instagram. you can watch highlights from today's show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchel picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," a critical showdown at the white house this afternoon. speaker mccarthy and congressional leaders back behind closed doors with president biden after staffs worked through the weekend trying to find middle ground. can they reach a compromise before the government defaults in just 16 days? >> let me be clear. if congress does not address the debt limit, there are no good options the treasury or the government can use to save cata >> our secretary said june 1st. we only have so many days left. we didn't want to be here. i don't think we're in a good place. i know we are not. this hour, new details on

another act of violence targeting a member of congress. two people in virginia, in democrat jerry connolly's district office, are attacked by a man with a metal baseball bat. >> this is a gentleman with a long history of mental illness. he has been engaged in bizarre behavior in the past, including violent. he decided today for whatever reason to come to us and inflict more of the same. a trump justice department special prosecutor investigating the fbi over the russia investigation for bias issues. his report after four years. not recommending any indictments. i will speak to andrew weismann about the results. mike pence and florida

governor ron desantis making big moves ahead of expected announcements to take on donald trump. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. this afternoon, the second big showdown between president biden and house speaker mccarthy over the debt ceiling. a critical moment says the treasury secretary, as the president is about to leave for a g7 summit in japan and a trip to australia after that, with the speaker criticizing the president for leaving the country without an agreement. >> all i know is we got 16 more days to go. i don't think i would spend eight days out of the country. i think the country wants an american president focused on solving american problems. >> nbc's senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell joins me now. there's big questions over how much is actually going to be accomplished today at this meeting, just as potential work requirements for federal aid programs to the disadvantaged

become a new flashpoint. >> reporter: there's little about the substance of what's happening behind the scenes that has bubbled to the surface. one of the things that has come forward is what you mentioned. republicans wanting work requirements to be tied to some federal aid. president biden talked about the fact that he has in the past, under certain conditions, voted for that kind of a requirement and the idea being that getting a federal benefit, having work requirements can be good for the long-term benefit of the recipients of that. there's debate about that. but the president is saying when it comes to health care, that is a line in the sand for him. speaker mccarthy is talking about the fact he believes these requirements are important. he gave us a sense of where he thinks things stand. >> what work requirements do, help people get a job.

it helps people move forward. the public wants it. both parties want it. the idea that they want to put us into a default because they will not work on that is ludicrous to me. >> reporter: the speaker has talked about wanting to utilize unspent covid funds as part of a negotiation related to the debt ceiling. most of the work has been going on by staff. today it's key because we will have the president meeting with the speaker again. new to this meet, the vice president will be in attendance. that may be not only to bring her into the discussion, but because as you pointed out, the president is due to take part in a g7 summit in japan, leaving tomorrow. then going to new guinea, the first time a sitting president would visit that pacific island, and to australia for another summit of the quad nations, which is really about allies and how they are positioning with concerns about china. these are big, bold, important

meetings that have long been on the calendar. speaker mccarthy may not want the president to leave the country, but as the white house says, he can be president wherever he is and will get daily briefings on any of the ongoing negotiations and discussions about debt ceiling while the president is away. at this point, the trip is still on. >> the trip is on. is there a chance he might shorten it? any hints he might skip australia? >> reporter: the white house is planning to go as scheduled. when you think about australia, that's hosting a summit, if you don't have the u.s. there, that is a real setback to what they are planning. could they make adjustments in the schedule? that could be reasonable. the white house is not saying that publically. could the president come back early, something like that? we have seen that before when these intersections happen between domestic issues and international requirements for a president. at the same time, if he were back here, would it produce a

result? would it just alienate allies? all of those things need to be measured. there's a political cost to the president for being outside the country and also a benefit for doing the job. we will be watching that closely. >> you will, kelly. thanks so very much. joining us now is florida republican congressman byron donalds, a member of the house republican steering committee. speaker mccarthy said there's no deal without work requirements for people on food programs and other relief programs. is that also your bottom line? >> that and in conjunction with everything else the house passed, that's my bottom line. look, here is the key situation. everybody has known the debt ceiling was going to expire sometime in june or july. it's not been a secret. while house republicans have gone through the process of examining our spend, examining

other solutions, we crafted a policy in the house of representatives. during that time period, not quite sure what the president or chuck schumer were doing. it's unfortunate that we are at this position right now. >> if it turns out that the speaker can only avoid a default with an agreement that can get some democratic votes to pass, that could cost him his speakership according to the freedom caucus. >> that's a very loaded question. if anybody is driving us to default, it's joe biden. the simple reason is, he hasn't really done anything. he released his budget a month late, by the way. it was a month late. it was a $7 trillion budget when we only raise about 4.2 to $4.5 trillion in taxes every year. he has not done anything else. if you are the leader of the free world, if you are the chief executive of our country, shouldn't you have come together with a proposal at some point? he has not done that. it's not an issue of kevin mccarthy and what he hasn't done. it's really an issue of joe

biden and what he has not done. >> we are where we are. apparently, over the weekend there was some give. they are not talking about it publically for obvious reasons. there were some cuts, for instance, turning back the covid relief funds, making some other trims. have you heard anything behind the scenes that leads you to think that there possibly be a compromise? would you go along with anything such as what you are hearing from your fellow members and from the speaker? >> listen, i have heard a little bit about unspent covid money. the american people need to understand, unspent covid money is about $50 billion, maybe $40 billion at this point. there was obligated covid money that did not need to go out. that has half a trillion dollars. the president, because he decided to end the pandemic on may 11th, basically a year after the pandemic was really over, just so that money could go out the door. that was reckless and disheartening.

in terms of any structural agreements, none of that has happened. there's stuff that both sides are saying, yeah, we agree on that. that's really small stuff. you are talking about anywhere from a $1.5 trillion raise in our national debt or higher, because i think joe biden wants more. and if you are going to do that, we need to tighten the screws financially here on capitol hill. >> why do republicans with democratic support, in fact, vote for at least two debt relief raises under president trump? >> a couple things. one, i wasn't a member of congress at the time. i'm not sure what the dynamics were on capitol hill. two, my recollection is that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer negotiated with donald trump well in advance. it was never really an issue. let's make sure i bring up point two clearly. donald trump and nancy pelosi negotiated over this long in advance so there wasn't this brinksmanship we are seeing. what's happening and it's

indicative of the lack of leadership from the president is that issues are ignored until they hit a crisis point. joe biden has known about this. he could have negotiated it. i will add, joe biden could have raised the debt ceiling was nancy pelosi was speaker of the house six months ago. >> there were no spending cuts in those agreements. the republicans went along with it without any strings tied to it. >> you also gotta remember, our national debt wasn't also $31.5 trillion at the time. our actual -- our spending trajectory was lower than right now under joe biden. and frankly, even the last year of president trump because of the response to covid-19. we spent a lot of money on capitol hill. a lot of money went out to states and localities. now that it's over, it's time to get back to pre-covid spending levels. that's simple stuff that house republicans are bringing to the conversation. >> i could say, what about getting back to pre-trump tax

cut spending levels? it was not just covid. it was the giant tax cut under president trump that republicans pushed through. there's a lot of debt that was accumulated. the debt that we are talking about is not the debt from last year. it's the debt that goes back to the founding of our country. that's how many years of debt has been accumulated in the ceiling that has to be raised. it's not last year's spending or the years' before. >> a couple of things on that point. number one, the trump tax cuts actually helped us raise more revenue than we ever have in the history of our country. cbo scored the trump tax cuts as a decrease in federal revenue. the opposite has happened. federal revenue is higher than cbo predicted. that's point number one. on to the actual debt. the $31.5 trillion that we have obligated, that's out in the treasury markets, that's

actually the debt and borrowing of our country throughout its entire existence. raising the national debt now, what that allows the federal government to do is to continue its spending on all the various agencies going forward. what my colleagues in the house are saying is, listen, we know we're going to have to borrow money. we know we will spend money. let's reduce the spending speed, the velocity, the expansion back to pre-covid levels. it's really simple stuff. the last thing i will say is, if you take barack obama's last budget in 2016, our spending levels are in line with obama's last budget from 2016. something i'm sure joe biden supported when he was vice president of the united states. >> i think we could have a longer debate on another time at another time about economics and whether the trump tax cuts were funded. let me ask you about presidential politics.

you may have heard governor desantis referring to a culture of losing inside your party. that's an indirect reference to donald trump. indirect attack on the candidate that you support for 2024. what is your reaction to what ron desantis has been saying about donald trump? >> what i have been clear on, whether it's president trump or governor desantis is that primaries are -- they get intense. primaries are messy. everybody is trying to find a way to get voters to be on their side in the election process. i anticipate more of this is going to continue. i think one of the things that's important to talk about if we talk about his comment about a culture of losing, let's be clear. it's now been heavily documented, mr. brennon, he just testified that the hunter biden laptop letter was pure politics. it had no basis in intelligence. antony blinken, who is secretary of state, he organized that

letter for pure politics so that joe biden had a talking point to deal with when he was debating president trump. something like that coming out of our intelligence community demonstrates that we have people who are embedded in various parts of our government who have interfered with elections, not just 2020, but in the past. if you talk about the republican presidential primary process, it will take care of itself. elections are tough. but we will get through that. >> okay. congressman byron donalds, we appreciate you coming on. it's a good conversation. let's continue it another time. >> thank you. office attack. the suspect involved in the assault on a virginia democratic congressman's office, refusing to appear in a court case. stay with us. ourt case. stay with us you're looking pleased with yourself. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon.

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new details about the brutal rampage inside congressman jerry connolly's district office and the baseball bat wielding suspect who demanded to see the congressman, then attacked two staffers. one was an intern on her first day at work. ryan nobles joins me. thanks for sitting in yesterday. i appreciated that. >> no problem. >> capitol police say the threats against members are up 400% in six years. the suspect refusing to appear at an arraignment hearing. the judge arraigned him in a video conference, despite his refusal. what is going on on this as they try to get a court-appointed lawyer to represent this man? >> that's right. he was scheduled to appear at an arraignment this morning. it ended up being delayed. but ultimately, the suspect in

this case ultimately just did not appear. the judge chose to arraign him in abstentia. . he is accused of earlier in the day approaching a woman sitting in a car, asking if she was white, smashing her window with that metal bat that he used -- that he is accused of using in same incident at the congressman's office and was seen chasing her through a neighborhood on surveillance video. obviously, a scary moment. this is an individual who has had a history of run-ins with the police, much of which could be the result of a mental health problem. we caught up with the congressman. he talked at length about how he was concerned about this incident and how vulnerable his district office is. it's a listen. >> i was really mobbed on the floor by republicans and

democrats who related to what happened to me today. we don't have security. we don't have that kind of security we have up here in the capitol at the district level. >> mccarthy seems to understand that. his office putting out a statement saying that, speaker mccarthy has made it clear his expectation that politics must be separated from security and has empowered the house sergeant at arms to work with the u.s. capitol police to protect all members of congress. this is not an easy job. 535 members scattered across the country, 24-hour security would be a monumentally expensive task and one capitol police doesn't have an easy solution for. >> it's a terrible reminder after what happened to paul pelosi and all the way back to gaby giffords in her district office years ago. thank you very much, ryan. it's terrifying. the long-running trump justice department investigation into the fbi's trump russia

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durham filed his report claiming the fbi opened its probe based on, quote, raw and uncorroborated information. durham was appointed by bill barr to investigate what became the mueller probe. what's notable is what the durham report did not find. no evidence of political bias in the fbi's key decisions and no corruption. durham's conclusion directly counters a 2019 ig report that said while the fbi did make mistakes, it was justified, concluding the fbi did so based on evidence, not political motivation. the man at the center of it all, donald trump, saying the durham report proves the fbi was out to get him. joining me now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general council who was a senior member of the mueller probe. andrew, the fbi says it has corrected the flaws in what it did in launching a full investigation of donald trump after that inspector general report in 2019. what new have we learned from the durham report?

how unusual is it to spend six years -- excuse me, four years, $6 million and not recommend any indictments? >> not recommending any indictments, there's nothing -- there's no there there. that's actually the responsible thing to do. the question i have is, why it took so long. the actual investigation took half the amount of time in terms of what the fbi did and then the mueller investigation was half the amount of time that was taken by john durham. in terms of what he found, there really is nothing new in this report. there's a lot of rehashing of the two trials that he lost where i think it was really poor form for him to basically say, i disagree with the finding of 24

jurors. he wasn't able to convince a single juror that he was correct. he rehashing those two cases. you are right that he does, as the ig did, say the fbi internal practices could be better. notably, andrea, he does not say that it was improper for the fbi to open the investigation. he says it should have been opened -- the term is, as a preliminary investigation, not a full investigation. that is really weak tea, because the ig said it was fine to open as a full investigation. they didn't have to open it as a preliminary investigation. under either one, preliminary or full, the fbi could do exactly what it, in fact, did. i really find this to be a lot of money and a lot of time with not a lot of results. >> the special council is

supposed to be independent. how does he explain going to italy with bill barr as part of the investigation and having frequent contact with the attorney general? >> andrea, that is an excellent question. the reason for appointing a special counsel is because the attorney general makes a determination that it would be inappropriate for the justice department to have hands on activity and there should be deference to a special counsel like mueller, like durham. not just going to italy, but also having scotch in his office with this special counsel and discussing the case. that really is antithetical to the reason. it's not addressed by the

special counsel report. >> andrew, one other quick point. you referenced the fact that he did have two prosecutions which he lost. at the same time, he did this over six years. he did come up with a rather extraordinary praise for the current attorney general, merrick garland, for not interfering with him. correct? >> yes. he does say in the introduction, he does say merrick garland was true to his word in the confirmation hearing where merrick garland said he would let john durham act independently. even with all of that, there still are no finding of any vast left wing conspiracy that donald trump and bill barr had said was going to be the result.

you are totally right. >> i know you deal with the law, not politics. but this is going to be an issue in 2024. donald trump is heralding the report as complete vindication. we will have to deal with more fact checking on it. andrew weissmann, thanks for starting us off with that. a move ripped from a television plot, there's a new campaign announced today from the cia to recruit disaffected russians in sensitive intelligence posts to become cia moles. the video posted on social media apps and confirmed by our people in moscow, widely read in russia, those apps, shows the cia is offering russians a secure way to share state secrets, promising to protect the tipster's safety. it shows fictional russian officials making the decision to contact the cia saying we succumb to lies but we know our reality.

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victims and possible leads that investigators are following? >> reporter: what we know of three who were killed in the shooting on monday is that they were three women in their 70s. according to a former state representative, one of those women leaves behind five children. we know, as you pointed out, six people were wounded, two police officers. we are told the officers are in stable condition. we haven't been told much about the condition of the others. what we can tell you in terms of the leads investigators are following is not much. they have been very tight-lipped about their investigation. they did tell us that this person, this suspect, was 18 years old. that he was randomly shooting throughout the neighborhood. that he had three different types of weapons. one they believe was an ar-style weapon. he was killed within five minutes of the time police got the call and they put down the shooter. it is part of an american tragedy. there have been 225 mass

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are you concerned about people using ai to spread misinformation? does it need regulation? >> i think it's important to understand what ai is. it's a mathematical model that basically amplifies human created input. that means that it's a tool, not a creature. it does tasks, not jobs. my concern is if it gets into the wrong hands, into putin's hands, iran's hands, that's the biggest challenge. second, what if it's amplifying in a very, very big way misinformation? those are places we need regulation. >> isn't it inevitable that as it develops, between us, china, other major technology countries, it's going to get in the wrong hands? >> it could. here is the big challenge that we need to as americans weigh. on the one hand, you want some of the software to be open

source. you don't just want microsoft, google and openai being the only players in the united states. on the other hand, if it's open source, it can get into the wrong hands. i have more confidence in google, microsoft and openai being responsible stewards. we have to weigh the tradeoff between protecting our national security and allowing new startups to enter this field. >> we have seen congress stumble at previous hearings involving high tech. what is your confidence that congress knows how to regulate this? should it be up to the administration, whatever administration? should it come from intelligence or commerce sectors? what do you say to that? >> i don't think congress has the ability to get out into the details. look, the reality is, this is being regulated right now. but by smart engineers at

microsoft, google and openai. these hearings are largely theatrical. the people making decisions are at these companies. i would rather see we pass legislation to get technology experts as well as ethicists, add a commission maybe at the fcc who can regulate it. there's no way congress has the technical competence to do the regulation. these technologists are making the guardrails right now. >> i want to turn to the debt limit talks today. the president certainly hinted at one of the things that he might be prepared to compromise in, which is work requirements for federal aid programs for food assistance, medicaid benefits. is that a non-starter for democrats? democrats like yourself. >> it's a non-starter for me. i remember peter edelman

resigned over this. the studies are so clear that work requirements don't make people work more. what it does is deprive folks who need the help of food. people who are on the street. people who are homeless. people who are disabled. it's cruel, especially as we see the slowing down of the economy. i'm hopeful the president will stick to what he said, that we pay our debts. then we can negotiate on the budget. we should cap tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. why don't we have a cap on that? that will reduce the deficit. >> thanks very much. >> thank you. ready to run. with big olympianmoney moves, h republican hopefuls dealing with the elephant in the room? that's next. g with the elephant in the room that's next.

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several republican hopefuls are getting close to making their campaigns official.

allies of mike pence launching a super pac today to take on donald trump for the nomination. it is a campaign they say will reintroduce pence as, quote, his own man, despite his reluctance to criticize donald trump. and ron desantis is escalating his culture wars, signing a ban on diversity and inclusion programs at florida's public colleges into law on monday. he also slammed president biden after a judge blocked administration from releasing migrants into the country to avoid overcrowding at border facilities. >> florida is kicking the rear end of the biden administration in court with respect to this border issue. we have got injunctions on them doing mass releases. >> joining me now, former governor and republican presidential candidate john kasich, former democratic congressman donna edwards and politico white house couldn't

eugene daniels. so, governor, governor desant is trying to outtrump trump on the culture wars. in the bill he signed, it does not interfere with any federal mandates on the colleges, it is just things that are discretionary to the states. so, in any case -- >> well, i mean -- >> it does -- >> he thinks -- come on. it would be a mini trump. look, he did very well in getting re-elected in florida. and for some reason he's pivoted into these culture wars thinking that by doing this, that somehow he's going to take stuff from trump. the problem is in the process of that, he's also losing people who would -- who would look for a more normal centrist based person. the ceo of citadel, a big desantis guy, is backing off now. so, to me, his successful strategy should be to tell them

all the things he did in florida. how he managed the hurricane, which was a gold star for him. but instead he's getting into these culture wars. i just don't think that's the strategy or the path that he needs to take. in terms of mike pence, with mike pence, that's a question of he gets all the baggage of having worked with trump, but not any of the good stuff. he's got a long road ahead. >> and eugene, the governor yesterday also signed that bill on diversity and inclusion programs at public colleges including race and sexual identity. and we should note again, the bill does not prohibit programs under federal law. >> dei is better viewed as standing for discrimination, exclusion and indoctrination. some of these niche subjects like critical race theory, other types of dei-infused courses and majors florida's getting out of that game. if you want to do things like

gender ideology, go to berkeley, go to some of these other places. that's fine. >> the berkeley reference seems to be going back to the '60s, i think. eugene, is there a play for the evangelical vote by desantis, could it backfire? >> yes, and, right? this is him doing something that republicans have been doing for quite some time, using the fear of the other to gin up what has been seen as the trump base. that's one thing. but also like you said, the evangelical base, making sure those folks feel like he is protecting their way of life, talking about whether or not he's protecting that they feel the other is come and encroaching on their space. that isn't always true, but that's what the play is here. the governor said it is possible that there is a lane for someone outside of donald trump. but if you just do trump light,

why would voters who already have seen what trump says and does and don't seem to be running from him in the republican primary, seem to be further to him, why would they go with trump light when they can have donald trump? this is something all the candidates have to deal with. you had mike pence at the gridiron dinner behind closed doors saying things about donald trump that he wouldn't -- has not said in public. you have desantis in iowa kind of talking about the culture of loing that republicans have been dealing with for years now and not saying donald trump's name. they're trying to thread a needle that at this point governor kasich knows very well hasn't worked for republican candidates who face off against donald trump in primaries. >> and, big issue, democrats believe will be abortion. it is in the general election. governor desantis took a swipe at donald trump today over the former president's refusal to back florida's six-week ban.

and north carolina, we're expecting the legislature is going to override governor roy cooper's veto, he vetoed the 12-week ban on saturday. and it is expected to be overridden by the republican legislature according to yamiche alcindor, our colleague covering that. the governor was on "morning joe" earlier pleading with republicans. >> have the courage to stand up to the republican leadership. they only have a one-vote super majority in the house and a one-vote super majority in the senate and all we need is one republican to stand up in either chamber to stop this bad ban in north carolina. >> and, donna, when you look at the numbers here, the majority of americans are opposed to blanket abortion bans. so is this going to backfire against the republican nominee if their position is for something that is almost a ban in some -- in many of these states? >> well, it is going to do as it

has done, which is to continue to backfire against republicans. i don't understand this at all. republican candidates are not creating a lane for themselves that is designed both in a primary election and general election to appeal even to independents. the issue of abortion along with these culture wars is against where the majority of the country are. you look whether it is in florida or north carolina or across the country, people support abortion rights. and so, i just am not really sure whether this even creates space within the republican party for people who are running to the far right on these issues. it seems to me that democrats are probably salivating at the idea of going into a general election on the issue of abortion rights, on these culture wars and book bans, and things that republican -- where republicans are far afield from

where the general public is. so i don't really see what the endgame is here, but let the republicans fight it out among themselves all the way to the right and they will have no ability to appeal to independent voters in a general election. >> governor kasich, just play devil's advocate here, because we heard white house officials privately saying in reaction to donald trump's town hall meeting last week that the abortion issue is the thing that really struck them most and they really are looking forward to a general election against donald trump. is this is a case of be careful what you wished for, he showed himself to be an energetic candidate and able to say what he wanted to say, and where would -- >> well, you know -- >> the fact checking -- >> what's interesting, andrea, i was sort of shocked at reading that some of the biden advisers are saying that they don't want him to debate donald trump in the fall if trump should be the nominee.

they're afraid that trump is skillful. he comes at you, big, you know. those kinds of things. and that contrast is something that i think is concerning the biden people, that's what some things have leaked out. so, look, i mean, biden is not in good shape. his approval rating is not good. there is going to be a real focus on whether you're voting for biden or voting for harris. these -- democrats have their problems. i just think that for the republicans, you know, it always gets down to the economics. it gets down to how do you feel about your security, economic security, personal safety, all those kind of things, and, you know, that's where they ought to be, but i think biden is vulnerable. i think he will beat trump, but i've got to tell you, this is -- i know there are a lot of democrat operatives that are very, very concerned. >> john kasich, john and donna edwards and eugene daniels, thank you to all of you.

that wraps it up for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. imagine you're inside your home with your child and someone randomly opens fire on your house with an ar-15, shooting through the walls. it happened to a mom in new mexico. her terrifying story coming up, along with chilling new 911 calls released from that mall attack in texas. they are among the latest victims on the seemingly endless list of americans who have come face to face with gun violence. plus, as the clock ticks down, the stakes go up. president biden ready to sit down with speaker mccarthy again today, trying to keep the u.s. economy from default. but the stock market may already be feeling the heat. it is