cities, what the end of the covid era title 42 policy looks like from san diego, california, just a few miles outside of tijuana, and in el paso, texas, where one middle school turned into a migrant shelter is already housing more than 100 people. a new update from that city's mayor. plus, at a breaking point, thousands of miles from those border cities, chicago, one of several american cities already under a state of emergency tied to the influx of migrants arriving from texas, and one community organizer says it's about to get even harder. all of that raising the stakes for the biden administration, how the federal government is responding to all of this right now as they face a new legal challenge over part of their strategy to relieve the backlog of cases just a handful of hours before the policy officially expired. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we begin at the border in san diego.

guad venegas, tell us what's happening where you are. >> reporter: chris, we have this camp that has been here for days, the camp has been growing in numbers, but border patrol has also been picking up as many asylum seekers as they can. so every day they arrive in vans and buses. they take them in groups of 20, sometimes in groups of 50. we were told the last large group was picked up earlier this morning, and we now see i think the biggest change today, chris, is more women and children. in the first few days of course the group was smaller, and we didn't have as many women and children as we can see now. there's also a second camp with all men that is about a mile west of us towards the ocean. i spoke with one of the men that came down from that camp to charge his phone. there's ngos that will charge phones and help them with food. he told me that camp is even larger than this one. we haven't seen a large mass of

people arriving after title 42 was lifted. what we've seen, chris, is the same numbers day after day, so it is slowly growing, but also border patrol is slowly taking in some of these migrants for processing. we also know that the shelters in san diego are almost at capacity. these are the shelters that we see the asylum seekers that have been granted permission to remain in the u.s. while they continue through that process. and it's important to keep in mind, chris, that under the new immigration policy, vhs secretary mayorkas said individuals who arrive at the border or arrive in the u.s. not using a legal pathway will not be eligible for asylum, so under that policy now that title 42 has been lifted, all of the individuals that we have in places like this camp and in texas and other parts of the u.s./mexico border would be ineligible for asylum if they're changing things or the way they process these migrants this morning now that title 42 has been lifted, chris.

>> guad venegas, thank you for your ongoing reporting. we appreciate it, and if we go about 700 miles east from where guad is to el paso, texas, the first group of more than 100 migrants released from customs and border patrol have started filling a former middle school. nbc's brie jackson is there. i understand the mayor and other officials, emergency officials have just updated the situation. what did they have to say? >> reporter: good afternoon, chris. well, they said partly what they've been saying for the past couple of days, they are prepared for the unknown, and that's what they're getting. they do not know how many migrants are going to be here or coming here. they don't know how long they'll be staying. this is something they have been prepared for. i've been standing outside of gate 40, which is right here. this is the el paso, texas, and mexico border. what we've seen so far, four empty dhs buses, they've gone down to the gate a couple of miles down the road to pick up migrants.

we haven't seen any of them come through this particular gate yet, but the city has been preparing for this moment for quite some time. we've seen a crowd of immigrants at local shelters here, shelters are working with the mayor and other officials to try to support the influx that they are expecting, even before title 42 was lifted, they already declared a state of emergency here. they knew what -- they knew that they were going to see an increase in migrants coming, so the city says they have been prepared for us, and here's a listen to the update that the mayor was giving. >> we know that there's more going to be coming. we know this is just the beginning, so we are prepared, and that's what we've been preparing for. we've been preparing for what i keep saying, the unknown. the unknown is what's coming behind. how will we know what's coming behind, and how do we prepare is by always making sure that we're available and work hand in hand with all our partners. i think the city of el paso has

done that very well. >> reporter: so what have they done really well or very well as the mayor is saying, they have tried to work with local organizations to make sure there's shelter space and support available. they did use that -- or they are using that vacant middle school to try to house migrants as they continue to come into the city. but there is still a lot of uncertainty. there's a sense of uncertainty here of how many will end up coming here. this is going to be a slow process, and they know that more migrants will come in the coming days. this is something that the city of el paso continues to brace for, chris. >> brie jackson, thank you for that. thousands of miles away in chicago, city officials, community members and those on the front lines of this crisis are sounding the alarm over what's to come. nbc's shaquille brewster is there for us. what's the biggest concern on the ground right there in chicago, shaq? >> reporter: chris, officials are saying it's a lack of housing, a lack of places to safely place these migrants.

chicago has received about 8,000 migrants since late august when this busing program from texas began under governor greg abbott. well, they are currently receiving migrants at a pace of 100 to 200 migrants every day. the problem is the shelters are already over capacity. so that set off a scramble to convert churches, other facilities, warehouses like the one i'm in right now, to convert them into places that can house migrants, this is a makeshift shelter that's being run privately right now before the city gives its official approval. that is a concern you're hearing from so many people on the ground. mayor lightfoot saying they're at the brink. you have local officials trying to help, trying to scramble, really raising those warning flags. listen to what we're hearing. >> it's going to get real, like it's already hard. it's going to get harder. >> we are in a breaking point, yeah, absolutely, especially after, you know, now that the

title 42 was being lifted. so there's a breaking point, so this is not only local, this is also international. >> reporter: in many of these cities where migrants are now being bussed or flown, you're hearing a frustration, a real frustration with texas governor greg abbott. abbott in a letter to mayor lightfoot, if chicago is struggling to handle 8,000 migrants, just imagine what border communities are dealing with, getting about 10,000 migrants each day. well, officials here are saying that's not a legitimate argument, that the infrastructure is not here in chicago, that they're not receiving the federal funding that those border communities are facing. they say they want to help people who are coming to chicago. they just don't have the resources and the time to scale up to meet that need. >> shaq, thanks so much, we appreciate that. in the meantime, there's a lot of pressure on the federal government for what's to come, how they're going to handle it.

julia ainsley is also in el paso, what have you been able to find out? >> reporter: i'm here in downtown, el paso, where families, even newborn babies are sleeping on the floor as shelters are pushed past capacity. in fact, the shelter operator who owns three shelters in this area told me that last night over 100 migrants that crossed after title 42 were pushed over to his shelters, probably because the border patrol processing centers are now too crowded. dhs officials say things are basically going as they had assumed it would including getting legal challenges. as you know, the florida attorney general challenged the new memo sent to border patrol telling them to release migrants without court dates and without a way to track them if those processing centers got too full. now they have a temporary restraining order lasting 14 days, and so they're worried if these places become too full, they might not be able to release them. they do think they will ultimately win this, but right now they're not allowed to take that measure for 14 days.

secretary of homeland security alejandro mayorkas was on "morning joe" this morning. here's what he had to say. >> very harmful ruling attacking a practice that prior administrations have used. it's not new. let me share with you what happens. first of all, the majority of individuals will be removed, when a border patrol facility is overcrowded, we screen and vet the individuals in our custody, and then we release them for them to go into immigration enforcement proceedings. >> the department of justice is considering its options. >> so mayorkas defending that policy and saying that the migrants who would be released are a small number and they would be carefully vetted. meanwhile, there's another lawsuit from the aclu challenging the biden administration for being too strict on migrant thes. there's a new policy requiring migrants to apply for asylum in a country they passed through on the way to the southern border.

if they didn't claim asylum in mexico and have that didn't there, they wouldn't be eligible to apply at the u.s. border. the aclu is challenging that. it could be another challenge that would keep the biden administration from being able to act out the plans that it had in place for title 42 lifting. another thing dhs officials are saying, even with these plans, even if they could go forward with all of them, when the numbers simply get to be too high, they're going to be forced to release more migrants and it could overwhelm cities like el paso. >> julia ainsley, thank you so much. the corruption investigation into new jersey senator bob menendez deepens, who federal investigators are looking to question now. that in 60 seconds. question now that in 60 seconds (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. oh, hello! hi! do you know that every load of laundry could be worth as much as $300? really?

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from the owners of a halal meat business. nbc's ken dilanian joins us with more. senator menendez has denied any wrongdoing, but what more can you tell us about these new developments? >> yeah, chris, this federal criminal investigation into senator menendez appears to be deepening with two sources telling our wnbc colleague jonathan dienst that a powerful new jersey mayor was among those who received a subpoena. the mayor's spokesperson said he would cooperate. this latest investigation into senator menendez stemmed in part from questions about whether he and his wife improperly took cash and gifts from the owner of a new jersey halal meat business. the senator has denied wrongdoing as have the company's owners. the justice department and the fbi have declined to comment. what's interesting is the two sources say these newly issued subpoenas are not about the meat company. these seek information about state legislative changes in new jersey, which suggest the fbi has opened a new front in this

probe. as for the meat company, one of the big questions is how it won an exclusive worldwide contract back in 2019 with egypt for islamic certification of imports. multiple sources say the senator's wife is friends with the company's owners. senator menendez, of course, chairs the foreign affairs committee which oversees billions of dollars in annual aid to egypt. this comes five years after menendez beat federal bribery charges in a separate case that ended in a hung jury with the justice department deciding not to retry him. the senator was admonished by the ethics committee which determined he broke senate rules and federal law. he won re-election to a third full term. >> thank you for that. and we have more legal news on capitol hill. newly indicted congressman george santos has confessed to theft in a deal to avoid prosecution in brazil. he was facing a potential criminal charge for using stolen checks to buy, among other things, a pair of sneakers was nbc's ali vitali joins us from

capitol hill. this comes of course just days after he pled not guilty here in the states to 13 felony counts. so what more can you tell us about this non-prosecution agreement he made with brazilian prosecutors? >> reporter: yeah, chris, it comes one day after he pled not guilty in that court in long island for the 13 indictment counts that we've been reporting on all week. santos now in this non-prosecution agreement in brazil for two forged checks, stolen checks in 2008, and you're right, one of the things that he bought at the time with those stolen checks were sneakers as a gift for a friend. now, this is something that's been going on, of course, for several years, in the courts in brazil. initially back in 2013 when he stopped responding to subpoenas trying to get him to come and testify or talk about this case in the courts. eventually the courts dropped it. then when he was elected to congress and all the hubbub began again, the brazilian courts started looking into this case once again, and now we see that santos is effectively going to pay about $5,000 to make this

now go away and start this non-prosecution agreement. but it's really one problem down, many, many more to go. we of course know that the bulk of his problems rest in those indictments that we've been talking about all week here, everything from lying to congress to fraudulent unemployment through covid checks. santos for his part has said that he's not guilty in those, and even here back in congress today has been vehement that he's going to fight these charges, taking a trumpian attack and calling them a witch hunt and also saying he thinks years from now he could be a chairman in congress, which is his way of saying he's planning on continuing to run for re-election, and he plans on being here for a while. as you and i have been talking about, that doesn't sit well with many of his colleagues. every freshman he came in with said they think he resigns. speaker mccarthy said he's not going to support santos' re-election bid. all of this still going to keep unfolding as santos is doubling,

tripling down even as the problems get worse in legal jeopardy for him. >> very close to the trumpian playbook, ali vitali, thank you so much. a focus group of georgia swing voters has one big ask for president biden heading into 2024. debate your primary opponents. why they say it might help in the long run. and the desantis versus disney battle escalates, we've got the revealing new audio next on "chris jansing reports."

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there are new questions today about whether president biden should debate his 2024 democratic primary challengers, even though they barely register in any polls. a new "axios" focus group in the key state of georgias who voted for trump in 2016 and biden in 2020, found that everyone on the panel thought biden should debate robert f. kennedy jr. or any other prominent challenger. now, yes, this group is a small sample but they're hardly alone. there has been criticism of the democratic national committee for not planning any debates from within the party including from former obama cabinet member julian castro who was on this program yesterday. >> the dnc, have a lot of respect for them, like a lot of people there but then deciding there will be no primary, no debate, i think they need to give joe biden a chance to get out there and show the american people what he can do.

>> joining us now "axios" political reporter alexia mccammond. great to have both of you here. this is nothing new, neither party has held primary debates when they're incumbent is in the white house since the '70s. so this would be actually a break with long tradition. so i'm very curious about what this focus group told you, why do they think biden needs to debate? >> yeah, and i appreciate you highlighting this and obviously the usual caveats that it's 11 voters. but in the past four focus groups we've done, the big thing that's come up is frankly biden's age and how that's a problem with voters more independent minded and looking more towards the person rather than the party. a lot of them want to see him debate rfk jr. or any other prominent democratic challenger who might jump in because they

say they want him to prove his mental fitness for office. not just him, anyone else on that stage. they also say if other folks are running for the same party, they want to know what those policy differences are, what the policy similarities are. these folks obviously voted for biden in 2020, they're not really interested in having him run again this time, so they're looking to an alternative, and that's in part why they want to see him go up against someone like rfk jr. >> in fact, alencia, let me read to you what "axios" says as a quote from one of the voters. i want whoever is representing me as a president to be able to put together thoughts and cohesive arguments without needing flash cards or something. i mean, voters apparently do need convincing. there was a yahoo poll this week, 65% say they were somewhat concerned about the president's health and mental acuity, 44% said they were very concerned, so i ask you, should team biden reconsider? >> i honestly do not think team biden should consider on the

debate piece. to the point you made earlier, we have not seen an incoming president running for re-election have a debate with his major party opponent -- >> we've also never had a president this age and a president with these kinds of questions about his age and mental acuity. >> sure, and i think that's a fair question, and biden has said it's a fair question, but the reality is debaing people on the same side is actually not going to strengthen the candidate. it tends to weaken the candidate, when the president -- let's be very honest, and we talked about this on this show and over the past few years, he's actually done a lot for this country in the first two years, in his first 100 days, right? obviously there are going to be a lot of holdups in congress given the republican majority right now. he did have an historic first two years. the president is going to prove some of these doubters wrong, as he continues to communicate

these policies and campaign across the country. the things that he cares about, the things that he is advocating for are actually the things that people care about from the economy, from gun control, from abortion rights, the list goes on, and so the reality is i think the democratic party listens to the polling but at the same time, understands biden is strong, and that's when he talks directly to the american people and not being a weakened opponent by people like rfk jr. who's not necessarily a very viable third-party candidate. >> let's talk about the possibility of a third-party candidate. the "axios" focus group also found in a hypothetical biden versus trump matchup, all but one voter said they'd pick biden. if the race were between those two and an independent moderate, all 11 said they'd consider voting for that third candidate. does biden need to keep this race a simple choice between himself and trump? are you worried? folks you talk to worried about

the real possibility of a third-party candidate that catches fire? i'm not talking about somebody who could win the presidency but somebody who could pull a lot of votes? >> listen, i think the conversation that a lot of people are having, and some of the conversations that i've been in is the reality of the issues that people care about. i think there are people that are making noise and talking about certain issues that voters are really concerned about. what my friends and the biden world are saying is that as soon as biden is out there doing what he does best, the retail politics and showing people not only what he has done, what he continues to believe in and contrasting that with the other side, the american people find more support for him, right? they will show up again. they showed that in not just 2020, but if we're talking specifically in georgia, look at what happened in 2022 with these special senate races, right? i think the american people as we're finding are understanding how our government works. yes, it is the president but it's also the senators. it's also the governors.

it's also all of the elected officials that make up what they need to win, and they'll be thinking about that going into the ballot box in 2024. >> i thought the focus group was fascinating. thanks for coming. alencia johnson, stay with me. i want to go to florida where the feud between disney and maybe the guy who's going to run against donald trump, ron desantis is heating up with governor desantis expected to enter the 2024 presidential race, disney's ceo bob iger is now accusing florida officials of retaliating against the company. nbc's gabe gutierrez joins alencia and i now. what's going on here now? this seems like it's a little bit of an escalation in this fight. >> certainly, chris, it's been escalating for quite a while. and now governor desantis is making a visit to iowa tomorrow, widely seen as one step closer to presidential run. his ongoing feud with disney is making new headlines. disney's ceo now suggesting that the company's plans to invest billions of dollars in florida

over the next decade could be in jeopardy. >> as speculation mounts over his potential run for president, florida's republican governor ron desantis is facing even more pushback from disney. on an earnings call with investors, disney's ceo bob iger responding when asked about the company's ongoing fight with the state of florida. >> this is about one thing and one thing only, and that's retaliaing against us for taking a position about pending legislation, and we believe that in us taking that position, we are merely exercising our right to free speech. >> while iger says disney still plans to investigation $17 billion over the next ten years, he pointedly asked this question. >> does the state want us to invest more, employ more people and pay more taxes or not? >> the battle began last year when disney opposed the parental rights in education act desantis signed that opponents labeled the don't say gay law. the policy banned teaching about

sexual orientation or gender identity in florida classrooms. desantis and florida legislators are now trying to get rid of disney's decades old deal allowing the company to govern itself. iger is accusing florida of unfairly targeting disney saying that many of the almost 2,000 other special districts in the state like those surrounding the daytona speedway and theville ages retirement community have not faced the same scrutiny. desantis is not backing down, telling news max. >> you can't have a situation where the legislature has spoken and one company just decides to contract out against the will of the people. at the end of the day, i think that they just have to understand the party is over for them. >> in conservative lake county, florida, some 40 miles from walt disney world, many tell us they support the governor. >> definitely on desantis's side. go woke, go broke. >> but other voters doubt whether desantis's rhetoric matches his record.

>> going around the country and now the world saying that florida is free, that he's made us more free. he hasn't made us more free. >> and governor desantis also just signed the transportation bill that gives the state authority to inspect disney's monorail system. so the saga continues, chris. >> gabe, thank you for coming. we appreciate it. so alencia, few florida governors would ever have dared to take on disney, none that i recall have. it is the state's iconic, one of the most powerful companies, but desantis's base seems to be on board. is this a winning strategy for him, do you think? >> well, i think we have to ask ourselves what actually is the win that he wants? does he wants to be the most extreme culture war leader of the republican, sure, yes. >> he wants to beat trump, that's what his goal is. he wants to be trump. >> he absolutely wants to be trump. that's going to be very hard. trump has a very large maga republican party base. we've seen the polling how he is

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the end of title 42 at midnight created a real test for the biden administration and exactly how they handle and

process the sheer volume of people looking to claim asylum in the coming days has wide ranging implications, humanitarian and political. punctuating that challenge is a statement from the chief of border patrol who says that there are at least 60,000 migrants in northern mexico right now with a goal of entering the u.s. i want to bring in former act k director of u.s. immigration and customs enforcement under the obama administration, so great of you to come on the program. we're already seeing a record number of border apprehensions in the days leading up to title 42 being lifted. now that it's gone, do you think we're ready? >> you know, chris, look, i think today has been a very good day for the administration, right? the administration had a plan here, one is to kind of identify these alternative pathways and try to push people away from the border and using these lawful pathways to make their asylum claim. at the same time they put a deterrent in there. that was a new asylum role. i think what we saw is despite

large expectations that today would see a massive surge, the surge began in the days leading up to the end of title 42 because the migrant populations were concerned about the new asylum rule. it's been one day but thus far it shows the plan has been working well. the numbers are a little bit down, and we're not getting those horrible images we don't want to see of overcrowded detention centers or individuals camped out on the streets. >> secretary mayorkas has been talking about the judge ruling that they could not have essentially a pressure valve that would release some of the concerns that are out there. and frankly, most of the people i've talked to said they feel prepared but there's a great uncertainty about what might happen in the coming days. somebody with more experience than 99.99% of the population, what are you going to be watching for in the coming days and what concerns do you have? >> i think there are a couple of concerns. the first one i would say is the administration rolled out a new asylum rule that says if you

transit through mexico and cross the border unlawfully, you're presumed ineligible for asylum in the u.s. that was the center piece of the administration's effort to slow the flow at the border. thus far that's been successful. the risky thing for them is there's a lawsuit filed challenging that by the aclu. if a court enjoins that new asylum rule, finds it unlawful, the administration's -- we're going to see a big uptick at the border. i also think the question is how long will this be sustained, and how much longer will the american public be okay with images like this? for the moment, a great day for the administration. they said they had a plan. thus far we're avoiding the images of chaos i think we all feared. then the question will be for how much longer does this flow continue, and how much longer do we deal with the surge? >> you know, when you say these pictures continue, and there have been times in recent memory where things that we've seen on the border, a child drowning, for example, have touched the american people. it didn't translate to congress.

do you worry at all that this has just sort of become part of the makeup, that when people see this, it's what they've been seeing for years, for decades, and without real pressure on congress from their constituents, this is what we're going to see year after year after year going forward. >> you know, chris, i've been clear without wholesale reform and immigration laws to include finally funding the asylum system, even these images are unnecessary. we just need to fund the asylum system so we can quickly adjudicate who has a real claim and who doesn't. it probably needs to be part of a larger package. we get the same old, the border are a political football. they get kicked back and forth and nothing has been done. there have been comprehensive immigration bills. i've worked with very conservative folks at border patrol and i.c.e. who would agree that the same framework of changes that we know in 2013 received 70 votes in the united states senate, but the politics

of immigration at the it never . it's very frustrating, you would hope that this massive crisis we have at the boarder and the humanitarian crisis would galvanize congress to get serious and change the laws. unfortunately it seems like it's more of the same old. >> do you think the stalemate and that is brought about by concerns about what their constituents think is real, or is it stoked by certain constituencies that are louder, that are more influential than maybe some others? >> i think it's both. i think the districts in the house make it hard for anyone to support immigration reform. these are not going to be just pure giveaways, right? i think that's always the concern. every bill requires people to come forward, pay a fine be accountable for being a lawful president. it also comes with robust security measures and reforms to the law that will prevent some of the things we're seeing here. the administration has dealt a terrible hand. under the existing legal framework, it's very hard to do,

you know, anything but process these people when they arrive, right? but unfortunately, you know, because i think the way the districts are drawn and because some folks think it's their best advantage to paint the biden administration now with being responsible for the chaos at the border instead of looking at the legal framework and frankly the budgeting we've done in terms of immigration enforcement, that's the problem. i don't know what's going to require the change, but until it does, we're going to run the risk of seeing scenes like this continue at the border. >> really appreciate your expertise and taking the time to talk with us, thank you. today the serbian government and the people there are responding to gun violence in a way that america simply hasn't after two serbian shootings killed 17 people last week including one targeting school children, the president announced a slate of new gun laws including a gun amnesty program. the government says people have already turned in 6,000 unregistered weapons just since monday. we should note that while serbia

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three reasons. first, it's likely to increase the blood supply. i'm an anesthesiologist. i have personally transfused hundreds of patients in my career, several thousands of units of blood. there is nothing more terrifying than getting a call from the blood bank when i've got a patient bleeding during surgery and being told, doc, we're out of blood. these blood shortages are real. donations have gone down since the start of the pandemic, and we expect this policy is likely to increase donation. the second thing is it aligns the policy with the evidence. for more than a decade, the ama has advocated for blood donation referral periods to be based on science, so we are so pleased that the fda is applying the latest science and removing these categorical restrictions on blood donations from gay men. and finally, this is just a really important step towards equity. it gets rid of hurtful, discriminatory practice that excludes people like my husband and i from donating blood. >> do you think it has more to

do with a better understanding of the lgbtq community? is it, frankly, just a response to blood shortages that we've seen over the years? does it matter? >> it matters a lot, and i tell you, it's been a slow transition. you know, back in the '80s complete ban on gay men donating blood. more recently there was a 12-month deferral period for men who have sex with men, and then in 2020, that was dropped to a three-month period. what's really important now is that any prospective blood donor is going to 12-month deferral period for men who have sex with men and then it was dropped to a three-month period. what is important is that an individual blood donor will answer individual risk-based questions to determine their eligibility. we know that is supported by science and it takes us in line with what other international countries are doing, canada, uk, and it will be an important step forward. >> you touched on this that

during the pandemic the country faced major blood shortages. in 2022 the red cross declared its first-ever blood crisis. as recently as march new york's blood center declared the first blood emergency of 2023, and they were warning blood donations in february were 12% below hospital and patient needs. as you say, that's a scary thing. what will this mean for our nation's blood supply realistically. well, we think that we'll improve the number of people eligible to donate. there's some estimates -- we will see what happens. we may see as much as a 4% increase in the supply. my son ethan who turned 4 years old, he was born premature, spent 50 days in a nicu. as a dad who couldn't give blood at the time, i'm so grateful that there was blood when he needed it most. i'm so grateful for the expansion of the donor pool.

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good news for consumers today. food prices are starting to drop month to month, a concrete sign inflation might be cooling off. nbc's sam brock has the breakdown of that really means for your shopping. >> reporter: for families who have watched grocery bills take an oversized bite out of their budgets -- >> 509. >> reporter: like chris roberts and his three kids, the last three years have been tough to swallow. >> we used to spend $30 a meal. >> reporter: but months of

double-digit food increases appear to be finally decreasing. >> reporter: even not going up, just stabilizing, does it make a difference? >> yes. >> reporter: the bureau of labor prices shows it fell moderately, for the first time coming down since 2020. in south florida some capitalizing for mother's day and memorial holiday. are you guys having a big family meal? >> we normally do. i'm very much looking at the buy one get one ribs behind you. >> reporter: with so many eyeing savings, here are some item in your cart that now cost less. eggs cracked the pricing surge, falling 1.5% after a nearly 11% drop the month before. milk prices are down 2%, the biggest decrease in more than eight years. fruits and veggies dipped .5%. thinking of firing up the fwril? barbecue staples like hotdogs

are 2.5% cheaper, but ground beef and chicken are slightly more expensive. >> certain areas are strong, certain weakened such as poultry and pork. >> reporter: owner john alfono at the market in sunrise, florida, walking us through the best deals. you mentioned chicken and poultry, a better value here? >> definitely. compared to beef poultry is more reasonable now. chicken wings are probably the best bet price wise in the poultry market and great for grilling. >> reporter: consider buying the store brand. winn dixie says its private label can be around 20% cheaper. look ahead of line at what deals stores are doling out. >> if i had a taste for something but next week it is going on sale, i will wait to buy one when it is buy one, get one free. >> reporter: sam brock, nbc news. >> thank you. bewe go, some might argue dolly parton is the greatest of

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