation claims. we spoke to her. >> i was born in the silent generation. we put our chins up and we went right ahead with our smile on our face. i have since learned we cannot stay silent. we did away with the perfect victim concept. the perfect victim always screams. she always goes to the plate. writes the date in her diary. she folds up and is a sad person. we smashed that concept. i'm overwhelmed with joy and happiness and delight for the women in this country. >> many republicans rushed to trump's defense, normalizing

sexual assault. let me just -- >> what is your reaction to president trump being held liable? >> i think the new york legal system is off the rails when it comes to donald trump. >> what has happened in some of these courtrooms in manhattan, i don't even know. not going to get into it. >> it's a jury of his peers. >> come on, seriously? don't say to stuff to me. that don't work for me. jury of my peers? yeah, whatever. what else you got? >> that's pretty much it. this is a sexual abuse conviction basically. >> it is an allegation from what, 25 years ago? >> how mad they get when women win. stay mad. joining me now is katie, former republican communications director. katie, you are the litigator of these kinds of cases. they mad, and they really need to stay mad. >> but how casual you hear the republicans about the judicial

system. they want justice when they hear something going on with hunter biden. they want the doj when it is being weaponnized and politicized to be able to pursue the people that they want to be the targets. but when it works. when a jury of donald trump's peers, six men, three women, one of the jurors being a man who listens to a far right, right wing podcaster still found donald trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation. it was a unanimous verdict. that was my fear. could they get it across the finish line with all nine? and e. jean carroll's team did it. it was no small feat. it is the hypocrisy. and the judicial system is supposed to be justice for all. lady justice is only supposed to be blind, but only when it fits the narrative you want. they are all mad because it worked. and it worked the way it was supposed to. >> you know, maybe he is

feeling bad for the black people in florida who his governor arrested for voting. he has to defend the man with the golden toilets to the death. let me play for you what a former employee of donald trump's had to say. this is stephanie grisham. she was talking about donald trump's conduct, not in the 90s , his conduct in the white house. take a listen. >> he one time had one of my other deputies bring her back so that they could look at her ass is what he said to him. i kit everything i could to keep her off of trips actually and to say with her if she was with him alone because i was really nervous about what could happen. >> so he didn't even stop sexually harassing when he became president and they are like he's the victim. you're thoughts? >> why would he stop? he told us in the access hollywood tape that they let you do it when you're a star. when i see beautiful, i just kiss them. and he got elected president of the united states. i say that is actually a bigger

reflection on us as a society and on people who voted for him and continue to support him. than it does about him. because donald trump has revealed who he is his entire career. it was the american voters who chose to elect him and it is the republican party that has chosen to stick by him. that has chosen to elevate him. has chosen to stay silent when they know good well he is a chronic misogynies and sexual abuser. this is the man who sexualized his own daughter. how voluptuous she was. this is the same guy michael cohen wrote about in his book saying michael cohen's daughter was a hot piece of ass. she was 15. he said oh, i'll be dating some of your friends in a couple of years. this is the same guy who talked about walking through the beauty pageants in the miss teen usa pageants. in the pageants he ran when he ran miss usa. donald trump has consistently

been a low life when it comes to women. and yet, the republican party has no problem with it. instead, to katie's point, they attack the judicial system. there is something incredibly wrong with this. senator marco rubio today, or yesterday in reaction said that this was a joke. he called the jury and the verdict a joke. tommy up therville of alabama, he said that it makes him want to vote for donald trump twice. what are we doing? this is today's republican party. they seem to be okay with this and they wonder why they are losing suburban voters. >> it is very interesting. these are the same people who wanted bill clinton in the docks back in the day. they thought bill clinton. they never thought those charges were too old. they were like bring it on. put him in jail. >> lindsey graham was one of the lead prosecutors. look at him now. he is a barnacle on the ass of

donald trump who is a hypocrite and a shell of himself. it is embarrassing. >> marco rubio is actually a lawyer. >> a lot of them are. >> a lot of them are lawyers. >> a lot of the members of congress. senators and representatives, they are former prosecutors. they know what the burden of proof is for a crime. they know what the burden of proof is for a civil offense. and you know, they don't have a problem, again finding the justice tipping a certain way. my concern is the following into tara's well articulated point. this wasn't a criminal case. right? i still think they would say it was a hoax or some type of witch hunt. they being gop. let's talk about moving forward. so e. jean carroll got her name in court. she gets her name back. but this is for something that happened to her decades ago, a

civil case. the statute of limitations ran. but with her bravery and courage and her win, what hopefully is going to happen is as she said, more women come forward when it is within the statute of limitations. when someone who is a lech and a pervert goes to criminal trial. goes to prison where he literally cannot run from prison. that is what you kind of hope is going to be the turning point here. the looking forward part. we look back and say what can we second guess and judge people for, especially women as rape victims. e. jean says we changed that narrative. we destroyed that complete fallacy of who that woman is. let's move forward and give women the strength and the space to say there is a process where i can find justice and maybe people like donald trump go to jail for it. >> and god bless her as a woman of her generation for standing up. she said she loves the fact she as a 70 plus-year-old woman is

the one who got it. >> 79 years old. >> god bless her. >> here is mitt romney and chris christie responding like normal human beings. >> he just is not suited to be president of the united states. and to be the person we hold up to our children and the world as a leader of the free world. >> his response yesterday to me was ridiculous. that he didn't even know the woman. i mean, you know, how many coincidences are we going to have here with donald trump, brian? i mean, he must be the unluckiest sob in the world. he just has, you know, random people he has never met before who are able to convince a jury he sexually abused them. i mean this guy, it's one person after another. one woman after another. >> tara, i'll give him credit. is there anyone running for president that has the cajones to do what those two men just did? >> no. no they don't.

no. and yes, we can give chris christie a little credit. at least mitt romney is consistent. but for god sake. christie is the reason we have donald trump. because let's not forget what he did during 2016. and then stood like a hostage behind donald trump and sat there and was complicit. he doesn't have the moral high ground to say anything about anything. now he wants to run for president. so all of a sudden he has gotten his mojo back. i'm embarrassed by him. >> i want the jury to note that i tried to be nice. don't get onto me. >> wasn't the first time. trust me. >> put the music under it.

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the bizarre reality we live in now is that the republican

party is very likely to renominate donald trump for president next year. the same donald trump who was just found liable for sexual abuse. he is the front runner. despite facing felony charges of falsifying business records in new york. being under criminal investigation for taking classified documents home and refusing to give them back. and under federal and state criminal investigation for trying to overthrow the 2020 election. which culminated in summoning a mob to washington to lay siege to the u.s. capitol. doing nothing but watch tv. for three hours. while they hunted his vice president. and attacked police officers. scenes that are indelible and should be disqualifying in any normal political party but it is not stopping one of three major cable news networks from giving him a friendly town hall in one of his supporters tonight. in a rolling stone op ed, former metropolitan police officer michael fanone torched the platform of a guy who tried

to get him killed. putting him on stage, having him answer questions like a normal candidate who didn't get people killed in the process of trying to end democracy normalizes what he did. it demonstrated that attempting a coup is just part of the process. that there are no consequences for rejecting them. joining me now is congressman eric swalwell of california. sandra garza. olivia troy. former adviser to vice president mike pence. and chief operating officer of mission democracy. and adam serwer, staff writer for the atlantic. thank you all for being here. i want to read a little more of michael's excellent op ed. and he talks about getting the call from his mom, saying that this town hall was going to

happen. and just being horrified. then taking in the arguments that why shouldn't he get a platform? he is the front runner. and he said i'll tell you why this is different. those lies that donald trump keeps telling about the election convinced thousands of his supporters to storm the capitol, violently attack uniformed police officers and terrorize lawmakers and their staff. as a result of my efforts that day, i was swearly beaten, struck numerous times with a taser, and suffered a heart attack and a traumatic brain injury. one police officer died and several others took their own lives in the wake of that barbaric day. it is snot just that trump's lies and political rhetoric sparked an uprising. trump as then president of the u.s. lied in an effort to defraud the american people. and overturn a free and fair

election in an attempt to remain in power. see the january 6 select committee's report. he literally betrayed every aspect of his oath to represent us as americans. we no longer need to imagine what trump is capable of. he has shown us that he is an authoritarian who would use any means at his disposal including violence to stay in power. sandra, as the partner of the person he is talking about, the officer who died and who laid in state in our capitol, this man, michael fanone, he ain't getting a town hall at that other network. trump is. your thoughts? >> well, i think officer fanone's words are palpable. you can hear the anger he has about why trump is doing this. why he is allowed to do this. i kind of have mixed feelings about it. i think in one way, there might be some benefit to trump being on that network because i'm hoping and praying they will

pound him with very hard questions and i wish i could be there honestly. i actually said that to someone earlier today. i wish i could be there. because he would not be able to wiggle out of some of the questions i would have for him. and he would look stupid because he couldn't answer those questions. like why he didn't call me. why he didn't call the sicknick family. why he didn't call any of the family members of the officers who committed suicide or any of the other people that died. so, or were hurt by his actions. it is really recomprehensible. >> why he didn't call owe instead of making an birthday video for ashley babbatt. called for the department of justice to open the investigation into her death when she was attempting to crash through the speaker's lounge and behind that door were members like you. >> that's right. donald trump is not worthy of a town hall.

in addition to everything else that he is, now he is judged to be a sexual abuser and a lier. that is not me saying it but his neighbors. his community. a jury of his peers. something else i would say to that network. because yes, officer sicknick and others defended me. defended the employees of the capitol. they also defended the reporters. when i was moved from the house floor to a side evacuation room, we were in there with reporters. and so it was cnn reporters who also suffered at the madness and the lies this guy stun up and aimed at this armed mob. >> yeah. and, the vice president. the vice president who was meant to be the victim. they brought a gallows to the capitol. they were going to kill him. and they would have killed him and he was afraid to get into his car because he wasn't going to leave. your thoughts, having worked for him, on the idea that this

guy is being treated like he is just a regular politician and it feels like there is an attempt to sideline this not minor fact in his history he is an insurrection leader. >> look, he is the most dangerous person to have held office in my opinion. i mean, i worked in the trump white house. there are many of us who have very strong opinions about what he was doing and how dangerous he was. our biggest fear and i talked to former trump officials who will have these conversations said he is on his comeback tour. he is on his way back. as someone who had been on cnn, i actually did one of my very first interviews with them which was very hard for me to come forward. i knew they were going to do everything in their power to try to destroy me. it is hard. i can't even imagine what sandra must feel like. the reason this is happening is because he is the front runner

for the gop. he will likely be the nominee and i don't say that lightly. i do believe he will be. because i don't see anyone else standing up to him except maybe isa hutcheson. but my own boss is defending him even after he was just convicted for sexual assault. how do you do that, mike pence? how do you do that when you know senior staff in the white house, that worked in that white house, were well aware of the types of behavior was exhibiting toward women. how do you defend him? >> adam, i wish you were here with us. i want to bring you in. the reality is, i will never forget that day watching officer eugene goodman be backed up the stairs by inrecollectionists who god knows what they would have done to him. and him turning them one way. because the other way was the gallery. he saved so many lives. i will never forget seeing mitt romney running for his life. people defending putting their fist up to the insurrectionists

running for their lives. it does feel like there is an attempt to normalize this guy who has fomented incredible racism, misogyny. rape culture. now he is being made mainstream. your thoughts? >> yeah. unfortunately, one of donald trump's insights is that the only rules that count are the ones that the system has the political will to enforce. in january, 2020, there was enough political will in 2021 to ensure that he did not succeed in his attempt to violently overthrow the 2020 election. but as long as he has as much support as he has, currently it is about half of the electorate which has more influence in its numbers. as long as he has that support,

he has a lot of rules. >> let me ask you this as a journalist. there is a way. that you could get something out of having him do a town hall if you are going to give him tough questions but this audience is going to be his supporters. trump supporters, republican base voters and republican leaning independents. it doesn't seem likely that the question that comes from that audience will be very tough. is there a way to have journalists cover him. to do that, if a forum that he actually can be asked tough questions? it doesn't seem that will be naturally what will happen tonight. >> i mean, i don't want to prejudge before i actually see what happens. i think you know, there is a way to hold him accountable and ask him questions. i think the issue really comes down to the fact that you know, he is a candidate. he has a large enough base of

support to win the republican primary and that means in a news market with a network trying to show it is objective and fair to all sides, they will try and cover him in a way they see as fair. and the asymmetry of that, this is someone who does not respect the democratic system. so you know, it is very, it is that tension. press has to troy to be fair to all sides but on the other hand, this other side holds a view that is authoritarian and extreme. and it is very difficult to uphold your commitment to democracy covering an individual who does not fundamentally believe in a democratic system. >> we will keep this panel. the panel will stick around. we still have a lot of territory to cover. we will do that after this short break. eak. ♪ ♪♪

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while i understand free press and while i understand being unbiased, you are platforming someone who doesn't fundamentally believe in our democracy. that's the bottom line. right? as michael stated. >> and here's the challenge for republicans. when you poll republicans, cbs did. would you prefer a candidate who criticizes insurrectionists, supports insurrectionists or doesn't comment? six out of ten said doesn't comment. only 15% said criticizes. you had a quarter of republican voters say they

is that how you feel is? well >> absolutely. i am disgusted with the way that trump and the people that

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