that wraps it up for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. imagine you're inside your home with your child and someone randomly opens fire on your house with an ar-15, shooting through the walls. it happened to a mom in new mexico. her terrifying story coming up, along with chilling new 911 calls released from that mall attack in texas. they are among the latest victims on the seemingly endless list of americans who have come face to face with gun violence. plus, as the clock ticks down, the stakes go up. president biden ready to sit down with speaker mccarthy again today, trying to keep the u.s. economy from default. but the stock market may already be feeling the heat. it is down this afternoon.

are investors starting to act on their doubts about a deal? and campaign endorsements and super pacs, they're great. but do they matter if you can't throw a punch? that's the question hanging over ron desantis and mike pence as they try to figure out how to take on donald trump. but we start with new developments surrounding a pair of mass shootings in texas and new mexico, carried out nine days and nearly a thousand miles apart, but sharing a critical heart breaking detail. both targeting people doing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary turning what should have been a normal day into a nightmare. in new mexico, three people are dead, along with a teenage suspect, after police say he opened fire on a residential street yesterday. apparently just shooting at random. it was the 225th mass shooting of the year in this country. roughly one every 15 hours. and in just about one hour in texas, we're expecting an update on surviving victims of the shooting at an outlet mall.

it comes after the city released some harrowing new 911 calls revealing the chaos, fear and panic that erupted after a gunman murdered eight people, including a 3-year-old and two elementary schoolchildren, second and fourth graders. we should warn you, these calls may be difficult to hear. >> please, please, send all the units you have. >> sir, are you shot? >> there is a mass shooting. >> are you shot? >> caller, are you injured? do you need a paramedic? >> help, please. i have my mom and my kids. >> what store are they in? what store are they in? >> they're in bath and body wash. >> how many of them are there? >> i don't know. my mom has my kids. >> okay. so when you say they have hostages, they're holding them signed the store? >> yes. >> 911, are you calling about

the shooting? go ahead and stay where you're at right now. is there anybody in the building that you know of that has a gun? stay where you're at until the police officers say it is time to clear out. >> nbc's morgan chesky is covering this story out of texas for us. morgan, what are we expecting in the next hour after hearing those harrowing calls? >> good afternoon. we're going to hear from one of those individuals who was struck when that gunman opened fire at those alan premium outlets on a busy saturday. his name is irvin walker. he's the father of an adult daughter and he had just dropped off a friend at the mall in his vehicle when that gunman stepped out of their car and began firing indiscriminately. mr. walker was struck multiple times inside his car as he attempted to drive away.

he was one of the ten wounded, chris, when hundreds of rounds were unleashed in that popular shopping mall area. those ten people wounded, eight others killed, and he'll be sharing his story. we'll be hearing from the staff here at this mckinney, texas, hospital. the doctors and the nurses who train unfortunately for this scenario and had to deal with it firsthand when that 33-year-old gunman walked into this shopping area and sent hundreds of people running for cover as you heard in those 911 calls. i think an important note here, chris, in that we heard so many different accounts from these harrowing calls, one caller sharing she was afraid the gunman had taken hostages, just kind of adding to the confusion to authorities who were responding. authorities sharing meanwhile that at no point at least up until now they believe this gunman took any hostages as he made his way through this property. but there were so many different

accounts coming at the same time. it just really painted a picture of the chaos that took place as a result of one man with one rifle and a handgun that fortunately was immediately engaged by a police officer responding to an unrelated call who fatally shot him. chris? >> morgan chesky, thank you so much for that. i want to go now to nbc's erin mclaughlin who has more on the shooting in new mexico. what are police saying about what happened there? >> hey there, police described the scene as chaotic, saying an 18-year-old armed with three different weapons opened fire, seemingly at random homes and cars, including with an ar-style weapon. we spoke to one woman who was at home with her baby when she heard shots fired. some of them piercing her 1-year-old's bedroom. take a listen. >> it went from pop, pop, pop, to pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. and i freaked out because i knew then that it was gunshots and i just grabbed my daughter, we

barricaded in between the washer and the dryer. >> three people were killed in the attack. two police officers were among the injured, in stable condition in the hospital. the gunman was shot and killed by police within five minutes of officers arriving on scene. that according to authorities they are also saying that's critical with the mayor and governor saying it saved countless lives. this attack could have been so much worse. the identities and motive of the gunman have yet to be released. and the victims have yet to be named. a press conference is scheduled for later today and we hope to learn more then. meanwhile, democratic lawmakers in new mexico are calling for tougher measures to stop this kind of violence. back to you. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. we also have new details at this hour about a story we broke during this hour yesterday about that horrific attack at a virginia congressman's district office. the bat wielding suspect who struck two members of representative gerry connolly

has been identified. the u.s. capitol police say they don't yet know a motive. i want to bring in nbc's senior national political reporter sahel kapur and paul ryan and john boehner, brendan box. capitol police say the alleged suspect is a constituent in connolly's district. what else do we know about him, what else do we know about this attack? >> we know this attack took place in fairfax yesterday, shortly before 11:00 a.m. in broad daylight. as you point out, the suspect refused to appear for the arraignment via video conference from his jail. the judge arraigned him anyway on four different counts, three felonies and one misdemeanor, two of the charges relate to the connolly office incident. this is according to our nbc affiliate in the courtroom. two other charges involving previous incidents where he chased a woman and hit her windshield after making a racial

comment to her, the misdemeanor charge he faces is for a hate crime. this man, this 49-year-old suspect is being held without bond. he has a court appointment lawyer and he faces a preliminary hearing in july. of the two staff members of gerry connolly who was injured, one was an intern. connolly spoke about that. let's play what he had to say. >> one of the staffers who was injured, she's an intern and today was her first day. so imagine your first day in the office as it comes in with a baseball bat and beats you. you know, so, we got issues we're going to deal with, but i've got a strong and resilient staff, they're committed to their mission, and they're not going to be deterred by this kind of tragic incident by someone who is mentally ill. >> reporter: this revived questions about security for

members, security for their family, security for staff. speaker mccarthy, his office weighed in on this. put up a quote from his spokesman who said speaker mccarthy made clear his expectation to politics must be separated from security and has empowered the house sergeant at arms to work with u.s. capitol police to protect all members of congress as they deem necessary. members are permitted to secure their district offices at no additional cost to them. chris? >> sahel, thank you. brendan u.s. capital police chief says there is a 400% increase in the number of threats against members of congress in the last six years. we have another attack. it is shaking people on and off the hill. if you're kevin mccarthy, and you served under two other speakers, who do you go to, who do you talk to, who do you get assurances from, so that you can give assurances to your staff? talk about what it must be like right now inside the office of the speaker and frankly any of the leadership in congress.

>> yeah. this is a front of mind issue for basically everybody on the hill and this has changed. it wasn't always this way. when i first got to the hill, i don't know, 15, 16 years ago, you didn't think about these things as much anymore. it is these vulnerable district staff that you really need to think about. in the capitol, we have police everywhere, but your average district office is just a storefront in a strip mall where anybody can walk in. the reality is you need to be thinking about these things, need to have protocols. i think it is appropriate that speaker mccarthy is making resources available to harden these offices. but at some point it is just sad that that's the necessary step. every person who works on the hill, i think it is a noble thing to do. i think working on capitol hill is a great investment in public service. but it comes with unfortunately a lot of grief from constituents and abuse. there is no person who worked on the hill who hasn't had somebody

go across the line and face verbal abuse that they encountered. now it is getting a little more serious. it has gotten a lot more serious. we had some tragic events that happened all over the place. we don't know the motive in this case. but whether this case is related to politics or not, there is enough of this going on that it speaks to how much our politics have been degraded, how dangerous they have become and it is on all of us. it is on people and politics, but it is on regular people. the regular person who comes up and makes threats against, a 22-year-old staffer, it happens every single day and all of us need to stop and think about how seriously, you know, the consequences of our actions and the way we all want our politics to be better and start with ourselves. because it is a really scary situation that a lot of people are facing right now and we need to do better. >> we don't really have any more time, but i do want to ask you this. nobody is getting rich working as a staffer. particularly in a district

office and it can be tough. i've seen it, i've seen constituents come in, they have a problem. they're upset, they're angry. so you're dealing with that. how do you get the best and the brightest to want to do this? it is public service. how do you get them to want to do this if they feel like it is not a safe environment? >> you're right. you don't do it by -- you don't go to the hill or district office for the pay. you do it for wanting to serve your country in whatever way you can. there are things you can do which is increasing pay. that is something we have been seeing a lot. we need to make it a rewarding place. more rewarding place to work and i think that comes back again to what the viewers at home are interacting with their congressman and that can make a big difference. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. up next, the high stakes meeting at the white house with a deadline fast approaching and no clear fix in sight. the president is heading overseas. can the outlines of an agreement

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just keeps gettin' better. today with potential economic catastrophe on the line, a high stakes meeting is scheduled at the white house. with pressure mounting, president biden remains optimistic a deal can get done. but there doesn't even appear to be agreement on exactly where negotiations stand. and speaker mccarthy told reporters this morning that any potential deal must include work requirements for public assistance programs. that's a position the white house and progressives reject. jonathan lemire is politico's white house bureau chief and host of msnbc's "way too early," brandon buck is back with us. jonathan, are there any real signs that we can point to of progress at the staff level in those discussions over the last week? is it more likely that talks are going to continue when the president travels abroad?

where are we? >> well, we'll know a lot more in a few hours, chris. that meeting between the president and congressional leaders scheduled for 3:00 in the building behind me. both sides suggest that, yes, some progress was made on the staff level in recent days. they don't want to oversell it. no major breakthroughs. that wouldn't happen until the principles are back in the room. let's recall, the last time, it was pretty contentious and didn't go all that well. there isn't real hope of a deal being struck today. i think at best that the wish is that there are at least some signs of progress made here. that deadline rapidly approaching. treasury secretary yellen reaffirmed yesterday that it could be june 1st when the nation hits the debt ceiling. the president is scheduled to leave tomorrow for japan. but aides have suggested that there is some -- they have some contingency plans in the works here depending on what happens with talks today. they're operating under the plan the president will leave

tomorrow. it is possible sources tell me that that could slide a day or so before he heads to the g-7 in hiroshima. it is also possible he will head to the g-7, but have to curtail the back half of his trip, meant to be to australia and papua new guinea if a deal has not been done. it is clear that barring something borderline miraculous today, and that meeting, the president is going to be consumed with domestic matters even while abroad if he's able to make the trip. >> in your experience, is there anything that moves the needle besides the threat of doom? nbc news had a headline, they framed the conversation this way, as debt default looms, america yawns. is doesn't seem as though the american public is super engaged in this. maybe it is a situation where if wall street starts to get really nervous, something will happen. how do you see this playing out? >> yeah, i don't blame anybody. we have seen this movie before. lots of sendoffs and we always

seem to avoid a catastrophe. i'm actually relatively optimistic about where we are at this point. there is going to be a lot of posturing still. but the fact they have been having consistent staff level meetings, there is something to even talk about tomorrow among the principles is all a good sign. that said, this is going to blow up. this is going to blow up. at least once or twice more. you can be assured there is not a deal until the very last minute. kevin mccarthy talked about the need to have a deal by this weekend. that's not going to happen. nobody wants to shake hands on anything until the very last minute because both of their own sides want to be able to make the argument that they got everything they could out of this. but to this point, kevin mccarthy is in a pretty good position. he has, despite the president saying he's not going to negotiate about this debt limit increase, he's negotiating about debt limit increase. they call it something else, they can say there are separate issues, they are having the conversations that kevin mccarthy always wanted. the fact they're in a room is a

win. the fact that joe biden is going to be gone gives mccarthy political leverage to say, look, you're not going to hear, like, i can press you a little more on this. they're moving in a good direction. these are all the things you need to have happen to get a deal but there is going to be more. wall street pressure will add to that. this is going to get messier before it gets better. we're actually in a pretty decent spot given how close we are. >> jonathan, you report on -- i'm going to call it a little mini drama, you wrote about biden's negotiating strategy creating a problem among the base. in this case, what is their beef and is it affecting the negotiations? could it have an impact? >> the progressives that we have spoken to are expressing some anxiety the president signaled some willingness to talk about

cutting back assistance programs where they offer assistance to the poor, like food stamps or work requirements that we -- you spoke about a moment ago. these are things that the left really opposes. and many were stunned and rather worried the president casually floated over the weekend while he was away in delaware that this may be on the table now. the white house backed off that a little bit and said, no, no, these are things we're going to protect. it is part of the negotiations here. and the white house is trying to define these two things as separate. but those talks all are happening at the same time among the same people. so there is certainly talks being made there. but i think to the point here that even those who are optimistic that a deal gets done agree with what brendan said. it will not get done today. it won't get done in the coming days. perhaps the president will have to cut his trip short to get back. there is a sense this is a deadline town and that's what's going to happen. the concern will be if the market starts to respond differently. right now, pretty blase as you

say. if the deadline approaches without a deal, that could push things to a faster conclusion. >> it is down and the analysis is that the debt is part of it. but 213 out of 33,000 is not considered necessarily a huge reaction yet. there is one more interesting thing that is in politico i with a want to ask you about, they say moderate democrats assured mccarthy if he makes a deal and members of his own party get tricked off and try to take his gavel, democrats have the votes and they will stop them from taking power away from him. does that help at all? is that realistic? what do you make of that report? >> i think it is a real thing. this is ultimately what it is going to come down to. there is going to be a deal. it is probably going to be a deal that upsets conservatives. and you're probably going to have some conservatives who are going to threaten kevin mccarthy's job. now, remember, a single member can bring up a motion to kick

out the speaker of the house and remove him from his position and that hangs over the speaker's head, hung over john boehner's head, paul ryan's head and now over kevin mccarthy's head. what the democrats are saying is don't worry about that. work with us, get a deal, we won't let that happen to you. that could save his job. it could be a situation where democrats say we're not -- we think this is bad for the institution, we are not going to let a small handful of loud members of the republican conference destroy the institution this way. we're going to back you, kevin. that's fine. but ultimately as speaker of the house, you can't have your job owed to the minority and that may sound silly, but you need to have all of your own members on your own side. if you have a job because of democrats, you're basically a dead man walking at that point anyway. so, it could avoid a historic vote kicking him out, but that's still a very bad situation that kevin mccarthy will need to try

to avoid with a deal that keeps some of those threats at bay. >> jonathan lemire, always great to have you on the program. thank you. brendan, you're going to stick around. up next, don versus ron. new polling on the two republican presidential front-runners and a new indicator today that there may be some cracks in the political ground under the former president. plus, we're talking to voters in a florida swing county about an election that is seen as a key indicator if democrats can still win in an increasingly red florida. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. (cecily) you're looking pleased with yourself. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon. (cecily) so you got an awesome network... (seth) and when i switched, i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. not bragging. (cecily) you're bragging. (neighbor) oh, he's bragging. (seth) who, me? never. oh, excuse me. hello, your royal highness, sir... (cecily) okay, that's a brag. (seth) hey, mom. i gotta call you back. (vo) visit your verizon store during our spring savings event

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if there is one question that could define the republican race for president, it is will former president trump's legal problems reach a tipping point for voters? and if not, will his opponents, people like ron desantis or mike pence force the issue? so far the answer to both questions appears to be no. the newest reuters poll shows trump holding a massive lead, leading desantis 49% to 21% with everyone else in single digits. but there are signs that trump's opponents could be headed for better days. multiple new hampshire republicans who endorse trump in late april have flipped to back governor desantis. mike pence appears on the verge of launching a challenge to his former boss, aimed at returning the party to its pre-trump roots.

with each passing day, multiple headlines out of georgia, wisconsin, even the supreme court hammer home the reality that trump's legal drama and the voter exhaustion that goes with it isn't going away. nbc's dasha burns has new reporting on governor desantis, brendan buck is back with us. so, brendan, this is an opportunity and a challenge for trump's opponents. you don't want to alienate his base, but you want to tap into that voter exhaustion by presenting yourself as a viable alternative. how do you do that? >> well, the first thing is you got to decide who the alternative is. and there is going to be obviously a fight against donald trump. that poll shows that there is an openness to someone other than him. when you have ron desantis, mike pence, tim scott, nikki haley, all these other people who are getting in, that's going to have to sort itself out. as we experienced before, you divide all of these votes up, all it does is help donald trump. so, i think there is going to be

a little primary within the primary. they're going to sort that out relatively quickly. you'll need to come up with a two candidate race. ron desantis is in a much weaker position than before, but still the clear alternative at this point. he needs to reset the narrative that he is a flawed candidate. i think we saw he's got some real challenges he's going to have to work on. his aability to connect with people, his ability to handle nuanced delicate topics. he stumbled. but the fact that donald trump is still hovering around 50%, he hasn't completely taken this thing away, there is still an appetite for somebody else. ron desantis has another chance to reset this and show he is that person and clear out all the other people to get that one on one matchup he needs. but no one is going to hand it to him. that's very clear at this point. >> dasha, we saw ron desantis have a strong showing in iowa. the reviews were very good. he got a great reaction from the crowd. you have reporting from another key early state. tell us about that.

>> yeah, chris, that's right. reporting with my colleague john allen that the desantis team is rolling out 51 endorsements from new hampshire gop legislators. remember, in iowa, they went into that trip with 37 endorsements from state legislators there. republican legislators. this is part of their building that early ground game and building that momentum because, remember, those are two states that can make or break momentum for a presidential candidate and those legislators, those are the folks that are on the ground that really know their constituents. a lot of people have their state legislators phone number. these are people that are knocking on doors and so they're going to be critical for that infrastructure that they so badly need in those states, if they have any chance of going up against donald trump. the other key piece of this as you mentioned earlier, four of those endorsements, the never back down pac that is rolling

these out told us they have flipped from endorsing trump to endorsing desantis. we reached ought to all four of the individuals. we could not reach three of them. the one that we did reach told us that she is actually endorsing both. she is supporting both trump and desantis, which is quite an unusual way to endorse someone, not your typical endorsement there. but she says trump is great right now. she says desantis is the future this and is indicative of the tough position some of the lawmakers are in, chris, where they don't want to tick off either potential nominee for the republican party. this is also coming against the backdrop of our other big scoop from over the weekend that desantis is on the verge of an announcement. we know that his political staff moved into a new campaign office on monday which triggered certain campaign finance rules, that means they have 15 days from yesterday, from monday, to file paper work, which would be the first public acknowledgement

of him running and we also know that they will be hosting a donor gathering on may 25th in miami. the drip, drip of the ticking clock on an expected announcement very soon here, chris. >> we're also expecting announcement from potentially mike pence and "the new york times" is reporting that he wants to position himself, he sees the lane as a classical conservative. i want to read from that article. mr. pence is working to carve out space in the republican primary field by appealing to evangelicals, adopting a hard-line position and pushing back against republican efforts to police big business on ideological grounds. he has made no effort to channel the populist energies overtaking the republican party. the way "the new york times" puts it, brendan, pence wants to take them back to, quote, pre-trump roots.

super pac that he's got, interested to see what kind of ads they put out, but is there a lane there? >> yeah, i mean, it has taken people a long way to get there. there is a lane, for sure. but it is a pretty small lane at this point. there is lots of other people who are playing in that lane, nikki haley and tim scott, who want to return to more traditional republicans. i wish it was a more traditional republican party. it is not at this point. not only is he going to have to sell himself, he has to sell the idea this is no longer a populist party and that's a really tough sell. pence has a lot of things going for him. very high name i.d., infrastructure, he can raise money. i don't write him off at all. what he needs to do is take out ron desantis so he can be the one going head to head with donald trump. >> thank you both so much. still ahead it took four

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today a debate over the 306 page report resulting from the years long $6.5 million investigation of the fbi's probe into former president donald trump's campaign and russia. special counsel john durham slammed the fbi's handling of the probe, saying that certain aspects of it were deficient. but he didn't come up with any evidence that the investigation was a deep state conspiracy as trump had charged. and produced no high profile arrests or indictments. the fbi responded to the report by saying the missteps cited have already been addressed. ken dilanian is here to break it down. i'm joined by charles coleman. what are the headlines as you see them from this report and what are the changes the fbi says it made since this probe? >> you can make an argument that the biggest headline is what the property didn't find. john durham, after all, he's not

a government auditor. he was a prosecutor. he was investigating whether crimes had been committed by fbi agents or others in the course of this investigation. not only did he find no conspiracy, he found no crimes whatsoever. the only two minor cases he brought, he charged two individuals with lying to investigators, they were both acquitted by juries. the other case he made was he inherited from the department of justice inspector general one fbi lawyer pleaded guilty to falsifying some records for a surveillance application. and that really -- that case goes to the mistakes that the fbi did make. most of which were identified by the inspector general back in 2019. the fbi mishandled how it was dealing with applications for foreign intelligence surveillance and the fbi made some mistakes in how it handled that infamous dossier, which has been established to be mostly a fabrication or not able to be corroborated. and the fbi saying they overhauled the way they approached national security investigations entirely and the way they do these fisa warrants.

and there is a rule that the attorney general has to approve any criminal investigation into a national political campaign, so can't just be a lower level case to open up a case like this, which is what happened. big picture, no major criminal findings here despite years of trying and millions of dollars spent. >> so, no criminal findings, charles. when you read this, read it with a lawyerly lens, what did you see? >> ultimately, chris, what i see with this is someone who may have had somewhat of an ax to grind to try to point out how their perspective on this court wanted to sort of be pushed into the public court of opinion as ken has already talked about. the reason i say that is there are a number of different ways to look at the findings. there is the half full -- half full approach, which basically suggests that, you know, listen there weren't any crimes that were found, any major crimes, and then the half empty approach, which the report takes, which is to say the fbi made all these missteps, should

have gone and pursued this investigation, and i think that's really sort of the importance of how you interpret the report, that ultimately matters. i won't say that this individual, is completely apolitical or nonpartisan. i will say that it is important to consider the source. he is a bar appointee under trump and so while i'm not necessarily saying that that entirely influenced where he came from, with respect to his findings, i do think that it may have in some ways put his thumb on the scale. >> a very different view of it, not surprisingly, ken, from donald trump who is hailing this as a validation that the american public was scammed and that's just the start of his response to it. is there anything in the report that suggests that? >> no. in fact, donald trump says this investigation was going to uncover the crime of the century. things that were worse than watergate. not only did it not do that, as we just discussed, the other thing durham didn't find is evidence that the fbi acted out of political bias. he did accuse fbi agents of having what is called

confirmation bias, meaning they believed that there was an issue with trump. there was a lot of evidence trump was publicly appealing to russia as we all remember to help him -- to help find hillary clinton's emails. and what the report says is that the fbi was too credulous about evidence that supported that thesis, and wasn't skeptical enough. and i believe there is something to that, he makes the case in this report. that is a far cry from saying that the fbi was out to get trump for political reasons, durham never established that, there is no evidence of that. >> again, when you look at how people are reacting to this, donald trump sees it very differently, conservative websites, conservative media outlets read it very differently. do you worry then that this could trickle down? is there any chance this hampers the ability to investigate or prosecute cases that are predicated on the fbi's work? does it add to a general distrust? >> i think it is very harmful in that respect, something we need to be mindful of.

the reason you do investigations is because you want to find out whether something actually is substantively going on. you have to ask the questions and do the investigation, do the research to actually get the answers. if we're now being thwarted from being investigations, i can tell you that's not the type of thing that bodes well for actually stopping some of the things that we are attempting to avoid. and so ultimately though this is a matter of court of public opinion rather than code of law, you do have to consider the inherent pressures that will come not only from the public, but from the supporters of different subjects of investigators and investigations and also from the political parties who are also in support of the subjects of certain investigations and how that could potentially either, a, impact the actual investigation itself or, b, put people conducting the investigation in substantive danger. >> thank you so much. up next, a critical election day for one florida city after a red wave in 2022, are the blue

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shaq brewster is outside a polling location in jacksonville for us. i understand early voting has favored democrats but are you seeing anything to suggest that desantis is helping the republicans? >> reporter: that's been part of my conversations today with voters and officials. i spoke to both county party chairs here in jacksonville and they explained the dynamics for this race pretty similarly. that polling going into it is extremely close. well within the margin of error. there has been millions spent on this race. the republican raising and outspending the democrat in this county, but they also describe this as being a test for democrats. jacksonville is an area where democrats saw success. it's old republican stronghold but at a statewide level, they won in 2018. president biden won in 2020. but then came governor desantis and his re-election effort. he won this county by double

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there's a really interesting new post pandemic trend among american drivers. a lot of them are now hanging on to their vehicles for longer than ever before. here's sam brock. >> with demand for vehicles in overdrive, new data shows americans keeping their cars and smaller trucks for a record 12.5 years. while they're lasting longer, they're also more expensive. which is why south florida mechanic, nick osborne, still holding on to a 2007 suv. under normal circumstances, would you still be driving around in this? >> no way. >> the father of five swapping

out an engine for 500,000 miles for a one with a mere 100,000. do you feel safe driving this? >> no. not at all. i got my kids in it. but do i have a choice? no, i don't have a choice. >> it's the impact of years of pandemic fueled shortage, supply disruptions and heightened demand. the average used car payment is more than 560 bucks and for new vehicles, nearly 730. according to one group, that's up more than $250 a month compared to just five years ago. analysts say pricing, higher interest rates and greater reliability of newer cars all play a role. >> someone going into the market for the first time in a while, they're going to be shocked as to how high the prices are for new and used cars. >> a by product of this trend, auto repair shops are seeing way more customers. >> keeping the car. we've seen an average car going from anywhere to 80 to 90,000

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