and to tammy. >> in the aftermath of their murders, ballot became known as the doomsday cult mom. witnesses testified that vallow and her husband subscribed to the doomsday belief system and believed in evil spirits. >> did she ever tell you if j.j. was taken over, possessed by an evil spirit. >> yes. >> prosecution painted a picture of a woman eager for a carefree life, highlighting the fact that she never reported the children missing. >> money, power, and sex. that is what this case is about. >> as the weeks-long trial came to a dramatic and, the grandfather of young j.j. had one message for the boys mother. now facing life behind bars. >> love always wins. >> our thanks to miranda for that report. that wraps it up for this hour. i am lindsey reiser in for yasmin vossoughian, i will be back at 2 pm eastern tomorrow, symone starts now.

>> greetings everyone, you are watching symone, after the long anticipated chaos, united states southern border is roads to flee calm at this hour. more than 36 hours after title 42 expired. an influx of people seeking entry into the united states has slowed down. but overwhelming challenges remain. we are talking to the mayor of mcallen, texas, for more of what he is seeing on the ground. former president donald trump found liable of sexual abuse and defamation just before getting a free primetime platform to spew more lies and fallacies. we are digging into how exactly he uses the media apparatus to -- plus, oklahoma's republican governor moved to defund the pbs station there, stripping residents of one of the only free resources of news and educational programming they have. all because of lgbtq inclusive shows. we will hear from one of the

state senators who is pushing back. i am symone sanders-townsend, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ there has been a lot going on this week, particularly with former president trump. from a jury of his peers unanimously finding him liable for sexual abuse and defamation. to cnn giving him a national platform to mark his accuser and repeated his lies about the 2020 election. among other things, i could not start the show without acknowledging that elephant in the room and we are definitely going to unpack all of that during this hour. but let's start with what is going on at the southern border right now. title 42, the pandemic immigration rule that allowed for asylum seekers to be rejected without a hearing, it has expired. the biden administration and local officials have been getting ready for an influx of people to navigate a system

that for decades congress has failed to reform. the department of homeland security emphasizing years of preparation and a surge of aid to border communities, the department of homeland security secretary -- had this to say. >> we have not seen any increase in irregular migration at the border. in fact, we believe we may have seen a slight decrease in encounters yesterday. however, you, know encounters are still at an elevated level. and we obviously continue to monitor the situation and watch it very closely. >> yes, you heard that right, after months of predictions that the borders expiration would see an immediate increase in border crossings, that doesn't seem to be the case. in fact, two officials that -- tell nbc news that border patrols stopped over 1600 people seeking entry yesterday. there is a notable drop from the days before. lawmakers and other officials are now pitching a variety of solutions to keep operations at the border under control.

you've got independent senator kristen sinema of arizona, enrolled in senator of carolina introducing legislation that would expand the white house expulsion authority for the next two years. the biden ministration attempted to implement a policy allowing some vetted non citizens into united states in an effort to ease overcrowding at border facilities. but a federal judge blocked that attempt. that is in addition to vice president kamala harris's work to address the root causes of migration. now the vice presidents work has resulted in the declining migration from places like el salvador, honduras, and guatemala in the past two years. but people seeking entry into the united states, they are not just numbered. each person carries with them a story of hardship and stunts chaos. that often carries after the across north united states. my colleague jose diaz spoke with one venezuelan grandmother at the rescue missions shelter in el paso after a month long journey, she is preparing to

separate from her daughter and granddaughter in order to be reunited with her husband. here's what she had to tell us. >> how are you gonna say goodbye? god will give me the strength. [speaking non-english] at least i know that my granddaughter will have a better future here. [speaking non-english] and one day, one day we will be able to see each other again. >> that united states of america has an obligation to consider every asylum claim. what some regard as a simple bureaucratic procedure, it actually means the difference between families and staying together or families being forced apart. so how are the leaders of border communities handling the fallout from this obligation to address asylum claims in a system that simply isn't equipped to handle them? let's ask the mayor of mcallen, texas, mayor javier villalobos, welcome, welcome, welcome to you, sir. i want to start where it ended,

frankly, with title 42. it expired in the early hours of friday morning. you just heard the numbers. do the numbers line up with what you are experiencing in mcallen? >> we are excited, at a matter of fact, just right before the expiration, there was an uptake. an uptick in numbers, we were kind of expecting that after. everyone thought a surge. fortunately the ngos and also the mexican authorities have been advising a lot of the immigrants over there the difference between title 42 and now title eight and the different ramifications. so i think hopefully the immigrants are heeding the advice and trying to do everything the way they are supposed to do. so we are fortunate that we are not having as much issues as we predicted. >> i think that is welcome to us, sir, people are happy to hear that. let's talk about the disaster declaration, the one you recently just signed prior to the expiration of title 42.

how does this declaration affect the ability to process peoples requests down there in mcallen? -- this was more a glorification of taking down issues and a declaration, of course everyone knows we will -- issue a declaration in order to get federal funds to tap into. of course, we don't want to spend any of our funds on a federal issue. so we have to do this. and we are fortunate at this time, we have been using federal funds. we have used funds from fema in order for us to assist the federal government to do with their source we doing. we need to have their currency, and we have at this time. >> sir, are these new funds? because i know last week when secretary mayorkas was in the rio grande valley, you had an opportunity to speak with him and it is reported that you were heartened by what you

heard. and what you heard was a promise of funding. so the funds of secretary mayorkas, you have now received them? >> you know, we have been doing this for close to a decade. so we have been having funding throughout, even before the collection of -- we have been able to -- for the past year. so this time, fortunately, we have been receiving funding. we have right now the necessary funding. and of course, i met with mayorkas, it was a brief meeting. yes he did advise that -- >> new funding. mayor, you made the argument that the responsibility on addressing the immigration issues, they lie with the federal government. they should not be left at the municipal level. but given what is happening, you and other mayors of border towns have been acting. can you pull back the layers for us about what your working relationship is with the biden administration? >> well, you know, what we work

with everybody, as a matter of fact, like we say, it kind of seems like we have experience in this. because in reality we have close to a decade. but we work closely with everybody, whoever we meet to keep our communities safe. and i would like to say, we have one of the safest communities, the third safest city in the united states. mcallen, texas. and we want to keep it that way. and how we did it? the issue of immigration, fortunately we have now at least there is going to be some federal troops. i know governor -- lone star. we work very closely with the federal state, local, with our county, everybody, and of course we have a police force here, should it be necessary. >> after you signed the disaster declaration, you actually did a press conference where you took questions. i watched your entire press conference, he took questions and an english and in spanish, which i think there is some elected officials that should take note from your inclusive

press access there. and what struck me in that press conference is you were clear to make the point that title 42 is a health order. it was used to fix an immigration issue. but it was not an immigration policy. and that is language, may, or that i have not heard a lot of republican elected officials use. you seem to be willing to do whatever needs to be done to get or address the issues for your constituents. have you been talking to some of your other fellow republicans throughout the party, particularly in congress where this issue has essentially stalled? >> look, i talked to republicans and i talk to democrats. we always have luck, take care of the issues. to me it doesn't matter whether people are republican or democrat, this is a national issue. it's something that we need to take care of. we don't have to have

comprehensive immigration. we can pieces together, we can take of the guesswork with daca. heat them going. there has to be an effort by both parties. so when i lay blame sometimes, i don't do it on parties, i do it on everybody. both congress, the senate, the administration, they have got to stop utilizing this issue as a political issue to divide people and erase money. look, the american people come first, do it. >> the american people come first, do it. mayor, before i let you go, yes, folks want to see reform. i think people would like to see the government to do something. the administration has said that they are doing all that they can. but they need congress to act as a willing partner. what specifically would you like to see congress do? this congress, this year, on the issue of immigration reform? >> it is going to be difficult. we also know, and i keep on telling people, we know that our birth rates are older, our

birth rates are -- there is a lot of individuals that are willing to come to this country and work, and they want it legally. we can get our economy back to the way it needs to be, even down here in the rio grande valley, or wherever it is. -- some of these individuals, we can assist them, they don't necessarily want to be here. if they do it right, they come, they were, if they go back, they help their families, and they help our country in the same time. >> mcallen, texas, mayor javier villalobos, thank you very much for your time, sir, appreciate it. >> of course. >> coming, up the marine veteran now charged with killing jordan neely on the subway, with a deadly chokehold. he says it was all a matter of self-defense. will that are gonna hold up in court? i have got a pair of legal experts joining me next to answer that very question. but first, here's justin layton with the day's other big stories. a, jessica. hey simone thank you. turkey's longtime authoritarian

leader is facing the possibility of being ousted when voters head to the polls tomorrow. the latest poll numbers show president erdogan trailing his opponent adobe. the stakes here are high. turkey has the second biggest nato military. it's home to 4 million refugees, it has 50 u.s. nuclear warheads and it is a key media mediator between ukraine and russia. this morning roy cooper vetoed newly passed abortion restrictions in the state at a rally for reproductive rights. and now. he is lobbying state republicans not to override his signature. the bill would lower the cut off to get an abortion from 20 weeks to 12 in that state. state republicans only have a one vote supermajority there, so a single defection would mean the governor's veto would stand. and president biden echoed his campaign message to, quote, finish the job while delivering the commencement address this morning at howard university. that's the alma mater of vice president kamala harris. he has also called for

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pending trial. penny is the 24-year-old marine veteran who placed jordan neely in a fatal chokehold on a new york city subway. he was arraigned in the manhattan critical, criminal court on friday and faces a second degree manslaughter charge. he has yet to take a plea. in a statement his attorney said he risked his own life and didn't intend to kill mr. nearly. the death, which was captured on video and seen by a train full of witnesses has sparked a national debate around vigilantism and the ongoing crisis of crime, mental health, homelessness. neely's family says the manslaughter charge is too lenient for what they are calling unintentional murder.

here is their attorney. >> but daniel penny chose, intentionally chose a technique to use that is designed to cut off air. that's what he chose. we believe that the conviction should be for murder because that is intentional. >> joining us now on set is a former manhattan assistant to the district attorney and a criminal defense attorney, both are msnbc legal analysts, both know new york very well. catherine, let me start with you. can you just explain to the folks at home what you are telling me off air, because i had questions about the fact that he hasn't entered a plea. but he was arrested, he's been charged. can you break it down for us? >> in new york, on a felony complaint, you do not enter a plea. if he is indicted he will be arraigned again in what's called supreme court and then he will enter a plea. probably of not guilty. in new york city criminal court there is not going to be an enter of a plea on a felony

complaint which is what he has been charged with. >> what is the dea office doing right now? >> they are building a case. they are interviewing witnesses. they are witnessing, listening to 9-1-1 calls. looking at video from people on the car who took their phones out and took video, which we haven't seen on tv, maybe some surveillance from the subway platform or from the entrance of the subway where mr. neely entered. so they are doing all of that, which takes a lot of time. >> danny, what do you make of the claim of the position that the neely and their attorney. but the charge, manslaughter instead of murder, was not the right call? >> it probably was the right call because you have to think about this. if the prosecution is going to decide the charge of murder. they are the ones that have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a very high stakes high profile case. and the element just weren't

there. this is the safer, closer case that they can make. and here's why. murder typically involves some intent to kill. not always, but a specific intent to kill. this, instead, deals with recklessness. did the defendant here, use force in a way that he consciously disregarded a known risk by applying this particular chokehold for the period of time that he did? that is probably, if there is a case to be made here, manslaughter is the better case to make. but, murder i understand the family wants the most possible. it just doesn't lie on these facts, in my opinion. >> catherine, i see you shaking your head. >> i agree, in new york, it's just the law. you have to prove that there was an intent to kill. it was mr. penny's conscious objective to cause the death of mr. neely. and that barr could not be reached by the prosecutor. however, reckless, which is basically what denny said.

he was aware of and consciously disregard of the risk of death would happen is a much easier charge to prove. and i'm saying easy but they still have to prove it. remember, he has a self-defense claim and in new york the self-defense law, which is called justification is very friendly to a criminal defendant. in new york, the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified. so that is also a very high bar. >> i have heard you describe this as well, so this is a good case to watch. we will be waiting to see if something comes out of the greenery that we won't hear anything about because that's not how the grand jury's work. it is definitely a case that has gripped the nation. i want to turn to the other big legal story from new york this week. specifically i'm talking about a jury finding trump liable, liable because it's a civil case, for sexually abusing and defaming e. jean carroll and awarding her $5 million. donald trump's attorneys have

noted that they attend to appeal. we should note that carroll has another earlier defamation suit against trump and that suit is still pending. and now her attorney says they are actually bringing a third suit given what he did at that cnn town hall, standing on that stage and, again, disparaging her. calling her a, quote, whack job, and more. how much legal jeopardy, let's just talk about the legality of it, how much legal jeopardy is donald trump in given what he did on that town hall stage? >> a lot. if i'm the plaintiffs attorney here i am subtly encouraging yet another case. because there is a doctrine in civil litigation called issued pro clue jean or collateral stop. it's a fancy name but really all it means is this. if an issue has already been decided in earlier litigation and the person involved had a full and fair opportunity to litigate it like trump who had every opportunity to litigate it. he was the party that made

those statements in both cases and the issue may be decided. if i'm the plaintiffs attorney here and you just won a case for $5 million and trump has just made it remarkably easier to bring that case, again, not the same case, but some of those issues have already been decided to that specifically he sexually abused miss carroll. so this seems to be a pretty easy case to make out and if i am plaintiffs counsel, especially if there is a contingent fee involved, i have to say i would be subtly pushing them towards filing in supreme court. >> a subtle push. e. jean carroll was on msnbc the day after the verdict and she talked about the larger cultural impact. i want to put this for everyone. >> we did away with the perfect victim concept. the perfect victim always screams, she always goes to the police, she always write the date in her diary, she always

folds up and is a sad person. for every woman in the country, this is for you, i think this will help you all. be believed. >> catherine, as a former prosecutor. how important is this verdict? have you seen impact, how do you see it impacting future cases we are talking about sexual assault, sexual abuse, for even rape? >> what she said is right. hopefully it will give them the strength to come forward. miss carroll was not the perfect victim, as she said. she didn't scream, she's very charmingly eccentric. and she went after a powerful man, former president. and she won. hopefully this will give courage to women to come forward. and it was a very good thing that happened, this verdict. not for mr. trump, but i think for justice for women. >> absolutely, justice for women, we stand on the side of justice here at this table today. thank you both very much. you are sure educating me, appreciate you for coming here.

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and what it means for the fate of millions of people seeking safety within our borders each year. we want to dig into that now infamous cnn town hall where donald trump doubled down and went to town with old and new lies. joining me now to discuss is former secretary of housing and urban development, msnbc political analyst julián castro. also a former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst carlos curbelo and new york times columnist michelle, who is, as you guessed it, an msnbc political analyst. welcome to you all, my msnbc family here. let's start with title 42. if you could each just give me briefly what is your initial reaction to what we are seeing in the immediate aftermath. not a huge influx, if you will, of individuals rushing to ports of entry in united states. >> exactly, simone. the sky didn't fall. fear mongers from the gop have

been trying to make americans think that this was going to be catastrophic, that somehow everything was going to fall apart, that these folks represented a great threat to the united states. there is a humanitarian issue with the border. there's a lot of suffering, a lot of misery. there has been an uptick, especially right before title 42 lifted of people coming across the border. the united states is a country with the ability to manage this. the administration has done a lot, it has put a lot of things in place to try to manage or i think the administration waited too long to try to lift title 42 and they got caught up in the courts and that created a bottleneck that might not have been there earlier. however, they have been responsive to try to manage in an orderly way the flow of people now. and i hope that people remember this moment. the difference between the fearmongering, the catastrophic talk that the gop likes to do to scare people, and the reality. >> carlos, your thoughts on

that? >> well, symone, i think one of the reasons why the situation at the border is not as chaotic as many assumed that it would be, or as some predicted that it would be is that the biden administration finally changed asylum policy in this country to send a clear message to the region and all over the world that it is not okay to just show up at the u.s. border if you have a situation where you are fleeing violence, or where you are fleeing oppression there are other ways that are safer and more appropriate to try to come to the united states like visiting the u.s. embassy in your home country, visiting different processing centers that have been set up in other countries. we are a generous nation, we are a compassionate nation. but for a long time people assume that anyone who was in any kind of desperation could just show up to the u.s. border and be admitted into the country. the biden administration has

changed those policies despite the complaints of many activists on the left. but in my view it was just the only way forward and the only realistic solution and the only sustainable policy because we can't just have this constant flow of people coming through the southwest border is just not sustainable it's not healthy for our economy and it's not healthy for those communities that are up against the u.s. mexico border. >> i want to talk about that change to u.s. asylum policy in a second. but michelle, what now? what is your reporting telling you? what are you seeing, again, the order was just lifted, it's been 24 or 48 hours. this is in reality. >> will i agree with everything that the secretary said except for one thing. when he said that we are a nation that can handle this. certainly we could be a nation that could handle this, but with our current political impasse we are clearly not.

i think that people who study this closely are pretty unanimous on many things that need to be done. i don't think we are ever going to be able to stop people from coming to the border and particularly with climate change and all sorts of global crises migration all over the world is expected to only increase. there are things that could be done to make the experience at the border more orderly, more humane, that could actually mean that people aren't waiting five years for their first asylum appointments but in order to do that you need the political will you need a political agreement and right now i don't see any prospect of that. >> i just asked the air of mcallen, texas all about that and he echoed what you said. secretary castro, let's talk about the new rule. the biden administration, for folks i don't know, they adopted a rule that now requires asylum seekers to first take refuge in another country before coming to the

united states and if they come to the united states, to u.s. mexico's southern border and having passed through a country where one of these agreements was set up like mexico or guatemala they will then be denied the ability to seek asylum here. what are your thoughts secretary? >> i think it's a mistake. i think that this has been proposed in the version was by donald trump that many democrats right fully would've been lambasting it and they pushed back against this idea when donald trump proposed. i think you could do the regional processing centers and several other measures that the biden administration has taken without fundamentally changing the nature of our asylum law. we have to remember that title 42 originally was a stephen miller drawn up policy that used covid as an excuse to basically cut off our asylum system and what we are seeing now is yes the administration is opening up some new pathways for people to be able to get to the country but they are also,

in doing this, even with the exception that they have put in place they are fundamentally taking that asylum system and cutting it significantly, changing the nature of it especially when you consider the poverty in the circumstances that these folks are coming from and that they don't have all of the resources in the world to figure out the system that they are dealing with and where they have to go and so forth i think that it challenges the notion of who we want to be as a country. >> this is a trial a topic that we are going to continue to discuss on this program. i want to move on to talking about former president donald trump. he made a litany of incendiary comments and outright lies during a cnn town hall this week. he claimed once again the 2020 election was rigged, he promised to pardon insurrectionists, he smeared e. jean carroll the person that the jury found him liable of

sexually abusing, the list goes on no one was surprised that he lied cnn is taking a lot of flak for hosting the event in front of a very trump friendly audience. michelle, i'm going to start with you, has the media apparatus just forgotten who donald trump was do you think people out there believe that he is just all of a sudden warning to become a good candidate, why, why do we have to witness this this week? >> i don't think that anybody has forgotten that he is who he is. i think that they've remembered that he can often drive ratings and to be fair i think that media organizations are in a tricky situation when you have a traitorous insurrectionist who is also the front runner for a major political parties presidential nomination. donald trump is what donald trump says is newsworthy and people i think it's good from

time to time for the american public not to be saturated with donald trump's ravings but to be reminded that he is running on a platform of pardoning january 6th rioters and signing a national abortion ban and all the other things that he said they had so many republicans wringing their hands after the town hall. to me the thing that is inexcusable is what he, is what you said, the audience. it's totally legitimate interview donald trump the day after he was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation. i don't think it's illegitimate, two things. one to give him a microphone, to commit more defamation wallen audience raves and laughs. in general, if you have a pro trump audience what you are staging is a campaign rally, not a news interview. >> i wish i had more time but

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a because they defended their shows saying the public broadcast provides curriculum based content that for generations has educated and inspire children in oklahoma and across the country. along with shows like sesame street, mr. rogers neighborhood, and clifford the big red dog gauthier also serves a critical public safety function it is how oklahoma 30s share emergency alerts with the public which we all know could be a matter of life or death in tornado alley. joining us now to discuss this is carey hicks, oklahoma state senator. she's a member [interpreter] of rainbow fully early education -- i was so disturbed, senator by reading this story. we are talking about the most watched pbs network in the country. can you just give us a sense of how people feel about the otda in oklahoma and the role it plays in their everyday lives? >> absolutely, i've received communications from hundreds of our constituents who are deeply concerned by this decision,

last year the appropriations for this network was less than $3 million so that is what we are talking about when we are thinking about losing the core function of our public broadcast system that does serve all 77 counties. folks are really upset 80% of oklahomans agree that we need to override this veto. >> in less the state legislature does override the governor's veto the station will be off the air by the end of this year so do you have the votes? >> well that will be up to my colleagues but just as this is moving through the process before it enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support. we also have a year to wind down so i think we do have some more months ahead of us in looking at that critical infrastructure that this provides for all oklahomans. >> what enjoyed bipartisan support? the punishment if you will that the governor has levied against the osha, or the ot a has

enjoyed bipartisan support. >> the initial bill was an extension of a sunset so without the extension of the sunset that eta would be forced to close down so with this sunset provision it passed overwhelmingly with bipartisan support. republicans and democrats alike extending the sunset for this particular television authority and the governor vetoed that decision which means that, again, 80% of oklahomans are asking for the state legislature to override this veto. >> got it. look, this issue is just i think one piece of a larger anti lgbtq plus battle being waged by republican elected officials across the country and it feels eerily similar to what we have seen florida governor ron desantis to he is feuding with his knee after disney came out against what critics call the don't say gay law and fights over drag queens and libraries. disney talked about their

values and florida said no it seems as though pbs, though eta says, look, we want inclusive programming for everyone and governor stitt is saying no. there is clearly a diversity of opinion among oklahomans this boils down to i think issues of just basic human decency humanity, wouldn't you say? >> i do. and honestly i trust oklahomans to make those television programming decisions for their families my husband and i are obviously very vigilant of the kind of media consumption of our own free children and i trust and stand with oklahomans to be able to make those viewing decisions for their families. >> i think that's an important point to make i would also note, let's put out the elephant in the room, what the governor and some republicans in the state legislature have said is the pbs programming in oklahoma is grooming children i think that is a very insane statement to make and i would argue it's not

true, what's so you? >> i can tell you that i am more concerned with youtube and we definitely have a variety of ways that kids are receiving all kinds of communications on a regular basis and i just completely disagree and say that we ought to be able to have that freedom to make our own viewing decisions for our families. >> we have also seen republican lawmakers take extreme edges to punish democrats who protest anti lgbtq legislation, particularly in oklahoma marie turner is a black non-binary democratic representative and the representative was censured and stripped of committee assignments after state troopers said the representative block them from questioning a trans activists accused of assaulting an officer. apparently the activist was hiding in the representatives office just how far apart are you and your colleagues when it comes to some of these issues that we are discussing.

>> i can just tell you that oklahoma, in my opinion continues to be a true melting pot of all different demographics race ideologies so as we are looking at this particular issue i think it's important to remind ourselves that the oklahoma standard is to truly be welcoming and kind so i just plead to my colleagues to really understand that this is not the oklahoma standard to continue to try and block or censure any kind of information, it feels very authoritarian. >> augustus o'connell state senator kerry hicks, we're going to leave it there. >> thank you >> if you thought the supreme court was done with our rights after overturning roe v. wade you should think again. up next, why you should brace yourself because the dobbs decision was just the opening act. enin act. check. psych! and i'm about to steal this game from you just like i stole kelly carter in high school. you got no game dude, that's a foul! and now you're ready to settle the score.

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