children and for the future of this country. comments like this that are made flippantly are made to energize the republican base, but quite honestly they should be disgusting and condemned for that. >> well, i did not know you are new mother, and let me just say congratulations on that. you are in for the right of your life. it is the best thing ever. i hope both my kids are listening right now, frankly. but anyway, there is that. all right, ladies, both of you, thank you so much. i appreciate your time on this. meantime, in just a moment, the man who could complicate the republican -- for donald trump in 2024, that is next. that is next. as i bet you all of the good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking, news just a short time ago president biden updated journalists on the state of debt ceiling talks. the president saying there are bill talks taking place and some progress. the deadline for resolving the

issue could be as early as june. the good, news staff for the president congressional leaders are meeting this weekend. they're all trying to make progress resolving the crisis as the june 1st deadline nears. also breaking today, customs and border patrol is reporting a drop in the number of migrants crossing the border following the lifting of title 42 restrictions. officials from coast to coast have been mobilizing to prepare for more migrants to arrive, the two dhs officials tell nbc news, between 75 and 8000 migrants -- compare that to 10,000 thursday, 11,000 on wednesday, another 11,000 on tuesday. we're gonna have live reports in just a moment. meanwhile, before talking about the debt ceiling, the president addressed graduates at howard university today, telling them this. >> today i got to howard, to continue the work to deem the soul of this nation.

i see the future. that's not a hyperbole. we can finally resolve the ongoing question about who we are as a nation. and put strength in our diversity, at the center of american life. the future celebrity and learn from history. the future of all americans. >> also today, in raleigh, north carolina, governor roy cooper vetoed gop legislation that would have banned nearly all abortions in his state after 12 weeks of pregnancy. as hundreds of women's rights advocates looked on. >> they say they passed this bill because they care about mothers. and why not invest more equality childcare? >> we are beginning this hour with two new decision 24 developments. we've got to reports from iowa

for you now from nbc,'s dasha burns, on the florida governor and nbc,'s van hillyard, who was on the former president. former president donald trump and florida governor, ron desantis, holding some dueling offense in the first top -- caucus state of iowa. let's go to sue center,, iowa governor desantis is speaking right now. behind you? so when can we officially see ron desantis jump into the presidential race? >> it is a great question, alex. it's one we've been asking for a long time. look, right now desantis is on the stage as the governor of florida. not yet a candidate. we have some exclusive new reporting from myself, my colleagues not dixon and jon allen that desantis is on the verge of an announcement here. on monday his political operation in tallahassee is moving into a new office. why am i telling you this? why does that matter? because of certain campaign finance rules that i'm not gonna bore you, with that means

that they will have 15 days from monday to file paperwork with the fec, that means that will be the first public acknowledgment that he is in fact running for president. here today, again, he is just the governor of iowa. but he does have a campaign style bus sitting outside and he comes into the state for the second time with endorsements. from 37 state legislators, which is a big deal in a state where the ground game is really going to matter. and this event is quite different from the first time he was in iowa. this is only his second visit ever. but this event is not just going to be him speaking like he is behind me, here but you can see the tables, behind me this is a picnic style event. it's representative of the annual family picnic. so you're gonna have the opportunity for that classic very prized iowa retail style politics that says -- wondering if he will be able to

win voters over in states like iowa and new hampshire, where you have to do the handshakes, you have to look people in the. i you have to be a straight shooter and answer those questions. so this will be a test in an opportunity for desantis to show that he can do this kind of campaigning as he is on the verge of becoming an actual candidate. >> you are right, that retail politics is something a lot of people have questioned whether he's got it in. him we shall see, dasha burns, thank you. as we, said desantis is not alone an, iowa former president trump is holding a rally in des moines tonight. let's go to ivan hillyard, he's in des moines, iowa for. as of, on what kind of reception should donald trump expect in iowa? is there any sign at all of trump trauma fatigue? >> well, let's first say right off the bat here, i don't think it's a surprise to anybody that donald trump is not much of a picnic guy. and that is why he, by contrast to rhonda santas, is holding one of his mega rallies here in the heart of des moines. 8 pm eastern start. time a lot couple of folks are

gathered. here we should know that donald trump announced this event after ron desantis made it clear that he was gonna come to iowa to spend the weekend. so this is him going against ron desantis as he wonders whether to jump into it as or not. utah asked about donald trump, fatigue i see no evidence of. that nbc national, polling 34% of americans view him positively. when you're looking at republican primary polling, he has his largest lead. yet i want you to listen to folks we talked to him last few minutes about the town hall just three days ago, in which he made a very clear that he is going to run a flippant campaign with frankly no regard for decency, truth or facts. take a listen. >> >> i think you did great, i think that the dems are whining about it because they don't know how to take it, because it's not a platform that he's usually on, now this watch cnn anymore.

but i thought he handled himself. well >> donald trump has proven himself. i mean, they just attack him every which way they can. and he is all gone to the. top he has shined. >> because, alex let's just put it this way, he has a potent amount of support here, nationally. we have seen, that not only in the republican primary but potentially in a general election. but this week showed is a obstructions for the rest of the country in the town hall. and what we've heard from folks is that they want him to continue to be. him there was no office getting over whether the 2020 election, whether they still believe it's rigged or, not he declared it was rigged and stolen. when it came to e. jean carroll in the -- u.s. found liable just earlier this week for sexual abuse, he continued to mock e. jean carroll and try to undercut her story. and so donald trump has made it clear how he is going to run this campaign in this republican primary, and that is

one of him being donald trump and for the folks that come out to these rallies, that's exactly the man who they have supported over the last eight years and intend to support in the months, ahead. alex >> got to, say those two that you interviewed, they may not watch cnn, they clearly don't also read the washington post and the outstanding fact-checking that was done the day after but showed the numerous inconsistencies, falsehood, lies, whatever you want to call it that was done by don't trump. anyway, thank you very, much we appreciate you. good to see you, we have more breaking news as a lot of dangerous weather is moving across the plains down to texas. the primary concerns are iowa and illinois, where large hail, damaging winds, even some tornadoes are possible today, it comes one day after 34 tornadoes were reported. this one caught on camera and eastern nebraska. the storms also produced hail as big as softballs. then, in southern, texas a likely tornado killed at least one person, injured several others in the middle of the night. more heavy rain falling across the state right, now with 10

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columbia, panama, costa rica, nicaragua, all over the place. >> nbc correspondent julia ainsley is standing by for, us we will go first to you, julia, in el paso, as i know you are there and you just got some recent. numbers let's go over those. what you heard of the numbers, stats outside of the sacred heart church. i know migrants are sleeping, there but maybe there will be fewer coming to sleep they are based on the numbers you have got. >> yeah, that is. right so these are just the friday numbers. i should say, these are from dhs officials. they have not officially released them until the entire month is combined, and they really said in the middle of the next. month so just looking at, yesterday what i'm told by dhs officials who are getting these numbers internally is that the number of migrants were between 7508. thousand that's lower than what we saw the previous days before title 42 was lifted, when they

saw between 11,000 and 10,000 per day. what this signifies now may lead, it's clear, we heard this from secretary mayorkas and others at dhs throughout the. week they have a lot of resources. here they expanded their, capacity they can expanded their bed space. they started processing a lot of the migrants who were lined up along the border ahead of title 42, so that they can alleviate any overcrowding and the expectation of a. surge we were still told that chief and border patrol on tuesday thought there was about 60,000 migrants waiting in northern mexico to come in. so it may be that more people are waiting to see what this new policy change looks like. they didn't want to be the first to go through in this new era when there is some new restrictions in place after title 42 lifted. so perhaps that is the cooldown that we're seeing, now and it's still something to. watch both in terms of what happens on the streets, like this behind, meet where migrants are still sleeping on the streets, because shelters are overcrowded and how the

biden administration addresses what could still very wealthy -- still very well is an american humanitarian crisis. >> absolutely, i want to commend you on the report that you did yesterday, it aired on nightly news and it showed what it's like living inside those shelters that you visited. it's pretty extraordinary. thank you for that piece of journalism as well. let's go now to the san diego international airport where we're trying to get out of the airport today. it can be got quite a challenge. that's where we find and feces, quad venegas. tell us what you see at the airport. >> alex, we're seeing groups of migrants arriving -- i spoke to work at the airport who told me they had large numbers of migrants that have been dropped off and shelters for flights. and it was difficult for some of them because of the confusion, many of them have never been to an airport. others were dropped off early in the morning for a flight that would leave at 10 pm and they didn't have food or money so some of the workers here had to help them get food, including some families with

kids. so this is what it's been like at san diego. airport for him, even i would like to also mention, when julia talks about the humanitarian crisis, camps at the border just 30 miles away from here, we like the one in san diego, we were at those camps and there's a humanitarian crisis happening there of migrants who have been waiting for days. looking to turn themselves into border patrol. just days ago a lot of the people that you see behind, me, alex they weren't at the camp that we are at into you wanna. just a few minutes ago we are talking to this. one bonus diaz. there was some confusion, she was looking for her. friends they went to different shelters. she is now found. them this is the documents that they get. i'm gonna ask her not to show them on camera for privacy reasons. she was processed for two days. and then she was at a shelter. two days in the shelter.

they are going to new york. she has a friend in new york who helped her for the flight cost. so this is her son. how do you feel? alex, i saw a lot of their faces days. go a lot of the individuals here and you could see how things are different. they are smiling. a lot of the individuals that were camped at the border for days, i didn't see a single smile in the time i was. there and they do feel, relief but there is also a sense of confusion. i've been having conversations with more of them. you can see how the shelters have an individual that guides them through the process. they are all holding white papers. that is the paper that says what airline they are, on their personal information, and the guide that can use the papers -- so back there there's the passengers that run, delta at, blue these are going to united. and that's the way the shelters

have organized it. some shelters are bringing in the migrants this way and they guide them. we did get reports that other shelters are so overwhelmed,, alex that they have dropped off passengers and those migrants, asylum seekers, and they had to figure it out on their own. so we're seeing different situations here in southern california, we have eight different shelters in the san diego area. three of them are run by catholic charities. i spoke with the ceo of catholic charities, and he said as of yesterday, they have gotten 1200 asylum seekers at their shelters. now the idea for the shelters is the process them as fast as possible. again, alex, these are individuals, asylum seekers that have a sponsor and have helped by that thing. to get so the idea is to process them as fast as possible so they can get to their destination. also, everyone i asked in that group about court they told me they had a court date. >> what a great comprehensive report, really showing us how this is happening. those white papers in their

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to the charlottesville neo-nazi white supremacy's rally. he reminded the crowd, from anomaly by crowd, what trump said about being good people on both. sides he talked about it as a moment in a long struggle of racial progress. he said he was surprised at how ferocious the back has been for the racial struggle over the. years and it was time for this young generation to take the lead in fighting for the progress and his name is under threat. he talked about white supremacy being the most dangerous terrorist threat in the country. he talked about sinister forces that are trying to take the country back. and he talked about his predecessor and potential challenger, he is embracing those forces. >> yeah. president biden saying today, peter, that talks on the debt ceiling are moving forward and in your new article you said that part of the presidents plan to avoid the country defaulting on its debt is to woo republican moderates in hopes of convincing them to break away from speaker kevin mccarthy, how successful has

that strategy been thus far? >> well, so far it hasn't. but the idea is planting the seeds down the road. so we will probably no closer to june 1st what the treasury department says and it will run out of ways to avoid a default. even though his last, moments before that potential disasters outcome, if that's what it comes. to the president is hoping the moderates will speak up and find a way to pressure mccarthy into raising that, ceiling without the kind of conditions that the president will accept. the president wants to attach the spending cuts that the republicans want to attach. to it at the moment you're not gonna see, and i think that's the kind of thing for the endgame. planting the seeds. and i remember kevin mccarthy only passed this legislation to raise the debt ceiling with spending cuts by a single vote. if he loses that vote, that would not have, passed so you don't have to convince that many moderates just which. over the question is how you go about doing, it nobody is quite sure. right now we're still a couple of weeks away it looks like from the endgame.

>> i will take it up to the 11th hour, as they typically do. let's get your reaction to donald trump's town hall on cnn this week. given your work, peter following donald trump's political career, and of course interviewing him for your latest book, the divider. what did you make of the town hall? >>, well look, i think it's important for viewers who don't much, fox or watch the, rallies to be reminded of what he really stands for. but he really says. he told us the second term was gonna be like, this he told us he was not gonna continue shuddering, arms he was gonna put the country and some sort of -- he said go ahead and default. he said the country should double to let's. debt that is potentially a cataclysmic idea according to. economists he told us that he's not gonna back ukraine in the war against russia. he told us that he is going to pardon the vast majority of the january 6th rioters and in fact, rescind the pardons who were convicted of seditious conspiracy. that is potty as the country. eagles again and again what he is going to do in his second

term. and i think it's important that people have a chance to see that and be reminded of exactly who he is and what he's planning to do if he were to win the white house again. >> it's a good point you. make do you have any sense of how trump's inner circle feels about the town hall? so they see it as a win? or that it may have done more harm than good? they do, they see it as a win, that's true, they like anytime he's on television, frankly. that is to him the measure of all success. what he actually says or the substance matters less than the fact that he's on television. back, he's on cnn for the first time in years. so in that sense they do feel like they got a win out of. it in some ways the biden people too, because they feel like this, again, demonstrates what in their view is the threat to the country. biden self tweeted -- tweeted right afterwards that this is what you're in, for an effect, if you -- >> for more years of this? of that? i think that's what he said. >> but, i have to ask, peter,

did donald trump gain one voter? suburban women? do you think they're gonna say, i like what he said about e. jean carroll. i'm giving him my vote? >> yeah, he's not about expanding his coalition. and look, he never. husband he's always been about bolstering his base, not about reaching out to people who support him or never supported him in the first place. he's not expanding one inch since he first ran for office. and it's not been his goal. his goal is always been to energize and galvanize those already supporting him and hope that they turn it in bigger numbers than the other. side he never reached out to moderates or people on the left or anything like that. because he doesn't feel like he has. two unlike traditional candidates, for president including biden, he does reach out to people who might not have necessarily supported, him even if he doesn't succeed. >>, yeah okay, i'll be reaching out to you for next, weekend i'll see you then.

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just moments ago president biden gave an update on debt limit negotiations as the deadline nears to avoid a default. >> we're moving along. it's hard to tell. we are not reaching a crunch point yet. so there is still discussions about -- but we're not there. yet >> those new comments come as staff level talks are taking place this weekend after president biden and top congressional leaders pushed a key meeting to the beginning of next week. joining me now is california congressman, ted lieu, a democratic member of the house judiciary and foreign affairs committee and for unfair -- of the -- welcome back to the broadcast. give me your reaction, sir, to the president's comments and what more can you tell us about where negotiations are this

weekend? is there a good faith effort underway or not? >> i thank, you, alex for your question. republicans want to crash the u.s. economy by not paying our bills. that is insane. the constitution requires that we honor our debts, the credit clause of the constitution. but more importantly it's what allows the united states to be a global leader. the corporations have businesses new u.s. around the world know that we will not default on our debts >>. it is encouraging that staff from the various caucuses have been meeting and talking and making some progress. so let's see what happens in the next few days, and i look forward to a resolution where we pay our bills because the alternative is catastrophic. >> given the pressure on all, of this i know the president is looking at the 14th amendment. yes, the 14th amendment. i believe it is clause four. as a potential way to work

around the debt ceiling. treasury secretary yellen calls this idea legally questionable. how do you see it? >> if there is an alternative -- to crash the u.s. economy or fold the constitution, we should just follow the constitution. my hope is it doesn't get there. we are making progress with the staff level talks. it's my hope that republicans will come to their senses. so, look we're happy to have a conversation about our budget and debt and revenues and so on. but we can't just not pay our bills. and it's a sticking point, speaker mccarthy needs to take defaulting on our debt off the table. >> speaking of republicans, congressman george santos pleaded not, guilty as, you know to 13 count federal indictment. he's been under pressure to resign since before he was even sworn into congress. does this change things speaker mccarthy has said he is not going to support his reelection. so do you think republicans will take action now?

>> my hope is that speaker mccarthy allows a bill on the floor by congressman robert garcia to expel george santos. under the constitution, the members of the house have that authority to expel members from misconduct. these are serious charges. they include money laundering, theft of public funds, george santos allegedly wrongfully got unemployment insurance. and a criminal court of law, george santos is entitled to a presumption of innocence. the house of representatives is not a criminal court of. law we have the ability to expel george santos and i hope speaker mccarthy gives us that ability. >> we will, see in the meantime let's see what donald trump said about january 6th and his town hall. let's take a listen. >> they were there, proud they were there with love in their heart. that was an unbelievable and beautiful day. >> will you pardon the january 6th rioters who were convicted of federal offenses?

>> i'm inclined to pardon many of them. i can't say for every single one because a couple of them probably got out of control. >> they were there with love in their heart, it was a beautiful day. what do you make of him pardoning january 6th rioters? >> it is disgusting. 141 enforcement officers were injured that day. there was an attack on our capital. some of those law enforcement officers suffered serious injuries. you cannot support donald trump and support law enforcement. that is something that is simply doesn't go together because donald trump is essentially saying it was okay. with two assault police officers. i also note that donald trump's statements show that he is not doing anything to reach out to anyone who is not a mega republican. in his statement, which may be good for his primary, are going to be very damaging for him in the general election. democrats and joe biden will use the statements and ads and

in fact we've already been doing that. >> the sentiment just expressive peter baker, he didn't gain one single vote from what we saw. i mean, who is gonna say oh, yeah this sounds, good all throw might vote behind him. anyway, we do know that he was asked about the classified documents found in mount mar-a-lago. here's part of this. >> when it comes to your, documents did you ever show those classified documents to anyone? >> not. really i would have the right to. by the, way they were declassified. not that i can think. of let me just tell you, i have the absolute right to do whatever i want with them. i have the right. >> that is an extraordinary exchange right there. special counsel jack smith, likely taking notes? >> absolutely. federal prosecutors are already thrilled when donald trump stuff stuff on national tv because what he says sometimes incriminates him. the law is not written that way. donald trump does not have the absolute right to do whatever he wants with classified documents.

by the, way there is a process for declassifying documents. when you declassify a document, everyone gets to see it. including msnbc, including the kremlin. so donald trump cannot just say he declassified documents and not tell anyone. there's no such thing is that. donald trump broke the law. it's clear as day. >> okay, my friend in california congressman, ted lieu, thank you so, much have a good saturday. and i mean, time now to a stunning case involving a plane crash stunned by a former u.s. olympic snowboarder. accused of intentionally crashing the plane he was piloting to get online video views, and trying to cover up the evidence. nbc scottie shorts has the story. >> it was a sensational moment, a propeller stops in midair. then, this awkward dive out. then a plane crash suspiciously caught on camera from several angles. this crash was apparently no. accident according to federal authorities, the pilot, 29 year

old, trevor daniel jacob, has pled guilty to a felony charge. they said he staged the whole thing for the sake of making a youtube video that has racked up more than 3 million views. >> i guess i should probably document what's going on. i cut my finger pretty bad. i cut my elbow. i'm so happy to be alive. but even after he posted the video in 2020, one someone online started pointing out a few things that seemed amiss. first, in the youtube, video he never appears to call for help. second, it shows his door was already open before the engine stopped and third, it seems like jacob was wearing a parachute and grab his selfie stick. on the ground, we. god, thank you universe. thank you higher power. for watching over me. >> investigators say he also lied to them about not knowing where the plane crashed and went back again later thing to get rid of the. wreckage u.s. attorney said it was all motivated by a sponsorship deal to promote a

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million dollar sexual abuse defamation judgment against donald trump. his lawyers have filed a notice saying he plans to appeal his loss in new york civil court this week, t.j. carroll. meanwhile, carroll is mulling a ban new defamation suit following trump's comments about her during a cnn town hall. joining me, now msnbc legal analyst, and lisa, ribbon who is in the courtroom for the entire trial. , lisa welcome. we saw the dramatic testimony in this history making case. do you have a sense of what the appeal might be based on? and what would happen next? >> i, do alex, you know, there was a motion for a mistrial, in the middle of the case, that gives a little bit of a road map to what joe tacopina and his fellow lawyers representing what donald trump might be thinking. up it really breaks down to a few things. one, they argue that natasha's stone, off who is another of donald trump's accusers never should've been allowed to

testify. why? because under the federal roofs of evidence, she was not a victim of a sexual assault or attempted sexual assault because trump's then head butler at mar-a-lago walk in on them midway through trump forcibly kissing her and pushing up against a wall. and there are a litany of other complaints like that about evidence that was improperly admitted or rulings that the judge made that he shouldn't have that he like -- for example, dna evidence to match up with the dress e. jean carroll said she was wearing that day and kept. that is dna evidence, by the, way that you decal tried to get from donald trump for over three years before joe tacopina entered the case and donald trump was finally ready to cooperate. at that point the judge said to, that so, sad we're moving on. >> i know, lawyer but i gotta tell, you that sounds like a bunch of technicalities. let's play part of trump's deposition. his testimony about being a

so-called star and some of the interactions with women that he claims stars get away. with let's watch this. >> historically that's true with stars, >> it's true with stars that they can grab women? >> if you look over the last million, years that's been largely true. not, always but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you could say that, yeah. >> he chose, lisa, not to testify in his own defense and open. court but what -- did the jury rely on this videotape deposition? >> this videotape deposition with in combination with the live testimony from the case was crucial because e. jean carroll's lawyers said this is the playbook, and now we're gonna show you three examples of how it played out in real life. one of them was obviously e. jean carroll's story, the other two were from other accusers. jessica liu who alleges that donald trump sexually assaulted

her in 1970, nine and natasha starting, off the witness you are talking about a few moments, ago who alleges she was sexually assaulted at mueller a log out in 2005. so without donald trump on that videotape, essentially admitting to the playbook that he himself discussed on the access hollywood, tape the testimony would not have come across as credible as it did. it was all about stuff in combination together. >> i'm curious, big picture, you wrote that carole's victory is a legitimate not all meant moment. does this case offer hope for victims and sex abuse cases going forward? >> i think it offers some hope, but i also want to be careful about that. this is a jury in new york. it was not entirely a jury made up of new york city residents. only two of them were manhattan-ites. but i also want to be careful about the fact that new yorkers might come to this trial with a different disposition and

understanding of sexual assault and maybe some other areas of the country. that having been said. having achieved this verdict, with a jury of six men and three women, it was nothing short of remarkable. eugene carroll's lawyers created their own playbook for sexual assault victims to follow in the future. you want to convince male jurors that this happened? use a male lawyer to whom they can relate. to essentially convey to them good men, healthy men, real men, believe women and understand that you can be a victim of trauma and yet not behave like a quote unquote perfect rape victim should. like joe tacopina told the, jury e. jean carroll should have -- will set, and well written my friend. thank you. so what would him say about the times we're in? someone who knows and loves him more than pretty much anybody else towards me next.

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remember tim russert, the longest running moderator of nbc's meet the press from 1991 until it untimely death in 2008. americans turn to tim to help make sense of politics in washington, if not the entire world around us, shaped by elected officials. as much as his voice in presents are missed by many, there is no one more so than his son, luke. who's following his father's footsteps in more ways than one. joining me now is tim's son,

luke russert, former nbc capitol hill correspondent, former host of the briefing here on msnbc, and author of the outstanding new book, look for me there. grieving my father, finding myself. welcome, my friend. it's so good to see you. look, we're gonna dive in your book in just a moment. first, your dad was a walking fact-checker who approached every single interview with his no nonsense, nonpartisan approach. what do you think he'd think of the political divide that not only prevents congress from accomplishing much, but it tips me calling in lies as normal behavior? >> well, alex, thank you so much rather be on this morning. i have to admit, i got flashbacks when i woke up to emails from msnbc booking making sure it's gonna be in the right position through my saturday live shot. i thought that was cuomo -- you ask a very good question. i think one thing that i would look back on, with my father passed in june 2008, 15 years

ago almost, it feels like it was an end of an era. what i mean by, the broadcast news, and the papers still carried a lot of way, cable news was still very much there, not as opinion as it is now. social media did not hit you in the face, every single moment. throwing opinion, opinion. often vitriol. very mean things in regards to politics. i think what you see now is a real sort of move away from civility. that's said, there's two things, one it brings the discourse down to an awful, disgusting level. which a lot of people want to turn off and just not participate in their own democracy. secondly, i think this is something that we really need to keep an eye on, especially with the younger generation, there's so many people that don't want anything to do with politics. because of how bad it's gotten. there's a lack, i think, in the future you might see a lack of a good caliber candidate because of this. that's a serious issue.

you want your best and brightest and most civil people participating, right now, a look at it, man, i don't often want to get involved in that. that will be something that prevents -- and very said, even much believe in the american experiment, part of, that is having a real civic participation in your democracy. >> yeah, one or 2%. you found a 1999 interview that your dad did with donald trump, who is testing the waters for a presidential campaign in the reform party. listen to this. >> you are a registered republican. >> correct. >> there is a form that is being filed monday, tomorrow, with a board of elections, which says what? >> it says that i'm joining, as of monday, the reform party. which in new york is the independent party. and i look for doing so. >> why are you joining the reform party? >> well, for one thing, i really believe the republicans are just too crazy right. they're just, what's going on, it's just nuts. >> yeah, that was then, this is

now. what goes through your mind when you hear that? >> i think, what my father did very effectively in that interview, and i think it's something that a lot of us could learn from, he really asked donald trump policy questions. and did not get much into personal. that is something where, i think, were very well served in our democracy when there's a focus on policy. and those type of specific questions about, okay, you are republican yesterday, your democrat a few years ago, now you hear. what is the policy shifts that have led you to go to a new party? in that case, republican party got to right. i think today, he's gone full circle in that. on that proclamation. it's honing in on what you do specifically, regarding health care. would you do specifically regarding nuclear weapons. or did you specifically regarding income inequality, et cetera. instead of the personal politics which a lot of politicians are much more comfortable playing in, they

can run out the clock. if you come at it from a personal standpoint, it's very easy to say, oh, you don't like me. the press is rigged. i mean go. >> i think ivo should look at that interview if they possibly can. 1999, it's extraordinary, revelatory. quickly, your book is beautifully written. look, i settle in to finish it after crying a bit through chapter one, when you're writing about your father's sudden death and how you can hear him cheering you on as you delivered his eulogy at the funeral. you worked in tv, covered politics until just before the 2016 election, you pulled a took off from everything you knew with chamberlain, your pug dog, and your old truck, what was that journey across three years and six continents all about for you? >> well, it was affirming in a way. which i knew i needed to leave d.c., i felt anxious, i wasn't feeling fulfilled. i felt that i was upholding a legacy and i did know why was independent of my last name, and depended my my hometown. i set out to travel, hoping to find some clarity, and didn't come immediately. took some time.