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they presented inscrutable flow charts about global banking conspiracies. at one point they just played an extended clip from oliver stone's jfk movie for a 1991 kevin costner film where -- deep state plot of the cia. that was what happened today on the reawakened america tour, and donald trump's -- resort in florida. we learned it's part of a nationwide speaking tour led by former trump official and convicted felon mike flynn. -- and his wife laura. earlier this week, in this very hour of television, my colleague rachel maddow reported on this event. she pointed out that among the list of potential speakers were two people who had a history of saying things like this. >> if you look at what happened under the -- again, all coming out of the same group of people, it has done a very good job at hiding under the origin of duties. ma'am it means judaism is a cover for what they're really doing. >> people learn a lot about

world war ii and hitler and the nazi's. they don't learn that hillary's actually fighting the same people that we are trying to take down today. >> that trump family event was set to include not one but at least two speakers with a history of transparently antisemitic comments. after rachel maddow pointed that out on her show on monday, this week, eric trump was outraged. he tweeted, rachel maddow is walking a fine line. if he or anyone else even remotely suggest i am antisemitic i will not hesitate to take legal action against them personally. okay. okay, eric trump. but then, later on this week, it was announced that those two speakers, including the hitler was fighting the same people we are guy, they were dropped from -- it will no longer be speaking at trump's property or sharing a stage with trump's son. progress, right?

sort of. for starters, even though they will not be appearing at this event, these two speakers are still on the reawaken america tour and its lineup for future events, which means that trump's property is still very much hosting an organization promoting known antisemites, even if those precise known antisemites will be skipping this particular leg of the tour. it's like seeing a touring production of cats, and the play bill say is that understudies will be playing the parts of mr. mistoffelees and rum tum tugger, my favorite characters from cats. -- who did not get booted from trump's property are not without their own controversies, including speakers like a convicted capitol rioter, a leading promoter of the qanon and pizzagate conspiracies, and a doctor who believes that demon sperm and alien dna are responsible for many of america 's health problems.

the caravan of right-wing figures who are appearing range from conspiratorial weirdos to outright extremists. and we are now approaching a point where trump and his family's proximity to these kinds of fringe figures is becoming normal. after all, the president hosted a holocaust denying white supremacist for dinner at mar-a-lago, and everybody seems to have just moved on from that. extreme ideologies, like white supremacy and christian nationalism -- they are not just a trump thing either. in a recent radio interview, alabama republican senator tommy tuberville was asked if he believes white nationalists should be allowed in the military. and tell me tuberville responded, well, they call them that.

i call them americans. yesterday, nbc news congressional correspondent julie tsirkin asked senator tuberville what exactly he meant by that. >> sir, if there are folks with white nationalist police, of which there are in the country, unfortunately, do you believe they should be serving in the militarily military? >> we've got to that find that first. what is a white nationalist? >> someone who propagates nazism, someone who doesn't believe -- >> you think that a -- white nationalist is a nazi? >> that is one of their believes. >> well, i don't look at it like that. >> how do you look at it like that? >> i look at the white nationalist as a trump republican. that is what we are called all the time. a maga person -- >> to agree with that assumption? >> i agree that we should not be characterizing trump supporters as white nationalists. >> a spokesperson for senator tuberville tried to clarify those comments, saying, senator tuberville's quote shows that he was being skeptical of the notion there are white nationalists in the military, not that he believes they should be in the military. it's pretty unclear, though, whether senator tommy tuberville thinks white

nationalism is a bad thing. and that's because today's republican party is increasingly embracing white nationalism and explicitly white christian nationalism. in texas, republican legislators have introduced a bunch of new bills that seem to be trying to turn texas public schools into centers of christian nationalism. the texas state senate has just passed a bill mandating that the ten commandments be displayed prominently. it was not enough to just have the ten commandments in every public school. they must now be in every public classroom across the state. and they are sort of the jumping off point. the washington post reports, one bill introduced by texas republicans would allow schools to mandate a period of prayer and bible reading on each school day. another said school personnel must be allowed to engage in religious speech or prayer while on duty. another would allow schools to replace school counselors with

chaplains. that last proposal -- the one replacing public school counselors with christian champlin's, that last proposal has drawn some real pushback from texas democrats. earlier this week, when texas state representative confronted his republican colleagues about the agenda behind these bills. >> are you aware of the national school chaplains association? >> i've heard of them. >> they testified in favor of the bill, both in the house and the senate. are you aware that the stated purpose of this organization is, quote, to enhance his presence by infiltrating the system and supporting christians functioning and operating inside the school systems? >> i'm not advised. what i'm aware of is that what this bill does is allow school districts to determine whether or not they want to allow chaplains as hired or volunteer personnel. >> to be school counselor in texas you have to have a masters degree. are we requiring that school

chaplains have a masters degree in this bill? >> i don't believe so. >> school counselors have to teach in texas public schools for two years, in a classroom, before they can be a school counselor. are we requiring that chaplains teach in a classroom for two years before becoming a -- >> the definition of the chaplain is that we have -- chaplains go through extensive training. >> i'm looking at the website of the organization i mentioned earlier, the national school chaplains association. they admit on their website that the training is, quote, minimal. it includes a 48-hour program. that's equivalent to one college credit. that does not sound extensive to me. >> for the past few years, we have watched the republican party embrace the most extreme elements of its radical base. and now, the two have become so wedded that this hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. joining us now is texas state representative james talarico, who you just on those clips. also joining me is michelle goldberg, opinion columnist for the new york times, and author

of kingdom coming, the rise of christian nationalism. representative james talarico, first of all, i think a lot of people in texas are probably very thankful for the line of questioning and the oratory that you have given on the subject of a lot of these bills. how do your republican counterparts in the state house manage this line of criticism? that this is nothing more than a blatant attempt to install white christian nationalism in the public school system? >> well, first, thanks for having, me alex. thank you for covering this really important topic. i sometimes have republican colleagues who approach me in private after these exchanges on the house floor or in committee, and thank me for my questioning. we have still got common sense republicans here in our state who are the dragged to the right by maga republicans, christian nationalists in their primaries. and so there are some who are thankful that representatives like me are speaking out against these efforts.

but we have to have folks in the republican party speak out as well. otherwise, we are going to have christian nationalists infiltrating our schools and indoctrinating our children. >> is there any sense of contrition or apology or sheepishness? about the fact that this is so blatantly and attempt to basically indoctrinate children and -- it's effectively religious indoctrination. is there any attempts to hide that? >> no. the extreme republicans who are pushing these different measures are pretty shameless in their objectives, which are to indoctrinate our kids. governor abbott, here in our

state -- saying that kids are for education, not indoctrination. and what i can't figure out is, why haven't you -- in a classroom is considered indoctrination, and how having the ten commandments in a classroom is not. this legislative session has been all about parental rights. and they have used that to discriminate against gay kids. they've used it to defund our schools, the voucher scams. and so when i have had this bill come before the public education committee, i asked, with the republican author be open to requiring parental consent before religious commitments could be posted in the classroom? and she refused. so, i don't know why parental consent is necessary when we are trying to teach things like empathy and kindness, or basic sex education, but parental consent is not necessary when we are literally indoctrinating our students into one particular faith tradition. >> yeah, michelle goldberg, you know, i am struck -- i'm old enough to remember when you could say, my goal is explicitly to introduce christian -- indoctrination into the public school system.

if you listen to these representatives in texas, if you listen to tommy tuberville, who is a united states senator, the embrace of white christian nationalism is -- it's transparent. it's above board. it's their. there's almost nothing to be ashamed of, except it's kind of awkward when you remind people that nazism and white christian nationalism actually have quite a bit of overlap. is this the inevitable in point of all this, in your mind? >> so you mentioned that book that i wrote about christian nationalism. that book came out in 2006. and when that book came out even when i thought that book would raise a amount of alarm. i could not quite imagined then the extent to which this sort of thing would be mainstreamed. because back then, you heard these ideas. but you heard them at obscure conferences. you know, maybe a few backbench members of the republican party would get on board. it was certainly not senators, and certainly not the president of the united states and his family. the thing that is so striking to me about the reawaken

america tour is, as you said, it's not only -- discovered that there are people who have praised hitler, who said, i believe that one of them said -- hitler was fighting the same people we are trying to fight, which actually, is true. but they don't say, well, we want to distance ourselves from this -- this event. it's, let's just cancel these two people for this one event. so, let's make sure that we have two degrees of separation from people who praise hitler, instead of one degree. and i think that what they've made pretty clear is that white christian nationalists are an integral part of their base, that they can't get elected without them, the theory believed that they need to flatter them and appeal to them. and going back to what the congressman said, or what the representative said, of course it's never been about the rights of all parents. it's been about the rights of a very specific group of parents who this movement believes have the right to kind of control all their institutions, just as this movement has always believed that white christians

have sort of a special sort of -- a special role to play in this country, and a kind of more american than anybody else. >> representative, i have got to ask you -- i understand that there is an ideology that lays at the foundation of all this. but there also seems to be a political reality. i'm wondering if you can -- the washington post reports that republicans have a lock on power, but the state continues inexorably moving away from them culturally and demographically. this is the state of texas. i think this is the death rattle of a dying worldview. that's a quote from you. in some ways, the far-right is like a wounded animal here in texas. they know texas is becoming increasingly diverse. it's becoming younger, and that new texas is not going to stand for these extreme policies. can you elaborate on that a

little bit more? and do you think -- i think a lot of us have been waiting for that moment when -- there's, every four years, texas tech is turning. blue texas is turning blue. it hasn't happened yet. and do you think the groundswell of progressive support to push back on these policies will amass in time to actually stop them? because republicans have had a frightening amount of success with actually instituting these policies. >> as an eighth generation texan, i'm begging you and other folks watching across the country not to give up on our great state. mitt romney beat president obama here by double digits in 2012. but president trump only won this state by five points in 2020. so, our state is moving in the right direction. and we need more help, more support to ensure that we have a texas that is worthy of the next generation. i just want to say, i am a christian myself. my granddad was a baptist

preacher in south texas. i still attend the same church where i was baptized when i was three years old. these bills are not only unconstitutional. they are not only un-american. they are also deeply uncrossed xin. christian nationalism is an oxymoron. when jesus was tempted by the devil out in the wilderness, one of the things the devil offered was political power. he offered all the kingdoms in the world. and jesus rejected it. this is a religion of universal love and inclusion. and these bills are the exact opposite of that. they are arrogant. they are exclusionary. and they are idolatrous. i think it's incumbent upon -- to speak out against people who are trying to pervert our faith in the name of christ. >> yeah. i think that pointy so well taken. just because you are christian does not mean you have to embrace christian nationalism, in the same way that, just

because you are a patriot, does not mean you have to embrace the jingoism. michelle, what is so useful about what christian nationalism is that, in many ways, it acts as a hub for all these different spokes, we have become priorities of the gop, whether it's antiabortion measures, whether it's anti-lgbtq and trans measures, combatting woke ideology, diversity, equity, and inclusion -- i mean, white christian nationalism is a very large pocket into which many of these initiatives fall. was it always that way? >> well, i think in some ways it's gotten more extreme as the country has moved away from it. it was one thing, i think, when the people who espouse this ideology believed that they were -- the vast majority -- believed that they just needed to take the country back -- the name of jerry falwell's organization was the moral majority. and i think that most of them understand, on some level, that they might be a majority of the people that they considered to be, quote unquote, true

americans. but they are not a majority of the citizenry. and so you have seen the movement become more apocalyptic and more hostile to democracy, as kind of democracy has become an impediment to the sort of society that they want to create. >> representative james talarico, do you sense any sense -- is there any sense of irony? or hypocrisy that has felt on the part of the republicans of the state, that the titular head of their parties the least christian person we have probably had in the oval office? is there any ever explanation of that, given the zealotry with which they approach the tenets of the so-called christian ideology? >> i think i remember former president trump being asked to name a sacred bible verse. and he answered, all of it. so, it does not seem like that irony has sunk in. but in this -- just in the past week here in texas, we have experienced yet another deadly mass shooting, where children were killed. and this is not even a year since the massacre in uvalde, texas.

the republican party here in our states, in its quick succession, has talked a big game about protecting children. they are banning books in the name of protecting children. they are discriminating against lgbtq people in the name of protecting children, banning drag queens in the name of protecting children. and yet they won't lift a finger to address the number one cause of death for children in the united states, which is gun violence. so, the hypocrisy runs deep in the republican party here in our state. and it will take all of us to call it out, to expose it, and ultimately to beat them at the ballot box. >> texas state representative james talarico and they always wonderful michelle goldberg -- thank you both for your time and thoughts tonight. really appreciate it. still to come tonight, we have new reporting about the web of dark money tied to a man whose lifelong mission is to push america's judiciary to the far-right. plus, guard yourself. what would a second trump presidential term looked like? well, we got a big clue this

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>> there are a lot of things to say about the -- cnn town hall with donald trump this week. when let's discuss but no less disturbing parts of it was the strategy that trump laid out for a second term. >> what do you think about the united states current death situation?

and how can we move forward? >> i say to the republicans out there -- congressman, senators -- if they don't give you massive cuts, you are going to have to do a default. >> another immigration policy you had with the zero tolerance immigration policy that separated families at the border. if you get reelected are you ruling out reinstitute-ing that? >> when you have that policy, people don't come. if the family hears that they are going to be separated, they love their family, they don't come. >> will you commit to accepting the results of the election, regardless of the outcome? >> you want me to answer it again? if i think it's an honest election, i would be honored to. and you know what? if i don't win, this country is going to be in big trouble. it's so sad to see what's happened. >> in just over an hour, trump revealed that he is ready to break whatever norms and institutions he did not smash the first time around, or, as the new york times puts it, the second term vision mr. trump sketched out of the cnn town hall event on wednesday would represent a sharp departure from core american values that have been at the bedrock of the nation for decades -- it's creditworthiness, its credibility with international

allies, and it's adherence to the rule of law at home. mr. trump's provocations were hardly shocking. his time in office was often defined by a the rules don't apply to me approach to governance and a lack of interest in upholding the post-world war ii national security order. and at 76, he is not bound to change much. in other words, trump is still trump. and we will always be trump. but if we elected, 2020 trump is just the beginning, according to a former trump cabinet official. quote, from my perspective, there was an evolution of donald trump over his four years, with 2020, i think, being the most dramatic example of him, the real him, said mark esper, who served as trump's defense secretary. and i suspect that would be the starting point if he were to win office in 2024. joining us now is msnbc contributor and staff writer for the atlantic, mark leibovich. mark, it's great to see you this evening, even i have to introduce you on the heels for a nightmare scenario for a lot of people, which is, trump 2024 -- it's even trump ear. >> yeah. >> i think it's hard for a lot of people to envision how the man who reportedly, somewhat clearly, incited an insurrection could be the starting point for a 2024 version. the way in which trump left

office was so extreme, so unprecedented, it's hard to imagine that there is anywhere to go from there. and yet, the suggestion today is that there is a place. there's an even more extreme corner of the universe that trump would go to. do you agree with that? >> yeah, totally. but i think there are a few things to unpack here. first of all, what's -- said was that 2020 would be the starting point. we are now three years on. so, if you think about 2021, which was the month of the insurrection, i mean, he was way off the rails in 2021, the month of january, the harrowing month of january compared to the previous year. he is not that much farther down the road. and the other thing i think you have to think about is, if he were to get elected -- and this is why i think this town meeting is important. i mean, you can talk about whether it should have happened, how it came together, how it

was produced, and so forth. but ultimately, this does give you a window, and a frankly very terrifying window, but a window nonetheless into what could be a fairly realistic look at what his next term could be. i mean, we are through many stages of, not so much denial -- but, for a while, it was like, no, he's done. the insurrection is going to put him away forever. now it's like, well, republicans will stop him. desantis is the next guy. now it looks like he's probably going to be the nominee again. and then, oh, he will never be elected. he could be elected. and if he's elected, this is what it's going to look like. i mean, america that elected donald trump, and for the laxalt trump in 2024, will be sanctioning so much more free reign, carte blanche than what they did in 2016. he would have gotten away with, literally, murder in many cases.

certainly, on january 6th -- i mean, what he actually would be able to have come back from -- and it would just be a stunning scenario. and he could pretty much, you know, i think he could do what he wanted. and i don't think there's any precedent for the senate or the house, especially if they were run by republicans, to have any kind of check and balance on him. >> well, what's also notable is, when you read through the annals of the reporting on the trump years in the white house, there were people inside the white house, inside the oval office, inside the various cabinet level agencies, who were doing their best to make sense of the mess. and what we know now is none of those people would be involved in a second term. rolling stone is reporting today, the former president has privately noted on several occasions over the past month how he seriously considering names like mike flynn and jeff clark for high-level positions in a potential second white house term. trump was self aware enough to say that any senior role for flynn would probably have to be a nonsense of confirmed

appointment. well, that's good, that he's aware that nobody wants mike flynn back in the government. but the notion that mark milley or mark esper or any of the people that sort of kept the guardrails of would be back for a second term is, like, laughable. instead, you would have people like jeff clark, who would happily have rubber stamped another -- and i guess i wonder, does no one in washington see a problem with that? >> oh, i think many, many people in washington, and presumably throughout america, would -- the first time -- this very, very sensitive positions, without any kind of senate oversight or confirmation. i mean, mike flynn, who is a national security adviser, for a few weeks at least -- that is a sensitive a job as you can have a white house. and he serves at the pleasure in the nomination of the president. he doesn't have to be confirmed. steve bannon was in the white

house. jared kushner was in the white house. i mean, go down the list. so, you can put a lot of people there without getting any kind of consent and getting senate confirmation. so, yeah. we know at this point that he will try. he will try to go as far as he possibly can. and if there's one thing we have learned is that he will get away -- he will try to do whatever he can get away with. and republican, certainly have given him a very, very wide breadth over the last years. >> i would argue that not only are they giving him a wide berth -- particularly the debt ceiling, are de facto marching orders for republicans currently engage with that political of negotiation. i don't know if you saw that way. but the party is so adrift without leadership. and when trump comes down from the mount, and issues forth a suggestion that the united states should default unless they get the cuts they want, you tend to believe that's what the gop is going to do. do you think he holds much sway over legislators in congress? >> oh, unquestionably. and let's be perfectly clear.

the only reason he is telling people to let the united states default on its debt is because he's not president. he was president and the house very gladly sort of raise the debt ceiling. and either it was because, you know, nancy pelosi had a sense of vicious being the right thing to do, or paul ryan did when he was speaker. so, yeah. this is not his problem. he just wants to sow chaos here. anything is it would be bad for biden. and it probably would be. so, i think that's what his perspective is. but if you think about debt and paying your bills -- when he was in office, the debt went up, like, exponentially. so, it's certainly not like he had a brush with fiscal responsibility anytime in the last few years. >> yes, he did. he had a brush with a lot of, things but not fiscal responsibility. mark leibovich, my friend, it is always good to see you. thanks for making the time tonight. >> thanks, alex, always good to

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second degree manslaughter, a felony that carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison. after the arraignment jordan nearly's family stood with their attorneys. >> the one on that train asked jordan, what's wrong? how can i help you? he was choked to death instead. so for everybody saying, i've been on a train and been afraid before, and i can tell you what i would have done in that situation, i am going to tell you, asked how you can help. please -- >> before jordan nearly became a name in the news and the subject the protests, he was known as a michael jackson impersonator, trying to make a little money doing the moonwalk. neely was a part of the new york city fabric, in a way. if you went through the times square subway station, you would have seen him. i, myself, saw him many times. neely was also known to law enforcement. he told police that he was

hearing voices, as he tried to cope with schizophrenia and the trauma of his mother's murder, which happened when he was just 14 years old. neely's was so extreme, so singular, that he was named on new york city's top 50 list, which is a roster kept by the city's department of homeless services. that list flags individuals with acute needs, who often disappear from homeless shelters. the list is meant to help reach organizations and almost services look up for these folks and intervene. that list is just 50 people long. and to put that into focus and perspective, last year, new york city estimated that about 3400 people suffering from homelessness were living in public spaces, and many, if not most, were grappling with mental illness. so that is 50 people out of 3400. and even on that list of the 50 new york residents of people the most desperately in need of shelter, jordan nearly still slipped through the cracks. joining us now is germany williams, public advocate for the city of new york. germany, thank you for being here.

i think a lot of us are trying to grapple with how this happened. i just want to begin with the idea of this list. he was singled out as someone who is particularly vulnerable, whose needs were acute, and even then, the tragedy cannot be stopped. what does that list represent, and what this is say about the broader drive to help the houseless? >> first, thank you for having me, i appreciate it. i think you are pointing out something really important. one, i think it's good to have a list of people that need assistance from the city and other agencies or community groups, but what does this say that we still failed and failed miserably. many of us have been pointing out for quite some time that we do not have a continuum of care of people who are in mental health crisis, particularly those who are chronic on this. our office has put several reports on how we can fill in the gaps of the continuum care. that's been ignored many times,

unfortunately. the last budget where the governor of new york put so much more on bail reform that mental health and homelessness. my hope is that the city budget coming up does not do the same. >> my question, when you talk about the governor, this has to ultimately run through albany. all these politics are different than near city politics, and the people who did not have homes, in many cases in new york city, people of color. the disgraced factors into this? how acutely is race under girding of these decisions made up in the governor seat? >> i think we know that race very often plays a role, and when you have race and class plays a role, jordan is dead because he was black, homeless and he was angry. before that, we failed him and felt him miserably. again, the governor literally said that she is focused on bail reform, not because of facts but because of articles in the news like the new york post. what we could have focused on

is how do we build the continuum of care. last year, we actually lost more homeless people who died in new york city streets than ever before. the majority of them were also black. >> as a new york city resident who sees people without homes and clearly ill, the idea that we need to increase the care committed day for these folks is not lost on me, and yeah, police are often the first line of response when it comes to people who are homeless and living on the streets. that system seems inherently flawed, in my opinion, totally broken. these people need medicine, they need empathy, they need care, and that does not seem to be any resourcing for the. can you explain a little bit about what is allocated that is not from police department funds to help the people who are homeless and mentally ill? >> i have to tell you, i believe a moment of time, with a population of more than ever, has realized that police cannot be the first line of defense when it comes to people in mental health crisis.

and yet, our leaders are squandering this moment. they are not using this moment to build the infrastructure that is there, so i always point out that and why pd, although law partner sent a role to play, they have access to unlimited overtime. what if the department of health and mental hygiene actually had access to the same type of overtime? for if our community groups and fear support networks had access to the same kind of funds? what if we built an infrastructure that focused on the continuum of care after someone came out at the hospital? what we want to make clear is that this is not about involuntarily hospitalizing. you actually had departed to that right now. the question is, what happens after they have to leave the hospital? if there is no continuum of care, if we haven't funded the community groups and paid networks, what is going to happen to them? what is going to happen to

jordan nearly? >> and that is actually a part of the story of jordan nearly. you come in, go out, and then you are lost. there's another piece of this that i find so are perking, which is that people set on that train and watch this man tie. and new york city is often promoted as this bastion of multiculturalism and people mixing from different races and different classes on the subway, and yet, i think this moment revealed the lack of empathy, the lack of shared humanity that people can watch a man be strangled to death and did nothing in the process. i just wonder if you think setting york aside, whether that is a cancer that is struck our society at large, that we can no longer see our fellow man or woman as a human being, that their struggle, if it is not directly intersecting cars, does not matter anymore? >> i will even at that. we seem to be in this country, not at a moment, time simply have discomfort, means that you can kill people. so we have seen people ring the wrong doorbell, go in the wrong driveway, accidentally go in the wrong car, accidentally say something to someone and people

are killed. here, we had someone who literally said, i am hungry, and i need water, i need support, and he was killed. people sat around and did nothing. actually, some people actually assisted. there were a few folks telling mr. penny that he is actually going to die, and nothing was done. it seemed in debt, we were doing the same thing in jordan 's life, which is to dehumanize and not provide the services that were needed. that's why it was so important for us to say that there had to at least be some charges to respect the humidity of who he is, to respect that a black man was homeless and mentally ill died, and we can't pretend that that life did not matter. >> before he died, he yelled about being fed up and angry, being tired of having nothing,

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and it is the day in the u.s., barking today the first official day of a post pandemic era and it more than three years since the pandemic started, it still feels too soon to see a headline like this. new college picks trump covid advisor scott atlas as commencement speaker. remember dr. scott atlas? he was not an expert in infectious to seize our public health, but he was on fox news a lot, talking about covid in the summer of 2020. apparently, donald trump liked

with dr. scott atlas had to say. that advice was, in essence, let covid spread, we won't build up heard immunity. donald trump picks got a list to be a special coronavirus advisor. another guy who really like scott atlas's arguments for keeping schools and businesses open during the pandemic was florida's republican governor ron desantis. last week, we learned sky so beat the commencement speaker at new college, which is the embattled honors college in florida has become a kind of lap for the so-called anti woke policies of governor desantis. and just the first couple months of the year, desantis has had picked allies over ruled the will of the faculty and students and their parents. they fired the colleges per student, and in the schools office of diversity and equity and they denied tenure to faculty members who have already been approved for it. now, they have picked scott atlas to be the colleges commencement speaker. so, members of the new coach

for the class of 2023 have decided to celebrate commencement one last time the old way, before ron desantis came to town. they are holding their own commencement ceremony the day before the official one. they have a gofundme page to cover the costs. they have a venue, and they have a celebrity commencement speaker went up with a name to be announced soon. that's all happening next week, one last time. that is our show for tonight. now, it's time for the last word with ali velshi, in for lawrence. good evening, ali. i needed the answer i! need to know who it is going to be. do you have an answer? >> i can't say. i have to respect the wishes of the college, unlike some other people. >> fair enough. i want to go back to the conversation you were having with joe mani about almost people. it's a new york story but it's the same in every major