if you come at it from a personal standpoint, it's very easy to say, oh, you don't like me. the press is rigged. i mean go. >> i think ivo should look at that interview if they possibly can. 1999, it's extraordinary, revelatory. quickly, your book is beautifully written. look, i settle in to finish it after crying a bit through chapter one, when you're writing about your father's sudden death and how you can hear him cheering you on as you delivered his eulogy at the funeral. you worked in tv, covered politics until just before the 2016 election, you pulled a took off from everything you knew with chamberlain, your pug dog, and your old truck, what was that journey across three years and six continents all about for you? >> well, it was affirming in a way. which i knew i needed to leave d.c., i felt anxious, i wasn't feeling fulfilled. i felt that i was upholding a legacy and i did know why was independent of my last name, and depended my my hometown. i set out to travel, hoping to find some clarity, and didn't come immediately. took some time.

going through a difficult period in 2018, i started to review journals, i realized i was doing two things. i was simultaneously trying to out-run something, and i was brief, and then looking for something. that was trying to find my identity. that's what the books about. that happens over six continents, deeply internal journey, in many external visible physical places. i hope you check it out. >> we will, this is my coffee, everybody, enabling anybody wants to to come in my office and borough it. they can't keep it, bring it back. >> by more. >> that's exactly they should. luke russert, it's a pleasure to see you, thank you so much. best of luck with the book, that's gonna do it for me, everyone, on this edition of alex witt reports, my father's my dear friends -- she continues our coverage right now. ues ou >> and good afternoon, i'm lindsey reiser in for yasmin vossoughian, new numbers just in from the border on this crucial first weekend since title 42 ended.

amid fears of an influx of new attempts to cross the border. >> my daughter has a better future. one day she can say, we made it. and then we can have a better future. >> i've gotten women crying on my shoulder because they've been sexually assaulted. their daughters. >> you feel as though you're living in a dream? and that i can't wake up? i have been able to sleep. at night, my nightmare. everything is a nightmare. >> breaking weather news, at least one person has died in texas as tornadoes hit the state from a storm system that swept through the plain states and other areas. down to the wire with no sign of public negotiations to avert a government shutdown in a matter of weeks, we'll have the latest on the behind the scenes talks going on right now.

plus, crossing paths. donald trump in the man he sees as his key rival for the republican presidential nomination both in iowa today, holding dueling events. we have reporters covering both and we'll have more on that ahead. we begin though with new numbers of southern border crossings, which remain elevated but the expected influx of migrants, after title 42 was lifted, has not exactly come to pass. customs and border patrol stopped between 70 508,000 undocumented immigrants just yesterday. that is down from the peak of 11,000 reported earlier in the week. nbc's julie ainslie is an el paso, texas. -- is in san diego, california. julia, first, let's start with those numbers. how much does it have to do with the new policies on seeking asylum? >> well, it could be, lindsey. this is speculating here, it could be that some migrants decided that they wanted to wait to see how those newport border policies would look before they crossed. oftentimes, there can be this

mistrust, they don't know it's gonna be harder to claim asylum. when those new policies went into place that now require the migrants to have first tried to claim asylum in a country they've passed through, like mexico. or they'd be deemed ineligible, when they come up to the u.s. border. so, it could be that some migrants are waiting on that. whereas previously, they may have heard from friends or family who got across, more released, and message them to tell them to come. it's certainly good news for the biden administration, this is something they've been watching an event taking a lot of hits from republican saying, the expected surge was their fault for not having a more secure border policy. even though they were surging a lot of resources down to the border, we've heard for border officials on that all week. good news for, now i will say that's the first day. border officials i've spoken to, dhs officials say, look, it's really going into the next week that they're looking at. this numbers climb it will take them longer to process migrants now than it did under title 42. they'll have to hear whether or not someone is eligible to make an asylum claim. versus under title 42 where

they could immediately send them back into mexico. if that happens, border processing facilities could over fill, they would have to release more migrants to shelters and if the shelters can't hold them all, they'll be released under the streets, as you already see, it's already happening. because of the surge early in the week, here in el paso, like these migrants behind me, many of them did sleep on the streets overnight. >> well, okay. let's turn to you here at the airport. tell us what you are seeing? what is happening to these people once they do get across the border? >> lindsey, those that are allowed to remain in the u.s. and continue their asylum seeking process will be turned over to shelters, the san diego area has eight different shelters, we've been a communication with catholic charities, they have one of the larger ones, three different ones in the area. one of the larger ones that has been receiving a lot of these asylum seekers. last number they gave me yesterday, they got 1200 of them in one day. they normally see 3 to 400, the most they see on a busy day is

up to 6 to 700. they're now getting 1200. you can understand what the surge is like, inside the shelters. after they go stay at a shelter for a day or two, then they're taken to the airport, i'm told by catholic charities, 95% of those asylum seekers that come to the shelters, after they've been released, have a sponsor or have someone somewhere in the u.s. that has helped them by a plane ticket. so, we came to the airport because i got reports yesterday, the airport was grounded with migrants. there's migrants the come from other shelters, some of them getting dropped off in the morning with no food, or money, have to wait all day with their flight. that's just the way it's been done, i assume, some of the shelters are also crowded from the large numbers that are being released by the government, by cbp. here's a conversation i had with a migrant, just minutes ago. >> [interpreter] she says the processing center is cold, everyone's jammed and smaller. [speaking non-english]

>> [interpreter] she says that her little space at the processing center, everybody's crap together, they have to sleep on the floor. >> so, lindsey, for days we've been asking customs and border protection for access to one of these processing centers, to have an idea what it's like. i've been told by officials, by border patrol agents as well, they are packed, they're at capacity. so, the best explanation i've gotten has been from some of these individuals, who are inside these processing centers, just days ago. the asylum seekers are telling me the same thing as you heard. the numbers in there are at capacity, she mentioned how she had to sleep on the floor, she then went to a shelter, and that woman that i spoke to is about to get on a flight at noon. to meet her sponsors. we've seen a lot of confusion because the asylum seekers are being processed much more quickly than before, because of that large influx. that's in the san diego area, we've seen what's happening in texas, where the numbers are even larger. you have crowds in the streets,

now, what i've been told by shelters here, they've been able to manage that merge in, if it keeps growing, cbp or dhs will be forced to drop off migrants at transit centers or other spaces, to make room for more that have to be processed. because the shelters could reach capacity, where they can't take anymore in, to help them come to the airport and go through this whole process, lindsey? >> okay, -- thank you both so much for your reporting. north carolina's governor, roy cooper, vetoed a state abortion ban at a public rally in raleigh today. the legislation would've banned nearly all abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, and it also placed additional restrictions on physicians, abortion clinics, and women seeking the procedure. here's what the governor said a short time ago. >> standing in the way of progress right now, is this republican super majority legislature that only took 48

hours to turn the clock back 50 years on women's health. let's be clear. this bill has nothing to do with making women safer. and everything to do with banning abortion. >> the governor's veto now sets up an override vote by the gop super majority legislature there. let's turn now to the nation's capital, where lawmakers and the president have left town, without a deal on the debt ceiling. but they say aides are working this weekend, ahead of more meetings between president biden and the speaker next week. so, let's go to nbc's julie tsirkin at the capitol, julie. everyone left, you're there, understand the president spoke about this short time ago. what did he say? >> yeah, we're all alone in this building. staff for the president and congressional leaders are meeting all we can to try to hammer out a deal, and get a little bit closer, just before that june 1st deadline. i should note, next week is the last week the house and senate are expected to be in session at the same time before they're

both set to leave for the memorial day recess. president biden before boarding air force one, just a short time ago, talked to reporters about progress that is being made towards upper a deal to avoid catastrophic default as early as june 1st. watch. >> we're moving along. hard to tell. we haven't reached the crunch point yet. real discussion about some changes. we're not there yet. >> a little bit hard to hear there, lindsey, he said we're not there yet, progress is moving, talks are moving, he said, quote, they're moving along, referring to the staff that are negotiating this deal as we speak right now. still, if you listen to president biden, if you listen to speaker kevin mccarthy, who talk to reporters just a day ago. they're saying the two sides are still quite far apart, democrats are sticking to their position here, in wanted to lift the debt ceiling in a clean way. and negotiate spending cuts in the future, republicans

equipped with that house passed, republican bill to do that, to lift the debt ceiling and cut some spending. they're sticking to their position, saying those two things should be done in tandem. the two sides here still very far apart, two weeks left to go. >> julie tsirkin, we know standup of this, thank you. >> we are just getting started, 60 seconds, a deli tornado hits texas after sweeping through the plain states. we're on the ground with the latest. later this hour, donald trump and ron desantis both in iowa today, coming very close to crossing paths. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon. (cecily) wow! (seth) and i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. (cecily) not that you're bragging. (vo) choose the phone you want, on us. during our spring savings event. (cecily) on the network worth bragging about. verizon your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a

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can you tell us? >> yeah, hey, lindsey, officials from the national weather service were actually sent out there to assess the damage. and confirmed that it was an ef1 tornado, responsible for one fatality and ten injuries. we have seen some pretty dramatic footage from that area this morning, homes and businesses damaged and power lines down. still, sifting through the rubble there to assess exactly what the green cleanup efforts will look like. there's still severe weather that is moving through the area, sort of in pockets at this point. scattered severe weather that goes, basically, to the northeast and where we are in san antonio, texas, right now. as we can see behind me, some of that weather has already happened here. this is a highway under pass that is next to a creek, and the creek has spilled over, shutting down the roadway, obviously, some urging a vehicle. you can see that sign there that measures the depth of the water earlier today, that water was up to five feet, you can just tell, how fast this water

comes and goes. it's already starting to recede, but we have the possibility of scattered storms later this afternoon here in san antonio. this is an area that is very prone to flooding, that is because it's so dry here. the ground doesn't actually absorb all that rain and all the heavy rainfall that is coming from this slow-moving storm storm system. everything is still under a watch here in this area of texas for tomorrow afternoon, so, mother's day plans could be taking a turn depending on where these pockets of weather pop-up. >> i mean, i know the car is already slightly submerged, enough any bills of getting extreme anxiety seeing the convertible there, knowing that there are scattered storms forecast, how bad could things get this afternoon in texas, katie? >> that's why they call it flash flooding. it does come suddenly and spontaneously, and when there's 3 to 5 inches of rain in the forecast over a 12 hour period, especially, in low lying areas or dry areas like san antonio, they can can catch folks by

surprise. i think the worst of the severe weather has started to make its way out of this area, but as for the northern plains area of the country, they're going to be experiencing it next, they could involve hail, again, the threat of tornadoes has not subsided completely. these are pockets in pop-up storms, if you will, that could have a real severe impact. >> katie back, you and your crew stay safe, thank you so much. >> still ahead, the lifting of title 42 at the border, it's just one piece of the larger ending of the covid-19 emergency. we're gonna look at how the two issues are colliding. what medical concerns still remain? and the clock is about to start taking down, for ron desantis, to make his 2024 presidential announcement. we are live from iowa, where the florida governor and former president trump are dueling for voters attention. >> i'm coming out, you man. >> probable.

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to a cease-fire, just moments ago. the agreement was mediated by egypt, it will go into effect shortly at 10 pm local time. and d.c.'s raf sanchez joins us now from tel aviv. raf, we were hurling earlier today, there was no cinch it -- well into this development? >> lindsey, as you said, egypt acting as the mediator, going back and forth between the israelis and palestinian islamic jihad, and at this hour, there are very widespread, but so far, unconfirmed reports of a cease-fire. as you said, beginning at 10 pm, local time. about 40 minutes from now. we are expecting to hear, potentially, as soon as the next few minutes, from the egyptian mediation team, they will lay out the terms of the cease-fire, if one has indeed been reached. we should say a couple of things here. one, there has been talk about cease-fires before. they have not held, we will see what happens in 40 minutes, whether the guns actually go silent. the other thing, lindsey, there can be a kind of sick irony to

these cease-fire agreements, because both sides know that a deal is coming, they try to shoot as much as they can in the remaining minutes, and just in the last few moments, we have had an alert of more rocket fire from gaza into the areas immediately run the gaza strip. which could be an indication that islamic jihad is trying to get a few more shots in before the cease-fire comes into force around 40 minutes time. lindsey, earlier today, a garden worker who is actually working in israel, who had permission to leave gossip to work in israel, was killed by palestinian fire earlier in the day, two palestinians also killed by israeli forces in the occupied west bank. we are now getting confirmation that it was an elderly israeli woman who died when a palestinian rocket hit an apartment building in the city of rover, last night. up until this point, had been the only confirmed israeli casualty.

there are more than 30 people dead inside gaza from these five days of fighting, including a number of small children, there was a five-year-old girl killed in the first moments of this operation, carried out by the israeli military, when israeli killed three seely senior members of islamic jihad. they killed a number of children who are in the houses of these alarming john commanders. lindsey, as we know, there are reports of a cease-fire beginning potentially in 40 minutes time. lindsey? >> a push in that context you give us, how has the latest violence, raf, affected the mass protest throughout israel over the prime minister's plan to overhaul the judiciary? >> yeah, it really interesting. 18 weeks in a row, rain, shine, whatever is going on, it really protesters have been gathering here in tel aviv. in other areas to protest against prime minister benjamin netanyahu's plan to overhaul the israeli judiciary, to weaken the israeli supreme court. the official protest tonight have been canceled, given the

ongoing rocket fire, there is a feeling among organizers it was not safe. to have tens of thousands of people gathered in the middle of tel aviv, when those sirens go off, everybody running towards bomb shelters, there is the potential for a crush, protesters have still gathered, even though the official event was called off, but they're there in smaller numbers now. we're not expecting to see anything like the kind of crowds we've seen for the last few weeks. lindsey? >> rough centers, appreciate your reporting, thank you. happening now in europe, ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy, is in rome. where he's meeting with key leaders there, including pope francis. it's his first visit to italy since the beginning of the russian invasion, the vatican saying in a statement, the meeting was 40 minutes long, and the two leaders discussed the humanitarian and political situation in ukraine caused by the ongoing war. polls are showing turkey's leader more than two decades is trailing behind his rival just as voters head to the polls for a high stakes election that

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joining me right now to discuss, -- gop strategist and msnbc political analyst, basil smikle, a democratic strategist. susan, are you hearing that from people within the party, people just waiting for desantis to wait into this before they ditch the former president? >> i think they were waiting, before ron desantis showed america who he is. most of the time, when you are governor, he is the legislative session for your advantage. when you're gonna run for higher office. i think desantis hit the trifecta of stupidity when it comes to winning a general election. he got rid of permits for guns, independents don't like that, he put a six-week abortion ban in the state, bad politics turned off a lot of donors. and the fight with disney? which cannot be won? it is moronic. he's scaring big business. the fact that he would take that kind of retribution. in his time while people wanted to get behind him, because he wasn't trump, they realize,

he's probably not the answer. every time i read something it's like, big donor went from desantis to tim scott. andy sabin. there's other people who are moving away. they don't like what they see. >> so, basil, i want to put up something for political here. some new reporting from -- it was a gubernatorial campaign manager for desantis and a close aide, everyone knows the majority of the republican party wants to move on. talking about trump. there, essentially, convinced of this from other internal polling. the money that they are predicting will come in once he enters the race. do you think they're betting too heavily on this sort of surge in popularity and money for when this impending announcement comes? >> in a way, into susan's point earlier and also a talk about the flip side of her argument, she's right. ron desantis has used his legislature in ways that most of the governors wish they could use the legislature, very strong with that. even though he's had members of congress from florida go to donald trump's side.

what you're seeing from ron desantis, in the state of florida, is basically how you get around the country. it is knowing exactly where all the power is in the bureaucracy, throughout the state. this is a guy that got involved in school board elections, governors don't do that. so, my point is, i think what's concerning, what concern republicans, great, you don't like donald trump, you want an alternative. is this guy the alternative you want? where he really does understand how to do the move the levers of power bureaucracy, but not in the way that's gonna endure a lot of republican stalwarts, nor be able to win in a general election. >> that's the key to. the general election. he's move himself where the big republican donors and politico 's, you know what their goal is? to win in november. now, -- >> that overarching argument right now, the problem of our primary system,? >> that's a whole another, we can deathly get into the our primary system, which frankly,

i think it should all look like new hampshire, you could be in a republican or democrat, and if you're not affiliated, you get to choose the primer you want to voted, when we have moved to a country where we're not 40 8:48 republican democrat and 2% 4% independent. we are now basically a third a third third. if we could change our primary system, and allow not affiliated voters to come in, independents for those who are familiar with that language, that would be tremendous. yeah, run desantis is trying to win a primary, which right now, you know, his hope is not to beat donald trump, his hope is that donald trump can't continue in a primary. >> and i tell you, if you look at one of the hardest challenges democrats are gonna have in this election, to contain that coalition from 2022. and if any voters, disaffected republicans, the real question for ron desantis, can he bring any of those people back? and given everything that susan said on some issues, and then you add to that, everything

he's done in education, he calls it anti woke, i call it progressive, we can quibble about that. that said, that does scare a lot of people. that's why, to her point, if you're looking at a general election candidate that is going to rest some of those voters away from the democrats, not just the presidential level, but even down-ballot, i don't know that he's the guy. >> let's talk about some of the other people, republican establishment waiting in here. we saw some cnn town hall this week, with donald trump. we had republican governor, chris sununu of new hampshire, who is teased in 2004 presidential run himself, he called trump a loser. he also spoke to our own jim psaki, specifically about how gop voters, in his state, may left when he made disparaging comment about women, including e. jean carroll, at what some of the. >> the audience was absolutely filled with trump supporters. i wasn't surprised to hear the support. but when you're talking about a serious issue like that. and laughter and mocking and

all that. it's completely inappropriate. without a doubt. it doesn't shine a positive light on new hampshire. on that issue, i would call embarrassing. >> this isn't necessarily new, basil and susan, when we've seen some republicans take on trump, knowing they can alienate the base. but then they're basically called rhinos, things like that. do you think we're going to start seeing more of this. is this the right time for people to sort of be giving the strong opinions? >> it's the only time. can't wait much longer. even though asa hutchinson, for example, is a long shot, what i like about him being involved in this race, and i hope he has enough funding just to stay in a while longer, he's constantly willing to stand up to donald trump, every step of the way. at least it's a voice of opposition within the republican party, and that republicans, a number of republican who led the way for republicans and independents for biden with the lincoln project, you know, you want somebody who there is an alternative to donald trump. that's what republicans, or

some republicans, are looking for. that town hall meeting was, yeah, i'm not gonna get it into whether it should or shouldn't, the people there, and her governor sununu say, the role of trump supporters. they didn't do it we just were talking about. getting not affiliated voters, who could vote in the republican primary. that would've been an interesting town hall. >> i always talk about growing a party, not by attrition, but by addition. you see donald trump doing in many ways. trying to grow a different kind of party. he's not adding to republican base, from my view, i don't know that round of desantis does that either. one of the things that we would be looking at is if donald trump didn't exist, he probably would've been created, in this environment. i do not know that an alternative to donald trump would be created by those who are concerned about a trump candidacy. i think, my view, if he ends up being the nominee, folks will just find a way to fall in line. that doesn't mean he'll win a general election, it means that trying to create a counter

argument comes that much more difficult. >> finally, before we go, i want to talk about just happen in north carolina today. we have the governor, vetoing this 12-week abortion ban, we know that there's a gop super majority in the legislature, they can override that veto. how much do you think this debate, reproductive care, abortion rights, will play into the next election? >> there's so many ways that people talk about joe biden's age and his ability to run for office. one of the things i remind folks, the policies that voters are gonna go to the polls to deal with in this election are not really embedded in joe biden. they exist around him. meaning, this is already voted the voter, whether it's joe biden or another candidate at the top of the ticket, voters are highly motivated like this in so many other issues. i think, in some ways, it's a wave that pushes joe biden to the top, it's not something that joe biden pulls to the top. >> i want to ask you a little differently, we've heard a lot of republican candidates, including trump himself, him and all over the abortion idea that nationalist day they

supported outright ban. you mentioned ron desantis, in the six-week ban, that was essentially signed in the middle of the night. quietly. do you think we're starting to see republicans see this issue as potentially being very damaging for them politically? . i >> absolutely. she had among the donor class most of all. when ron desantis pulled that six-week ban, a lot of potential big money support went out, left him immediately. they don't see how a republican who supports a ban on abortion can win a general election. because, to battles point, the number one issue come 2024, on the ballot, won't be biden or trump or desantis, it will be abortion. that will be what get people out to the polls. >> abortion bigger than democracy, bigger than voting, rates all. right thank you both so much for your time. coming up, president biden gives a commencement address, at howard university. as he deals with both the immigration situation at the border and very fragile debt ceiling talks, a live report

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house republican sponsored bill called the secure the border act of 2023. because they say it would make the immigration system worse. joining me right now is nbc ali reface. ali, what is the latest here on the white house's approach to the border situation? >> elie, -- the biden mistrust have said since the lifting of title 42, even after two years of preparation for this moment, they fully expected this to be a challenge once that was lifted. the challenge that they're facing now isn't just coming from this surge of migrants crossing the u.s. mexico border, it's also coming from the scrutiny that the administration is facing, from both sides of the aisle. reacting to this crisis, which in many ways, is just beginning. it's beginning as we've seen in julia ainsley's reporting, not just along these border communities, also in cities all across the united states. the biden administration now facing some legal challenges, first, from the aclu. which has sued the biden

administration for its policies, restricting the ability for asylum seekers to apply. those selling seekers who didn't first apply in a second country read the cbp one act, also facing a block from a federal judge in florida. who is trying to block the administration's ability to release migrants on parole. without a court date. the administration saying, they were doing that to prevent overcrowding, at some of these processing facilities, dhs official responding to that aclu lawsuit in a statement saying, the app rule is, quote, critical to creating an orderly process to seek protection, and really blaming for this chaos at congress's feet saying this is all a result of a lack of comprehensive immigration reform for the past two decades. an administration official also responding to the florida judge

blocking calling the block in a statement, quote, sabotage, adding that the claims that cbp is allowing or encouraging mass releases of migrants or categorically false. and again, shifting that blame to republicans in congress, saying in part, quote, if they truly wanted to solve this problem instead of making things worse, they wouldn't have spent the last two years refusing to reform our immigration system, and denying the resources that we have been requesting. the administration separately signaling that they will appeal that ruling from the federal judge in florida but, for the time being, lindsey, they'll be forced to comply with this. so, this is sure to be something that people are going to be watching very, very closely, this is sure to be a critical issue that will be brought up on the 2024 campaign trail. lindsey? >> ali, before the president heads to -- beach for mother's day, we know the commencement at howard, what was his message today? >> yeah, this may have been

college commencement speech, it really did have the sound and appearance of a stunt speech for a campaign. had the themes that we saw president biden lay out in his 2020 campaign, what we've seen a lot from him laid out since announcing his reelection bid in 2024. he talked about, really, what his agenda would be if reelected. he talked about how reproductive rights are on the ballot. he talked about the need for police reform. he also talked about the need for racial equality in this country, continuing. taking some veiled swipes and his republican predecessor, at some points. so, this definitely had the echoes and the themes of a campaign speech during this commencement speech, lindsey. >> okay, allie raffa, thank you. >> the end of title 42, which put coronavirus restrictions on this asylum seekers and allow the u.s. to block migrants at the border since the pandemic, is due to be official expiration of the corner virus public health emergency. and immigration is the only

thing impacted. it also means the governor, government, will now treat covid like any other respiratory ailment. joining me now is msnbc medical contributor and former obama white house policy director, dr. -- patel. doctor, it feels like this moment you and i talking we should take a step back and realize, this has been years in the making here. so, grateful we're not where we once were. we also know this has a lot of information, most insurance companies will now stop covering covid tests. data reporting has essentially stopped. one of the changes will we see, and are we in a place where we can comfortably do this? >> yeah, lindsey, we knew this day would come. i am frequently here it signals a shift. i do think there are some things that we were probably of aware of. millions of americans will probably lose medicaid coverage because during the public health emergency, we had what was called continuous involvement. meaning, states rubble to give flexibilities so that people don't have to re-enroll or approve that they need medicaid, their coverage can was

continuous. we already have seen some states that have dropped coverage of people unintentionally, they didn't realize that their coverage was gone. that's millions of people uninsured. i think the other thing is, really, justin overarching psychological effect, lindsay, this is the end of the emergency has signaled to some people, even some health professionals, covid is, quote unquote, over. it's not over. as you mentioned, it's still a threat. it is a threat that we're treating like many of the other threats that still cause hospitalizations, death. we want to make people aware that's these treatments, all of these, things are still critically important. but that's where i worry. not getting three tests, think some of these free vaccines and treatments, not accessible to uninsured patients. and to some insurance patients, those are really big problems that we have to watch out for. i hope that the government is prepared to say the prepared, but we'll see in the coming weeks. >> do you see any circumstance which is public health emergency we need to be re-implemented? >> yeah, i do.

of course, we're always scanning for variants that are new we have areas that are new all the time. the variants are knew that causing more severe illness, we're gonna look around the world for that. if we see a variant that is more threatening, meaning, more hospitalizations, more deaths. easier to give and to get, causing more deaths and hospitalizations, absolutely. we would expect the world to be put in emergency back in the world health organization, and united states government, and i think the biden administration has made that clear. they're not dropping the monetary of this disease they're just dropping these emergency precautions, a shift as you mentioned, -- >> before we let you go, i want to ask you about a panel of fda advisers, unanimously voting to allow birth control pill to be sold over the counter, and a final decision is expected by the end of the summer how significant a decision with this be. >> huge milestone, especially in light of what we talked about the last primary productive assets this is one particular pill, it incredibly

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at an off campus home took the lives of four promising young students, two of whom were seniors set to graduate. commencement ceremonies wrapped up moments ago, that's where we find nbc's steve patterson. steve, how is the university commemorating those four students? >> by essentially bestowing the honors that the students would've received, had their lives not been senselessly cut short. we're in between ceremonies right now. as you can see, you might see staff cleaning up the streamers behind me. we had one in the morning, one in the afternoon. we know that -- kayleigh gonzalez set to graduate this, year after receiving a posthumous to grieves. we saw matt's parent go up on lever mahoney, and receive a degree in honor of their daughter. and we expect to see the same for kayleigh this afternoon. meanwhile, the other two students, they will receive certificates, just as an acknowledgment of their work before they were killed. also a fifth student who died

in a car accident and received at a posthumous degrees as well. we also know it's a memorial, a healing garden that is being planned, i think that's the purpose of all this. a moment of healing. that's where the university says they want to provide to the students who are walking, going through a whole lot of trauma, and anxiety this year. and have a chance to remember their classmates, university also planning to demolish the home or those murders took place. it was donated to university following the murders. they say this want to take it down. all of this as the trial is about to begin. brian cobourg are expected in court at the end of june, just hired a defense attorney who certified in handling the death penalty cases. so, some movement there. really, today is all about the students who are graduating. who want a sense of relief, want a sense of honoring and remembering their classmates. and walking alongside that memory as they walk along that stage. >> sommerdale, east ferris, and thank you. >> we've got a lot more coming

up, you're watching msnbc, our second hour starts right now. welcome back, everyone, i'm lindsay reiser in for yasmin vossoughian, a lot donald trump and don to say they could get a cup of coffee together if they wanted. well that's doubtful, they are both in iowa. both holding evening rallies. we'll have a live report. it comes as trump's dealing with potential new legal headaches that experts say he opened the door for during his live town hall this week. when it comes to your documents, did you ever show those classified documents to anyone? >> not really, i would have the right to. by the way, they were declaring. >> what do you may not really? >> now that i can think of. let me just tell you, i have the absolute right to do whatever i want with them. i have the right. >> we're also following the development on the southern border of this first weekend since the end of title 42, with

new numbers just out a few hours ago. we'll take a look at the situation in texas and california. and charges in the chokehold death of a homeless man on a new york city subway, the family of jordan neely says it's not enough. i'll talk to the reverend al sharpton as he prepares to eulogize him this week. all that, plus a disturbing case in idaho. >> did you ever tell you if j.j. was taken over, possessed, by an evil spirit? >> yes. >> a verdict in the trial of a woman known as the doomsday cult mom. that story later this hour. call it coincidence, worlds colliding, or some careful political calculating. former president trump, and florida governor ron desantis, both happen to be and iowa today. desantis is the only other republican anywhere close to trump in the latest nbc news poll. nbc news is learning, exclusively, the desantis political operation is set to move into a new base of operations monday. the move