chicago is better for us so we can study, the children can study. you going to speak english? say thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> hello. >> hello. >> thank you for being with us. that wraps up the hour for me. i will see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the end of title 42, creating a chaotic new normal at the southern border, as tens of thousands of migrants believe they now have a free pass to enter the u.s. >> why do we have this chaos and confusion at the border?

>> savannah, the answer is very, very clear. we are operating within the constraints of a broken immigration system. >> we will have all the details coming up with updates from texas to california. is there a glimmer of hope for a last-minute debt ceiling deal? what does the postponement of today's white house talks mean for avoiding the fiscal cliff? former marine daniel penny now facing a second degree manslaughter charge for putting a homeless man in a fatal chokehold for at least several minutes on a new york city subway train after what some parents described as aggressively threatening behavior by 30-year-old jordan neely. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. the biden administration is trying to maintain the political fallout amidst an outcry of criticism that it failed to prepare early enough for the end

of title 42. >> why not delay the expiration of title 42 until you are ready to handle it? >> title 42 is a public health authority, the public health emergency has ended. we have been preparing for this moment for more than a year and a half. i have been very clear that it's going to be challenging, but we do have a plan. >> joining me now is guad venegas in san diego and julia ainsley in el paso, texas. julia, to you. while the policy part of the issue plays out in the courts and in washington, we are getting a closer look at what these migrants have been going through. you have been reporting on that. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i'm inside a migrant shelter in el paso. this is one reserved for families with children. i see newborn babies here. the person who operates this operates two others in the area.

he saw over 100 migrants come in last night when title 42 was lifted. they were processed by border patrol and dropped off here. look behind me. we have children sleep on the floor. they are under blankets. a crib, things up against the wall. these are the belongings they brought on their journey. a lot of the migrants have been spoken to are from columbia and venezuela. columbia may take back some of the migrants, venezuela will not. the u.s. will run out of options. they will have to push them back into mexico or if they can't be taken back into mexico, they could be released. that's because, a, venezuela won't take them back and with 42 going away, more can claim asylum. it could be the numbers build and build over the next few days. i would describe the scene as crowded but not utter chaos, at least from where i'm standing. >> guad, we heard this morning

from a san diego county representative that there are thousands more migrants at the border than what they are used to seeing, that's in the last couple of days. guad, can you hear me? >> reporter: we do have larger numbers here. we have a problem with connectivity here. i was able to hear with some delay. there are larger numbers than what they are used to here in san diego. this is the main camp that began forming three to four days ago. every day it has been larger. border patrol has been processing them faster. you can see they are lined up right now. these are lines that border patrol will arrange them in. they have wristbands to identify who arrived the earliest. when it comes to the numbers, border patrol told us there are processing facilities that are at capacity. they are trying to move as fast as possible to process the migrants who if allowed to go in the united states and go through

the process will go to the shelters. this morning, i spoke to the ceo of catholic charities. they operate three of eight shelters in san diego. just so you can understand the numbers, the people they are seeing -- on average, i was told they see three to 700 on some days, they are dropped off at the shelter to be helped, to be transported to their sponsor or other places in the country. yesterday, they saw 1,200. today that number could be larger. they are almost at 85% capacity. they tell me then they have to select certain vulnerable individuals to be those that have priority. families and children. when the system is saturated and if they release more migrants than shelters can take in, the next will be dropped off with absolutely no help. that's when it becomes chaotic.

they can end up on the street. >> julia and guad, thanks for starting us off. i want to bring in former maryland lieutenant governor michael steele. michael, there are both republican and democratic leaders at the state and local level who say they are being overwhelmed by the arrival of the migrants, before title 42 even expired. >> this is what a year and a half of planning looks like? that's the problem. you have to have a better system in place knowing that there is a sunset in front of you with respect to how you execute immigration policy in the country. the lifting of title 42 changes the game. we have known that for a long time. so the fact that you have got this now pressure cooker forming at the nation's border,

politically, does not create a good narrative for the administration. it doesn't matter what the secretary says at this point, because we are looking at the images. we are hearing the narratives and the stories of these individuals. we are also having to reconcile, to your point, andrea, what legislators and governors and communities are having to deal with along these borders. it's not one of those things that's blown up. but you sit back and you go, is there a better way this could have been done to avoid scenes like this knowing a year and a half ago this is what today would look like? >> i want to point out that they have today gotten the vote of confidence from the mexican foreign minister. relations have not always been so great. saying he is seeing that 100,000 applications for appointments have been granted by the u.s. on

the app for migrant, for visa applications. that's a start. if the app is going to work. >> yeah. that's a very good point. it is an important start. that cooperation between mexico and the u.s. right now, the u.s. technologically being able to facilitate the movement of these people and the processing. that's the critical piece here. we are talking about processing thousands of individuals in a short span of time. so that cooperation and communication between our country and mexico is critical. particularly when you have players like venezuela who are refusing to help facilitate and to ease some of the burden to their north. this is an important step. but again, when you pull the lens back, you have images like

this. that's where the political narrative for the administration becomes tougher. >> let me play also this key exchange from a really great interview savannah guthrie did with the dhs secretary today about the president's past comments on this subject. >> does the president bear some responsible for the surge we are seeing? i want to play you a piece of something he said during the campaign back in 2019. take a listen. >> all those people are seeking asylum. they deserve to be heard. that's who we are. we are a nation that says if you want to flee and you are fleeing oppression, you should come. >> mr. secretary, they came. they are sitting outside along our border right now. it is cold at night. it is sizzling hot during the day. there's dust. there are children. they came. did that messaging encourage people to make this crossing? >> what encouraging people to make the crossing is the false

information, the lies the smuggling organizations communicate. that's what makes these people take the dangerous journey. they are deceived into doing so. >> is this going to follow him through the campaign? >> it will. the reality is a campaign is one thing, governing is something different. that's where the words that you said as a candidate come back to haunt or make it a little bit easier when you are president. i think joe biden is finding that out right now. >> michael steele, thank you very much. >> you got it. coming up next, signs of progress. today's white house meeting on the debt limit postponed. congress is leaving town. could this delay actually be a positive signal? jim heims joins us in 60 seconds. don't go away. you are watching msnbc.

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congress is not in session today. they have gone home for the weekend. most members leaving washington without any agreement on raising the debt ceiling. today's white house meeting between the president and the speaker, the planned meeting has been postponed until next week at the earliest, leaving few days left to prevent a full-blown crisis on june 1st, if not before. there are hints of progress between the white house and congressional aides over the last few days to possibly pair a debt ceiling increase with a budget deal to claw back unspent covid money and cap future spending at some level, among other cuts. joining us now is democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut. thank you very much. the budget today is backing the treasury's deadline, congressional budget office. is this dual track pairing the debt ceiling with a budget agreement some way of parallel -- it may be a short-term extension.

is that some way out? >> long run, no, it's not. i have been around long enough that i have seen crisis after crisis associated with the debt ceiling. the debt ceiling is something that has been around for decades. it has never done anything at all to reduce the growth of american debt on your democratic, on your republican president. every couple of years -- it's when you have a republican majority in the house or senate, the republicans use it as a hostage taking tool. we need to get rid of this grenade that gets put on the table and be responsible and pass budgets that actually address the deficit over time. i'm worried about this. i don't think that there is a deal that the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, can make with the president and the senate, two democratic entities, and take it back to his house majority and not put his speakership in jeopardy. i must say, i hope the

conversations are going on, but i'm not optimistic at this point. >> let me play what he had to say yesterday about all this. >> the staff has met the last two days. we think it's productive for the staff to meet again. i have not seen from there a seriousness of the white house that they want to deal. it seems like they want to default more than they want to deal. >> to your point, you don't think he has enough running room with his caucus when he has four or five votes to play with there. >> what an irony that he said default. in the meeting with schumer and mcconnell and the president, he was the one guy in the room who did not take default off the table. mcconnell said under no circumstances will there be a default. the reason he is not doing that is because he understands he has leverage. we should think about that. the leverage is, if you don't do what i can't get passed in normal course, i am going to blow up the global economy. i would submit that's not a good

way for either party to achieve aims it can't accomplish under the normal course of legislation in the congress. the math is, let's imagine there's a deal to claw back unspent covid funds, but the president is never going to agree to the trashing of the climate change measures that were passed in the ira. now kevin mccarthy is in a very difficult role of going back to the republican majority and saying, this is not anything like the deal that we passed in the house. in order to avoid a catastrophe, you need to pass it. the next sentence after that is 20, 30, 40 republicans saying, you are not speaker anymore. >> let me switch to something that would normally be a major story if we didn't have the rest of this going on. the cia taking steps, it says, to improve how sexual assault cases are handled after a female employee whistle-blower told your committee about an alleged

abuse against women officers, including herself. she claimed a cia co-worker assaulted her. no one did anything about that complaint. the cia director, highly regarded, now promising review and the appointment of a psychologist to oversee sexual assault complaints, a veteran -- a military veteran, to handle these complaints. are you satisfied with the steps taken and what more needs to be done? >> well, andrea, it's a start. there is an investigation by my committee, the intelligence committee, under way. i don't want to front run that. i will tell you that it is my belief that the cia -- an unbelievably competent organization. i visited cia all over the world. they do remarkable things. it is clear that cia has been slow to address not just instances of sexual abuse inside the agency, but quite frankly -- i am going to tell you why i say this in a moment.

a culture of macho culture which hasn't taken this seriously. i sat in a room yesterday with abigail spanberger who was a cia officer. she just told a remarkable story about a macho culture in the cia. you understand why. but that doesn't excuse the fact that it creates an environment in which sexual harassment and sexual -- ultimately sexual assault may not be taken as seriously as it should. i will conclude by saying is the director of cia is dead serious about working with us to address that issue. >> thank you for that. we will stay on this. of course, the person in charge of the whole intelligence community, 17 agencies, is a woman. there's greater sensitivity to that now at the top level. thanks to you and your colleagues on the intelligence committee. a former marine involved in the death of jordan neely

surrendering to police and is being arraigned today. the latest from manhattan coming up next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. on mc

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train and he began an aggressive speech saying he was hungry, didn't care about anything, didn't care about going to jail. his death has been ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. that's not a legal charge. he was not immediately charged, sparking protests by many advocates for the homeless. neely's family attorney speaking to the media today. >> unfortunately, when you are dealing with the mental illness, sometimes you decide to pull away. people look at that and say, where is his family, where is his support? i want you to know that his family supported him. you can look at this photo and see any of us in this picture. >> joining me now is rehema ellis from outside the courthouse in lower manhattan, former u.s. attorney joyce vance. rehema, what happened at the arraignment? >> reporter: this arraignment happened just shortly after

noon. we understand that he went into the courtroom, daniel penny, the 24-year-old former marine. he was wearing handcuffs when he went in. i believe we have video of him coming out when he did not have -- his hands were not cuffed. bail has been set at $100,000. penny himself put up $6,000. his parents guaranteed the entire bond. if he is convicted of this charge of second degree manslaughter, he could face up to 15 years in prison in terms of a maximum sentence. we want to share with you a statement that came from daniel penny's attorney not so long ago. we have it full screen. one of the things that the

family was saying is that they wanted this moment, this moment where daniel penny would be held accountable for the death of their loved one, jordan neely, inasmuch as he would be charged. he has been charged and he has been arraigned. >> joyce vance, how important is the video from the subway? how long is in dispute? how long did the chokehold take? there have been reports it was longer than just a few minutes. we don't see all of it. we have no way to answer that question. you have people saying that this former marine is a good samaritan, helping fellow passengers. had no way to judge what the threat level was. others saying it was excessive force and that the city and others have failed the homeless and mentally challenged. >> the video will be an important supplement for witness testimony. as we discussed in the past, when you are looking at homicide as a crime, there's a bright

line that's drown between murder and manslaughter, depending on what the defendant's intent was. murder is an intentional killing. manslaughter is reckless killing, reckless activity that results in a death when the defendant should have been aware it would have. an interesting aspect of this charge is that this is a complaint brought by the district attorney. he will have to return to his grand jury and ask them to charge. that charge could go up to murder, depending on what the evidence, including the tape reveals, or it could be reduced. >> rehema, is there a push in new york city to do more about the homeless and people who get lost in the cracks, like mr. neely? >> reporter: there absolutely is. that was going on before this tragic incident.

even in an effort to try and keep -- make the subways a safer place for people to commute from one place to another. the new york city police department, the mayor's office had placed more transit police officers inside the subways. the governor of new york, kathy hochul, says she will appropriate $1 billion towards homeless services to help people who have mental illness. some people say it's not enough. the problem is so intense and so widespread. authorities say it's a beginning. >> thanks so much to you, rehema ellis. joyce, stay with us. we need more legal advice. digging in the dirt. what did donald trump say in that town hall that could open him up for more legal trouble ahead? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." that's next just in a few minutes after these brief messages right here on msnbc. td can be caused by some mental health meds. and it's unlikely to improve without treatment.

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e. jean carroll and her attorneys say they may sue donald trump for the third time after he dismissed and belittled her at a cnn town hall wednesday night, calling her a quote whack job, a day after a jury found him liable for sexual assault and defamation of her. she slammed the former president's comments as vile and telling "the new york times," i am upset on behalf of young men in america. they cannot listen to this, which is a caveman view.

joining me is susan page, sam stein and joyce vance, who is still with us. joyce, i know you know e. jean carroll. you were friends for a long time before this happened. i want to put that out there. can she sue the former president for the third time based on his public statements? >> she can sue. i think the question here is more of a tactical one. because trump's comments were made in new hampshire, the lawsuit would have to be brought there. she's already been compensated for damages to her reputation. of course, she could still seek punitive damages here. when you think about a situation like that where you have someone who is in essence held accountable by a jury for defamation and then turns right around and makes those same comments in a public forum, perhaps a second lawsuit is

merited. of course, it seems like an enormous burden to put on the shoulder of one woman the grotesque behavior of donald trump when it comes to women. >> does it have any impact on his appeal? the prospects for his appeal, perhaps -- >> it won't. the appeal will be based on the trial record and whether or not the judge committed any error, for instance, whether the judge admitted evidence or withheld evidence that should have been admitted. these later comments don't have much impact on the issues on appeal, if any. >> when it comes to the political damage, susan page, donald trump landed the nomination and presidency in 2016, even after those vile comments about -- on the "access hollywood" tape about women. why would voters' attitudes be different in 2024? >> the attitude among his core

supporters, not different. just in recent weeks, polling has shown donald trump getting stronger for the republican nomination, despite various controversies, including those over gender. in a general election, does this hurt him among suburban voters, women, young people? that is something that democrats think is a very real prospect for him. >> joyce, legally, he also made claims in that town hall about his alleged right, which he doesn't have, to take those classified documents from the white house. legally, he doesn't have that right. he contradicted his lawyers who had affirmed that the taking of the documents was an oversight, not deliberate. he didn't fully shut down the suggestion that he could have shown classified documents in his possession at mar-a-lago to

other people. >> why did you take those documents with you? >> i had every right to under the presidential records action. you have the presidential records act. i was there and i took what i took. >> when it comes to your documents, did you show those to anyone? >> not really. i would have the right to. they were declassified after -- >> what do you mean by not really? >> not that i can think of. i have the right to do whatever i want with them. i have the right. >> no, he did not, as was pointed out to him by caitlyn collins. what does jack smith do with this? >> it's great evidence if you are jack smith. i think for us -- jack knows what evidence he has. for us, the viewing public, there's a strong suggestion here that trump believes the special counsel will be able to prove he showed some of thelassified items to other people. that, of course, is something he is not permitted to do. it's a violation of the espionage act and a serious one.

what trump is doing is he is trying to force his interpretation of the law on to other people. that's not how criminal cases work, even if he were truly ignorant of the law, it would not be a defense in a case like this. we are held accountable for understanding the law. this sort of ignorance is not any sort of a get out of jail free card. of course, with trump and with his lawyers making contradictory statements saying that some of the materials were accidentally moved to mar-a-lago and kept in storage without anyone being aware of them, that contradiction will be damaging if this case is argued to a jury. >> finally back to the politics, sam. donald trump and ron desantis are going to be in iowa tomorrow. we hear desantis is within weeks of announcing himself. the desantis campaign is in waiting and insists the republican party is ready to move on from donald trump. there's no proof or no evidence

of that in the polls so far. >> no. if anything, i think a recent poll showed they are rallying around donald trump. we will see what happens when the governor -- when governor desantis formally announced and how he approaches this matter. clearly, he has a big choice ahead of him. does he take trump on directly, or does he hope trump flames out and he gets the benefit of it? we saw a tactical shift from the super pac went after trump for living in the past, losing the 2020 election. they say it's time to move on. those were direct contrasts they drew. it's different, as you know, if it comes from a super pac versus the candidate himself. as you recall, desantis did slightly criticize donald trump over the separate case involving stormy daniels. said he would not know what to do if he were involved in a

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as title 42 comes to an end, the influx of migrants is stretching far beyond the southern border. straining resources across the country. tom llamas shows us, major cities are feeling the impact. >> reporter: in el paso, many residents are fed up, saying their city has been taken over. >> i understand everybody wants a better future. they are taking everything from us. >> reporter: the issue is not just impacting the border. in chicago, immigrants are sleeping in a police station. in denver, it's a parking overwhelming this intake center. >> there's nowhere else to go. >> reporter: mayor eric adams at war with the suburbs where he is shipping migrants to hotels, blaming the biden administration for city running out of shelter space. >> the national government turned its back on new york

city. >> joining me now is the president and ceo of the international rescue committee and former british foreign secretary. david, you are back from visiting the border in arizona. what did you see and hear from your staff and the migrants they are helping there? >> good afternoon, andrea. i have been in phoenix. the story there shows that migration can be managed. it can be managed in a humane and efficient way as long as the appropriate measures are put in place. to be clear, the experience in arizona is not a single asylum seeker has been sent on to the streets, despite over 100,000 arri arriving. there's proper processing. there's effective screening. there's proper medical attention where appropriate and care. there's transport arrangements. the bulk of people do have relatives in other parts of the u.s. to whom they are going to be joining.

i think that there's a very clear message from my visit, which is that you don't have to be cruel to achieve order. what you can do and what you have to do -- there are responsibilities on the countries to put in places that sort out those who have a claim from those who don't and care for those who have a claim and can't go back home and return those who aren't able to stay. >> we see people leaving for reasons of desperation, violence, gang violence, poor economic conditions throughout the region. that is not being abated. we had one image, which was so compelling, of a man with an open suitcase with an infant, holding the suitcase over his head as he crossed the rio grande. the humanity of that. cries out for solutions, david.

>> yes, i think you are right to say there have to be solutions at the root in the northern triangle and along the route, mexico, and on the u.s. side of the border. if you work on the u.s. side of the border only, you won't get to the problem. that's why organizations like mine work in el salvador and mexico. the bulk of the people is to stay at home. if they can't stay at home, then they have to get to safety. there are legal and moral obligations on countries like the u.s. the people i met in phoenix -- one was from el salvador. she had been threatened. her children had been threatened. those are real conditions that are causing people to flee. there's a short-term pressure for the u.s. to respond to, to the symptoms of this. but there are longer term issues that require a more thorough engagement with countries to the south.

>> how is the rest of the world looking at the u.s.? the world has been gripped with a refugee crisis. obviously, europe with the war in ukraine. southern europe as well with refugees from northern africa and subsaharan africa. now they see the united states in this crisis. >> sorry to interrupt. i can bring some of the expertise of the international rescue committee from around the world. there's good practice and there's bad practice. good practice in uganda or germany. very different countries in terms of their wealth. consistent in the way they treat with humanity and also with order the people who come across the border. there's bad practice. the uk got i'm sad to say is demonizing the people trying to get to the uk. not just processing their cases far away in uganda -- in rwanda but trying to but actually sending them there. there's also some practice

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senator tommy tuberville is now facing criticism over a recent interview in which he appeared to defend white nationalists. the comments came when the alabama republican was being interviewed by a birmingham based radio station when he was criticized -- when he criticized president biden's move to get white nationalists out of the military, something the military has acknowledged is a problem. when asked whether he believes that white nationalists should be allowed in the military, senator tuberville replied, quote, that's what they call them. i call them americans. when he was asked to clarify those comments, here's what

tuberville told reporters. >> what is a white nationalist? >> someone who propagates naziism, someone who doesn't believe that black and brown people are equals. >> you think a white nationalist is a nazi? >> well, that is one of their beliefs. >> well, i don't look at it like that. >> how do you look at it? >> i look at a white nationalist as a trump republican, that's what we're called all the time, a maga person. that's what i'm just -- >> do you agree with that characterization? >> i agree that we should not be characterizing trump supporters as white nationalists. >> something that has not been done contrary to what he said. joining us now is former maryland congresswoman donna edwards and former florida congressman david jolly, both msnbc political analysts. so david, tutuberville's office has tried to clarify telling nbc news he has a sarcastic sense of

humor and he was expressing doubt about white nationalism being a problem in the military. the military is addressing a problem with some members of these valiant volunteer soldiers being white nationalists as part of the population. >> yeah, i'm not sure that was an alabama senator trying to be humorous. i think he was expressing an opinion and an ideology, and an ideology, andrea, that would take us back to the late south carolina senator strom thurman. the difference is strom thurman ran for president in 1948, and it is now 75 years later and you have a southern senator embracing this notion of white nationalism as a mainstream ideology, and i think that's the most dangerous part of this, which is we are in a political moment in the united states where white nationalism is becoming more acceptable as something to be defended and, frankly, the republican party writ large is giving comfort to that. i think that is what you saw in tommy tuberville's comments, unfortunately. >> and donna, that's not the only problem with senator

tuberville, we're in the third month of senator tuberville blocking every single high level military promotion in the united states in protest over the pentagon's policy espoused by lloyd austin, the defense secretary to ensure all military personnel or women in the military can obtain medical care, critical obstetric medical care that they need, gynecological exams and the like as well as abortions now that roe v. wade has been overturned by going and getting the money from the defense budget to travel to a state where they can see ob/gyns. so defense secretary austin has condemned this. we've heard from senator shaheen, from senator warren, others on the armed services committee arguing that his hold on military promotions is basically delaying the confirmation of all our general and flag officers, hundreds of general and flag officers who cannot be promoted, and it's

affecting national security. donna. >> well, the threat to national security is a real one. when you can't have the military promotions allowing service members to transition from one duty station to the next duty station, that is really impacting our national security, and so tuberville is an outlier here. i mean, look, he has held up issues regarding the military around transgender rights, around abortion and other gynecological care, and then of course these statements on identifying with white nationalists. and i think this is one of the faults, you know, david and i both come from the house, but the fact that one senator can be -- stand in the by of our national security interests is unconscionable, and so, you know, look, i'm in favor of the senate of mitch mcconnell who's also already expressed his

concern about military readiness with tuberville's hold, and you know, the senate has to move around him because, you know, one of the things about the military, andrea, is that when these transitions happen, they happen at this time, families can get settled, and therefore you don't impact readiness. so tuberville is an outlier and he really needs to be put down in in sense. >> donna edwards has the last word and david jolly, thanks to both of you. a few very personal thoughts about mother's day this sunday. celebrating all of you who are mothers and all of our mothers on this day and other days. i am filled with gratitude for the resilience and wsdom of my mother cecile. she was gutsy in an era when that was not always valued.

she had very simple advice to me, in later years television broadcasts. take a moment and take a deep breath. that's good advice. truth is no matter what we are doing, our mothers are always with us so to all of you and to the mothers on my great team of producers, which there are many, have a great mother's day weekend, and that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online, on facebook, and on twitter @mitchellreports and make sure to watch inside with jen psaki this sunday on mother's day and she's a mother of two at noon eastern among her guests republican governor chris sununu. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. hope and desperation in the faces of migrants crowded at the border, thousands