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i want you to have great lives in general, and you just have to stay healthy because we're bringing you back. we're going to bring you back. >> republican front-runner donald trump vows to put qanon extremist election denier and convicted felon mike flynn back in a position of power, if trump is again elected president. also tonight, growing republican support for individuallyism as they rush to the defense of the man who choked jordan neely to death. and at long last, we finally have our hands on the much heralded durham report. and he found about as much as geraldo rivera did in al capone's vault. and we begin tonight with the parable of the good samaritan. luke, chapter 10, versus 25 through 37, reads as follows. on one occasion an expert in the

law stood up to test jesus, teacher, he asked, what must i do to inherit internal law, what is written in the law? jesus replied, how do you read it? he answered, love the lord, your god, with all your heart and with all our soul and with all your strengths and with all your mind and love your neighbor as yourself. you have answered correctly, jesus replied. do this and you will live. but he wanted to justify himself, so he asked jesus, and who is my neighbor? in reply, jesus said a man was going down from jerusalem to jericho when he was attacked by robbers. they stripped him of his clothes, beat him, and left him half dead. a prese went down the same road and he went by on the other side. so too a levite, passed by on the other side. but a samaritan, which by the

way, is an air yeah in western palestine, came to where the man was and saw him, he took pity on him. he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. the next day, he took out two dunaury, a small sum of money, and gave them to the innkeeper. look after him and when i return i will reimburse you for any extra expense you have. which of these three do you think was a neighbor of the man who fell into the hands of the neighbors. the expert in the law said the one who had mercy on him. jesus told him, go and do likewise. many of us who were raised in the church learned that bible verse in sunday school. but apparently for republicans, the parable actually ends with the samaritan choking the stripped and beaten man until he lost consciousness and died. at least if you go by the

overwhelming reaction of conservative republicans over the weekend to the arrest of the man who killed jordan neely on a new york subway train, daniel penny. congressman matt gaetz gave penny the nickname the subway superman, while marjorie taylor greene hailed penny as a hero. the "wall street journal's" conservative editorial board described penny in a friendly friday headline as the subway samaritan, and florida governor ron desantis who is expected to announce for president any day now, tweeted this must stop the soros funded d.a. and take back the streets from law abiding citizens. we stand with good samaritans like daniel penny. let's so this marine america's got his back. never mind daniel penny has not volunteered to be the right's next george zimmerman or kyle rittenhouse, to vigilante heroes

of the right who are beloved among republicans solely for killing people who they believe need killing, and getting acquitted for it at trial. penny is likely very busy working with his lawyer on his defense against a second degree manslaughter charge. though the crowdfunding site desantis promoted has already raked in more than $2 million, and here's the funny thing that's actually not so funny. republicans who every election cycle clearly believe they need a new and more frightening bogeyman to dangle in front of white working class voters, to terrify them into voting for the party of tax cuts for billionaires, have moved on from critical race theory and inflation to a toxic combination of drag shows, black history, brown immigrants, secret jewish overlords, george soros, and the always classic blue cities like chicago and new york are gotham. you, you, white citizens, can be the batman or superman. only republican batman and

superman unlike the ones in the comics, actually kill people. you, conservative, aren't conservative. must be heavily armed and empowered to kill at will with your handgun, your ar-15, or even with your bare hands. anyone who makes you feel threatened or uncomfortable any time, at your front door, in your driveway, driving by a black lives matter rally or on the terrifying black man filled subway, and the people who tend to need killing just happen to be black or brown or suffering from mental health crises or white but just a little too cozy with blm, and killing them is not just your right, republican citizen, doing it makes you a hero. joining me now is thomas zimmer, visiting professor of history at georgetown university and and charge blow, "new york times" columnist and msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here. i did ask my lovely producers to

track you down, mr. zimmer, because you wrote a thread that i think everyone should read on twitter, if those people who are still reading twitter. and you wrote and part of it said this. promoting vigilanteism sends a clear message, it encouraged white militants to use whatever force they please to fight back against anyone or anything associated with the left. call it the kyle rittenhouse dogma, the right is defined by a political and social culture of grievance, nationalism, gun fundamentalism, and glorified militancy. very hard to sustain democracy under such circumstances. please say more. >> well, look y have to admit, i'm actually really disturbed by the reactions on the right. i can't say i am surprised but i am disturbed. what this tells us is all strands of the right, republican elected officials, media

machine, the reactionary intellectual sphere, the conservative base, they're all openly and aggressively embracing right wing vigilante violence. that's not a new phenomenon. it has been for large parts of u.s. history the norm. but it has really radicalized since the summer of 2020. that's why i think it is important to think back to kyle rittenhouse and sort of what happened in the aftermath of the protests after the murder of george floyd. and on the right, i mean, what we're seeing now, i think it's really important to think about this embrace of vigilante violence as a tool in their fight against democracy. it is a tool to suppress the majority. because they know they don't have majority support, and it is a tool to enforce their vision of society on the majority. and it's just very hard to, you know, imagine a stable multiracial democracy under such

circumstances. and that is the point. that is exactly the point. that is why they are embracing this kind of white vigilante violence. >> right, and i think to be clear, charles blow, we don't even know if daniel penny is a right winger, if he wants to be the new kyle rittenhouse. unlike george zimmerman who leaned into becoming the right's new hero and like auctioned the gun and made a big show of himself, right, or kyle rittenhouse, who posed with members of the proud boys and has really leaned into becoming a mini celebrity for killing those two men at the black lives matter march, we don't know this guy's ideology. all we know is he fits the bill of what they want. similarly, you had the now fired former fox news star or fox star, i don't call it news anymore, tucker carlson, order the governor of texas to pardon a man who has now gotten 25 years in prison because he shot

a man who was white but who was at a black lives matter rally, so therefore, he's an enemy, and declared he was going to shoot some people. then he did it, and then they didn't even look into who he was. now it turns out he was also propositioning underaged girls. they don't even care who you are. their thing is, if you're a white man, you just get to kill whoever you want and we're going to justify it. your thoughts. >> right, and i think it was smart to think about it in the bigger kind of more global sense of what we're viewing here. it is not necessarily about these people as individuals. it is about these people as symbols. what the right is saying to america and has been saying for quite some time is that they look at america in an apocalyptic view. they see a time coming where they feel like they may need to defend themselves from america itself, a more multiracial america, a browner america where

they don't have a numerical advantage. we have seen a whole slate of legislation, not just kind of gathered around culture figures, but legislation that expanded gun rights, expanded your ability to carry in public, expanding your ability to kill people and not be criminally liable for doing that, whether that be using the castle doctrine or saying you are decriminalizing killing protesters in the street. they are glomming on to vigilantes because they believe there's a future in which they may have to be vigilantes. we see that even right now as we see vigilantes showing up at polling sites to kind of monitor polling sites and the judiciary having to step in and saying you can't do this, but they're trying to pass laws to protect people's ability to use weapons, to kill, to enforce their vision of america by force. that is a big issue.

and this latest case just kind of fits neatly into it, but we have to -- we have to as a society pull back and say there's something much bigger happening here. they see a future where they feel like they need to have the legal right to have a kind of vigilante civilian war against the country itself. >> and i mean, just to put a finer point on it, let me read somebody who is one of the more reasonable voices on the right, david french, who himself has talked openly about facing threats from the far, far right. but he wrote this. how passive should we be when unstable men act out in public, especially when the police are nowhere to be found? it's a failure of the rule of law that these questions come up so frequently, and this failure places passengers under serious pressure. it puts them in tense situations where the proper course of action isn't clear. action and inaction have their

risks. what if penny had done nothing? would everyone have emerged unscathed? we can't know for certain and a lack of certainty creates the conditions for violence. thomas, there's been no reporting that this man did anything other than yell and make a lot of noise and make people uncomfortable. there is no reporting that he laid a hand on anyone, that he touched anyone, that he actually physically harmed anyone. yet, let me play what this guy steven crowder had to say about him. >> you start going crazy in a subway car and attack people for the umpteenth time, we don't know if he was attacking there, but we know he attacked people before. you forfeit your right to live. when you're forced to save your life or the life of a loved one, you forfeit your right to live.

>> none of those -- first, i wonder if he feels that same way about men who beat their wives. i doubt that he does. just going to put that point on it, given who that is, but also, he knows nothing of the circumstances of this. that circumstance, thomas, that he described does not exist in the facts of this case. he just has decided that just like in the old lynching era, in the early 20th century and late 19th century he can from a distance decide who has the right to live and die. that's lynching talk. >> i think this is exactly how this kind of reaction ties into the broader political conflict, because it is indicative of a vision for society in which some people, white men in particular, have the right to defend their place, their status, their comfort. they talk a lot about comfort and certainty. america is built on a social order that gives white men specifically the power to use whatever form of violence they deem necessary to quote/unquote

defend themselves against all threat from others. real and perceived. this order is predicated on an expansive idea of what constitutes a threat. black people, for instance, are seen aserently threatening. there's not much of a line between what makes people uncomfortable and what is dangerous. it's the prerogative of conservative white christians to dominate the public square, to lash out against whoever and whatever challenges their dominant status, or dares to make them uncomfortable. the right wants to preserve that order. i i believe in a nutshell, the question at the heart of the political conflict today is whether or not that kind of order should be upheld. that is the position of the right, or whether or not -- or if it should be transcended. that's the position of everyone who wants to make that push towards a truly multiracial, pluralistic democratary. >> what you so eloquently

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this weekend, the reawakened america tour headed to trump's doral hotel in miami. what is reawaken america, you ask? well, it's a kristo fascist tour brought to you by michael flynn, trump's first brief national security adviser whom he fired and later was convicted of lying to the fbi about his contacts with russian spies. currently, flynn is barnstorming the country spewing some of the most vile and grotesque lies about covid, the 2020 election, and democrats. the events are christian revival meets qanon swap meet meets political rally. here is just a smattering of the kind of stuff that they like to talk about. >> as most of you guys know, i have been exposing pizza gate since 2016. >> i got on american idol and i went far, went to the end of hollywood week, and you know, i started hanging out more and getting more experiences with how sick these people were in

hollywood. these people are drinking the blood of children. >> who would have thought that a president would have to win not once, not twice, but three times in order to save our country. >> two neonazis who have promoted pro-hitler propaganda and claimed hitler was actually fighting the same people, were originally scheduled to speak at the event. they were disinvited once their attendance was noted by our own rachel maddow. flynn launched the tour with an oklahoma entrepreneur a few months after the january 6th insurrection. attendees and speakers still insist against all evidence and dozens of court rulings that donald trump rightfully won in 2020. flynn who urged trump to impose martial law after the election called the twice impeached former president from the stage. >> i will say, general flynn is so general, so man, he took abuse like nobody could have handled, and he came out bigger, better, stronger than ever

before. we love him. he's a leader, and you just stay wealthy and healthy and well. and everything. i want you to have great lives, and general, you just have to stay healthy because we're bringing you back. we're going to bring you back. >> joining me now is david jolly, msnbc political analyst and former republican congressman who is no longer affiliated with the party, and ben collins. ben, i want to start with you. this was a cavalcade of right wing stars and also trump members, eric trump, lara trump, kash patel, devin nunes. talk a little bit about the flynn event, as we show a video of him hanging out with vladimir putin in 2015. what is his reach in terms of the kind of online qanon world at this point? >> yeah, flynn is the best in the world at taking these fringe

movements of the far right and sanitizing them just a tiny bit and moving them forward, getting all these people organized. he organized all these qanon people to run for office back in the day. and then he moved on to the crt panic in 2021 where he told every one of those people interested in crt to band together and start protesting schools and running for school boards. he has this phrase that says local action has national impact. which means to him, you have to really get down in the dirt, go to a school board and get on the school board and work your way up. that was pinned to the side of the biggest qanon forum for months, for years, because they trust him, they think he's secretly part of the big plan. he'll never say pizza gate is real, but the people who has around him always do. those are the people who will say it out and out, but he maintains this veneer of i don't know what these people are talking about, i was just trying to put these people together.

that's what makes him such a good fringe organizer. it brings thome people to donald trump directly but he doesn't have to say any of it himself. >> and david, what donald trump is once again collecting around him are these fringe qanon types, extremists, and also the far right racist corner of the world that are all sorpt of organizing. this is the same weekend this happened that neonazis were going to hang out with trump at doral. the patriot front as they call themselves, they like masks now when they like to march, marched in washington. they think masks are okay. marching around in their khakis, charlottesville style. that happened this weekend, david. your thoughts. >> it's interesting because the conspiracy theory constituency has an organic destabilizing force on our politics, but so does the very adjacent white christian nationalism, white supremacy constituency. that's where you're seeing the party give aid and comfort to

each of those. it was noteworthy to see the strong reaction from the right. i know in your previous segment to joe biden calling out the white supremacy as the greatest domestic terror threat. it was donald trump's department of homeland security that first put that in a report and testified to that before congress. i would say we make a mistake of thinking of white supremacy only for its violent acts. we see it in our politics as well. i said recently that donald trump sold white nationalism to the working man. ron desantis is selling it to the country club type. when you eliminate dei and suggest there can be no recognition of systemic racism and gender discrimination in american history and how that leads to our place in society, when you say you're not allowed to do that under law, that's just a softer version of white nationalism and white supremacy where you have just rounded off the edges to make it more pallet nl to the country club set. >> and no holocaust, you're not

allowed to learn about the holocaust apparently in florida schools if you in any way try to talk about the present conditions of anti-semitism in relation to it. they're cutting off the connection between history and the present. let me just give you guys a taste of how fox did respond to what biden said. let's play biden first and then the fox response. >> it's never really over. on the best days, enough of us have the guts and the hearts to stand up for the best in us, to choose love over hate, unity over disunity, progress over retreat. to stand up against the poison of white supremacy as i did in my inaugural address to single out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland, is white supremacy. >> he understands the only way he can win is to convince some

pretty dumb college kids add that university if they believe him that it's a disservice. if they believe this country is full of white supremacists and that's our number one threat, but look, you saw in 2020, pete, during those riots. a lot of people could be convinced that this is not -- this is a racist country. >> that's being taught at that university. >> yes. >> and universities across america. so that statement is not surprising to the ears of those kids or to the ears of most college kids across america. >> david, i just want to put back up the patriot front marching across washington. no racist in the country, and "washington post," jack teixeira, had unpublished videos and chat logs in which he talked about a violent struggle against a liege nld of perceived adversaries including blacks, jews, and transgender people who would make life intolerable for the kind of person teixeira believed to be, a white

christian man. no racism in america says the angry fox crowd. >> look, this is critical, you. joe biden was amplifying a department of homeland security finding that was made under donald trump and donald trump tried to kill for political reasons. he did not want to recognize the potential violence that comes from white supremacy in the united states. we can keep foreign adversaries at bay, but we have a hard time with these cells rooted in white supremacy. here's the political translation, when a republican says they're coming for your way of life, for your place, for your privilege, what they're saying is they're coming for your whiteness, and they're bringing you diversity that is not welcome. that is the tell. that is the tell and that is the danger. >> and then there are also the conspiracy theorists. the paul gosar aide who is a white nationalist activist and then the conspiracy theory crowd. talk about the reporting you found on the man who attacked gerry connolly's office and staffers. >> this is a man who believed in

a particularly ridiculous conspiracy theory that he was being tracked by the cia and he was being wrongfully imprisoned in the fourth demention is what he wrote, in a lawsuit against the cia last year. totally wild stuff. you know, and on the internet this is a community called gang stalking. they think they're being tracked and tortured all day long by like secret weapons. that by itself has always existed. there have always been crazy people who believe crazy people stuff. but now when there's a political party who is saying actually, yeah, the cia is doing weird stuff all the time, who knows what the end is, it could target you, that's when it gets really dangerous. >> david jolly, ben collins, thank you both. >> still ahead, remember in 2019 when john durham began an investigation that was supposed to deliver bombshells about the origins of the trump russia investigation. that report is finally out and the only thing missing are the bombshells. we'll be right back.

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>> any minute now, yes. few names make them salivate more at fox or on the right than john durham, one of the highest profile people left in the doj from the trump administration after being appointed special counsel by bill barr. his task, investigate the investigators who produced the mueller report. it's been a four-year effort to undermine the report, which established that the russians and the trump campaign pursued a relationship of mutual benefit during the 2016 election. as well as a long string of evidence that while in office, trump tried to obstruct justice. durham made just two high profile accusations and in both cases they ended in swift hue mailiating acquittals. in a third case, durham obtained the conviction of an fbi lawyer for what a federal judge deemed a mere inappropriate shortcut in a warrant application that resulted in probation and community service. well, today, durham finally

released his long awaited report, some 300 pages long, to save you time, i'll give you the cliff notes version. he reiterates his argument that the fbi treated trump unfairly and acted hastily in opening the counterinvestigation into his 2016 campaign. as nbc news reports, his central conclusions are contradicted lie a 2019 report by the justice department's internal watchple dog which found while the fbi made a series of mistakes the decision to open the trump russia probe was justified as a matter of law and policy and was untainted by any evidence of political bias, oh, and i should also add nowhere in the report does durham recommend any new charges against anyone. joining me is peter strzok, former fbi counterintelligence agent. durham, beside being a leave behind of the trump administration, is a good pal of william barr. they traveled abroad together, sipping scotch together, pressing british and italian

officials for evidence of the criminality behind the report. what do you make of the seemingly rather bland conclusions? >> it's interesting you mention it because nowhere in the report are those foreign junkets mentioned. but look, this is a predictable sad ending to an investigation that never should have taken place. shortly after he was announced in 2019, he went on the record as a prosecutor making a rare public statement that he disagreed with ig horowitz's conclusion that the investigation was appropriately launched and then he spent the next three to four years with a cognitive bias trying to build a case that somehow it was. we saw the results today, and the results are clearly he didn't come up with anything. what i make of it at the end of the day, i look at his record of two failed prosecutions and one plea that michael horowitz presented to him on a platter, and then i compare that to the record of special counsel mueller who convicted paul manafort and rick gates and mike

flynn and roger stone and michael cohen and indicted dozens of russians, and if you want to compare which one of these had substance and meat behind the allegations, it's absolutely clear. robert mueller did. >> i think it's clear, they also name check you. durham name checked you. they said our investigation gathered evidence that showed a number of those closest to the investigation believed that the standard arguably had not been met, even strzok, that is you, who drafted and approved the opening ec, said there's nothing to this but we have to run it to ground. his view would seem to dockate the opening at the most a preliminary investigation. did you in fact oppose opening the mueller investigation? >> well, you know, no, i didn't. in fact, john durham did not interview me except in a narrow scope before i went into the grand jury related to the investigation, so had he interviewed me, there would have been a wide variety of things i would have said. first and foremost, the initial

allegation was extraordinarily serious. it was potentially a threat to the national security of the united states, and it absolutely merited opening a full investigation. and the ig found it was proper and in accordance with doj and fbi regulations and finally after years of independent investigation, found there was no testimonial or documentary evidence that anybody acted with bias or inappropriately. so this was worth opening. i agreed with opening it. i wrote the opening ec. it absolutely should have been opened and the proof of that again is look at all those people who were found guilty in the course of special counsel mueller's investigation. >> and what do you make of the fact the ever thissy jim jordan apparently would like to bring john durham before congress to let him repeat this failure publicly on television? >> well, i think based on what i have seen out of jim jordan's committee, this is yet another disaster in the making. he's fortunate he has a very

well balanced and stocked democratic representation on that committee that i anticipate will ask a number of very interesting questions of john durham, specifically what he did find when he went to italy, whether in fact the italians, as "the new york times" reported, presented he and attorney general barr evidence of criminal behavior by donald trump that he himself investigated. where is that in the report? doesn't appear. these are questions unanswered should jim jordan bring him in front of congress, it's going to be an interesting session for both sides of the aisle. >> when i think about the fact william barr got the job by writing a memo sucking up to donald trump and promising essentially to get rid of the russia probe, then he comes in, hires this guy, and then this guy has spent all of these years on this, would you characterize that as, i don't know, the weaponization of government? >> oh, without a doubt, joy. look, the government in particular doj, has an independent inspector general that looks at allegations of miskuth. they have prosecutors in

particular u.s. attorneys that go out and investigate violations of law. if they find it, doj policy says they prosecute it. if they don't, they don't say anything. what we have here is john durham, u.s. attorney, taking a role traditionally reserved for criminal prosecutions and essentially writing a four-year editorial for what he and bill barr thought donald trump wanted to hear. >> well stated. peter strzok, i can add no more. thank you. coming up, north carolina governor roy cooper vetoes new abortion restrictions, but a democrat's shocking betrayal means the government can override it at any time. governor cooper joins me next. whenever heartburn strikes, get fast relief with tums. its time to love food back. ♪tum, tum tum tum, tums♪ ♪

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still enact the ban because of what one state lawmaker did back on april 3rd. trisha clockm, who ran and won as a pro-choice democrat, switched parties giving the republicans a veto-proof supermajority. she voted for the 12-week ban despite co-sponsoring a bill to codify abortion protections into state law earlier this same year. and joining me now is north carolina governor roy cooper. governor cooper, thank you for being here. i watched your press conference or your event over the weekend at which you were cheered by doctors standing with you and women for vetoing this legislation. you have called out three names, state representative john bradford who said he would not seek additional restrictions, i believe he's a republican, state representative ted davis who did not vote on the bill last week and said last year the law should stay at 20 week weeks and the state representative cotham, who on may 3rd, 2022, she said

we need leaders who will be unwavering and unapologetic in their support of abortion rights. she said i will fight to codify roe and the strong right to choose. now she's switched sides. do you think any of those three will join you in upholding your veto? >> we certainly hope so, joy. all it takes is one. republicans have a supermajority by one vote in the house and one vote in the senate, and we need one republican in either chamber. these were promises made to their constituents that they would protect women's reproductive freedom, that they would keep the law as it is right now, and here we have a bill that's been dressed up as a 12-week ban, and they call it reasonable. when in actuality, it puts restrictions on clinics, it puts obstacles in front of women, and it's going to be very difficult

for them to be able to get care and in fact, this legislation will operate as an effective ban on abortions for many women, particularly those who are working in job, who have children, who have a hard time getting to the doctor. there are only a few clinics in north carolina that provide this service, so there's going to be a lot of travel involved. three in-person appearances for a patient in order to get reproductive care, clearly, that is medically unnecessary. the doctors across the board say that it is. it is simply a way to ban abortion. and make no mistake, if these legislators vote to override this veto, they are votingin noe breaking their promise to their constituents. >> it's all the more egregious because florida has now passed a six-week ban. meaning the solid south in terms of how far people would have to leave the whole region

in order to get abortion is pretty egregious. have you had a conversation with representative cotham, who a lot of people would argue betrayed the people who voted for her, particularly the women who voted for her. have you had a face-to-face conversation with her about whether she will uphold the promise she made to her constituents to uphold the right to govern their own bodies? >> i talked with her about this and other issues facing the general assembly the session. she was on our side on most issues. she was elected in a very blue district. what i've told her is, i hope you can stand up to your new party like you just stood up to your own party. one of the things she claimed what she wanted more freedom of thought. however, in this situation, the political bosses, republican bosses are holding their votes, they know they need every single republican in order to overturn this veto.

we are hoping that either she or one of these other republicans will step forward and do the right thing here. you know, i'm sure they've said it before. we just don't need politicians in the exam room with women and their doctors. that is something we are seeing here, the way they have prescribed to this, the burdens they put on a number of these clinics. planned parenthood says it's going to be difficult to almost impossible for them to operate in north carolina. you almost mentioned the southeast. we have become an access point in the southeast. they're waiting list at these clinics with these additional burdens that they have put on women, doctors, and clinics, that is why this is going to operate as an effective band. they put a ten-week ban on medication abortion, which is what most women use. this is a wolf in sheep's clothing here. it doesn't sound that great, but they've tried to make it

sound like a reasonable compromise. it's really a disguise for a bad bill that is going to be a disaster for north carolina. >> please keep us updated on how this is going. we will be watching north carolina, north carolina governor roy cooper, thank you very much, appreciate your time this evening. coming up, the infuriating hypocrisy of america's deadly gun culture. we'll be right back. rightac bk. rol my asthma felt anything but normal. ♪ ♪ enough was enough. i talked to an asthma specialist and found out my severe asthma is driven by eosinophils, a type of asthma nucala can help control. now, fewer asthma attacks and less oral steroids that's my nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing.

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members of congress, like tennessee's andy boggles, or colorado's lauren boebert to post happy birthday jesus christmas photos with them in their kids brandishing guns? how about virginia lieutenant governor, a shall not be infringed post featuring mass shooter's favorite weapons, the ar-15. is that civilized? was it civilized when boebert ended a video ad directed at then speaker nancy pelosi with a gunshot? like a cause place asked nation. or when marjorie taylor greene vowed to blow away socialist democrats agenda with a high powered rifle. the basketball player is bad, but all that is fine? make that make sense. this perverse warship of guns for politicians or anyone would be condemned in a normal, healthy society. what about when that is saturated with guns and gun massacres? so many massacres that many americans are left feeling numb,

just wondering if they are next. over the weekend, citizens in buffalo, new york, remember the victims of the racist attack at a supermarket one year ago, when a white supremacist gunned down ten shoppers. in a new interview, former president barack obama, as he so often does, struck at the heart of america's intractable gun problem. >> it has become a proxy for arguments about our culture wars. urban versus rural, race is always an element in these issues, issues of -- >> class. >> of class. education and so forth. instead of talking about it in a very pragmatic way, we end up really arguing about identity and emotion and all kinds of stuff that doesn't have to do with keeping our children safe. >> and that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts now. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in.