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that title 42 is not an immigration policy it was actually implemented as a public health measure to try to stop the spread of communicable disease. the ending of title 42 is appropriate because we are now beyond the pandemic and it has officially ended. the biden administration does have challenges at the border because all that title 42 did was effectively dismantle our asylum process and create a bottleneck at the southern border. the lifting of that, obviously, means that we are going to see greater numbers of people coming to the border. the biden administration is doing everything that they can with the resources that they have to try to address the challenges there but that is fundamentally not going to stop until we do something legislatively, until we pass a legislative solution that
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overhauls our broken immigration system and it is on congress to do that. this week the republicans introduced their child deportation bill which is in and for not going to fix what is happening at the southern border but only make it worse. this past week i was proud to introduce, along with the democratic caucus leadership the u.s. citizenship act which would overhaul completely our immigration system, make it safer and more orderly at the border, get at the root cause of migration and that is a solution that is going to yield long-lasting results. >> former president donald trump did a high-profile tv town hall this week that is looking more and more like the front runner for the republican presidential nomination. trump made inroads with hispanic voters three years ago. president biden ultimately took about 60% of the hispanic vote,
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but his polling is showing across the board challenges to the biden reelection campaign with voters. his rating among latino voters has taken a hit. biden has tapped white house senior adviser julie chavez rodriguez as 2024 campaign manager as what has been cast as a move to show up in support with latino voters. those voters played a key role in delivering democrats winds in arizona and nevada last year. in your view, what is the president and democrats biggest advantage for the nation's second largest voting bloc going into 2024? >> there is this narrative out there that somehow latino voters are migrating en masse to the republican party. and the facts don't bear that out. latino voters voted 2 to 1 for democrats and delivered key
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victories in some very important states. we added nine new members to the hispanic caucus last cycle. we have nine new members, four of those were latino candidates that won in seats that had been represented by republicans. i think the democratic party is starting to wake up to the fact that the hispanic vote is not a monolith. there are many subgroups within that voting bloc and we really need to talk to them early and often about the successes that we have had and the very real impact it's going to have on their day-to-day lives. things like the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the inflation reduction act, many of those successes that democrats passed in the last congress have a very tangible benefit to latino, whatever they live. i think the goal here for democrats heading into the next election cycle and the advantage we have is we have deliverables, we just need to do a better job about bragging
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about them. >> funerals have begun for the eight victims slain last week's mass shooting at an outlet mall in allen, texas. that tragedy is just one in which gun violence monitoring groups have identified as a mass shooting -- -- for democrats to retake the house next year. but in the meantime, more americans are likely to die. what is your response? >> yeah, so thoughts and prayers sadly are not going to fix the pain that families across the country live with every day as a result of gun violence. and sadly here again the extreme maga republicans stand in the way between passing
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sensible gun safety measures. we saw a glimpse of bipartisanship in texas this week after some momentum in the state legislature, but even then, the gun lobby and the republicans managed to stall that common sense legislation. we are not going to see the republican majority address this issue because they close their eyes and stick their head in the sand and pretend that it is not happening. the best way to get real sensible gun safety legislation passed is for the democrats to retake the majority in the house and to do things like banning so weapons, which is a bill that representatives cicilline have introduced. and to try to make sure that taking lethal guns off the streets that have no purpose but to help kill people quickly. it's a shame that the republicans don't want to address this but they are beholden to the gun lobby and
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they are more concerned with their own personal reelection than they are with doing what's best for the country and what is best for these families across the united states. they don't put people above policies. them put people above politics. >> you said stick it in the sand. a wise man once told me when you stick your head in the sand you are in a perfect position to get kicked in the rope. joining me now is buffalo new york mayor byron brown. thank you for joining me today mister mayor. sunday -- >> good to be with you, reverend. >> sunday, which is tomorrow, will mark one year since the white supremacist gunman shot and killed ten people, all of them black, at the top supermarket in your city. i delivered some of the
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eulogies and helped pay for all of the, we put some money to all of the funerals. we spent some time in buffalo with the families following the aftermath. and i will be back there tomorrow leaving tonight to preach into of your churches. how are you and the community in buffalo doing? let's start there. reflecting on the one year anniversary of this attack. how are you in the community and the citizens of buffalo dealing with this? >> first, reverend sharpton, i want to thank you and the national action network for your support of our community you coming to our community, comforting families, preaching some of the funerals and also providing financial support for the funerals in our city we are holding up, we are still supporting each other rattling around each other federal resources, state resources are
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coming to the city of buffalo we want to make sure that those resources are spent strategically and they benefit east buffalo, the east side of our city where a large black population lives and makes sure that the resources that are coming get into the hands of our residents that were most affected by this horrific mass shooting that was inspired by racial hatred. >> today in his commencement address at howard university graduating class president biden denounced white supremacy as the most dangerous terrorist threat to the nation, take a listen. >> stand up against the poison of white supremacist as i did in my inaugural address to singled out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland, which is white supremacy >> there is a clear deadly link between guns and
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wipers supremacist ideology which we saw again last weekend with the shooter in allen texas. the gunman who killed eight at the outlet mall was allegedly motivated by racist and white supremacist beliefs and of course the shooting in your community was also driven by racist and extreme beliefs what is your take on the presidents comments from this afternoon? >> i think president biden's comments are right on he has talked about white supremacy before. he has talked about cracking down on white supremacy. many of the families whose loved ones were taken from them in buffalo have been speaking out against white supremacy our federal government needs to be in the fight against white supremacy, they need to make our social media companies not have the ability to spread hateful ideologies and have
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people get radicalized on social media so i agree wholeheartedly with the president that white supremacy is a major domestic terrorism threat to our country. following the shooting, your governor kathy hochul signed a legislative package to strengthen gun laws, the plan calls for closing critical loopholes and would require a license for those under 21 years old to purchase semiautomatic rifles. those ideas seem like a good start. is there a way to simply keep guns out of the hands of those who hate? >> governor hochul and the new york state legislature acted very swiftly after may 14th 2022, in the city of buffalo, the legislation, the package of ten pieces of legislation that were passed in new york hope to keep guns out of the hands of
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dangerous individuals. we need this to be done at the federal level. laws are in even from -- uneven from state to state, we need the federal government to take more action. unfortunately half of the congress, half of those in the u.s. house of representatives, and in the u.s. senate put the interest in the profits of gun manufacturers ahead of the safety of the american people. >> now, on friday, several tech companies, such as the parent companies of facebook and google, were hit with a wrongful death lawsuit over the massacre at tops supermarket in your community. for allegedly feeding the convicted shooter with, quote, racist, antisemitic and white supremacist propaganda. this was filed by a survivor of
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the shooting. it three victims families. what do you think what is your reaction? do you believe these tech companies need to be held accountable for the shooter's motivations? >> i think tech companies do need to be held accountable. people are getting radicalized. on social media. social media is allowing people to spread hateful ideology. that is radicalizing people. a few months ago, i sat in the courtroom when the buffalo shooter was sentenced. he said, himself, he was radicalized, and he was influenced by social media. so, i think these tech companies do need to be held accountable. there is much more that they can do, and they need to be made to do it. >> well, we promised that we'd
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stay with these families in your city, i'll be there tonight. bridging there to morning, for council president pigeons church and then on to st. johns baptist ridge. reverend captain used to be w. smith's church, i'll see you in buffalo, thank you for being with us tonight. mr.. >> looking for dissing you tomorrow, reverend sharpton. >> all right, thank you again, see you tomorrow. just ahead, a special message to the mothers who've shaped, sacrificed in showed love, first, my colleague jessica layton with today's top news stories. jessica? >> hi, thank you reverend al, stories we're watching at this hour. israel and palestinian islamic jihad have agreed to a cease-fire to end the five days of fighting between those two sides. that's according to both the u.s. and israeli officials. the cease-fire was brokered by egypt, following several days of violence. including the killing of at least 33 palestinians in gaza, and at least two people that we
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know of in israel. meanwhile, voters in turkey will head to the polls tomorrow, in an election that could end the two decade rule of president erdogan. analysts are predicting a tight race between erdogan and the main opposition candidate, if no candidate gets a majority of the vote, it would trigger a second runoff election. between the two top vote getters. here in the u.s., this morning, north carolina's democratic governor vetoed newly passed abortion restrictions at a rally for reproductive rights. roy cooper called on state republicans not to use their one vote supermajority to override the veto. now, this bill would ban abortions after 12 weeks, which is down from the current 20 week cut off. i'm jessica layton, more politicsnation with reverend al sharpton after this break. s break. ♪ music (“i swear”) plays ♪ jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was. [buzz] you can always spot a first timer. gain flings with oxi boost and febreze.
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i want to offer a special tribute. to the women who have helped
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shape my life and the many other mothers and mother figures whose impact is felt whether they're still with us or not. in this love letter cold dear mama, i want to first acknowledge my beloved mother, eta sharpton. who passed away over ten years ago, it's because of her sacrifices and example that i'm standing here today. she taught me, when you stumble in life, get back up again. admit when you're wrong, and do always remember those who helped you along the way. they've also been incredible women who were like mothers to me, such as former congresswoman, the late great shirley chisholm, i was -- well working on her presidential campaign. as a teenager. she demanded excellence at everything we did. i've been able to impart the wisdom from these women to my own daughters, dominique and ashley. and my hope is that dominic,
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who now has a child of her own, my grandson marcus al sharpton brandt, will encourage him the same way. in my capacity as president of national action network, i've had the opportunity to get to know some inspiring women, who in spite of tragedy, rose up to demand justice. not only for their child, but for other mothers who lost children to police brutality in vigilantism. i'm reminded of the same day a rally was being planned in held in stanford, florida. after the killing of trayvon martin, i got the word my mother had passed. i wanted to meet, drop everything, and head to alabama where she was. but i knew she would want me to continue to fight for trayvon's mother, sabrina fulton, and his father tracy martin. so i stayed a and headed to florida for that rally. now, sabrina is part of an unfortunate -- group of women called mothers
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of the movement. who are forced to experience mother's day with one less child. i stand with these women. i stand with the memory of loretta scott king, and i stand with andrea waters king, her daughter-in-law, as we fight with these women now. i would be remiss not to mention how excessive police force and overall gun violence is ripping apart families, i'm saddened to know that a six-year-old will have to grow up without his mom, dad and younger brother after they were all killed in a mass shooting in allen, texas last saturday. i extend my condolences to the family, who have lost loved ones. in the most tragic ways. more work needs to be done to protect people from the rising gun violence and police brutality. it's mothers who are on the front lines, demanding justice.
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canceled due to bad weather. however, both candidates are hoping to sway, influential conservative activists in the hawkeye state. tonight, would've been trump's first campaign event after than eventful week. on tuesday, a civil jury in new york found the former president liable for sexually abusing and defaming columnist e. jean carroll. and awarded her $5 million. the next day, trump was part of a tv town hall where he had this to say about january 6th. >> they were their proud, they were there with love in their heart, that was an unbelievable, it was a beautiful day. >> will you pardon the january 6th rioters who were convicted of federal offenses? >> i am inclined to pardon many of them. i can't say for every single one, because a couple of them probably they got out of
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control. >> david, that was just one in a series of controversial comments and statements made by the former president that night. do you think any of it set off alarm bells within the republican party? >> within that gop estes establishment or electives, what everyone a call the non maga non trump voter, no, rev, what we're seeing, there's nothing that donald trump says that causes him to lose his grip. there's no indictment yet. that is caused him to lose his grip. the bragg and i'm in for business fraud, so trump's numbers go up, the e. jean carroll verdict finding him liable for sexual assault he saw his numbers go up. and even ajax mid indictment around january 6th at mar-a-lago or something from fani willis in georgia, what we're learning, week after week, donald trump's permanency of his grip on the party. so, ron desantis is trying to build the alternatives, the off-ramps, should trump mortally wound himself. we just haven't seen what that
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looks like. rhonda sanchez's campaign is a juggernaut of a campaign. it's not his party, it remains donald trump's party today. >> all right, along those lines, nbc news is reporting that ron desantis is on the verge of announcing his presidential bid on monday. the florida governor's political operation is set to move into its new base of operations. ,. which puts him one step closer to be legally required to register as a candidate. now, desantis has leg, recently, a national polling. however, he's selling out venues in iowa, breaking local fundraising records and forcing organizers to move into larger spaces. could it be a sign republicans are taking another look at alternatives to trump in 2024? >> i think the answer to that, rev, we'll see. rhonda scientists, this is no
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great secret that he's going to be in this race. i think, sadly, for him, starting in about november, he was supposed to go on his book tour. and really lay the groundwork, in fact, what he did was actually lose ground to donald trump. so, i think desantis has a lot to do to make up that ground, but with republican voters, i mean, you see poll after poll, it shows that he's significantly behind donald trump. he's made some very huge missteps on everything from ukraine to his battle with mickey mouse. it's just not left him in a good position. now, some of his supporters have walked away. he and donald trump are in a battle for support from the establishment elites. i'm not sure, whether or not he can make that up and recover from his missteps.
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now, the race is really on. we'll see whether ron desantis can really take a punch. i mean, on the one hand, is trying to love trump enough to gain his supporters, on the other, he has to beat him up r to separate himself from donald trump. nobody else has been able to do that, we'll see what ron desantis can do. >> david, now to the end of title 42. president biden's catching heat from both sides of the political aisle, as the covid era restrictions on emigration expire. house republicans on thursday passed an emigration bill calling for more border wall and new restrictions for asylum seekers. largely, as a symbolic challenge to the president. meanwhile, some democrats are unhappy with the rules the administration is put in place to deal with an anticipated influx of migrants. where do you think the american people are on the immigration debate, right now? >> look, politically, i think
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america would be happy to see consensus between the parties on immigration reform. the problem right now is, when republicans talk about immigration reform, they talk about enforcement, border walls, and throw in migrants out. and you see the democratic party leading with what should really be the heart and soul of the country, which is a welcoming posture, trying to make it -- create opportunity for those who want to find opportunity, in the united states. i think americans want to see both. they want to see us be a nation that elevates people seeking opportunity. that cares. for the tired of the poor in those seeking to have a better life here in the united states. they also understand, there has to be rules to go along with it. republicans about a chance for, 20 years, to reach that compromise with democrats. they refused to do so. because the xenophobia in the republican party runs so deep. that elected leaders, like marco rubio, when they even try, they realize, they can't go there. or they'll lose their reelection. the american people know whether to come down on, this
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are politicians and washington on the republican side of the aisle, unfortunately. >> don, earlier today, president biden gave an update on debt limit negotiations as the deadline nears to avoid a default. take a listen. >> will move along. hard to tell. whether or not i -- so, there's been discussion about some changes. we're not there yet. >> the president went on to say more will be known about the progress in the next two days. with just a few minutes until secretary yellen's june 1st deadline. do you steal a deal happening in the 11th hour? >> i don't know, we've always had 11th hour deals in the past. sadly, those deals that come at a last-minute still can have a tremendous impact on the market. so, i worry about that.
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look, it's a good thing, the senior staff continue to talk into the gauthier, i think it does have to see whether they continue to talk past each other. the reality is, i think all parties know that the united states cannot afford to default, that would be a disaster for our own economy. it would be an absolute disaster for the global economy. but it's a good thing that they continue to talk. >> all right, thank you, representatives, donna edwards and david jolly. coming up, a sweeping look at the life and legacy of george floyd. just one of procedures pulitzer prize. we'll speak to the authors next. next (tap, tap) listen, your deodorant just has to work. i use secret aluminum free. just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later i still smell fresh. secret works. ohhh yesss. staaaaacccceeeyyy!
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reminded that the nation's hurdling toward another tragic anniversary at the end of this month. it's been nearly three years since george floyd was murdered by former minneapolis police officer, derek chauvin. the cell phone video footage shocking the nation and the world. into an unprecedented conversation about police brutality and the disproportionate use of force against black americans. as that conversation played out, to journalists traveled to minneapolis and houston to learn more about the man whose name reinvigorated a movement. joining me now, national political enterprise reporter for the new yorker, robert samuels. and washington, i'm sorry, washington post white house bureau chief, toluse olorunnipa.
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am i seeing it right? >> very close. >> thank you, they're both offers of his name was george floyd. here's the book they wrote which i'm pleased to say just won the 2023 pulitzer prize for nonfiction. congratulations on this book, and your pulitzer prize. for nonfiction. i understand that for the reporting in this book, you both temporarily relocated to minneapolis. and houston and spent significant time as have i with george floyd's family and friends. all leading up to the trial that led to derek chauvin's conviction. robert, for our audience, yet to read the book, what did you learn? >> well, we learned a lot of things, the first thing we learned is that the battle for george floyd to breathe in america started long before he
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ever met derek chauvin. and what we did, we go back as far as seven generations to document his, life his family life, and how it was shaped by systemic racism. then we go and we take a first look at, not just the trump childhood derek chauvin, but a look at this big movement that we thought, at the beginning, might change america. so, it serves as, not only a tribute to george floyd's life, but a look at how systemic racism operates in a tiny first century, and questions where we go from here. when we think about this tragic murder. >> toluse, i want to ask about the choking death of jordan nearly new york city. a case with some tragic echoes to the death of george floyd ex marine, daniel penny, is out on bond after turning himself in to new york police thursday to
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face second degree manslaughter charges, pennies attorneys have said that his client was protecting himself and others. and that he didn't intend to harm or could not have or seen his death. i will deliver the eulogy next week, as i did to george floyd eulogies, as head of national action network. what are your thoughts on nearly's life and death, especially after he spent so much time immersed in the life interesting circumstances of george floyd? >> it reminded me so much of that eulogy gave in minneapolis for george floyd. where you talked about how the knee on the neck was a symbol, not only of derek chauvin putting his knee on george floyd's neck, but how black americans have found the knee of the state, the knee of various institutions, they have systemic racism, on their neck for 400 years. and it reminded me that jordan nearly, yes, died on the subway platform, choke to death by
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another rider, another passenger, a former marine. but reading about his life, that's not the first time he faced brutal force, from someone or an institution that did not see his humanity. that did not see him as someone who was worthy of empathy. so, i'm very much looking forward to your eulogy for jordan neely, because i think it tells us a little bit about where we are as a country, we still are a country where people are not always seen for who they, are their full selves. we have to ask ourselves what happened, what broke down in the american system that jordan nearly was on the subway and in the words of one of the witnesses saying, i'm ready to die. i don't care. i don't have food to eat. and everything to drink. where is the breakdown of the social safety net, as we saw on george floyd's life, over and over again, from housing, to education to mental health care. the breakdown and social safety net led to the moment that derek chauvin in george floyd me when another on royal day 2020, and that same meeting between the person who killed
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jordan neely and jordan milley, there's a lot of history, and a lot of back on we have to look at. i think that's one issue that makes this bigger than just one person, killing another, it's about our society, and where what we're doing as a country. >> now, staying with you, toluse, i notice florida governor and potential republican presidential candidate, ron desantis, and started fundraising for daniel penny calling him a good samaritan. the man that choked this young man. he is raising money for him, calling him a good samaritan. meanwhile, president biden, former president trump, who were both candidates during the death of george floyd, and the demonstrations that followed, once again, running for the white house. as you consider all of that, and well you cover the white house, how do you anticipate issues of race, crime and policing, to influence the 2024 campaign. >> they're gonna be central.
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we have president biden at -- university making his pitch, two young black voters, talking about all that he's been able to accomplish in the things you want to do in the second term. you heard from former president trump, using racist dog whistles and his most recent commentary, including during his town hall, early in the week. and you have the florida governor, ron desantis, who normally would not be commenting on a case 700 miles away, but because he wants to focus on some of these cultural issues, and drive their cultural wedge that he thinks will help him in a primary, he's commenting and raising money for someone who's not even one of his constituents. so, it's clear, racial issues, issues of racial justice, the same issues that activists were talking about after george floyd was killed three years ago, are going to be front and center in this upcoming presidential race, just as they were in 2020. we're gonna be focusing on these issues, talking about these issues, and it's gonna be up to the candidates to find a message that appeals to a broad swath of americans and does not
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only seek to divide, us but seeks to figure out how we can move on and move forward as a country. >> robert, coming back to florida governor desantis and the republican legislature have been passing legislation to ban books, dealing with race and sexuality from schools. elaborate. has the author of a book that, very much confronts racial issues, what's your response to that? >> well, first and foremost, i'm a journalist. and by being a journalist, i believe that, when people have the opportunity to read about people who are not like themselves, to read about experiences that they don't have, there's value and there's warmth and there's understanding and there's nuance that comes with it. that's what we wanted to do with our book, our guiding post were empathy and the truth. and we hope that people who would consider banning books would actually read our book and read ones like. it i think they open a path for
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people to understand and see the world in a bit more nuanced and a lot more perspective when they go about their lives. when we think of banned books, we have to wonder what we're confronting? what we're afraid of? what our reporting showed us? >> and we have to cut it, i'm sorry, where the time. robert and toluse thank you both for being, here your book that won the pulitzer this week is called his name is george floyd, congratulations to both of you again. my final thoughts, just ahead. hts, just ahead. ♪♪ allergies don't have to be scary. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good! how to grow delicious herbs:
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any jury should see it as such. it's still a mystery to me why he was initially released by police after just a few hours of questioning. and let's not forget the two other people seen on video restraining neely. we still don't have nearly enough information about their role, and whether they will be held accountable. so these manslaughter charges are just one step toward the road to justice for jordan neely. and as we wait. his family has requested and his lawyers who are able to, his attorneys have requested and i as head -- lawyer i will come deliver his eulogy on friday but before that i will travel to buffalo new york tomorrow to mark the first anniversary of the shooting that left ten black people dead at a tops supermarket. i was there on the ground in
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the western new york almost immediately after the 19 year old body armored gunman opened fire not long after posting a racist manifesto online. i delivered several of those victims eulogies while the national action network helped to cover costs of all of those ten funerals. i always hope that any funeral of a victim of a hate crime is the last one i need to attend. the any eulogy i need to deliver for someone killed by gun violence or police brutality or any other brutality is the last one of my career. but in this america i always get the call for the next one, and the next one, and if i get one more call in tribute to my mother, i will answer that one too. because she raised me to bianco and perform my duty. we'll be right back.
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