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13th, impeached, indict-able, and unrepentant. -- as he pursues another bid for the white house, the former president in the current front runner for the 2024 republican nomination continues to tessa limits of the law even as he remains tangled up in a multitude of legal troubles. all of this on full display for the public over the past week. on tuesday, a jury found the former president liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer and former magazine columnist ej carroll, who accused trump of raping her inside a bergdorf goodman dressing room back in the mid 1990s. yet just one day later, trump appeared on a nationally televised town hall event and mocked carroll again, and continue to claim that her allegations were quote, a fake story. now this is not an isolated incident for donald trump either. it's a pattern of behavior, he has a long history going back decades of weaponizing the legal system to his advantage. in just the last few years,

we've repeatedly witnessed his disdain for the law. trump also use wednesday's town hall to further advance his election denialism. more than two and a half years after those ballots were cast. he once again called a 2020 presidential race rigged, he made other claims not rooted in truth or fact, it did so despite the fact that dozens of courts and judges around this country shut down his legal team's many efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. trump's election denialism led to the deadly in violent january six insurrection of the capital, to which trump was impeached for a second time just days before he was set to leave op office. in wednesday's town hall, trump once again called january six a beautiful day. even throughout a lifeline to his far-right extremist followers, dangling pardons for many of the rioters, who were convicted of federal crimes over the past couple years for their role in the insurrection. >> a question to you is, will you pardon the january six

rioters who were convicted of federal offenses? >> i am inclined to pardon many of them. i can't say for every single one, a couple of them probably, they got out of control. >> what they've done to these people, they persecuted these people, and my answers, i am most likely, if i get in, i will most likely, i would say it would be a large portion of them. >> trump's latest show of support for the people that he led astray and were jailed he's flown to the idea, but the fact that he felt -- speaks to how he is only grown more emboldened as the situation becomes more perilous. just about a month ago, he was indicted by the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, in relation to the stormy daniels hush money payment case, and he could be facing even more indictments in the coming months, stepping from the investigations that are headed by the fulton county georgia

district attorney fani willis, and the justice department special prosecutor jack smith. trump's performance in wednesday's town hall event was a disturbing display of his lack of decency, and a stubborn disregard for the truth. equally unnerving was how receptive, and even entertain the audience was by much of what he was saying on stage. from his mockery of a woman he was now be held liable -- to his delusional assistance that he won an election that he outright lost. it was a stark reminder of why donald trump remains such a danger to democracy. joining me now is ruth -- , professor of history at new york university, and author of the news letter lucid, as well as a very important and instructive book strongman, mussolini to the president. also with, as tom nichols, author of our own worst enemy, the assault from within on modern democracy. bill come to both of you, thank you for being with us this morning. tom, let me thank -- it went full jerry springer, it opens with you admitting that

you quote, long argued that americans need to see more rather than less of donald trump. what changed for you? because that's what cnn argues they were doing. this is a guy that might be your best next president, you have to see what he thinks, what he says. >> well in the same piece i argue that you need to see more of trump, but not in this kind of environment. cnn shows, as you can see there, they chose the worst of all possible worlds. i think it's very effective to just train the camera on trump when he's at a rally, and you know, spewing his mad conspiracy theories, gripes, grievances, and whining. i also think it's very effective to put him one-on-one with somebody who doesn't want to get away with anything. but to put him in front of, to legitimize him, a word i don't often use, but to normalize him in the way that cnn did, i think it was highly destructive, they traded him as if he were an ordinary politician.

they stacked the room, cnn says that they did not, but the room certainly seemed like it was filled with trump supporters who were there to cheer him on. and you know, without trying to slam kaitlan collins here, i mean he rolled over her, he brushed sure side. and i said he pushed her silence she was an intern trying to strain his lapels. he just didn't bother with her. that is the worst environment to put him in, i think it was a dreadful mistake. >> ruth, how do we square this? he is the front runner for the republican party, the republican party is full of problems right now, but how do you deal with this? how do you cover and hold on to account, without ignoring him, without otherwise legitimizing him as thomas says? this is a tricky one for any journalist, or journalistic organization to understand. because he is such a magnet for media coverage. >> yes that's true, we can't ignore him, but is very important to expose him, excuse

me, expose him for who he is, which is not a regular politician, but a violent cult leader. and so in a situation like this town hall, his aim is not just to repeat his propaganda, he knows propaganda only works the repetition, whether in the grand spreading disease, or the january six as an act of love towards him. but also to renew the bonds of his you know, his cult of personality with his followers. and that is a very important to him. it's very unfortunate that cnn, by having, stacking, making it full of republicans and independents who are you know, leading republican, and also permitting booing, only applauding, it recreated the conditions of an authoritarian rally, where you must never blew the leader, because the police are watching you, you must always applaud.

>> tom let's talk about this distinction between cult of followers and independents or republicans. there are lots of opportunities to disavow donald trump on an ongoing basis. tuesday may have been yet another one of those, because you think maybe he's improved, or he's getting better at this, or he's going to be a little more normal, but he never is. we've been talking about this for five years. what happens here? republican party, and republicans generally speaking are not stepping up every time he does one of these things and doubles down, and says this is definitely not our guy. it doesn't seem to hurt him. >> that's because senior elected republican officials are cowards. they are terrified of their own voters, they want, they wouldn't be if they were willing to lose an election, but they're not, they like living in washington, they like being in the state capital, they don't want to go home and so they danced around these watery criticisms of trump.

he's absolutely right, he's the leader of his base, his base we should say is a cult. there are many other people who are registered republicans, or independents whom i think did before, and will again peel away from him. but he is the leader of a violent, seditionists movement. the fact that elected republicans are unwilling to say this, i think it's not only shameful, but a tragedy, and a dire threat to the american republic. >> ruth, as tom said, we're not 100 percent clear on this audience, how was selected. talk to me about the role the audience played. you refer to it on twitter as trump's authoritarian charisma. again, one of the reasons to have you on this conversation is you studied so many of these things, you looked at what rallies looked like at other leaders who turned out to be authoritarians, or who were authoritarians. tell me about this. >> of course, one of the most

terrifying and gifts heartening moments was when he was mocking his victim of sexual abuse, e. jean carroll, and the audience applauded him. they were applauding him because he was an assault or, not in spite of being in assault or. this is very dangerous. he had a psychological need to undo his humiliation at the hand of the court. and he got it with this town hall, and the problem is, people like trump become much more emboldened after such successes. so they become more emboldened, marks more trouble were in. let's never forget miss celine egis -- he is a prime minister of democracy. he declared a dictatorship in 1925 to escape being indicted in an investigation that was then forced to be resigned or imprisoned. that's why he declared dictatorship.

the more trouble they're in, the more they receive acclamation for their misstates in that applause scene, the more dangerous they will be. >> you make an interesting point to this, on may 12th you tweeted, they don't want trump without the messes and scandals. it makes life interesting, and it owns the libs, tell me what you meant by that. >> you know, in the history of authoritarian movements, going all the way back of when you look at eric offer, others who write about this over the past century, one of the things that makes people right front authoritarian takeover is important. and the sense that life is meaningless, and people like trump make life interesting. they give you a sense of purpose. i think this is one of the reasons by the way that trump is found embracing qanon, and other conspiracies, it's a way of saying to his followers, you know, you're not just following me to help me stand of jail, you're following me because you're fighting this huge

crusade, you're fighting this dramatic struggle against pedophiles and communists. i think that's why they don't want iran desantis. ron, look, i think most of the trump base is bored stiff by having a legal battle with disney. they don't care about that. they don't care about policy. i think that's the other thing that we should all understand, as i'm sure you and ruth do, we are in a post policy environment. the idea that you should be asking donald trump on his thoughts on the deficit, or defense spending, that's not what this is about. this is about donald trump trying to seize power again. it's not really the central thing. that's what makes him so appealing, because he is an ongoing reality show to people who don't have any real interest in politics, but have a lot of interest in life being interesting, and feeling like they're part of something. >> yes, i think that's a good point. there's a lot of people who are stow devoted to devote talking

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asylum in america. but as one american restriction is lifted, the biden administration is establishing new restrictions coming into the country, cracking down on illegal crossings. thursday night, title 42 was lifted, it was an emergency health provisions that allowed the u.s. to turn away migrants -- on the grounds of proof venting the spread of covid-19. it was activated during the pandemic by former president donald trump. under u.s. and international law, anyone who fears persecution in their home country can come to the u.s. and seek asylum, refugee status. before title 42, migrants could cross the border as asylum and were often allowed to stay in the u.s. while their immigrate immigration cases played out. with title in place, migrants were returned to mexico immediately, and deny the right to seek asylum. but none the title 42 has come to an end, it does not mean that they go back to the way they were before. under the biden ministration's new rules, anyone seeking

asylum in the u.s. can be turned away if they did not either first seek asylum in a country they travel through to get to the u.s., in many cases, that country would be mexico, or apply for asylum online before crossing the border, which is already proven to be a mess. many have reported issues with the online app as a try to apply for asylum, and also from migrant's craw crossing anywhere other than unofficial -- and they may face criminal prosecution if they try again. all week we've seen these images of groups of migrants waiting to be let into the country. but the biden administration said on friday, quote, we continue to encounter high levels of noncitizen's at the border. but we did not see a substantial increase overnight, or an influx at midnight. this is according to the border officials. midnight on thursday night into friday was when title 42 officially expired. the number of border crossings remains at a historic high, in managing the influx will be a key challenge for the biden administration, which has faced

heavy criticism for not doing enough to help states deal with the influx. a high number of migrants crossing a border in recent days has put detention facilities overcapacity. more than 24,000 migrants were brought in overnight on thursday. and facilities our meant to hold a maximum of 18, 000, according to the new york times. several states and cities have declared states of emergency in anticipation of thousands more migrants expected to arrive with the expiration of title 42 border restrictions. on friday, new york governor kathy hochul, who state is already struggling to house more than 65,000 migrants who've arrived over the past year has to federal government for assistance with constructing and running shelters. quote, in anticipation of several thousands of asylum speakers -- every day. critics say president biden's new immigration restrictions are really just a new version of draconian trump era policies. and on thursday, the american civil liberties union filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the new policy,

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here it el paso, we've seen people coming through regularly throughout the day to clean out trash where migrants are sleeping. it's part of the city's effort to try and keep everything clean, even as migrants are sleeping on the streets. for people coming here, changing out portable toilets, taking out the trash, they even have dumpsters at the border wall, so migrants can dump whatever debris they have with him there, rather than carrying it across. it's part of an effort to make the optics of this appear clean and organized. i will say, things are crowded here, a lot of shelters are at capacity, it's one of the reasons you see migrants were sleeping on the streets behind me. but it hasn't been quite as chaotic as we may have predicted. i have been told by border officials, they released more migrants last night, especially here in the sector, in el paso, and we'll have to continue to release migrants when they get overcapacity it'd. they cleared out a lot of capacity in ice and border control leading up to the surge, and wanting to mitigating the effects. but it is really hard for them

to control as the numbers increase. going into next week, cities like el paso could see more and more migrants released without enough room, and shelters won by nonprofits and with the city. that is what we are watching next, and of course, they do have these restrictions in place or not all migrants in who come across can come claim asylum, many could be quickly deported. it's gonna take far longer to process that without title 42, because they have to figure out whether or not they meet the criteria. it is not a quick expulsion before you hear their story, like it was under title 42. >> julia, thank you again for your years of great reporting on this, it helps in times like this where this is just complicated stuff. we need journalist like you who understand it. we appreciate, that we'll talk to you in the next hour, julie ainsley is in el paso, texas. joining me now is -- for the atlantic covering immigration immigration policy. she was on the show last, week since that giannis won the 2023 pulitzer prize for our investigation into the trump administration's family

separation policy. caitlin, congratulations on that in your important reporting. united been talking about this for years, and cloud you have the recognition you deserve on this. in a series of tweets this week you criticized what you described as doomsday coverage about this, the idea that there's gonna be this influx, it sort of speaks to the way donald trump used to talk about this invasion from the south. as julia said, it is not materialized into what a lot of coverage anticipated that it would which area lies into. tell me a bit about how we should be covering this? >> sure, will first of all, thank you so much, i really appreciate it, it is always great to be with you. what i was writing about in those tweets once in no way meant to minimize the amount of resources that a border patrol requires to process people in large, large numbers coming into the country, or is it meant to minimize the strain that cities feel, you know what

they immediately arrived, those first few days, and weeks afterwards. but my concern is that you know, having covered immigration for years now, probably once a year, maybe once every other year, there are some sort of surge, or unexpected surge that creates a panic. the new cycle that's better my mind a lot this week is the caravans of 2019. you remember how much focus and fear there was about large numbers of people in caravans coming to the united states. and what was the ultimate impact of that when people arrived? i don't think most americans felt a difference in their quality of life. and in fact, far fewer people them were into initially anticipated arrived in the country. i think that the real focus on these scary eye-popping numbers that grow each year, you know, i often point out the last administration to break records with border crossing was the trump administration. we're looking at not a surge that is come out of nowhere,

but in upward trend. i think that focusing on those eye-popping numbers, without doing the deeper reporting, you know, some of the things that you and i have talked about, why are people coming here, because there are so many available jobs in part because american employers are desperate to employ them. when you show these numbers, it fanned the flames of fear, it's understandable, there's so many americans who are struggling right now, struggling to provide from their own families. they see these scary numbers, they don't know what it means for their quality of life. they sort of assume the worst. i think, you know, or at this intractable place with immigration, and immigration policy, and an overhaul is desperately needed. i think it behooves all of us as journalist to cover the story with nuance, and not play into i think hysteria that really inflames people on both sides of the debate. >> so in a lot of cases there's mayors and county officials, and governors who are asking for emergency help from the

federal government in some cases it's because they want the resources to deal with the migrants,. but you have an example, the city new york city, like the country, very low unemployment rates. the country has 3.5% unemployment rate, we don't give enough birth to enough people to replace our workers. we need immigration a lot of migrants who come to the city get employment in a few days. >> that's right, sources say that within days of arrival, everybody who is stay in the shelters has a job. they're heading to construction sites every day, they're cleaning houses, cleaning offices, they're cutting lawns, and so i think it really calls into question the fear and the scariest that is implied by these big numbers alone, when they're kind of covered in a vacuum and it also undercuts in a way the argument that you know, these are people trying to exploit the american system, to take advantage of, us when clearly americans are benefiting from the services

are providing. again ali, i feel like i have to underscore, and no way do i want to underestimate or minimize the amount of resources, and the strain on a city like new york city. but at the same time, we have been dealing with homelessness, and we struggle to help new yorkers living in poverty for a very long time. i think that you know, eric adams, our mayor, he's focused on migration, it really lessens the pressure that he faces to address those issues that existed far before anything changed along the border. it's just, it's up to us as journalist to be a little more sophisticated in the way that we cover it, and make sure that we're not playing into the fearmongering over pre-existing issues. >> one of the pre-existing issues by the way is that this has not been a matter that's been dealt with in a comprehensive way. i don't, know you taught me the number, 20 years, 30 years, we have had, both parties deserve blame for this, but there is a sophisticated issue around the

immigration that we need in this country, and a separated issue relating to the security of the southern border. how do you, how do you delineate or combine the two. there's border security, there's immigration, for some americans are the exact same thing that they're not they're nuanced and they're different. >> that's right, it's the last major overhaul of our immigration laws was in 1986. should i even admit this is before i was born? since then, it has been static. and of course since, that the reasons that have been pushing people to the united states have put changed dramatically. our labor market is changed dramatically just about everything hands. and laws haven't caught up. part of the reason that they're stuck, is because as you pointed, out a linking of these two topics, immigration legal immigration, that means giving people access to visas, either because they have relatives living in the united states, or a job opportunity. and then on the other side, we have border security, so trying to minimize organized crime, trying to organize drugs into

human trafficking crossing the border. the two things get mired together, it creates stagnation. because republicans won't accept you know, just as a brief summary obviously, but republicans won't accept new opportunities, new legal pathways for people to come into the country without harder restrictions, democrats, the inverse is their position. so you end up getting stuck. you know, there's a congressman, tony gonzales, a republican out of texas, who has made interesting comments on this. and you know what struck me is some of his competency more to the left that the democratic party. even the progressives in the democratic party. he said these are two separate conversations you know these military veterans, he is very concerned about organized crime, drug cartels, but he says it really doesn't have anything to do with someone seeking asylum. the fact that we have an updated our immigration laws is why you're seeing a biden

administration placed these additional band-aids on access to asylum which is a really big deal. is taking us back in time, not restoring the asylum system that existed before the pandemic, and as its critics have said, you know it's a violating domestic and international law. i also think that more band-aids, for instructions on the silent could likely lead to an increase in illegal crossings, because we've seen again and again these mandates just don't work. >> kayla you've been our go-to for years on this topic, like i said, i'm glad again that is been recognized with your win of the 2023 pulitzer prize. please keep on doing this this issue is not going away and we haven't fixed elect you said since 1986 kayla dickinson is a staff writer for the atlantic. congressional leaders are meeting today to try and make progress towards resolving the debt ceiling crisis. but how do you gauge in a policy debate, when the other side doesn't believe in policy? i'll talk about it with a senior member with the house appropriations committee

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you know, i think he's worried that if he makes a deal that he can't keep, up he loses his speakership, right? this may be as much about his speaker limit, as it is about the debt limit of the country. >> more than likely, because again, we don't know what kind of agreements he made, but we do know that the speakership is very fragile. i can tell you, he's not going into negotiate the budget as a deal linked strategy, he's going in trying to link paying our bills, our debt, raising the debt ceiling to budget cuts. and he is holding the american people hostage. that is exactly what is taking place. i don't think he's in a fair negotiation with his constituents in american people. what he's trying to do is wreak havoc on the lives of so many people in america, in exchange for him maintaining his speakership. >> congresswoman, i want you to stay with you while you go to north carolina, governor roy cooper speaking right, now he's moments away from vetoing a

12-week ban on abortion. this is not governor cooper, this is the attorney general. so i'm gonna go back to, i'm gonna go back to this when the governor is there. but i may let me ask you about this representative louis. this is an interesting situation. north carolina has a democratic governor. but it has a super majority of republicans who are prepared to overturn the governor's veto. they've 72 republicans in the state senate. this is the upside down pineapple cakes and that is many states in america because of gerrymandering. >> go ahead. >> yeah, no, this is the point in terms of gerrymandering, in terms of rolling back our democratic rights, and in fact, we have to make sure that voting rights and ensuring that everyone has, every state house

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outspoken about the women's reproductive rights. this is roy cooper who is set now to sign a veto of his states 12-week abortion ban. let's listen in. >> wave your hands, wave your hands and show us where you are guys. >> they didn't amazing job studying this complicated, and confusing monster bill for the few hours they had. and arguing like heck for the few minutes they were given to try and stop this ban on the floor of the house. thank you. we are grateful for you. and we are going to need every single one of them as we carry on this fight. let's give them another backhand.

you know, as governor i work every day to move north carolina forward. better jobs, higher wages, better schools, safer streets, healthier communities. and i have tried to work with this legislation or whenever i can to get things done. forward is the only way ahead. [applause] >> but i know one thing for certain. standing in the way of progress right now is this republican super majority legislature that only took 48 hours to turn the clock back 50 years on women's health.

[crowd chanting] that's exactly what this bill does. it makes women jump through additional hoops, and navigate a wicked obstacle course just to get care. it puts a trusted clinics at risk of closing, it stops medication abortion after ten weeks. it tells doctors how, and one to practice medicine, and it threatens them with fines, and criminal charges if they don't do it like the politicians want them to do it. [crowd chanting] they say, they say they passed this bill because they care about the lives of children. really? really? [crowd chanting] then why not invest significantly more to reduce infant mortality in the state?

[applause] [applause] why not fully fund public education? [applause] instead of giving millionaires yet another tax break, and paying for their children's private school voucher. [crowd chanting] why not pay our children's teachers what they deserve? [applause] why not pass common sense legislation that deals with the fact that gunfire has surpassed car accidents as the number one cause of injury deaths for

children in this state. [applause] they say they passed this bill because they care about mothers. then why not invest more in quality childcare? [applause] so their children can learn and they can go to work. [applause] why not invest more to reduce the number of women who die in childbirth? [applause] why not equal pay for equal work? [applause] and by the way,