deeply kind. she has always been a rock to me and to my sisters and always told us to keep our feet planted on the ground and to hold our heads high. pretty good advice. she taught me so much about being a mom myself as well. i want to say thank you to my mother-in-law marianne, a retired first grade teacher who is such a rock in our lives as well and to vivian matthew. thanks for making me a mom. a very happy mother's day to all of my mom squad across the country. that does it for me today. we will be back here next sunday at noon eastern. be sure to follow the show on twitter, tiktok, and instagram. stay right where you are. there is much more news ahead on msnbc. much more news ahea on msnbc

a very good day to all of you at msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports, and a happy mother's day to all of you moms out there celebrating. developing this, our new reaction to the ending of title 42, as predictions of chaos and an unprecedented influx of migrants have not materialized this weekend. homeland security secretary explains why earlier today. >> because we have communicated fairly clearly, a vitally important message. the individuals who are thinking of arriving at our southern border, there is a lawful, safe, an orderly way to arrive in the united states. it is through the pathways that president biden has expanded in an unprecedented way. then, there is a consequence if one does not use those lawful pathways. >> also new, the clock tick union washington journal a deal to raise the debt ceiling before a june 1st deadline for

default. staff meetings are taking place today ahead of an unexpected meeting this week between the president, and congressional leaders. lawmakers on both sides today are weighing in on negotiations. >> it's time to bring spending levels back to pre-covid, and then we can talk about raising the debt ceiling. frankly, republicans have passed that plan. >> the only leader who says, we are going to like the american economy on fire if we can't get an agreement in the next 10 to 14 days is kevin mccarthy. that is deeply worrying to me. >> one year after a deadly grocery store shooting in buffalo, president biden making a new plea for action on gun violence. the president writing an op-ed in usa today saying, quote, i'm doing everything i can to reduce gun violence, but congress must do more. later this, our alaska lawmaker if congress can answer that call. also new today at the border, migrants telling nbc news that we're mers may have led to a larger impact in the days

before title 42 was lifted. homeland security -- said today that 4200 migrants cross the border yesterday. 6300 passed on friday. compare that to the days before, when 10,000 across on thursday, and a record breaking 11,000 on each of the two days before that. here's part of the report from nbc's -- >> new rules put in place by the biden administration will make it harder for asylum seekers to gain entry. they're now required to make an appointment through an app, then go to a point of entry before being processed by cpp. they can no longer arrive at the border wall. >> correspondent, ray, johnson is joining me from el paso. brie, welcome. the number, it's smaller than anticipated. what are you seeing today? >> good afternoon, alex. city officials say that they haven't seen that major influx that people have talked about, but they have seen a steady increase in migrants coming to

el paso. behind me, what you're seeing here, this is sacred heart church. this is a building here that has helped house migrants for the past couple of weeks and months. in particular, what you're looking at now, this is called gangsters for jesus. this is a local community church that goes from alley to alley to provide to a church service to those in need. in particular, what they say they've been seeing, they say that they have seen an increase in migrants to attending their services. and this is the first service there happened once title 42 has been lifted. general, the city is coming together to try to address the increase that they've had. we are told is 5700 migrants and border security in el paso. emergency management is helping them find shelter and housing as well. to local middle schools have been turned into temporary housing for the migrants that are coming in. we're told about 80 families are staying, they're already people are staying there now. it's just one of the efforts that are being done here in the

community to help address the needs. my colleague -- spoke with a local shelter or but what they're seeing. take a listen. >> well, it's actually been quite slow, once title 42 was lifted. we've got a little bit of an unknown factor at this point. especially if you compare that to what we saw two weeks ago, where we had close to 2500 individuals on the street between two different locations. and more sort of in that mode of anxiety. we do believe that something is common, we don't know when, or how it's going to come. >> that has been the city's mantra. they have been preparing for the unknown. we've heard several people say that. they know that el paso has received about $27 million from -- to help address this issue. they are requesting more funding is the expected upward microscope renewed in the days

ahead. >> it is -- the don't know at this point. thank you so much, for johnson, for telling us what we do know today. let's bring in my colleague, jen psaki, host of the msnbc's inside with jen psaki, and former white house press secretary for the biden administration. what do you got, a four-minute break for me on your show? thanks for sticking around. >> i'm happy to be here with you, alex. >> i'm always glad to talk with. you look, what we was talking about, they're the concerns that at the end of title 42 will lead to an influx of migrants. the southern border has been significantly calmer than expected,. john how do you interpret that? >> i think one, the end of title 42 was because it was a cdc authority. it was put in place by the former president, donald. trump was at the point where the cdc just started to overturn it. i think this reflux, at this point so far, a lot of preparation done by secretary allen new york, by members of the biden administration, in anticipation of a large influx. there is still more time, more days to go. regardless of what we see over

the next couple days, that there would be agreements that the immigration process in the system is hugely broken. that needs to be fixed. yes, i think it's a reflection of a lot of preparation. >> yes, so far. they can handle. it let switch gears and talk about what we were watching yesterday, which was the president delivering that commencement of dress at howard university. a, times as you, know it sounded like a campaign speech. take a listen to this. >> today i come here to howard to would deem the work -- stand up against the poison of white supremacy, as they did my address. the ongoing assault, to prostanoid to vote. because you turned out, you spoke up, you knew, you showed up, you knew the votes counted. you make people say, well, wait a minute. what price will it be if i don't?

>> you know, fighting for the soul of america, that's the theme that he is bringing back from 2020. do you think it's so any message for next year? or should he be running on his accomplishments instead of a few of the alternative? >> well, i think he'll certainly have to do both, alex. he didn't win on that message in 2020, but i think what people ask the understandable question, will he talk about trump? will he make a contrast about all of the craziness that we've seen, including this week, but the former president? that's how he does that. the soul of the nation is a contrast with the alternative, the alternative of former president trump. he's talking, about he referenced white supremacists. there -- and prove that donald trump has embraced. that is his way of drawing the contrast. i also think he's going to local events, to travel. he will have to do some selling of his accomplishments as, well of course. >> for sure. the wall street journal today, as you, know it's reporting that young voters are not that enthusiastic about president

biden running again. this is because of his age and performance in office, so they say. that's also note that they're not enthusiastic about donald trump. in that clip that we play, the president emphasized the youth vote. i mean, it is early, but showed youth turnout be a concern for the biden camp? >> well, first, paul youth turnout is always underestimated. young people have been turning out more in recent elections. even mid term elections. i think most people anticipate -- it is going to be, keep, it'll for president biden to be reelected. i will also say, yes, and maybe that there are concerns his age. donald trump is 76, 77 years old. when it comes to the contrast, i don't, think of us on a, trump is going to be the age. it's going to be between their issues, in the contrast between what they stand for, and what they represent. and that's why i think the current president biden was making a strong case on that. >> let's take a peek on the one state trump town hall, because

some are suggesting it's a big campaign week for trump. i'm wondering, if you think an opposing argument could be made. here's why. the biden campaign advisers says that there were weeks worth of damning content in one hour. as that -- when i spoke with him yesterday, listen to what he said. >> his statements, which may be good for his primary, are going to be very damaging for him in the january election. democrats and joe biden will use the says that -- in fact, we've already been doing that. >> primaries versus generals. where do you fall on this, jen? do you think it was a win for, trump or for democrats? >> i'm not sure that one town hall is a big win, or a big game changer for anyone. that room was largely trump supporters. we know that. clearly, we know that it has a hold on not just his base, but the republic, any, no root primary voter. that's good news for him. this is as it relates to

winning the nomination. a lot of what he said during that town hall, and, addition there was a lot of craziness seaside, calling january 6th a beautiful day. one of the most horrifying moments was when he kind of went after e. jean carroll, people in the audience last, but even beyond that he said things like joking about it to fault. he couldn't answer basic abortion questions. he couldn't say he wanted ukraine to when. it's not that anyone issue is going to term in the votive independents, and undecided voters, however many they may be out there, but all of that is not really the makings of a candidate that's appealing to a broad base. >> gotcha. can i just say real quick, one perla voice them that i got from your mom, i'm trying to write all the stuff down listening to her, you're so lucky to have had her as a mom. i'm loving the child you have, not the one you wish you had. that was beautiful. so important. >> i am one of three girls, alex. we are all very different.

she's always embraced exactly who we are. i think about that is embracing kits as well. >> you are one lucky mom to have her as an example. so my, by the way. i'll talk about that later. jen, good to see, you have a happy mother's day. coming up next, one year since racially motivated killings and buffalo. a moment of remembrance to begin. soon, first to look at what has changed, and perhaps, more importantly, what has not. later, former white house communications director, stephanie grisham, on why she makes, or what she makes of donald trump's latest statements. we're back in 60 seconds. 60 seconds yourself. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon. (cecily) so you got an awesome network... (seth) and when i switched, i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. not bragging. (cecily) you're bragging. (neighbor) oh, he's bragging. (seth) who, me? never. oh, excuse me. hello, your royal highness, sir... (cecily) okay, that's a brag. (seth) hey, mom. i gotta call you back. (vo) visit your verizon store during our spring savings event and choose the phone you want,

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major domestic terrorist threat in this country. today, the president published an op-ed, calling for a bans on assault weapons and high capacity magazines, as well as laws improving security and background checks. repeal enid muted e for gun manufacturers. it's good nbc's, jermaine lee. welcome. what's the mood like that today? >> i'll tell you, what, alex the mood is already pretty solomon somber. you can see behind, we folks are gathering in the parking lot of the top supermarket, where they will be a commemoration. right behind me here, you might remember a year ago, filled with balloons, stuffed animals. now, there's a, sign flowers, showing that this will be the spot of a more permanent memorial. folks in this community have been back and forth over the course of the year. they're trying to find a way to heal themselves from that unbearable weight of all the trauma spread across home to home, community to community in the city. i had a chance to talk to one woman who said that even though

she was -- these are unprecedented, buffalo is dealing with the specific kind of pain, which requires the specific kind of healing. take a listen. >> there is no emergency preparedness plan for domestic terrorism. what i mean by that, if you have a tornado, if you have floods, there is an emergency plan. there is no plan when somebody comes to kill you with an ar-15, and slaughterhouse. what's the plan for domestic terrorism and anti hate? movement. what is the plan we're going to have? we don't have a plan for the community. we have plans for everything else, but we don't have plans for hate. >> alex, even though so much was stolen from this community, and folks who remember. that they're also remembering what they do have left, which is each other, and their fate. moving forward, some of the families of the victims are suing the shooter's family, and

a gun parts manufacturer that needed device that allowed that shooter to replace the macon scene. remember, you can only have a ten round magazine. that allowed him to replace that. you are attorney, general -- was so even though this community is still dealing with so much,, alex they're trying to find ways to take small steps. to make the road a feeling by walking at. >> bless them on this mother's day. okay, tremaine, thank you so much for. that for anyone listening, jermaine's new episode of into america has more on how the buffalo community has found strength and ghislaine. you can listen now wherever you get your podcasts. there is yet another bombshell headline from this military secrets that leaked on the internet. can the latest one involving ukraine be believed? e be believed? and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv >> woman: why did we choose safelite?

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with ukraine, as the washington post unveils new documents for the discord lease. classified intelligence falsity tell zelenskyy's internal communications with top aides, in the military show that he's been plotting bowl to toxin russia, including proposals to occupy villages, and bomb a pipeline to hungry. the documents, which have not been previously disclosed, are part of a broader lead at the u.s. secrets on the discord messaging platform. it was obtained by the washington post. it says that the path to commented not dispute the authenticity of the materials. joining me now is congressman,

jason crow. a democratic member of the house intelligence of whatever is committees. welcome back, good to see you. the post points out that president-elect ski won the trust of western governments by refusing to use the weapons they provide for tax inside russia. will the u.s. back plans to attack inside russia, or might that be a step too far? >> hi, alex. first of, all happy mother's day to you and all the moms out there. it's always good to be with you. listen, with salons, keys but nothing better responsible partner for the united states here. he has pledged president biden to america, that he will not be used a weapon, they're using them for a tax. there's no reasons to believe that he will go back on the pledge. in fact, in his extreme disservice to, him and not didn't self interest to do that. we are, by, far the biggest patron of ukraine. why would he jeopardize our, a, current feature by going back

on that pledge? there's no reason to believe he's gonna change. that he's bold. he's a bold leader. he's fighting for the survival of his country, it is people. he's doing what's necessary to make sure that he's pushing back, and -- >> russia's awareness of this concept at least, in the fact, that yes, he's, bold they know he has. could that make russia rethink its strategy, and accelerate in a negotiated peace? >> well,, alex what he needs to be doing this keeping vladimir putin -- game needs to be making sure that vladimir putin is questioning his assumptions, questioning his strategy to reassess his calculus. right now, vladimir putin's mindset is he's just going to wear everybody down. what he's trying to do is just make this a two, three, four-year thinking that there was a-palooza and trust, that the ukrainian coalition will lose interest, and divert its intention elsewhere, the ukrainians will eventually be ground down. that's what he's trying to do.

what zelenskyy needs to do is -- the status quo won't work for him. when you're trying to work the status quo, you need to, people do need to be innovative, you need to be doing different things. you also need to be smart about it. you can do things that are, down or in the interest of ukraine. show in your availability to balance those things. >> you have to wonder if within russia, citizens are tired of sending our sons and daughters of the front lines of this war. we'll see if this happens. let's switch gears -- as the deadline here is default. how concerned are you about this, so you confident about these talks? i'm curious about where you and democrats might be willing to compromise. >> while i still think there is a path to getting this done, you, now the way things work in washington, when a deal is done, and all is going to until it, doesn't that happens in the last minute. there's no way to govern, but as the pattern we're in right now. there's a small group of

extreme republicans who are holding this country, american workers hostage we should not be having these conversations. the fact that we're so close the fall right now undermines confidence in our economy, and those supporting our economy. we shouldn't be in this place right now. republicans are willing to sabotage our governments, sent us into a recession, simply because they want to make a philosophical point. that's not the way to handle any of this. we need to come together, moderate -- to find a path forward here that everyone can live with. >> last question here, are important topic. and a new usa t.a. op-ed, the president says he's doing everything he can to reduce gun violence but congress must do more. can congress answer the call? we watch mashudu in a mass shooting. is the tide turning it all towards movement on this? >> alex, let me be clear here,

this is republicans on congress. this is in congress. me and my fellow republicans in congress supposed assault weapons ban, universal background checks, the -- we have legislated over and over again without the support of our republican counterparts. the legislation has gone to the senate to dive. the filibuster must come to an end. there's no reason why legislation that supported by almost 90% of americans shouldn't be able to pass easily. because it is arcane rule that's not even in the constitution, that is long loved any usefulness that it had, that legislation dies in the senate. it's not even in. that the gun lobby continues to deal with fear, lies, and those lies have to be exposed, right? this notion that, you, know if you outlaw, or if you pass common sense gun bills, or you outlaw salt weapons, that will mean criminals have. godsister's not true.

there are lots of common sense gun bills that passed with overwhelming support. they prevent people from having guns, and making the community safer. there are things we can do. >> okay, congressman jason, how is good to have you on the show. thank you for your time. in the meantime, stephanie grisham, former white house communications director, joins me to talk about a complaint that arose during the trump years. it's only surfacing. now what is that? why now? s that why now? meet the outdoorsies. wayfair's outdoor deal experts. the gardener... goes to wayfair for gardening basics that... aren't so basic. the entertainer... her place might look expensive. don't let it fool you. and me, the lounger... i get just what i need with a tap on the wayfair app. get outdoorsy for way less at wayfair. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ (man) what if my type 2 diabetes takes over?

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at the same time. before that projector june 1st deadline that the treasury decree terry says that -- descending the u.s. of its first ever default. of, course was on the table, we know that staff are sitting down to try to see if they can come to some kind of compromise. the president, the democrats remain committed to the fact that the debt ceiling should not be negotiated with republicans. who would play said at mccarthy, bolstered by the house republican, belarus say that it should be done in tandem. i want you to take a listen to what two members, one democrat, one republican, had to say today, and how they view the demand at this moment. >> if we want to get serious about deficit reduction, you have to put tax increases for billionaires and corporations on the table. that's why i'm pretty skeptical that there's going to be an agreement in the next two weeks. what worries me is that chuck schumer, joe biden, deepened mitch mcconnell, have said that

if we can't get an agreement in the next few weeks, to fulton's off the table. the only leader who says that we are going to like the american economy on fire, and we can get an agreement in the next 10 to 14 days, this kevin mccarthy. >> if joe biden bring south into the, table foley does the sit there with his hands in his pocket, that not slip their understanding what he's, done these to negotiate, he is the one leading in our nation into default. >>, alex clearly there's some urgency, because staff have continued meeting throughout the weekend. they're really trying to see if they can get this done. the reality, as even a short term solution was taken off the table not only by speaker mccarthy, but by leader jeffrey. we know that's probably not going to happen. all of them are hoping they can get to a final deal, killed so far, both sides are still far apart. >> so -- with your help, julie. thank you for that. in the meantime, election results are expected soon in a critical country. the outcome will be felt

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voices heard. there has been a verdict. there's been an appeal. >> are you drawn into question the legal findings? >> no, i said, there's a verdict. i think there's been an appeal. i think it stands where it stands. i think the american people need to make a decision based on that. >> that is presidential candidate, nikki haley, sidestep, in sort of, speak a direct question about the eeg carroll verdict. joining me now, stephanie grisham. former -- her book is titled, i'll take your questions now. what i saw the trump white house. stephanie, good to see. you thanks for come rain on mother's day, i know you've good reason to celebrate today. anyway, you heard that from nikki haley. why not a more direct response from her? why not go more directly -- for the presidential nomination. >> well,, sadly it's the simple answer is politics. she does not want to upset his

base. she's probably trying to harness this in order to get the republican nomination, if possible. i agree with her on a lot of that. everyone deserves their day in court, including donald trump. e. jean carroll had a right to take her case to court to. the difference is no one heard from both of. them other than the deposition, the definition of trump, he didn't bother to show. i don't believe they got to her from the jury. >> why didn't he show up? i mean, that was a big, big talking. point you go to defend yourself in court if you feel like you have the guts to defender south. why did michelle app? >> well my personal opinion is that his lawyers probably said you absolutely should not go. you know what, i'm contradicted myself with what i just said, but i probably would've given him the same advice. he's his own worst enemy. that is for certain. he wouldn't have bill well liked what the jury. >> given your answers, what was your reaction to the a.g.

carroll verdict? >> you know, i thought that it was, i think we should believe injuries. i think he did have a jury of his. peers in other his side to say that there's a lot of liberal new yorkers. i understand that. let's understand that he was born and raised in new york, from new york. the jury had six men on it. i thought that was really interesting. i think that it was him, did not take it seriously. he's going to appeal. i understand that after the last cnn town hall, she's considering suing him for defamation. >> yeah, she is considering that. you mentioned the town hall, give me your overall impressions from. that was your big takeaway? >> well, i do think it's important no matter what, the people can hear from, you know, the nominee. if he is the front runner for the republican party. i think that it was smart for them. i think every network should try to have anybody who is that far ahead in the polls. it was him, i wasn't surprised by any answer that he gave.

i wasn't surprised that he called kaitlyn callands, nasty. if there is a woman standing up for herself, that's usually what you get labeled, if not more. i was very saddened and disheartened that the audience was laughing and clapping as he made fun of e. jean carroll, who just the day before, had one in her lawsuit against him for sexual abuse. that was sad. i think it was important for people to see no matter what. >> a couple things here. first of all, the audience. we know it was a lot of trump supporters who are independents, they don't know where they're gonna go. you would think that they were right there alongside the trump supporters with their reactions. what does that say to you? >> well, you know, i do wonder how the audience was selected and vetted. i think that, you know, probably in the negotiations, and just me speculating, that's what the trump side won it. a fairly friendly cloud. and he played off of them. that was what also who he is.

again, i think people should see that. >> do you think that he gained even one more vote? i mean, if he's putting this image of himself out there, it only reinforces what we saw over four years. again, say it like your vote for another four. do you think he gained a vote?

it seems like a lot of what he said what directly affects and influence the votes that he's trying to secure our. suburban women, for one. >> no is the answer. i don't think he got any more votes. he was playing to his normal crowd, who will already vote for him. they won't change their mind. there's no way, my opinion, that he got any votes that would help him if he were to get to the general election. >> okay, stephanie grisham. thank you so much for taking part on mother's day. i always love having you on the show. >> thank you. >> in the meantime, developing now for all of. your results are soon expected from turkey's critical presidential election. poll numbers are very close. the president erdogan, he's facing the biggest threat to his two decade will. the results are set to impact several crises in the region. we'll go to ralph sanchez. waft, welcome. this is been the most pivotal

election and modern turkish estuary. what is at stake? >> well,, alex huge amount at stake here, both for turkey's democracy, and its relationship to the west, the united states, and with nato. and terms of democracy, president erdogan has become increasingly autocratic, increasingly authoritarian over the recent years. he is really clamp down on the country's media, on the court system, on the central bank. when you speak to people in turkey some of them will tell you that this is turkey's potentially last chance to kind of change directions, move towards a democratic path for all of erdogan's authoritarian tendencies. elections in turkey remain, if not fair, then free. erdogan is basically wall-to-wall on state media. the votes are, according to people in the ground, for the most part, fairly counted. this is a big moment for people who want to change the direction of turkey. in terms of turkey's

relationship with the broader world, as we talked about so many times, it is a key geopolitical player. it isn't a very strategic location. it is a member of nato. as sometimes difficult member of nato. or seen right now that it is turkey that's holding up sweden 's joining of the nato alliance. this could be a really big night not just for turkey, but its place in the world. alex. >> there's lots of eyes focusing on where you. our thank you so much, 12, centers for that. it all spilled out and one republican statement. white nationalists, maga republicans, and trump supporters. hear what happened when he was asked about it, next. ked about it, next be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. weeds... they have you surrounded. you're just gonna stand there?

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white nationalist beliefs, and which there are in this country, unfortunately, deeply they should be serving in the military? >> you got to find that first. what is a white nationalist? >> a white nationalist propagates nazism, who disbelieve that black people and brown people -- >> is a nazi? >> that is one of their beliefs. >> i don't look at it like that. >> how do you look at it? >> a look at a white nationalist as a strong republican. that's what we're called all the time. >> do you agree with that assumption? >> i agree that we should not be characterized in trump

supporters as white nationalists. >> alabama senator speaking with nbc's julie serve. she was trying to clarify his defense force single-handedly blocking a slew of military promotions in the senate and asked whether he believes white nationalists should be allowed to serve. he called, quote, that they called him that, i call them americans. joining me now is john calloway, founder of the national voter protection action fund. susan del percio, republican strategists, and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. my sunday family. on this mother's day, i'm very glad to have all of you with me. the senator's office told nbc news that he has a undoing sarcastic sense of humor, and was skeptical about white nationalists be a problem in the military. do you believe that? it's his sense of humor, at the sarcasm there, clear to his constituents? >> no. it's not about that. that's a statement on behalf of

its office. let's be clear, hair it's important to remember that senator -- entire career has been made on the backs of mostly black, unpaid labor. he was the head coach at -- and cincinnati before that. for him to not be able to come out it's not only a moral, it's evocative of somebody was a slave owners mentality. if there is a republican party in the south in 2023, these are the types of people you're putting in the united states senate. it's also important to note that he's right. not all trump supporters are trump are white nationalists. but all white supporters, and the extent that the plane to this iteration of american democracies, are certainly trump supporters. it doesn't seem like the senator have the gray matter to put that together, and really explain to the american public why he's on the side of white nationalists. >> susan, is it to win republicans any favor with these remarks? >> no. he's doing no one any favors,

including himself. you have slightly right. not all republicans are white nationalists. not all, but all white nationalists happen to be trump supporters. you know, it brings me back, if you remember,, alex to the rally in october 2022 -- it sounded like a get-together. he was using a lot of racist language, and he was called out for it. he is exactly who he says he is, and he thinks that there is nothing wrong with being a white nationalist, a racist, and supported donald trump. >> david, and that exchange you played with julie tsirkin, the senator said that he looked at a white nationalists as a trump republican, saying we should not be characterized in trump supporters as white nationalists. does that add up? does he not understand what he's saying? >> yeah, look, i think the most important thing is that --

you have the opportunity in that moment to say that i denounce white nationalism, there's no place for it in our politics, our military. then, if you want to apply how people are labeled, great. then you can have that more esoteric conversation. the danger in what we see in these remarks is this normalization and mainstreaming white nationalism within today's gop. you see it with donald trump and, his nod to both the keepers and the proud boys. you see dirrell, east on january 6th. alex, the real danger here as, this is now part of today's republican coalition. it has been normalized. >> all right. we're going to move on to florida governor, ron desantis, who's chris -- is a source familiar with plans. he told nbc news that he's on the verge of announcing his presidential bet. here's what he said about the state of the republican party. here it is. >> things are bad right now, if things do not go all for us republicans in 2024, it'll get worse.

we must reject the culture of losing that has infected our party in recent years. the time for excuses over. we've got to demonstrate the courage to lead, the strength to win. if we do that, if we make 2024 election a referendum on joe biden, and his failures, and if we provide a positive alternative to the future of this country, republicans will win across the board. >> susan, what do you make of that message? it's all about winning their. do you think democrats have reason to worry about desantis as a potential candidate? >> well, for desantis, if he wanted to what a general election, he sure picked a lousy legislative agenda. let's not forget, he banned abortion, and, essence by putting that six-week ban. he now doesn't require people to get permits, or go get trained and using guns. he's taking on big business. i don't see his path to any victory, but, should biden be

concerned? i think joe biden needs to be concerned about anyone who is not donald trump. >> what about you, david? desantis -- you knew what they were going to hold tulane events -- severe weather forced trump to cancel. desantis made a surprise stop right where trump was supposed to be. what kind of impact might that move have on and not only trump fans, but on trump's reaction? >> yeah, here's the paradox with desantis's candidacy. he has built a could juggernaut of a campaign when it comes infrastructure and financing. frankly, strategy. including the outside group and an early strategy -- this is a campaign that could go the distance, but, the paradox, as he's not offering anything different than donald trump. even those remarks are just played or something that would be spent out by one of these a.i. chatbot's machines. hey, let's just not lose. he's not saying what he would do differently. >> what, there was no policy --

donald trump, i like to, say offers white nationalists for the working men. ron desantis offers white nationalism for the country club crowd. they belong to the same party, the narrative is the same. >> do you think it desantis candidacy threatens donald trump's leadership and struggled in the republican party? >> no. i'm a boxing guy, they say that you have to -- there's no one that comes anywhere close to having been contesting donald trump in any substantive -- on the republican primary. side it seems to me, and i don't know anything about the professionalism and infrastructure that who we have someplace to show that he is running a real campaign, but it seems to me that he is standing on the matters of whatever kind of conviction, our count ability, it comes to donald trump so that he is not able to come to the end. >> yeah, you know my friend, dawn, you frequently wore

sweatshirts that have meaning to them, and i love that you're wearing a howard sweatshirt. certainly in the wake of yesterday, president biden given the commencement address that. what struck out most to you about what you heard from president biden there? >>, well let me just say, shout out to president -- that's his last commencement. he has done an incredible job. yeah, so shutout to dr. frederik. shout out to the honorable john clyburn forgetting a doctorate in front of the president, to be reminded that he was from south carolina. it just goes to show joe biden's comments decency. let's be honest about it, he was able to speak directly to black votes. my southern relatives here from out of town, and all over the country, we're reminded a national black audience and that he's a steady hand, and it couldn't decent man. that's the choice in 2024. goodness and decency versus country club or trailer park white supremacy. okay, i'm going to let that be the last four. don, david, susan. thank you so much.

that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex quick reports. happy mother's day to all the moms out there, especially my beautiful mother. there you see her. we thank you for all that you do. i'm going to see you again next saturday at noon eastern. my friend lindsey reiser continues coverage right now. s coverage right now good afternoon, i am lindsay rather in for yasmin vossoughian. cnn numbers just out today show another day of slo