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good morning, and thanks for being here. it is 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. all eyes today on the southern border with title 42 set to expire tonight. tens of thousands of migrants are already waiting to enter the u.s. once the covid era restriction ends at midnight. u.s. troops at the border setting up our wire. we'll have a live report from mexico about the situation coming up right up. and later, trump taking center stage yet again, this time in a prime time town hall, and it feels like we've seen this script before. >> will you commit tonight to accepting the results of the 2024 election? >> yes, if i think it's an honest election absolutely i would. plus, congressman george santos fighting both a legal and political battle. the house speaker now saying he won't support santos for re-election. santos has pleaded not guilty to 13 federal charges. does santos have any future in the gop? and the nearly 20-year-old

case of natalie holloway's disappearance is back in the spotlight. the prime suspect now facing extradition to the u.s. i'll talk to joyce vance who was part of the 2010 case against yoren van der sloot. we are hours away from the end of title 42. border officials estimate 55,000 migrants may be in northern mexico waiting to cross into the u.s. nbc news senior national correspondent tom llamas is live in juarez, mexico. start us off, what do we need to know about the situation where you are? >> reporter: hey, ana, good to be with you. about five minutes ago some border agents came out is and they started shouting to all the migrants who are lined up here on the el paso side and essentially told them to start lining up but also to clean up,

so essentially clean up all of their sleeping bags, their food, their clothes, anything left behind here. it sounds like and it feels like these people may start to get processed as they sort of try to control this crowd and clear them out. what we noticed overnight was a transition here on this section of the border. they've added more barbed wire fencing. there are troops with machine guns that are patrolling at least this section of the border. what we haven't seen for days are any type of mexican law enforcement. so migrants for the past few days in the lead up to title 42 expiring have been able to sort of walk right in past this barbed wire fence. yesterday there was a hole cut out of the fence and they've been able to walk up to the border wall and just wait here. there have been hundreds if not a thousand migrants who have been waiting for days here. they've processed little, dozens at a time. it feels like they're asking everyone to line up now, and it feels like they want to clear out this section of the border in juarez before title 42 expires tonight.

all of this as we're learning more about what the biden administration hopes to do once title 42 expires. that includes some reporting we have with migrant families, and essentially they're not going to be able to put all the migrant families in detention centers because the detention centers are completely full. they're going to give the head of the household, either the father or mother a gps ankle bracelet they're going to wear. they're going to impose a curfew. if they do not qualify for asylum, these families will be deported and sent back to their countries. i spent some time with a family yesterday at a shelter in juarez. they've been waiting here five months. they left their town in mexico because they say a cartel was going to kidnap their 13-year-old daughter. she was there and during this interview she was so terrified you could see it in her eyes. they say they have proof that they have to have asylum in the united states because if they go back to their town their daughter will disappear. they have their meeting set for saturday with border officials, but they said they had to apply

through that cbp 1 app. they said at first they couldn't even figure it out, that other migrants started crying because it was so complicated. they actually had to take a class at the shelter to learn how to use the app to make that appointment. it's one of the new methods, the new steps the biden administration is imposing to sort of slow the surge at the border here under this historic record number of migrants coming into the u.s. >> tom llamas, wow, thank you for that powerful report. it is such a desperate situation for so many of these migrants who are trying to get to a better life. joining us now is p paola ramos. as you are watching what's happening there with more people trying to enter the u.s., what's going through your mind? >> i wish that the image that we're seeing right now would be different. i wish that these headlines would be completely different. i was imagining it to read, the

biden administration finally reinstates people's legal right to seek asylum, the biden administration finally completely departures from trumpism. there's this unprecedented opportunity to do what's morally right, legally right and completely part ways with that. we have two different stories. yes, they're lifting title 42, but they're also reinstating a new asylum ban which essentially pushes migrants to apply for asylum in another country before entering the u.s./mexico border. they just announced that policy. as they're lifting title 42, they're sending troops at a border that is already completely militarized. they're telling people to not come, which completely underestimates the desperation that asylum seekers are feeling as they're making these treacherous journeys to the united states and all of this is happening in the backdrop of a gop that continues to fuel this anti-immigrant rhetoric, which is the danger. >> i think you're right about the anti-immigrant rhetoric,

that's one issue. but there's also the reality on the ground, and there is not a way for people to come into the u.s. right now in an organized fashion to be able to have their needs met and to have those asylum cases processed effectively, right? >> i think that it is what we have been pushed to believe, but we also know that the united states is the wealthiest country in the nation in the world. we know that we do have the infrastructure. we have the resources. humanitarian aid groups have been doing this for years. they've been welcoming asylum seekers with dignity for years. they've been on the ground as this chaos has been happening. will is a way to do it. to me the most important part is you need to process people, but you need to keep in mind that the heart of this discussion is that we have to reinstate everyone's legal right to seek asylum, which is what the u.s. law says. >> it is not an easy solution here to fix the immigration system and congress needs to take action. i'm going to talk to a

congressman in just a moment. i can feel your passion. i just want you to be able to explain what you see as the biggest misunderstandings about migrants and the immigration issue. >> two things, the first one that comes to mind is as complicated as it sounds, the painful reality is that -- even as secretary mayorkas says do not come, that will not work. the new norm is what we're seeing on the screen. why? because there are dictatorships in venezuela and cuba and nicaragua. if you're a transgender latina in latin america the average life expectancy is 35 years old. they're likely to die before they reach 36 years old. as long as the united states continues to be the country it is, people will come. we have to come to terms with that reality, and with a system that works. the second misunderstanding is this idea that republicans have fueled, which is migrants are criminals, they're bringing in crime. there's this invasion.

more than half of americans believe that to be true that there's an invasion happening. the replacement theory is no longer a fringe theory. it is mainstream. that is not true. according to the texas department of public safety's own data, native born citizens are more likely to commit crimes than undocumented immigrants. that's the truth. >> yep, those are the facts. thank you so much paola ramos, really appreciate you being here and offering your perspective on all of this and bringing us into that data. it's important. joining us now democratic congressman from illinois, chew chuy garcia. what can be done to prevent chaos, or is it too late? >> well, we're about to experience one of the largest surges in migrants coming to the border, seeking political asylum, wanting admission to this country, all of these things need to be addressed multilaterally with some of the

countries in latin america. we need to revisit our policy and address the root causes of what's driving people to come to the u.s. remember, this is about 20% of the world's migrants that are in movement. this can be managed, but we need to address and collaborate with other countries. this is not the end of the world. this can be managed, but at the heart of what's going on here is protecting people's right to seek asylum. it is human right. the president has said that we need to restore the soul of america. immigrants are a part of that nation. we're a nation of immigrants, and that's what's on the line here. we should not succumb to fear and fear mongering, especially on the part of republicans and right wingers in this country. this is manageable. this is an important lesson that we need to incorporate. but remember that the right to seek asylum has been a bulwark of our democracy and freedom in

this country. >> right, but something does have to be done, right? the system's not working. it can take years upon years for people to have their day in court to go through the legal process of immigration. and as i understand it, at least later today you're expected to vote on a republican-backed border security bill known as hr-2. so that's of course dealing with at least the numbers and it hits on a number of republican talking points including resuming construction of a border wall, but it would also fund more border patrol jobs. it would develop and upgrade technology at the border. that's something the biden administration says is needed. will you vote for this bill or could it at least be a starting point, do you think, for bipartisan discussion? >> this is one of the most cruel immigration bills ever presented to congress in modern history. it seeks to continue the building of a border wall. it seeks to continue detention, potentially family separation, et cetera. this is not a solution.

it isn't going anywhere. this can be a part of the debate that is going on, but remember that republicans in the prior congress voted against increasing the number of immigration judges so that we wouldn't have over 1.2 million cases pending before 500 immigration judges. these are the judges that should decide on petitions for political asylum, whether they should be granted or not. the right to seek asylum doesn't guarantee asylum, it simply guarantees you profit or it has in the past. i am disappointed that the biden administration is seeking to replace title 42 with a similar policy that requires people to apply for asylum in another country. that makes it so difficult, and what are we going to do with the big surge at the border? there is a way to manage this orderly, humane, and with compassion. that's what democrats have stood for and historically, especially in the last ten years

republicans have prevented immigration reform so the message that we sent to people all over the hemisphere is that the only way to come here is through other than authorized means. >> especially, though, you say there's a way to manage this. what's not being done? what's the way to manage it that could be done? >> well, the immediate way to manage this is to provide the types of resources that people at the border need. the recipients of migrants that are being bussed and flown into these cities need like the city of chicago. that's why i led a letter on delegation from the chicago area seeking additional funding from fema and from the department of homeland security. this is where we need to provide services. many nonprofits and governments have already exhausted their budget. that's the type of humane treatment that this crisis requires at this time, and remember, this is about protecting the ability for

political -- to seek asylum in our country. >> i hear what you're saying and can appreciate your perspective on all of this. i think that the challenge is that there is a logistical barrier right now with how many people are in need of assistance, and there's simply not enough shelter and services in place currently to be able to provide what is needed. illinois congressman, chuy garcia, thank you so much for coming on. i appreciate your voice. we're back in 60 seconds, donald trump dismisses this week's civil trial verdict and doubles down on 2020 election lies in a free wheeling town hall that's provoking strong reaction this morning. plus, why prosecutors could have been watching very closely. also, reaction from voters and republicans, george santos's district and the long list of federal charges the congressman is now facing, which he's calling a witch hunt. sound familiar? and a new twist in the story that captivated the country, the disappearance of natalie

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and choose the phone you want, like the incredible iphone 14, on us. verizon former president trump was on stage for his first town haul of the 2024 election cycle last night, but his lines were nothing new. he attacked writer e. jean carroll days after he was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming her. he lied about the 2020 election results again, and said this about his supporters who stormed the capitol on january 6th. >> will you pardon the january 6th rioters who were convicted of federal offenses? >> i am trying to pardon many of them. i can't say for every single one because a couple of them probably they got out of control. i am most likely if i get in, i

will most likely -- i would say it will be a large portion of them. >> nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard is joining us now from manchester, new hampshire, where that town hall took place. also with us former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance and writer at large for the bulwark and msnbc political analyst, tim miller. great to have you here, all of you, vaughn, what were the key takeaways from trump last night? >> reporter: ana, there was a lot that was covered. number one, he suggested that republicans on capitol hill should be ready to take the country into default, if democrats do not negotiate massive cuts. he was pressed by kaitlan collins whether he believed russia or ukraine should win this war. he refused to answer. this is somebody who did not apologize when asked if he had any regrets about what happened to mike pence on january 6th. this is somebody who when he was

asked what the details of a federal abortion ban that he would sign into law would be, he refused to give specifics but did not deny that he would sign a federal ban of some sort. i want to let you hear, though, part of when he was talking about the e. jean carroll liebt verdict here, and the reason we want to play part of this bite is also because of the audience's reaction. this is a room full of republicans that laughed as donald trump mocked e. jean carroll who is found liable to have been sexually abused just the day before. >> i never met this woman. i never saw this woman. this woman said i met her at the front door of bergdorf. what kind of a woman meets somebody and within minutes you're playing hanky-panky in a dressing room, okay? >> donald trump made it clear last night, ana, that he is not a man of regret, remorse, and if

he is going to take these fights to the biggest levels that he can and try to reach as massive of an audience as he can. >> i just have to think investigators and lawyers may have been watching last night. what do you make of those comments on e. jean carroll? he's already been found liable for defamation. >> right, so the e. jean carroll comments are obviously just out of bounds for anyone in public life, only donald trump could get away with that sort of thing. he had the opportunity to testify in court under oath. he chose to forgo that. i think it speaks for itself whether carroll's lawyers might be evaluating bringing new charges, we don't know yet. and i shouldn't say charges, it's a civil case not a criminal case. more importantly, it's likely that investigators and prosecutors at doj were also paying attention to the former president's words, particularly the comment about his

willingness to grant pardon might have some bearing on his state of mind on january 6th and how he viewed those events that could influence their ability to prove what they need to prove to bring a case against the former president, this time a criminal one, for an effort to interfere or obstruct congress when it was trying to certify the electoral college vote on january 6th. >> ken, we're told the crowd was mostly made up of republicans and undeclared voters. this was a republican presidential town hall. one thing that struck me at least was their reaction to trump, cheering, laughing, applauding. he seemed to be thriving off of their energy. what does that tell you? >> obviously it felt like a crowd, but it could have been having a wedding or something at mar-a-lago more than like an independent republican crowd. there are republicans who like donald trump that aren't really enthusiastic about the grossest

part of trumpism and are open to moing along. i saw with my eyes in the audience, chris apple gate, who's a republican fundraiser, paid fundraiser, and woody johnson owner of the new york jets who's a big supporter of donald trump. the trump campaign was stacking that audience with super supporters, and it turned the event into basically kind of a standup routine where trump said the worst, most cruel things he could. he called kaitlyn a nasty woman to overwhelming applause. that setting made the event particularly debased. i think it's important to step back. you get caught in this, you have to analyze what went good, what was right, what helped him, what didn't. this is a person that tried to overthrow our democracy. seven members of his own party voted to convict him to prevent this campaign from ever being able to happen again. yet here we are doing it and

trying to analyze him in the same way you'd analyze a mike pence event, and it really is a category difference. >> okay. and vaughn, i just got this in, we have some sound with todd young, he's a republican from indiana who told reporters just moments ago when asked about this town hall last night whether he was going to support trump for 2024, and he simply said no. asked why, he said where do i begin? what do you think about that? is that significant? >> it is significant, ana. i don't know how many times members of congress have been asked in the halls by our capitol hill team to react to something that donald trump said or did over the last eight years, and so often it was an effort to run or obfuscate or say it's the choice between a republican or hillary clinton or joe biden so we're going to stick with the republican, but todd young saying that is notable here because this comes just after yesterday, john

cornyn, republican senator out of texas suggesting that donald trump would be unelectable in a general election, and john thune, another republican senator saying that these are all -- events are all compiling on top of each other and making it difficult. so at what point we have asked would there be a ground swell of republicans at the leadership level who try to take on donald trump, and we haven't seen that. you can go back 70 years. it ultimately was the censoring of joe mccarthy that was the defining moment in ending mccarthyism as we knew it. to what extent in the months ahead do republicans on capitol hill try to push down donald trump. that is the question outstanding. >> there are a few that have spoken out. appreciate you all. thank you. ahead on "ana cabrera reports" what the gop front runner is saying about guns. the father of a parkland shooting victim who has turned his personal tragedy into a push

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clearing my name. >> embattled congressman george santos defiant and refusing to resign after pleading not guilty to a slew of federal charges he's now facing. and it appears house speaker kevin mccarthy isn't asking santos to resign either, although mccarthy did say he won't support the new york congressman's re-election bid. >> santos is running for re-election, are you going to support him? you're mott? >> i think he has other things to focus on at this time. >> so you don't plan to support santos' re-election? >> that's what i said. >> joining us now is nbc news correspondent rehema ellis in santos' district on long island, and fred upton of michigan. we just heard from santos there. what are you hearing from his constituents, and what's next in his legal case? >> reporter: well, his constituents. it depends on who you talk to.

some people are for him, and others are a resounding no, but many people are concerned about what's he's facing on this 13-count indictment that he went into federal court yesterday to answer these charges and pled not guilty. this is a man who they understand that he lied about his background. he lied about his education. he lied about his work. he also lied about his life story, and now he's still telling stories to the voters about whether or not he can represent them. listen to what they said about whether or not they want him to stay in office. >> yeah, the man lies, you know what i mean. he does not belong there, but all officials lie, so he's not the only one. everybody thinks he's a liar, and they want him to resign. >> he lied to people to get votes and it's disheartening. you don't really know who to

trust. >> reporter: he won this district back in 2022 by 53% over 36% of his opponent. the question becomes whether or not he could do that again. what faces him now, he has his passport taken away, his travel is limited from new york to washington, and he must return here to long island june 30th. >> rehema, thank you for that reporting. congressman upton, we heard from santos even before the indictment came through, msnbc obtained this video from a documentarian who interviewed santos earlier this year. just take a listen to part of it. >> we just saw matt gaetz survive a massive scandal. he's elected. we see members of congress survive scandal upon scandal. >> is he right? >> well, sadly the wheels of

justice turn slowly. i was one that called for his resignation literally before he was sworn in, and i talked to some of the new yorkers about it as well in terms of -- you know, i had never served with him. he's lied from the very beginning. now he's lied from the report from the indictment that was released yesterday, he was drawing unemployment while he was receiving a six figure salary. that's against the law. he's denying that, but it's so hypocritical that this week in the house there's going to be a legislation that will pass this week, either today or tomorrow that will go after or provide more tools for states to go after covid fraud unemployment. guess what, he's a cosponsor of that legislation and yet the charges against him show that he did the very same thing, so wire fraud, whether it's lying on ftc

reports, all those are federal crimes. >> right. >> and again, to delay this for another 60 days enabling him to vote on very serious issues whether it be the debt ceiling or anything else, as a member of congress he's able to participate in top secret hearings. you know, whether it's on ukraine or anything else, this guy, his voting card needs to be removed -- >> here's the thing, congressman, he has just said in that clip he's seen so many other people survive scandal after scandal after scandal, so he is thinking he might get through this and stay in power. congressman speaker mccarthy, he's saying he won't support re-election, but he's not kicking him out. >> no, but he should be -- he should be thrown out. and the ethics committee, which i know at least was reported that was going to start investigating him back in march, they need to get the job done and really threaten him by

saying you're going to be expelled if you don't resign on your own. now maybe at the end of the day -- and i'm not a lawyer -- maybe he'll cut a deal with the prosecutors to say that he'll leave if they drop some of the charges so that his jail time may be less, but this is really bad news. and he needs to go and i think most of the country would say, whether you're a republican or a democrat, this is a -- on the house. >> former congressman fred upton, thank you very much for your perspective. appreciate your thoughts. >> you bet. up next on "ana cabrera reports," an overnight development in the 2005 disappearance of natalie holloway. the prime suspect now being extradited to the u.s. the charges he's facing in connection to the case. there's nothing 'small' about them. that's why at t-mobile for business... you'll save more than $1,000 versus verizon. and with price lock guarantee, we'll never raise your rate plan.

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listen to this, we have new attention this morning on the natalie holloway case nearly 20 years after her disappearance, the prime suspect in her case is now set to be extradited to the united states. peru's government agreed to this move. joran van der sloot is already there. so wow, what can you tell us? >> good morning, a lot of layers to this story. when you think about it, natalie holloway would be 36 years old today. now peru has agreed to his

extradition. nearly 20 years since the sudden disappearance of 18-year-old natalie holloway, joran van der sloot the prime suspect in the case according to authorities will be sent to birmingham, alabama, where he'll face federal wire fraud and extortion charges dating back to 2010. overnight the government of peru approving his temporary extradition. he was seen leaving a nightclub with holloway in may of 2005, the night she vanished. no one has ever been charged in her disappearance and her body was never found. in 2012 an alabama judge signed an order declaring holloway legally dead. natalie's mother beth holloway releasing a statement overnight writing in part, it has been a very long and painful journey, but the persistence of many is going to pay off. adding together we are finally getting justice for natalie. in 2010 van der sloot allegedly reached out to the holloway's attorney promising to not only explain what happened to natalie but where to find her remains,

in exchange for a quarter of a million dollars. van der sloot was wired $25,000 as part of an fbi sting eventual ly leading to the wire fraud and extortion charges against him. authorities believe he used the money to flee to peru where months later he was arrested for the murder of 21-year-old stephanie flores who died on the fifth anniversary of natalie's disappearance. he was convicted in 2012 and has been serving a 28-year prison sentence. beth holloway talking to savannah in 2015. >> does it feel like justice to you that he is in jail right now, even if not for the killing of your daughter? >> justice is being served for stephanie, but until joran faces extortion charges in the u.s., then justice is not being served for natalie. >> now, we did reach out to van der sloot u.s. attorney, and haven't heard back. we're still waiting on the timing of the extradition and a court hearing here in the u.s. >> i can't imagine what it's like to be natalie holloway's

parents and have this lingering for all these decades now, thank you, kristen dahlgren for that reporting. joining us again is former u.s. attorney joyce vance, you have a personal connection to this case. you were involved in initial prosecution and investigation dating back to 2010. remained us of your history with this case and your reaction to this new development. >> well, that's right, ana, in 2010 my former office, the united states attorney's office for the northern district of alabama indicted joran van der sloot for extortion and wire fraud connected to his effort to get a quarter of a million dollars from natalie holloway's mom to reveal the location of her body, and he didn't do that. in fact, he gave some bad information to the family continuing the difficult situation that they were already in. because natalie holloway's body has never been recovered, there has never been murder charges in

alabama or anywhere else, but if joran van der sloot is returning to the united states to face these charges, that would be some form of justice for natalie. >> so he's being extradited here in connection with this fraud and extortion case. how much legal trouble is he facing, and do you think he'll ever face murder charges? >> well, the statutory maximum penalty for the wire fraud and extortion charges he faces is 20 years in custody. as we know, the actual sentences that defendants receive are lower under the sentencing guidelines, but he has significant prior criminal history here. he's in custody in peru. he was convicted of murdering stephanie flores, and that means that his guideline range is likely to be higher than a typical defendant who comes in. he could in essence be looking at spending the rest of his life in prison because although there could be a temporary extradition from peru, he has not finished

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>> i would do numerous things, for instance, schools, we would harden -- very much harden and also i'm a very believer -- i believe in teachers. i love teachers. many of these teachers are soldiers, ex-soldiers, expolicemen. 5% of the teachers would be more than you could ever have if you're going to hire security guards, but in addition to that have security guards and you have to harden your entrances. you have to make schools safe. >> what's your response to that? >> well, i ignored him last night, and i think america needs to ignore him going forward, but here's a response. i've been here since sunday meeting with every office, republican and democrat in the house and senate, and i've done a bit of media this week as well, and i've said all week stop listening to the liars. stop listening to donald trump. he's one of the liars. everything he said is factually false, and so i'll just say this, my daughter should be turning 20 in july.

20 years ago there were 200 million guns in america. today 2 years later there's over 400 million plus ghost guns. 20 years ago ar-15 sales were fewer than 2% of all guns sold. today they are 25% of all guns sold. that's everything you need to know to understand gun violence. the reason we wrote the book is to talk about how we got here, the lies and the myths that brought us here, and what we need to do going forward. >> i understand you're not listening to donald trump and you're urging people not to. too many people in his party are listening to him, and they're afraid to break with week and b office in the house and senate. while here the democrats actually invited me to come speak to the caucus. the republicans have walked by. they are so afraid of a base that for whatever reason has replaced facts with alternative facts and that's who they speak to now. i am tuning all of them out.

80% of america agrees with me. 80% of america wants to do something about gun violence. and any legislator who does not get connected with what the 80% of america wants, you're going to get voted out. the '24 election is the election to finally settle this, and i have the absolute belief, okay that americans are going to turn out in record numbers. listen, anna, this is a book about gun violence we wrote. it's not a novel. it's not a mystery, and it's one of the top-selling books in the country, and i say that because it just says americans want to understand how we got here in only 20 years and what we can do about it. >> i think that's the key, the last part there, and yet i think it's so frustrating because we keep banging our head on the walls as we cover the shootings and it's getting worse, not better, but this week in texas, days after that horrific shooting in allen where eight

died we did see rare gop votes in the state house of representatives in favor of a stricter gun law that would raise the purchase age of ar-style rifles in that case. how do you see it? is it a sign the tides are turning perhaps on the republican party's stance on gun control? >> well, it is a sign that there still are people in the republican party who really do value life, and who want to put the ability to stop the next shooting over and above the ability to support a lobby that profits off of the death of people like my daughter and so i am so thankful to those two republicans who did actually vote the way they did. we need more courage and more republicans like them. i don't think we're going to find it until the republicans in '24 take a shellacking and it becomes clear that it was because of this issue.

>> fred guttenberg, i just had to say i'm so sorry for your loss. i can't being in your shoes as a parent and losing my own children to gun violence, but it is a tragic thing that hangs in the back of my mind because of where we're seeing gun violence happening everywhere now, and i appreciate you taking time to discuss today. thank you. >> thank you. >> up next on "ana cabrera reports," the national covid health emergency is over but are you safe to let your guard down? ? one dose of ubrelvy quickly stops migraine in its tracks within 2 hours. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. most common side effects were nausea and tiredness. ask about ubrelvy, the anytime, anywhere migraine medicine.

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today marks the official end of the national emergency declared in response to the covid pandemic, which, of course, allowed the feck to take those sweeping steps to fight the virus and even provide free covid-related health services and in so many ways we returned to the way they were before the pandemic far away from the frightening early days of lockdown but with more than

1.1 million people killed by this virus so many families are still grieving those lost and many are still dealing with long-term symptoms of their own. joining us now is dr. van gupta, a pull mow knoll gist and msnbc contributor. this is the end of the emergency declaration but know the virus isn't gone, so as we look forward, what can we expect? are the covid shots going to be yearly like the flu shots? >> ana, thanks for highlighting this. what i would say is if you're medically higher risk, expect and that's if you have an underlying condition like being on dialysis or underlying heart or lung disease, if you're on cancer treatment, you're probably going to get two shots a year or recommended to get that just as we continue to learn more. it's really only been three years and feels longer than that. we still have a lot to learn so expect that the fda will continue to recommend more shots for those who are very medically high risk.

for the rest of us, though, that are otherwise healthy without any significant medical co-morbidities that one shot a year for the foreseeable future. >> what about long covid, dr. gupta? the cdc estimated in march just this past march about 6% of u.s. adults or about 16 million people were experiencing long covid. it's still so much of a mystery. what do we know about long covid? >> you know, there's still a lot to learn here, unfortunately, there is not yet a treatment, ana, for somebody who has long covid. the syndrome of chronic symptoms like brain fog, fatigue, it is quite disabling for those who are experiencing it, still a lot to learn as you pointed out. we don't have a clear treatment yet. these are being studied and a cause of lot of frustration for patients experiencing this set of symptoms, so it remains to be seen. i'll state to provide care services for this group of individuals, lots of investments for health systems because you

need rehab services and cardiology services in some cases, pulmonary service, neurocognitive rehabilitation capabilities so there's a lot here, demand for these services far greater than supply so a lot needs to be done in addition to knowledge acquisition. >> at the end of the day, is the u.s. better prepared for the next pandemic? >> i think across the board, there is a feeling here that we have not learned the lessons of the last three years here. the all hazards and pandemic reauthorization act is being currently considered by congress. hopefully that gets reauthorized. we need critical awareness of what went wrong here in terms of better tests, better communication, i know these things are being worked on here but hard to say we're in better footing than we were in december of 2019 and live in an era of epidemics and potential pandemics, that's just the era we live in and it's critical. >> dr. van gupta, thank you very

much for being a voice of reason and guidance for us, thank you so much. let's head back to the southern border now where our colleague, jose diaz-balart, is anchoring his show, jose, you arrived there recently. you've been there many times before. what strikes you as you are now taking in what's happening there? >> reporter: ana, good morning. the bells are ringing in sacred heart church. there are literally hundreds of people, men, women and children who have made probably the most dangerous trek you can imagine to try and get here and try to ask for asylum. that has not been possible for many for so many years because of title 42. that will change. we'll talk about that in just moments. ana, thank you. >> thank you, jose. go ahead. and good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific, 9:00 a.m. here in el paso, texas, i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin this hour with