thanksgiving with, maybe she would've gone. even to this day, you know, there is a lot of guilt without. >> but there is also gratitude. to investigators who never gave up, to three strangers on a dock play armchair detective. and, most of, all to a best friend. >> i definitely feel blessed to have known her for the amount of time i did. i cannot imagine what she would've accomplished by now. >> whatever it was, amite feels a certain it would have been like the wooden herself, as vibrant as the northern sky. as unforgettable as a southern night. >> that's all for this edition of dateline, i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. u for watching ♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome to morning joe weekend on the saturday morning. it was a busy week with news, including a big loss and court

for donald trump. we'll get into that. plus, some of the week's other top stories. take a look. in the city, jerry finding donald trump liable for a sexual abuse and defamation. the unanimous decision was handed down after less than three hours of deliberation. trump now must pay $5 million in damages to rider e. jean carroll. and e. jean carroll joins us now along with her attorney roberta kaplan. good morning to you both. how are you feeling this morning? >> on top of the world. yesterday was the happiest day of my life. >> was it? how come? >> [laughter] >> what was the feeling? >> because the former president had smeared me so badly and so evenly, and was such malice and such despite that it wasn't until yesterday that i got back

on my feet. and so, my name is back, and robbie kaplan got it back for me. >> there are a lot of people who wondered why you would bring this case, not just because of the time, but because you know, you are from new york. you understand who donald trump is. you know how he fights. you knew it was gonna be ugly. everything you laid out, you knew it was gonna happen. so, why was it so important to you, and indeed, why was it worth it to you to bring this case? >> well, i didn't come forward at the time. >> right. >> it took me a long time to get over feeling shamed -- believing it was my fault. i was frightened he would strike back. he did. i was frightened i'd lose my job. i did. and then, the asa was passed in new york state. and it gave us a nudge, and the ability to hold him accountable

for the rape. so, that's why we did it. >> i understand you had an exchange with donald trump's attorney, joe tacopina, after the jury delivered its verdict. what did you say to each other? >> joe, it's extremely likable there -- and so, of course, robbie, sean, mike, the whole team, he put out his hand, and i looked him in the eye, i said he did it. and you know it. and then we shook hands -- >> did say anything back to you? >> he smiled, he is extremely charming. you know, we got through it. >> robbie, you are playing -- we were playing a bunch of the depositions you took for donald trump, which was so damning and so many ways. as you look now on the other side of this, having won four e. jean, what was decisive do you believe?

>> i think that deposition that you had a lot to do with the verdict. i think they saw in that video who donald trump is, what he believes, and how he acts. and he said it in his own words. and i think that has a huge impact on the jury in this case. >> we're gonna listen, john, we'll quickly, to the piece of the deposition that gets at the access hollywood tape. let's watch. >> and you say it again, this has become very famous in this video. i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss, i don't even wait. and when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything, grab them by the [bleep] you can do anything. that's what you said. >> historically, that is true with stars. >> you think you can grab a woman by the -- [bleep] >> if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely true, not always, but largely true, unfortunately, or fortunately -- >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think he can say that,

yeah. >> fortunately or unfortunately, talking about sexual abuse their. also, there was a moment that was incredibly damning, where donald trump who said that e. jean carroll was not his-type look at a photograph of e. jean carroll and identified it as his ex-wife, marlon maples. >> looking in front of you, black and white photograph that we marked as t.j. 23. i'm gonna ask, it was this the photo that you're referring to? >> yes. >> and what did you thought when you first saw this photo? >> as i thought -- i guess, that's her husband john johnson, who was an anchor for abc. nice guy. i thought, i don't know, i thought he was pretty good at what he did. i don't even know who is the woman -- let's say, it is marla. >> you said marla is in the

photo? >> that is marla. that's my wife. >> which one are you pointing at? >> this one. >> the one you pointed out was e. jean carroll. and the woman on the right is your wife marla -- >> i don't know, this is the picture. i assume that is john johnson. because it's very blurry. >> so, robbie, in that moment, do you know you have him? >> yes, kind of. i said to the jury yesterday, remember, it's so classic for donald trump, he makes a mistake in the photo, he realizes a mistake, his attorney tells him, and then he lies. what does he say? he says it is blurry. the same photo that you guys were looking at, was the photo he said was nothing blurry about -- >> donald trump today, e. jean still on truth social, still denying he's ever met to. still saying that you are still lying. tell us how important this was for you as an individual, but also for women at large in a moment like this, and so many

of them, not just in relation to donald trump, but when something like this happens to them by any man? >> this is, it's a victory, really. not just for me, it's for everyone. because we did away with a perfect victim concept. the perfect victim always screams, she always goes to the police, she always writes the date in her diary, she always folds up, and it's a sad person. we smash that concept. and so, for everyone in the country, this is for you, this will help you all. be believed. >> so, robbie, trump has also threatened again this morning to appeal. walk us through what you think that will look like, and how long it could take? we certainly would know that trump's legal strategy is to try kick things down the road as long as he can. >> that's right.

he has a right to file public papers. he will definitely do that. he has no good arguments, though. and the courts are already very familiar with his strategy, as i mentioned, delay, delay, delay. so, i don't think they're gonna be able to do it. he's not gonna be able to do very much here. i expect six months to a year, maybe sooner, you can get them to expedite. >> can i ask about jury selection, because it's important because of the reaction we've seen from supporters of trump yesterday, and again this morning, when they said, of course, it was a new york jury. of course, they were out to get trump. mark rubio, an attorney went to law school, said that jury is a joke, suggesting that we should ignore this because it is a new york jury. you had tommy tuberville, a senator from alabama this morning say this makes me want to vote for donald trump twice. and of course, it was a new york jury. can you talk a little bit about the jury, six men and three women. >> let me say two things, first of all, during his opening argument, mr. trump's lawyer, mr. tacopina, praised the jury system.

he said how great the court system was, how it is the bedrock of our democracy, and how we wanted everyone in the courtroom to know that that was a views. so, number one, those statements contradict what trump's own lawyer said. number two, this was not a new york city jury. i think we have one juror from the bronx, one juror from manhattan, all the rest were from west chester and north. we had, as you pointed out, we had three women, six men, mostly working class people, either the people who also trump voters, not new york city -- >> i think that's important to underline, because the argument we are hearing, well, yeah, it is a bunch of liberals from greenwich fell, whatever. but they were not all from new york city? >> only two were from new york city out of nine. >> so, what is your reaction, e. jean, when you hear comments like that from supporters, who i guess we shouldn't be surprised, but reflectively went to the defense of donald trump, kind of saying we should dismiss this? >> you know, i don't hear it. i'm so full of happiness and joy. i'm putting that out of my mind. and i know robbie is gonna take

care of it. >> we have alexei mccann and with us of axios with a question for you. alexei? >> hi, e. jean. it's good to see you. and i appreciate the opportunity to chat with you. first, i am sorry for all that you've been through. and i am sorry that none of these republican statements even acknowledged some of the awful situations that women like yourself and across the country have gone through. critics, of course, say in situations like this, oh, you are just doing this for financial gain, and that's what you have to gain out of this. i wonder if you could speak to what it is that you actually gain, and also, what you lose by going through this? >> it's not about the money, not about the money. it was totally, 100%, to get my name back, and two -- for all women in the country, to step forward, and prove our case, so more women like me can be believed. remember, women don't come

forward because we are afraid nobody's gonna believe us. well, we just got a whopping when in a major trial. and what's happening, people don't believe it because it is a -- joke. but i think it was a big picture for us. >> still ahead on morning joe, we'll be joined by the head of the anti-defamation league, as we learn disturbing new details about the extremist ideology of gunmen in the texas mall mass shooting. you're watching morning joe: weekend. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ k? man, this aint messin', it's perfectin'! with marinated chicken and double cheese. sweet and savory... ...kinda like you and me, chuck. bye, peyton. try the refreshed favorites at subway today. how to grow more vibrant flowers: step one: feed them with miracle-gro shake 'n feed. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow.

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texas, where the community there is mourning the eight lives lost during a mass shooting at an outlet mall on saturday. as hundreds of people fled from the scene, local pastor and the city's police department chaplain was on the phone with his daughter. she was in lockdown at a place at her work in the mall. thankfully, she made it out

safely. and he joins us now. mr. byrd, thanks for being with us this morning. i want to talk broadly about your community, how it's doing. but can you talk a little bit more about your experience that date with your daughter. >> sure, thank you for having me, first of all. i would say, i've been on the receiving end of a number of difficult calls, but possibly the worst or the most difficult call on saturday coming in from kennedy, just kind of feeling helpless, right? so, wondering if she is safe, with different reports coming in, if the shooter had been neutralized, if there are multiple shooters, things of that nature. so, thank god she returned home safe to us. we know a number of others were not as fortunate. so, we are grateful for that. >> thank god, he has, and as you say, there were too many people who didn't get that hope a phone call, who did not get that relief. we've talked a lot this week about a family, to parents, who

were killed, along with her three year old child, their six-year-old son survived, who now has to go up without parents or his little brother. as a pastor, what can you say to the people in your community? what can you say to the families to try to, not make sense of any of this, but to provide at least a little bit of comfort to something just so unthinkable? >> i think it's a great question. we hosted a community prayer night last night. and all of the questions come in on why would a good god allow such bad things to happen? and the honest truth for us, for at least what we've tried to communicate is on the side of heaven, for those of us that are believers, there is sometimes no answers, right? we're just trying to support people spiritually as best as we can, trying to meet some of those more tangible needs as well. but just helping people that are struggling with belief or face to understand it. maybe god didn't call for all

these things, but we believe he can use his power for good. so, just trying to love and support those that are hurting, those that have lost loved one, those have been traumatized in this event. just walking through the difficult time to try to help point them to face, and help restore hope. >> as i mentioned, you were the chaplain for the allen police department. those officers gravely ran to the sound of gunfire and took out the shopper shooter, not before he killed eight people. what are the lease, police officers saying tuna conversations with them? m? >> i can tell you how proud i am to be affiliated with the city of allen, and the brave first responders. we have seen in recent months and years even, where maybe law enforcement, we felt they didn't necessarily do the right thing, or respond in the right amount of time, so, here is a case where a very brave officer responded immediately on an

unrelated call. and for sure, we felt like, he put a stop to something that could've been much worse. so, for the officers, this is what they squared out to protect and serve. and i think our officers and our community to a very good job as that. so for us as chaplains, and for the community, just to rally around this. they're supposed to be strong and usually they do a very good job of showing that externally. so, we're just trying to make sure they know that they've got a platform or an outlet to talk about the things that they've seen. it is tough for them, as it is tough for everybody as. so just trying to offer support for them. >> they did perform heroically that day, but more evidence, even when an officer already on site with a different call, the good guy with a gun did his job, but not before eight people died. chaplain for the allen police department keon byrd, we're so glad that your daughter is safe, and so sorry for what you're communities going through this morning. thanks for being with us.

>> thank you. >> the anti-defamation league now is looking into the suspected social media accounts of the texas small gunman. researchers believe that the shooter was obsessed with the violence, and subscribe to a range of extremist ideologies, including antisemitism and white supremacy. let's bring in the ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league, jonathan greenblatt. jonathan, it's good to see you this morning. so, what more have you all found out about this suspected gunman here? >> so, our analysts and the anti-defamation league have been going through the digital bread crumbs left by the shooter. and we found on russian social media sites. he almost had what you would describe as a diary, where he professed a bizarre set of extremist ideas. number one, he was a violent dishonest. he was a member of what we call the in cell movement. he believes, he has an animus towards women -- he was obsessed with nazism and

white supremacy. there have been images that we found, that have been widely reported, this is a hispanic man with a swastika and as bullets tattooed on his body. he wrote about the jewish question. he believed that jews had engineered society, so that men were unable to meet with women. those are his words, not mine. again, this is a huge, violent misogyny, ugly antisemitism, and of course it exploded with such horrific results in allen, texas. >> and there's been a rise in antisemitism and the sort of hateful rhetoric in recent years. i guess my question is, with this, these horrible images found after the fact, is there anything that could be done ahead of time? and how do we go about, warning systems developed, so someone perhaps, police or someone, might see something like this and go, wait a minute, this could lead to violence down the road? >> so at adl, we do this. so, we're actively monitoring public media, and went to look

at private media, even the dark web. so, we see what's happening vis-à-vis persons like this. and when they expressed intent. when they indicate that they have capability like access to firearms, and this guy had a whole munitions closet if you will. and thirdly, we can approximate location. we share that information with law enforcement. but the challenge is like boiling the ocean because social media is such a cesspool of not just antisemitism, but also racism, and bigotry of all sorts. so, it can be very hard to track this down. and when sites like tiktok, or twitter, or others normalize this kind of extremism, it almost becomes, you know, just routine. and then, we are all in trouble. >> eugene daniels is now sadly and tragically, a familiar mix of hatred, as jonathan says, it looks like violent misogyny, antisemitism. he was reported to be wearing a patch that said right wing death squads on the day of the shooting, and of course, access

to a semiautomatic rifle. >> yes, that's right. that's why this issue about guns is so difficult for people to deal with. i guess i'm just curious for you, as you guys look at these, and you dig into all of the hate that people are dealing espousing around this country, does that feel why this is so difficult to get our hands on because it is cultural, it is political, it is in the very fabric of this country? and it continues to be. >> well, hate certainly is not new, right? it is a persistent, i think, condition of humanity. but what's really worth, eugene, is when it is normalized. >> still ahead on morning joe -- joe's full interview with democratic senator john fetterman of pennsylvania. he explains how what most would think was his happiest day in politics turned out to be his darkest. and how he fought his way back. that powerful interview is straight ahead. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> three weeks ago, democratic senator john fetterman of pennsylvania returned to capitol hill, after being treated at hospital for clinical depression. fetterman suffered a stroke nearly one year ago. four days before the primary election. it's been very open about his struggles with his recovery. >> you've said that your toughest time was after you got elected to the senate, which most people would think, hey, that should have been one of the great moments of his life, but that is where your world started to collapse. >> that's what it's about, depression. and depression, you know, you might win, and you still feel like you lost. my family and i were through this ruling campaign, and now you've won. and now, what's wrong with us? is it not enough for us? you know, why do you feel this way? and i try to explain to them

where, no, it's different. you know, just because, you know, we are winning, it doesn't mean that it still didn't hurt. still, i lay there and watch this hurt my own children because they were confused, because they thought, just because you one, you should be -- >> can you talk about your decision to seek help, to go to walter reed? what was sort of the triggering event for you? >> i never forget this issue where it's like, if i don't do something to claim my life, this could be tragic. i was skeptical, and you know, it was, no, i don't really belong here. but i will give it one last chance. >> now, as he is seeking help for depression, his wife, gisele, tweeting, after what he's been through in the past year, there's probably no one who wanted to talk about his own health less than john. i'm proud of him for asking for

help and getting the care he needs. >> you just said, talking about being skeptical, that you can get help. can you talk about, i think that's an attitude that man may have even more than women. men don't seek treatment as much as women do? >> this isn't a matter of who is tough or who's not. i have the blues, or have a little melancholy. and i was just a big man, you know, not too macho. it's no big deal. the only thing, the person you're gonna really hurt more than anyone else is actually your family. >> did you get inspiration from people like lincoln and churchill, who struggled with depression their whole lives, and yet fought through it, and changed the world? >> i would say there's almost kind of nobility to it. like, there's some nobility element to that. so, maybe something -- it toughens you are or whatever.

but it did not toughen me up. in fact, it nearly ruined me. and it put my family through a lot of pain. >> when did you start to think, hey, i may be making progress here. i might be able to put one foot in front of the other, in front of the other, and move forward with my life? >> my first visit was my children, you know, after three weeks. and my dad had left me these little posted notes. i grabbed them up, and then wrote encouraging notes, everywhere. dozens of these things. and it became kind of like, that's what sparked my idea that it's, like, there's a whole big, big reason to get better. me putting my kids through this, scary enough of losing me, and what's wrong, you know, really was the single biggest

motivation to really take it on. and i have a lot of support. and i was ashamed, you know, that an eight year old boy was -- hadn't enthusiasm saying, he you've got this, that. like, i'm should've been the one cheering them on, but it was the children that we're doing all that. and they were holding against me. they let their love -- their love came through. that was the catalyst. >> i saw you when you first came on the hill, when you are getting sworn in. and i remember thinking at the time that this is tough enough for anybody to adjust to life on the hill. i could not imagine the pain you had to be in, adjusting to the challenges after your stroke, adjusting to being this big guy, this take charge leader, who suddenly had all of these new challenges coming at

you so quickly. it had to be so isolating. >> it's really the truth. and one other thing that was very punishing at that time, too, was that the social media blowtorch unleashed on my family as well on that. the issue was not about me, but on my family. i just can't imagine anybody that would think to be funny to make fun of children or whatever. >> i remember late in the campaign seeing one of your ads -- >> if you ever get knocked down, you get back up. [applause] if anyone lands in a community that was left behind, ever knocked down, that's what this campaign is all about. >> it was one of the most powerful campaign advertisements i've seen. and you are talking about people who were forgotten, people who are struggling to get by.

it showed you talking on stage, talking about your struggles. and then it showed them to audience, and this powerful connection. i wonder, does this draw you even closer to all those people, not only in pennsylvania, but across america, that feel like they are isolated, they are alone, they've been left behind by washington. >> absolutely, absolutely, joe. i will never ever tire of wanting to pay it forward to having the gift, because you can't, you can't fully appreciate to being well then after realizing, you know, and a very dark place that i was there. and there were a lot of people it hurts. >> senator john fetterman is now out of the hospital, after being treated for clinical depression. and his message, he says, is that depression is treatable,

and treatment works. >> so many people don't get quality health care treatment. what does the senate -- what does that house -- what does the president need to do to give more people a fighting chance with depression, with anxiety, with suicidal ideations? >> this is not a democratic issue, this is a republican issue. this is hard lie right, hard left. this is just a human issue. somebody living right now and a red county that desperately needs mental health. and there's a person in a blue county that needs to make somebody to speak to because they're thinking of, you know, harming themselves. and we all need to create a national priority. and you know, i would tell anybody who's watching this, i'm begging you, please, go look for your treatment. it works. and it is what saved me from -- from my anguish. >> coming up, a group of women now are suing the state of texas over its near complete

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>> there is a group of women now suing the state of texas over its near complete abortion ban. among them one who developed life-threatening sepsis and spent days in the icu, after

being told by hospital doctors that although her baby had no chance of survival, she was not sick enough to have an abortion. her story, along with the interviews with texas doctors, who are navigating the state's abortion ban are highlighted in a new piece in the new yorker, entitled, in the post roe era, letting pregnant patients get sicker by design. joining us now, the author of that article, contributing writer at the new yorker. and in the piece, you're in part, quote, the texas doctors i spoke to like their counterparts in other hospitals across conservative states, described ob/gyn units where today workers show the responsibilities that have little to do with saving the lives of mothers, let alone doing no harm. instead, as pregnant women get sick or by design, doctors have been weighing the risks of

offering treatment that they feel is right for a patient against the risk of legal repercussions. that might cost them their livelihoods or even land them in prison. they've been soliciting the opinions of hospital lawyers and ethicists. they've been considering institutional liability and struggling to reinterpret concepts, such as due diligence. in short, in a context of fear and bureaucratic anxiety, they have been scrambling, trying to reconcile abortion law language with the daily urgencies of women. they are encountering on gurneys in emergency room cubicles. just how endangered does a sick patient have to be before her doctor can intervene? and how much time can a doctor and her colleagues take in deciding before it is too late for a patient? let's start right there because when a woman's enduring sepsis,

often the condition can come on really fast. there isn't time for a hospital board and lawyers to meet. and women are now being caught in the middle of this and during intense pain, trauma, agony, and often being sterilized because of the position they are left in, something that could've been prevented. am i wrong? >> no, absolutely not. and thank you for having me. i mean, as the head of a hospital in texas mansion to, me this is a question of minutes, right? you're lucky if you have even hours, not even days, right? so, the decision to intervene, the decision to treat a woman must come fast. and i think it's really helpful to put this into context because we've been warned that the overturning of roe would have tremendous implications for women around the country, even before the ruling was

announced. you might remember that the lancet, the medical journal issued an editorial saying woman will die, right? and ever since, what we are seeing is that in the country that is already one of the richest nations, with the highest rates of maternal death, the impact is absolutely clear, right? and now we have doctors who for quite some time, i think, who are reluctant to talk about what they were seeing in texas, come out and say, this is unquestionable, you know, and it is resulting in more harm to the patients that we are treating. >> this story is just -- god, awful, there is no real way to put it otherwise. what kind of, i mean, aside from laws that actually empower doctors to treat patients as they see medically reasonable

in their opinion, i mean, i guess, you know, this is just illegal issue. and we can race on the hill all we want about it, but at the end of the day, women are just born to suffer. >> right, and what the center from the productive's rights case is asking for is more clarity. i mean, texas, like many other states where abortion is now illegal, has several abortion bans, right? it has sb8, which went into effect in 2021. it has a trigger law, and a three row ban in effect. and each of those bands has its own exception. so, you can just imagine just how confusing it is for doctors who are treating patients with life-threatening conditions, to figure out, well, which law am i supposed to abide by. and what exception am i supposed to take into account here, right? i mean, it is just absolutely confusing to them. >> all right, contributing

writer at the new yorker, stephania taladrid, like you so much for this incredible piece that you wrote. >> just incredible. and, mika, this is exactly what we're talking about over easter, everybody came around -- >> it is scary to get pregnant now for a woman. >> people who are pro-life their entire lives are talking about stories like this, they are talking about how women are no longer safe -- >> no. >> and i actually have known somebody that his wife and he moved out of a red state to a blue state, and they are actually thinking about having a child and said that they are going to have to stay in the blue state unless there are complications. and if there are complications, they don't want to be in the position that these women are in. >> as it pertains to these laws

-- >> republicans are. this is not some democratic thing. again, at least, we heard from republicans who all have a different story like this, no matter how insane these laws are. >> it is. charlie, final thoughts before you go today? >> you know, it's interesting listening to that conversation. in the 1990s, remember that book, the big sort, talking about how we were sorting ourselves out geographically by politics. i think that we may be in the midst of a new big sort, a sort of a cold civil war, where people are moving with their feet to a state where they feel safe, where they feel -- so, all these policies are gonna have very dramatic implications, both for, say, higher education, but also for the economy. and that's one of the backgrounds of some of the things that are happening in both texas and in florida. but it's going to be interesting looking back on this a couple of decades from now, to see all of the life choices that are being made driven by these public policies. >> coming up, the new film,

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>> i can no longer be a mother. that's what she said to me. >> that's a look at the new movie, monica. it opens nationwide this friday. the film pro-choice the heart-wrenching reunion between monica, a trans woman was not seen her family since she was a teenager, and her mother, who was able who has a brain tumor and does not recognize her child. joining us now the stars of the film, trace lysette, and emmy award winner patricia clarkson. good morning to you both. it's so nice to see you. good morning. so, this film made history at the venice film festival, first time in the 89 year history of the festival, a film led by a trans woman had even won at the festival. so, it got an 11 minute standing ovation. how did that feel, trace? >> it felt great in a lot of ways. and in other ways, i think it's left me with a lot of question marks about my career and you know how does this translate

into success for the community at large, and also myself personally. this was like an interesting duality to kind of navigate. >> so, patricia, explain a little bit more, if you would, about this story, and why it has been so well received? it's resonating with so many people, why do you think that is? >> you know, the fastest i've ever said yes to a script in my career, she was attached first. and i think because it's about at the end of the day, it's about family, it's about forgiveness, it's about love, it's about hope. you just -- it resonates with everyone that sees this. and it's not lost on anyone that this gorgeous transgender actress it's at the center, and leading a film in america and that is, you know, that took venice by storm. it was actually 11 and a half minutes -- >> fact-check, well rounded up

then. let me answer trace question about what the success of this film means for her. what kind of actress is she? what does the future look like? as someone who's seen a few things in the business. >> my friend who saw it, we had a premier in l.a.. he said, trace, she is like the new julia roberts. she is gorgeous. she's everything. and that's exactly what this is for this film, and for her, for the trans community. but i think at the end of the day, it's the beauty of that -- your child is your child is your child is your child. >> their relationship between the characters is beautiful. and here's a look at another scene in which the characters discuss the significance of monica's name. >> on sorry you've been put in this position. what's your name, again, please remind me? >> monica.

>> that's a nice name. is it a family name? >> no -- it is a name i chose for myself. >> an extraordinarily powerful moment there. trace, tell us about this moment, though, obviously, the subject of transgender individuals as part of local discourse right now, a lot of attacks coming from the right. so, what does it mean to have a movie like this appear at this particular time in this nation? >> it is so timely. i mean, the attacks are not new. but right now, there is especially intense for us. i find myself every day just waking up and trying to protect my joy, just to kind of get through the day -- because if i scroll past the wrong thing, or you know, and up on the wrong

bill that's trying to be passed, it can shake me up, take me out. so, stories like this are important. they humanize us. they reach america, hopefully. and we just need more of them. >> trayce, did you see some of your own story in monica's story, as you read it on the page? >> yes, there's tons of parallels. and i'm always just trying to find a bridge between my life and whatever character i'm playing. i think some of the things that monica is navigating, like abandonment, and just forging your own path, are very common themes in the trans community. >> patricia, what message do you think this film consent to people, not just here in the state, but around the world? >> i think what's important is, you know, you look at -- people literally and figuratively climb mountains. they crossed oceans and rivers to come to our country, to not be persecuted. why do we turn around and

persecute our own? it is not american. it is simply un american. and at the end of the day, trace and i are equal. we are simply to woman sitting here on morning joe, she is just hotter. >> we have more of the week's top stories right after the break. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ goes to wayfair for gardening basics that... aren't so basic. the entertainer... her place might look expensive. don't let it fool you. and me, the lounger... i get just what i need with a tap on the wayfair app. get outdoorsy for way less at wayfair. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪

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hour of morning joe: weekend. let's get to more of the week's top stories. >> the pandemic era immigration policy known as title 42 officially expired. homeland security officials say illegal border crossings top 10,000 per day this week. that's the highest level ever. the biden administration is urging those seeking entry into the united states to use lawful pathways. joining us now to talk more about this is homeland security secretary, alondra mayorkas. mister secretary, thanks for your time this morning. we have heard in the days leading up to the expiration of title 42 that at the stroke of midnight, eastern time, a couple of hours before that, along the border out in the southwest, there would be a flood of migrants, 60 to 65,000 migrants waiting to come into the country. our reporter julia h. ainsley just a few weeks ago from el paso said that's not what she's saying, that's not what she is hearing. so, what can you tell us in these early hours after the expiration of title 42 and what was going on at the border? >> thanks so much for having

me. we are seeing people arriving at the border and at our southern border. we are taking them into custody. we are processing them. and if they make a claim for relief and don't succeed, they will be removed. title 42, the public health authority, ended about seven and a half hours ago. our traditional immigration enforcement authorities that deliver deliver tougher consequences started immediately thereafter, and there's been one constant through it all. and there is a broken immigration system that congress needs to fix. >> and we've heard from border patrol agents and leadership down there that this is gonna be almost an impossible problem now with the expiration of title 42, they're just gonna be overwhelmed. what are you doing? what are you putting in place, mister secretary, to help make their job easier? >> so, we have been planning and executing on our plan for more than 18 months.

we have been getting ready for this moment. it's going to be tough. it's going to be a tough transition. as i've made clear. but we've got a plan, and we're executing on it. and our plan is very straightforward. there is the right way to seek relief in the united states and arango a. there is a safe way and a dangerous way. this president, president biden, has expanded lawful pathways for individuals seeking relief more than anyone else. we have built lawful, safe, and orderly pathways for individuals to seek relief in the united states, where they don't have to place their lives and their life savings in the hands of ruthless smugglers that only care about profit, not people. if individuals do not use those lawful pathways, then they will face tougher consequences at the border. they will be removed if they do not qualify for relief.

and they will face, after removal, at least a five year barr from entry into the united states. and if they try again, they could face criminal prosecution. >> he said a moment ago, mister secretary, that we have a broken immigration system. and i don't think many people would disagree with you about that. and yes, this is a decades old problem. but the truth of the matter is, just this week, we are seeing record numbers of illegal crossings at the border. and the last year, almost 2 million arrests, another record at the border. why is the problem just gotten so much worse just in the last year or two? >> i would say two things. first, let us not surrender to the fact that we have a broken immigration system. congress needs to act. let us fix it. it's been a problem that everyone agrees on for more than two decades, number one. number two, the challenge that we are seeing at our southern border is not unique to our southern border. it is a surge in migration, a

surge in the displacement of people all across our region, in latin america. and not only in our hemisphere, but around the world. we are seeing more displaced people now than we have at anytime since world war ii. >> but why is it this last year? why record crossings? some have suggested it's because of the oppression out there, that it will be easier under president biden to cross into the country, that the consequences are less severe than they would've been under president trump, or even under president obama. why is the problem so intense right now? >> well, a few factors. poverty, violence, corruption, authoritarian regimes, the covid-19 pandemic, extreme weather events, the causes of displacement or many. that's number one. number two, we are also combatting smuggling

organizations that spread false information, that spread lies to intending migrants, deceiving them into thinking that the border is open and it is not, and it has not been. last year, we removed, returned, expelled about 1.4 million people. and we are battling battling the smuggling organizations in an unprecedented way. we have arrested more than 10,000 people involved in smuggling operations. and we are also communicating accurate information to intending migrants. we started a digital campaign only two days ago that builds on all other communications. if i had two words of caution to provide two individuals who are thinking to take the dangerous journey, i'd say, one, don't take it. use a safe lawful, orderly path

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>> we watched last night a rerun of what we saw in 2016, and what we saw throughout donald trump's presidency. he committed again last night, the claim that the election was rigged in 2020. it was not, of course. he called january 6th a beautiful day. he said he was gonna pardon the people who attacked police officers on that day. the list goes on and on and on. he would not commit to

supporting ukraine in its war with russia. we'll get into some of it. but frankly, no surprises in what we saw on what he said last night. >> no surprises. and yet, it was just -- it was a disgraceful performance -- >> yes. >> i'm constantly telling people not to catastrophize over trump, that is actually going to lose, because he keeps drilling down deeper and deeper into his base. but it is i -- can't believe i'm gonna use catastrophizing language here -- but it was just disgraceful on every level. it showed -- i would not say it is dangerous for democracy, because we passed that a long time ago. but it showed the corrosive effects of trumpism over eight years. and i've got to say -- the most

shocking part was an audience who's shared on a president who tried to overturn american democracy. an audience that mocked and ridiculed a woman who a jury of trump's peers found has been sexually assaulted. those americans, there last night, turned out into a punch line. laughed and dismissed cops getting the [bleep] kicked out of them on january 6th, eaten up, over and over again, calling a cop a thug, who actually was trying to stop people from the house floor from being killed. i just could go on and on, basically saying he would turn

over ukraine to vladimir putin. and it was that on jon meacham, on every front, you could go piece by piece by piece to talk about how breathtakingly dangerous what we saw was last night. this virus of lies that has been loosened on the american people. but what we saw last night, it was a propagandist, and it was a propagandist spewing lies repeatedly, over and over and over and over again. and an audience, an american audience, lapping it up. this is not putin's russia. this is trump's slice of america. and what i saw last night at least it was as chilling as anything i've seen on television since january 6th. >> yeah, looking at -- his

reality has become our reality. and he is largely invented the way he sees the world. it is dark. it is dystopian. it's divisive. we are all the way back to i, alone, can fix it. i, alone, can save the country from this abyss. and it doesn't take a huge amount of imagination to see what he thinks is the abyss. and i think -- we are always two weeks away from chaos, right? that's the nature of humankind, of history. this is not -- this should not be surprising to people. what it must be, however, is a reminder that if you believe in

american democracy, if you believe in a rule of law that protects you and your neighbor, not just because it is the right thing to do, but because if your neighbor is protected, they are more likely to respect you -- if you believe in that, then this is the choice. it's very clear. you and i can go on and, you know, we can talk about jefferson and madison, and all of that. but it's very clear -- if you believe in a country of decency and opportunity, you have a choice. if you believe in a country that -- in which is animated by grievance, you have your choice. >> yeah, you do. and i've gotta say, again -- as horrific as last night was, i'm

just gonna say the same thing i say every time he says something that veers off the cliff and is so counter to american tradition, the american constitution, the constitution political norms, it will end up hurting him in the end. but, willie, listen, i do think i'm not gonna sit here tonight and point fingers at anybody. that's a tough assignment. i will say, i hope reporters, journalists will look at what happened last night, and see that as basically a preseason film about, you know, study it to see what needs to be avoided moving forward. and we've said this before, you can't get past the first question, until the first question is answered, which is -- is joe biden president? is joe biden president?

you say the election was rigged, 63 federal judges, mister president, 63 federal judges all said you were lying, all said there was no widespread election fraud, 63 -- your own supreme court, mister president, said you are lying, that there was no widespread fraud, even alito and comus wrote that there were not enough votes. even if you took all of trump's arguments to change the outcome of pennsylvania, which was the case before them at the time. a state that he brought up last night. arizona, really, we've talked about it, how many recounts did republican officials in arizona, republican officials in arizona make? they even sent out the cyber pumps who are going to win the election for trump, and the cyberpunk actually added that

biden's totals for georgia -- forgive me for being exhausted this -- is what everybody has to do. georgia republican election officials repeatedly, repeatedly said that trump lost, that the trump governor of georgia said, that trumpy secretary of state in georgia said it, it was so bad he recorded a phone call where trump was telling him to throw up just enough votes for him to win. you don't ever get past that to talk about regulations or energy policy. you can't in 2024, as this election heats up. you just don't get there. and if you do ever get past that, then you've got to stay on january the 6th, until that is exhausted. and it didn't happen last night. but, again, that serves as a

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>> former republican congresswoman liz cheney is out with a new political ad just this morning, warning voters of the dangers of a second trump presidency. joining us from manchester, new hampshire, nbc news

correspondent vaughn hillyard. one, tell us more about the ad. >> hey, let's start, you guys were just talking about which republicans, which voices in leadership in folks communities are speaking up against trump in 2023? the answer to that is liz cheney. over the last two years, liz cheney has cemented herself as the individual in american politics who has done whatever it takes to take on donald trump. she sacrificed her congressional seat, losing to trump-backed harriet hageman. she lost her republican primary in wyoming last august. it was on that stage she said it would do whatever it takes to make sure the trump does not get back to the white house. fast forward to where we are today, on new hampshire television, folks here in new hampshire are gonna be waking up to a new tv ad from the political organization of liz cheney, in which she makes a direct effort to talk about the risk of a donald trump

presidency. we talk about the character. and we have heard time and again from conversations with republican voters and that, you know, they make grimace at january 6th. they make grimace at donald trump's character. but what liz cheney in this ad you're about to watch does is try to make the case about the risks of another donald trump presidency, what it would look like? take a listen to what folks in new hampshire are waking up to here today. >> donald trump is the only president in american history who has refused to guarantee the peaceful transfer of power. he lost the election, and he knew it. he betrayed millions of americans by telling them the election was stolen. he ignored the rulings of dozens of courts. rather than accept his defeat, he mobilized a mob to come to washington and march on the capitol. then, he watched on television while the mob attacked law enforcement, invaded the capitol, and hunted the vice president. he refused for three hours to tell the mob to leave. and he has never been a greater

dereliction of duty by any president. trump was warned repeatedly that his plans for january 6th were illegal. he didn't care. but today, he celebrated those who attacked our capital. donald trump has proven he is unfit for office. donald trump is a risk america can never take again. >> what is notable and that out is that you never see liz cheney -- it is clearly an effort by her and her political organization to undercut donald trump's candidacy. there are other republicans at play, and you go back to last year, liz cheney, she put out an ad by arizona, to the likes of kari lake and mark finchem, both of those candidates narrowly lost those key races. and talking with eight aides of liz cheney, over months, she continued to be part of this battle. she's teaching a class at university of virginia. she is also releasing a more in

november. she's not a presidential candidate as of yet, but at this point in time, she's not ruled out a potential bit of her own. >> fascinating, nbc's vaughn hillyard in manchester, new hampshire. vaughn, thanks so much. donny, what do you make of the ad, does it reach people who need to reach? what >> i would take the at one step further, looking for the ad that is is one -- and it should be an and evening on my time america that shows beyond just the january six what happened with this country will look like. what they talk about now really painted the picture is what streets would look like, what freedom will look like. when donald trump was president, i'm gonna call someone to show -- a call s>> still ahead on morni, the inside story. a supreme justice clarence thomas and his wife ginni thomas's path to political influence in washington. you're watching morning joe.

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>> the stengle of webb around justice clarence thomas gets worse and worse by the day. i don't know what's gonna come up of paxton. i thought i heard it all. but more disclosures about his activities, it just embarrasses

me. the question is whether it in the gym versus the supreme court and the chief justice. >> the number two democrat in the senate dick durbin of illinois, speaking yesterday about the wave of recent allegations surrounding supreme court justice clarence thomas and his wife ginni. last month, the pulitzer prize winning new site propublica revealed the findings of an investigation that showed four years that thomas's had been financially benefiting from a close friendship with billionaire and republican donor harlan crow. those allegations and the upbringings of clarence and ginni thomas are the focus of a new documentary from frontline and pbs premiering tomorrow. take a look. >> a bombshell report -- >> glance thomas accepted millions of dollars of luxury vacations -- >> amid controversy -- >> ginni thomas, under scrutiny for her efforts to overturn the election --

>> she grew up with a republican activism. >> he felt resentment, victimization, anger. >> it's often, it's the thomas court. >> roe v. wade is overruled. >> they are the couple of the far-right. >> while, joining us now, producer and director of clarence and ginni thomas, politics power, and the supreme court, michael kirk. michael, thank you for being on this morning. this documentary, i mean, in light of all the revelations from propublica, hundreds of thousands of dollars, school tuitions, and homes being paid for, you take a look at what shaped these two people, politically, and how it might have come to this point. can you tell us what you found? -- >> well, thanks for having me here. it's an amazing tale. we started out just to try to figure out why people were calling it the thomas gourd,

and not the roberts code, or the alito court. and once we dove's in their into that conservative rule and helped -- thomas is who thomas is. we had to get back into his life and go all the way, all the way until now. and it is a fascinating story, almost like 1% of our film says it is almost novelist it that he becomes who he becomes. and the way he does it. and especially the part where he meets up with jenny, and you discover all the things you didn't know about her, which is also tremendously interesting and endlessly fascinating to me. and we're not done yet. here comes the news again over and over again. that's how we started. and that's where we ended up. >> can you tell us what you found out about the backgrounds of these two individuals or their relationship? and then when the propublica news broke, i take it you are probably already working on this, how did those reza latium

's fit into everything you are finding? >> it's very interesting. when you discover it about thomas and his, life -- it's a set of resentments and grievances that grow out of rejection all across the board,. from when he was little kid in georgia, living in desperate circumstances. the other black kids made fun of him. his mother handed him over to his very stern and abusive grandfather. he goes off to the seminary to try to become the first black priest in savannah, georgia. the whole community -- the black community is eager for him to succeed. he fails. he comes back home. rejected by the grandfather. goes off to, yale he is in law school. he's part of affirmative action. he's rejected, there it's on and on and on. it is clearance working from home. by the time we get to hear, home is rich conservative white

people. and jenny, her story is very midwestern, couldn't be more different than clearances. but what you discover is she grows up in a family very conservative. goldwater republicans, john birch society, all of that. her world becomes binary. and what she is on is kind of a spiritual crusade. ever since she was a young girl in omaha, and when the to get together that is when the sparks fly and they aim for where they are now. >> michael. do you get the sense that justice thomas really is a true believer in what he has supported, voted for as a justice? i ask that because around 15 years ago he wrote a memoir and a mutual friend of ours asked me to sit with him. and i did go over with a lot of

reluctance to meet with him in his chamber. i was absolutely amazed that even with just three of us in the room, he really believes in this crazy stuff, in my opinion, it's crazy. you know, i guess i was waiting for him to wink and say yeah, you know, brother, so-and-so. but he really acts like he believes that stuff. to get into how it builds up to that this guy, as wrong as i think he is, and as backward as i think his decisions are for the country, he seems to be a true believer? which to me is even more depressing. >> it's fascinating, reverent. it's a good retelling of the way that he feels now. it wasn't always so. in the 60s he loved the black panthers. people called him clarence acts. his idol was malcolm x.

separatism was everything he believed in, including not interracial marriage. clearest thomas's early years are fascinating in the sense that you watch the trajectory coming out of the rejection. each time he's rejected by a different group, he seeking, home he follows the politics of whatever the group is that's going to support him. so that by the time he's in reagan's washington post, he joins the republican revolution with reagan because it 1% of the film says the line was short of four black people over there than it is with the democratic party. so clarence notice that. and began to adapt and adopt the politics of reagan. so he could support it from the background. that was really, prevalent, the ticket to move up and raise enough eyebrows and enough attention for himself to become potentially a nominee for the united states supreme court in a republican administration. >> coming up next, school districts across the country are experiencing the highest

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appreciation week across the country. it comes as a shortage of educators nationwide is getting worse, according to chalk beat, a nonprofit news organization covering public education. the number of teachers leaving the profession is at a record high. joining us now, president of the national education association. becky pringle. she's also a middle school science teacher. becky, it's great to have you back with us. and as we celebrate this teacher appreciation week i think all of us can think of a whole bunch of teachers who changed our lives. i think of teachers who are changing my kids lives right now. we are so grateful for them. but we need to hang on to them. so what is going on with this

attrition among teachers leaving the field? >> it's good to be back with you, really. and happy teacher appreciation week to all of the teachers and honestly, all of the education support professionals, nurses, counselors, all the caring adults in our schools that make the development and learning of our students possible. there is no question that this year we are focused on one word, more. when we talk about appreciation we have to talk about more than just showing that appreciation. we have to talk about action. we have to talk about having appreciation more than just one day, more than just one week, should should be every day all day every week of the year. that is because teachers are more than teachers. they do so much more. i taught science relief for over 30 years. i taught middle level learners, the wonders of science. i can tell you even then, as a

teacher i was standing in the gaps for a students, but so much more is expected of teachers today and they're taking on so much more. we have to take action to make sure that they are not only staying in our classrooms but bringing more of our students into our classrooms as teachers. >> becky, we've had this conversation on teacher appreciation week the last couple years, talking about the after effects of the pandemic. it is still very real, but it feels like for so many teachers they issue a safety. we've had a number of school shootings last few months. talk to us a little bit about what teachers that you talked to every day, how worried are they about their safety in the safety of their children because of a threat with guns that they pose in the classroom? >> no question that has changed our schools and our communities. the reality that we are spending so much time on repairing students for assault weapons coming into the schools instead of focusing on their

instruction. we're coming up on commemorating so many children and adults being killed and you've all day. we know that will impact, not only that community, but students and teachers all over this country as they think about the fact that they are not always safe from assault rifles. we are continuing our work to ensure that we passed legislation that is comprehensive, common sense, takes assault rifles out of our schools and our communities, that increase background checks, make sure that we are doing everything possible to keep our students safe. >> becky pringle, let me just ask you. jonathan mentioned the pandemic had such a big effect on teachers and students. my own son is a teacher in a middle school. dealt with virtual learning for those two years. are there any lessons from the pandemic that we should learn when it comes to public education?

>> susan, there are so many lessons. first of, all we had the light shining on the inequities on this country. not only in the education system but in the health care system, the housing system, the economic system. we saw on full display those inequities that impacted our black and brown and indigenous communities the most. students with disabilities. students living in poverty. we saw biden have the tools they needed as we went to virtual learning. but that is always been true. that is not new. just people were realizing that reality. so as we continue to try to recover from the pandemic, we cannot take that light off of those inequities. we've got to invest in our public schools. you've been your communities. >> joe's exclusive interview with tyler perry. what he's saying about once living through a period of

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industry. tyler perry, if you look at the forbes list of top entertainers this year there is one billionaire on that list. he is a guy who is homeless about 25 years ago and lived in

a little car. that's tough enough, but if you're six foot six, even tougher. i recently caught up with the media mogul of his massive studio campus in atlanta, georgia. >> this place is just incredible. reverend al told me about. it told me about what an extraordinary community you have built here. but i saw on instagram, what was, it a geo metro? >> yeah. >> you lived in there. you were homeless when you came to atlanta. >> how do you process? that did you go from that to where we are right now? >> very gradually. the time that it took to get from there to here was 20 years. but the process of it was so important and i talked to a lot of people who are shopping coming and trying to get things going. i'm like, enjoy the process. it's hard to say enjoy the process when you're sleeping in your car but having an understanding of, if you have a

goal and you try to reach the goal, there's a buy. and i always look at it as a by. and >> it has to be crazy for you, you open up the forbes top entertainers and tyler perry, the same guy that lived in a dear geometry, the only billionaire on the list. i would guess hollywood is paying attention now in a big way because you didn't play by the rules. >> it was out of necessity. it was out of understanding that when i got to hollywood, it was a much different place than it was now. now we're all about diversity. well, listen, i was the king of diversity before that event became a thing. i will tell you what happened that i think this is when i started to get acknowledged, honestly, was the tragedy of george floyd. after that they academy awards honored me with the -- humanitarian award at the emmys. it wasn't until people saw the horror of that, to have people

understand what the fight has been. and then start to acknowledge us is really really great. but i was comfortable being there. let them underestimate you. -- my first bit with a black woman it was lyons gate. this is so great. the paid for half, and they didn't believe it would work so they hold sold the other have to be e t. it's a full circuit moment right now. to go in the room and say i have to have ownership i said okay, it's not gonna do anything. $50 million, wait, what? >> i do solemnly swear that i will faithfully execute the office of the president of united states. so help me god.

>> you shoot in the oval here, how many episodes so? far >> i think it's 120, or just past that. so it's been a good run. a really good run. i have to show you the oval office in the east room. a lot of black panther was shot. here >> really? >> most of, it. actually all the costumes and wardrobes. all the stages are always booked. three years ahead of time. >> yeah. >> you've been to the oval office? >> yes. and this is perfect. >> pretty close? >> when i set out to help someone, it is my intention to do just that. i'm not trying to do anything other than meet somebody at the humidity. >> at the academy award speech, you talked about how we need to start talking to each other again and that it wouldn't just be politically but also people of different faiths. >> as i think about, that and i

look at what is happening in the, world you couple the gun problem we have in this country, i am a gun owner. >> i'm a gun owner too. but like most gun owners it's too extreme. >> regulation is not a bad thing. i think part of why the gun violence has gotten so bad over the last few years is because of what we are being fed to the internet. along with the access to ar-15s, and anything that's in that vein. i'm worried for my eight year old for these things that are not being regulated, not being talked about. not being fixed by the people that were putting in office. >> when i build my studio i've built in a neighborhood that is one of the poorest black neighborhoods in atlanta so the young black kids can see that a black man did that and they can do it too. , >> this is pretty famous. this is medea's house.

, the most famous character. >> i gotta go to the liquor store to get mine. i'm going to show you the storage -- it was built in the 1800s and slaves actually built a lot of these buildings. and so i understand the history. i understand what i have stewardship over. so i tried my best to try to honor it and make sure that all of these historic buildings remain just as they were. >> how many acres? >> 330 acres. and i just bought 39 more acres on the other side. the amount of money that they spend on the sets, putting them down, building them up, putting them down, i always thought build them permanently. you know, refurbish, it renew it. that's why build the white house. >> we talked about all the incredible things that have happened over the past 20 or 30

years. for somebody who is down right, now somebody who has beaten up, someone who has lost their job, someone who, they don't think they can get out of bed and yet moving and keep pursuing that dream, can you give them some hope? any talk about a particularly low point for you where you pulled yourself out of bed and you said, i'm going to just put one foot in front of the other? >> you just gave the answer. one foot in front of the other. there were so many times. i remember -- i went by this hotel a couple of years ago, i went by every now and again. paid by the week hotels, drug addicts, everybody down on their luck is staying in one of those places. i remember wanting to die. i didn't want to get out of bed, it was freezing cold. every morning everybody would come out and start their old cars and there was a crack under the door about this wide and i just prayed that the fumes would fill the room and i would just die. >> he wanted to die?

you are praying to god that he would take? you >> it was too much. the pain was too much. what i had been through was too much. i'm homeless, i don't have food, it's like, i'm done. and in that moment i'm sitting in praying in tears, everybody swarming their cars up, they drive the cars await simultaneously. and now i'm like okay, i guess i have to get up and go to work today. those moments gave meat like, you're okay, you're gonna be okay. so i would say to anybody, just look for the little things that encourage, you even if you don't see it. little small things that keep you going. >> that does it for morning joe weekend. we'll be back monday at 6 am eastern, have a great rest of the day. >> this is the katie phang show, live from miami florida. we've got lots of news to cover,

and a lot of questions to answer