our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get right to it. at this hour, former president trump is taking a victory lap after his pick in kentucky's republican gubernatorial primary rolled to an easy win last night, crushing the ron desantis-backed kelly kraft by 30 points, so what's next for daniel cameron and his bid to defeat the popular democrat, andy beshear. the family of a u.s. special forces soldier now confirming he was killed trying to help ukrainian fighters. but before he entered the war zone, he spoke to our own raf sanchez. nicholas maymer explaining in his own words why he went to ukraine. that's coming up. the first black woman to serve as u.s. attorney in massachusetts is stepping down amid allegations of ethical misconduct. the move is extremely rare and comes before the results of the

inspector general's investigation have even been released. and right now, arguments are set to begin in louisiana where the fate of a widely used abortion pill rests in the hands of three judges our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. yamiche alcindor is following the case in louisiana. yamiche, what can you tell us about what's happening today? >> starting just this hour, three conservative judges will be hearing oral arguments on whether mifepristone should remain available. each of these judges, we should put our names and faces up of people have a history of supporting restrictions on abortion, and each were nominated by republican presidents. as viewers may remember, a group of anti-abortion activists to get this pill off the market. they are arguing it is unsafe, and the fda should never have approved it when it did two decades ago. the justice department is arguing that taking the

medication off the market would cause great harm to women and the fda's approval of the pill and more recent actions allowing it to be mailed should remain in place. what's interesting here is that in the short term, access to the pill remains in place no matter what the court of appeal decides, keeping access to the pill in place until it rules, but the supreme court didn't actually immediately take up the case itself. so no matter how the appeals court rules, one of the sides will be appealing this to the supreme court to make the ultimate decision. the justices will decide wlornlt -- whether or not to hear the case. the only way the pill would be in jeopardy is if the biden administration loses in the fifth circuit court of appeals and the supreme court opts not to hear the appeal or if the supreme court rules in favor of anti-abortion activists. >> yamiche alcindor thank you very much for that. now to massachusetts where the u.s. district attorney has resigned from her post as she

faces a federal ethics investigation. nbc's ken dilanian has been following this for us. tell us about it. >> this is one of the biggest scandals involving a u.s. attorney, accusing rachel rollins of serious misconduct, including violating federal law by lying under oath and using her office for political purposes, the doj's inspector general said in a 155-page report that she used her position to help a candidate for district attorney by trying to plant a story that the justice department would be investigating the candidate's opponent for public corruption. the ig said she falsely testified about that episode under oath to federal investigators acknowledging her role after being confronted with text messages about it. the report also accuses her of violating ethics rules by accepting free tickets to a boston celtics game and accepting political

contributions, and disregarded ethics advice when she attended a democratic party fundraiser featuring jill biden. in a separate report, the doj 's office of special counsel concludes rollins violated the hatch act, and that report said that her actions rank among the most flagrant violations of the hatch act the office has ever investigated. in a statement, her lawyer did not address the alleged misconduct but said she would resign by friday because she understands her presence has become a distraction. >> ken dilanian, thank you. molly hunter is reporting from ukraine where a former u.s. forces soldier was killed in bakhmut. confirming the death of nicholas maymer. what do we know about him, and do we know much about the circumstances surrounding his

death? >> reporter: one of ten americans killed in ukraine, the situation takes time to confirm. we're having a hard time getting answers out of the people he was down in bakhmut with but officials in washington, d.c. his family has confirmed his death. we do not have official confirmation from the state department. this is a 20-year army veteran. he joined in 1996. he was from boise, idaho, and he was already retired. he was teaching english in poland at the time of the war, chris, and he came over in may 2022. he talks about this internal debate, and why he felt like he could do something. my colleague raf sanchez met him in february of this year. let's listen to his words directly. >> reporter: why did you come out to ukraine? >> i actually was already in europe for another job.

and i think in recent history, this is one of the most clear cut violations of human rights and national sovereignty that we've seen, and so i personally with my background, i knew i was compelled to come help. >> reporter: chris, nicholas is one of thousands of foreign fighters, not just americans but westerners all over the world who came and joined and linked up with ukrainian forces. they felt like they had something to contribute, when raf met him in february, he was training ukrainian civilians who were going to become soldiers, and raf asked, do you understand that you could be going to the east, that you could go to the front line, are you prepared for that, and he said absolutely of course he was. and of course our understanding is he did end up going to the front and dying in bakhmut, which, chris, is the fiercest fighting and the fiercest front line right now. >> sympathies to the family. molly hunter, thank you for

that. in kentucky, the governor's race has big implications for 2024. dasha burns is in lexington for us. it will be the trump backed daniel cameron, facing off against the democratic governor, andy beshear. >> that's exactly right. not just for kentucky. this is a race we have been watching nationally. it is an early bellwether for republicans about what wins out with voters, and how important is trump's endorsement. if you look at those numbers from last night, the landslide win that daniel cameron had, it would point to a pretty strong sign that the power of trump's endorsement remains significant here. now, in the last moments of the race on monday night, governor ron desantis endorsed one of his opponents, kelly kraft, who had been campaigning sort of in the style of trump but also in a bit of the style of desantis as she

has been leaning into culture war issues into woke ideologies that she was sort of campaigning against. and last night in his victory speech, daniel cameron had this to say. take a listen. >> of course a big thank you to president donald j. trump for his support and his endorsement of this campaign. let me just say, let me just say the trump culture of winning is alive and well in kentucky. >> reporter: now, that last bit there, the culture of winning, that is a little bit of a dig at governor desantis who has been in his recent speeches talking about a quote culture of losing in the republican party, not calling out trump by name, but subtly addressing some of the midterm loss that is trump saw last year. here's the question, trump endorsed candidates succeeding

in primaries, what does that mean, though, for the general election. will those trump ties be helpful or harmful when it comes to going up against governor beshear who has a lot of support in kentucky, who's seen the state through really tough times, seen the state through a pandemic, through natural disaster, through that tragic shooting recently where he has suffered a personal loss. he's become sort of a consoler in chief here in kentucky as well. so this is going to be a tough race for both the democrat and the republican, likely going to be an expensive one. it is going to be one to watch because it is going to be kind of a sign of things to come in 2023 for 2024, chris. >> dasha burns, thank you for that. president biden balancing an important foreign trip with a massive potential debt crisis back home. we're live in hiroshima at the site of the g7 summit in 60 seconds. site of the g7 summit in 60 seconds. pods handles the driving.

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right now president biden is in transit, and in the middle of a $31.4 trillion balancing act. working important foreign ties while trying to get the debt crisis settled from afar. he's currently on the way to japan for the g7 summit where he will meet with the leader of canada, france, germany, italy, japan and the uk. while back in washington, white house and congressional aides are keeping the pressure on as they negotiate over lifting the debt limit. nbc's mike memoli is in hiroshima, japan, ahead of the president's fit, and also with me, michael allen, former special assistant to the presidential of the national security counsel under george w. bush, current managing director at beacon strategies. good to see both of you. president biden has said this morning, he's confident a debt deal will get done. what are you hearing from inside the administration and the work that will be going on both there near the white house but also while the president is on the other side of the world?

>> well, chris, stop me as you've heard this before as white house officials have been repeating for more than a week. the president is president wherever he goes, and so he will even when he arrived here in japan later today, thursday. even when he arrived, he will continue to get briefed by his staff. clearly, the meeting that occurred between the president, the big four, was much better in terms of the tone afterwards than the meeting a week before was when we heard the president and speaker in a war of words afterwards. the most significant development in terms of the negotiations moving forward is both of the key players here, the president and speaker mccarthy have delegated and empowered negotiations to some of the most trusted lieutenants. the speaker staff, working at the other end of the table from luisa tyrell, the director of legislative affairs, and significantly as well, shalanda young, the director of the office of management and budget but somebody with deep

connections on capitol hill as a long-time staffer on the appropriations committee, and that's really what this is about. the president, though, interestingly, before he took off, as he tried to set a positive tone, continued to argue what they're negotiating about and what they're not negotiating about. let's take a listen to the president. >> this negotiation is about the outlines of what the budget will look like, not about whether or not we're going to, in fact, pay our debts. the leaders all agree we will not default. every leader has said that. >> reporter: the president clearly there trying to stick to a white house talking point that he's happy to have a negotiation with republicans in congress about spending, about our levels of debt, but he's not willing to have this conversation about holding the full faith and credit of the u.s. financial system hostage. two demands from republicans. as he insists the conversations are separate, the negotiations are happening in parallel. it's going to be interesting the

reception the president receives here in japan from the leader's of the world's economy, clearly the decision to cut the trip short is out of concern for what even the possibility of default as we get closer and closer to june 1st would mean to the global financial markets, not just the u.s. economy. one of the jobs the president is going to have is to reassure allies he's going to deliver a deal. >> let me about you about that decision. on one hand, the president is the president wherever he is. he can always be connected. on the other hand, he said i'm not going to go to papa new guinea or australia because i need to be back home. what do you make of that decision? >> well, it's an unfortunate collision between his obligations as head of state to advance our foreign interests and the obligations back home to advance the interests through the congress, but i really wish and believe that this could have been avoided. i wish they had set a deadline for today for which they would have at least set up a framework

for them to finish or at least for staff to finish in the coming days because we're missing important foreign affairs obligations to try and create a coalition to take on the chinese and to deter them from invading taiwan. this was a great opportunity to get together with the quad, india, which is going to be a massive part of any future coalition, and of course also to symbolize by virtue of a visit to papa new guinea, our commitment to many of the ocean states and the pacific. so i really hate that it's come to this. >> one of the things that the president was asked about before he left today was whether or not shortening his trip was a win for china. here's what he said. >> because we're still meeting. we still have four good ally .

>> no we're still meeting, obviously given that, is it at least, well, let me ask you to separate the two. one is, what is the real impact, the other is what about the politics of this, which is it allows republicans to say he's not paying enough attention to that part of the world. >> i concede, it would have been terrible politics to be blasted back home for being thousands of miles away, but honestly, it's just a missed opportunity. i don't know that it will ultimately be determinative of success or failure of our foreign policy, but it was going to be a nice move for the united states to be able to show up at these different locations in asia and demonstrate our commitment to the region. though, it's a missed opportunity and we should be disappointed that everything, these events came to a confluence like they did. >> michael allen, mike memoli,

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right now, republicans have a new idea to try to bypass a formal vote to expel one of their own. congressman george santos, who you might recall faces a

13-count criminal indictment. that vote was set to happen roughly the next 24 hours, but nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill. tell us what republicans are planning, and whether it could push off this vote and force members of congress to go on the record about whether or not to expel. >> that's a great point. speaker mccarthy and republicans are the ones who really control the floor here. even though that resolution, introduced by freshman democrat, robert garcia had procedural mechanics, the minority which democrats could force a vote on that resolution to expel george santos from congress. republicans are actually bringing up another vote before this one, which will nullify the second vote, the one that democrats want republicans to take here, and that is to push in matter to refer it to the house ethics committee. now, republicans, freshmen members of george santos's own

class agree with that move. remember, this is all about putting pressure on speaker mccarthy to act and expel george santos, something he said he would not do, and those republicans, i'm thinking of congressman mike lawler, a freshman republican from new york, calling for george santos to resign for many months now, he back that is move. he'll vote for that initial vote to refer this to the ethics committee. something democrats, including the ones leading the charge is simply not enough. here's robert garcia on "morning joe.". >> what he has done is very very serious, we are here to support truth, accountability, justice, and kevin mccarthy unfortunately has empowered the extreme fringe in his party, like george santos to take critical votes, classified briefings and he has no business in congress. i'm an immigrant to the country. when i took an oath of this country, it was an important moment. i believe in the constitution. george santos is the opposite of what we're trying to do, enough

to do the right thing. >> so mccarthy obviously has tiptoed around santos. he said he will not force him to resign from congress. he's going to wait for these outside investigations, including his indictment in new york to play out, but look, at the end of the day, it's about numbers for mccarthy, at the end of the day, santos did win a district in which biden won two years prior. that's another vote for mccarthy's very slim majority. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. >> despite everything, santos has already declared he is running for reelection, setting up a major battle in an already contentious 2024 election cycle. five people have said they plan to run, and just one district over from santos, sarah hughes has filed to run as a democrat, looking to unseat first term republican anthony despacito. joining me former chair of the dccc, that's the democratic congressional campaign committee, steve israel, now director of the cornell university institute of politics and global affairs at the brooks

school, basil michael, former chair of the new york state party is here with me, let me ask you about this stuff with george santos. from a political standpoint, does that make sense because even if and we know the republicans are going to primary him. they're going to put their money and attention behind somebody else. if he's still in office, in a swing district, doesn't that help the democrats? >> well, first of all, if you center the voter and the constituent, you get them out of office because they're not being represented by anyone that is effective for him in the halls of congress. 78% of the district wants him gone. the democrats are right to get him out. a democrat will win that seat regardless in my view, the question is do democrats just sit back and not react to what their constituents want, number

one, and number two, if this is going to be part of a larger strategy, then, yeah, you start that process right now. they can't just sit on their hands, they have a right to do what they're doing. >> we're 538 days out from election day, how much has gotten underway at the dccc at this point, where are they in the process? >> quite a lot. this is going to be one of the most exhilarating campaigns in recent here because of a convergence of circumstances. it could be just five new seats for the democrats that will flip the majority back to the house democrats and hakeem jeffries. number two, it's a presidential election. basil knows as well as anybody else, in a presidential election, the presidential candidate sets the environment and the congressional candidates run in that environment. if this is a positive environment for joe biden, then you can expect house democrats to go on offense. they will try and rack up as many victories as possible, taking out republicans. if it's not a good environment

for joe biden, and i think it will be a good environment for biden, if it's not, democrats have to go on defense, they have to protect their incumbents. it's too early now to make assumptions on the next 538 days, as you point out, chris, which means you have to do two things right now, as the environment settles. number one, recruit the best candidates you can field, the dccc has done just that, and number two, raise as much money as possible and the dccc has done that as well. >> yeah, because a bad candidate cannot be made up for with money, right? you have to have, steve, a good candidate. i mean, maybe there's an exception, but generally speaking. i should make a blanket statement there. having said that, is it harder, do you think, to recruit good people? we've seen members of congress leave because frankly they think in this atmosphere as divided as congress is, it's hard to get anything done, and it's

particularly hard to feel effective if you're a freshman, you know that. >> you know, well, true, i left congress in 2017 because of my own frustrations, but quite honestly, the dccc is having a banner recruiting year. and remember, in 2022, all of the pundits and prognosticators were saying the democrats were going to go down in flames. they kept it to a 5-vote margin. how do they do that? the dccc went out and recruited the best candidates and raised the resources necessary to keep them competitive into the november election, and they're repeating that this cycle. >> so let me take you back to new york, sarah hughes, lots of name recognition. she's a very personable person, and she has a lot of experience on camera. you hear about the democrats trying to recruit nba legends, dwayne wade and grant hill, trying to recruit rick scott. how much does name recognition

contribute? it's one factor, but how big of a factor can it be? >> name recognition reduces the amount of money you spend to build name recognition, which can be expensive. if you take sarah hughes on long island, i spoke to her earlier today, she's going to be a compelling candidate. she's raising a family in long island, trying to represent an area, if you consider long island represented by four republican men, making decisions about women in sports, making decisions about gun control, and she's trying to represent an area where mccarthy, tragedy hit her family in a mass shooting on the long island railroad. the incumbent voted against gun control, and i'm running against him so i can make a difference. she's trying to do something similar. you have the sister of the governor of michigan running in the hudson valley, so i think name recognition is important. also have compelling story, compelling narrative, strong message, those things actually get you to 41%.

the name recognition gets you to 49. the compelling story gets you to 51%. i think she's going to be great, and as steve said, we've got great candidates running throughout the state. it's going to be an exciting time. >> it's going to be one heck of a campaign cycle. >> sarah hughes is running in the primary. it will be crowded. >> former congressman steve israel, thank you very much, appreciate you guys. what the justice department is accusing one biden-appointed u.s. attorney of doing next. plus, a florida school district sued for pulling books off the shelves. why authors, publishers and parents are taking them to court next. publishers and parents are taking them to court next (seth) hi, cecily. i just switched my whole family to verizon. (cecily) oh, it's america's most reliable 5g network. (seth) and it's only $35 a line. (vo) save big during our spring savings event, and get the disney bundle with disney+, hulu, and espn+ included. all for just $35 a line. verizon when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis keeps flaring,

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so we're hearing for the first time from the head of the secret service about an intruder, simply walking into the home of jake sullivan, the national security adviser. i want to bring in nbc's monica alba at the white house for us. i know you have been working the story along with julia ainsley. what did you find out. >> reporter: we are getting new details here, specifically that this investigation is underway by secret service, and it really is being considered, quote, a human failure within the agency. the fact that a man was able to get into the home of national security adviser jake sullivan undetected and it was sullivan

himself who notified the secret service that somebody had been in his home and left the property, the fact that also here, it's unclear whether any alarm systems were allowed, whether doors were left unlocked, if that is the case, that one of the sources told us, essentially the blame is being placed on agents here potentially, and that is what is under review right now because he's supposed to have 24 hour security. the fact that all of this happened is frankly unacceptable in the words of one of the sources that we spoke with in terms of the security lapse, and overall, the secret service director herself is livid, we're told, with this situation. so they are currently evaluating whether there are going to be consequences for some of these agents. we should point out that mr. sullivan himself was completely unharmed. it was a brief encounter before the person left the home. there wasn't any kind of physical confrontation, and actually, just now, aboard air force one, on the way to japan,

where national security adviser jake sullivan is traveling along with the president, he was asked about this intruder and he said he didn't want to comment on the situation, as it is currently being reviewed, but did say that he has full faith and confidence in the secret service and the people whose job it is to protect him around the clock, chris. >> but again, sources close say that the secret service director is livid over the breach. monica alba, thank you for that. appreciate it. >> we're back with new developments in the murder of four idaho college students, a grand jury has indicted the man suspected of the killings, and nbc's steve patterson joins us with more details. steve, what's the latest details on this indictment. >> reporter: prosecutors deciding to impanel that grand jury, which means byan kohberger has been indicted on five additional charges. this means that the preliminary hearing which was scheduled to take place in late june, that is no longer happening.

that would accompany essentially what would have amounted to a mini trial where witnesses are called, where testimony is heard, where evidence is heard. that is no longer playing out in public. this is essentially moving to a closed door process, which means that none of the parties involved really have to worry about any rampant speculation, any media coverage, all of that now behind closed doors, and maybe the most essential thing, this also means witnesses who may have been scheduled to testify will no longer have to do that or be cross examined, protecting sanctity for surviving roommates we expected to be called to the stand, and this process may be further elongated. kohberger facing an arraignment hearing on monday where he's expected to enter a plea. those five charges remain and the next we'll hear is the monday court date. >> steve patterson, thank you for that. in florida, a lawsuit was

filed, the suit, filed by penguin random house authors, parents and a free speech group, alleges that the escambia county school district which is in florida's pan handle violated the first amendment by removing the books, mostly about minorities and lgbtq kids. antonia hilton is with me now. talk us through this lawsuit. >> the lawsuit was put together by pen america, they worked with penguin random house, a massive publisher, authors, and also parents representing their minors who still go to this school district. and who they say wanted access to books and other perspectives available to them in their public schools. they're launching this as a lawsuit focused on the first and 14th amendments, and they say what they are going to establish is that this school has been part of an ideological pattern, that we're seeing not just in this district but other districts this the state of florida and around the country in some cases, and that the

school district that has at times, not even followed their own policies to review books before taking them off the shelves. take a listen to a conversation with george m. johnson, one of the authors of the one of the most banned books in the country right now. >> when you remove these books, what you are telling students is that, one, you don't matter. your stories don't matter, and your existence doesn't matter. two, you are not allowing them to have the road map that they need specifically for the things that they are going to go through that the student who sits to the right of them and left of them may never experience. >> i reached out to the school board this morning. the school administration said they can't comment on ongoing litigation. i was able to talk to one of the school board members. a man named bill slayton. he was surprised, not because of the contents of the lawsuit, but this is not the only district in florida doing this right now, and they say they have been following the expectations of the state, of the desantis

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cathedral to pay respect to jason rivera and wilbert mora who were shot and killed during a domestic dispute between a mother and adult son. they were ambushed by the adult son who shot them multiple times before as you mentioned, that rookie officer who had been on the job for a few months responded getting the family to safety before shooting and killing the gunman himself. rivera and mora would later die of their injuries at just 22 and 27 years old, respectively. president biden today presenting those medals of valor to rivera's widow, and mora's mother, alongside detective suland this morning. he took a little extra time when he was delivering the medal to dominique rivera, the widow of jason rivera. she announced she is expecting

her and jason's baby this spring, so a welcomed hope in the wake of this tragedy. president biden, not only thanked the recipients of these medals, plus six more from across the country, he thanked their families who he said makes just as much of a sacrifice every day having their family members go out and face these dangers. take a listen to a bit of his speech. >> these are some of the most meaningful things i do as president. knowing you, meeting your families, looking into your eyes, seeing your courage gives me so much hope for the country. you represent, and this is not hyperbole, you represent the very best of us. you represent the best of who we are as americans, and god bless you all. >> reporter: president biden calling these jobs the hardest in america, vowing to continue supporting this community in any way he can. remember, chris, he's called for years for more funding for law

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a new report reveals the staggering toll of being black in america. in a 22-year span, there were 1.63 million excess deaths of black americans compared to white americans. that means more than 80 million years of black life lost, compared with the white population in just two decades. real lives are being lost, one of the study's authors, dr. herman taylor told nbc news, babies and mothers are dying. with. dr. taylor joins me, author of the study, and director of research at the morehouse school of medicine. we appreciate you being with us, doctor. these numbers are stark and disturbing. why is this the reality for black americans in spite of the fact that we've known this for a long time? >> thank you, chris, it's good to be with you, and you're absolutely right. these are staggering numbers, and they have been this way for

not just decades but perhaps centuries. there are differences in mortality for black and white individuals because they live under such different circumstances, and that is definitely true even today. we spent a lot of time talking about care and health care is critically important, and i want to really emphasize that. but so much of health and what determines health happens well before people come to see me or people appear in the emergency room or in an icu. it happens where we live, the environments that we face, the water quality that we have access to, the food quality, and the neighborhoods that we live in, are they acceptable and available -- are they acceptable

and available places to exercise and enjoy green space. all of these things matter. and some estimates are that 80% of health really depends on these social determinants of health, so the fact that the environment, that african americans often face, the stresses and strains of those environments are so vastly different, the traumas that the community has to endure are different and perhaps more intense too often. all of this compiles and comes together to produce staggeringly different health statistics. >> how has or has the pandemic played into this disparity? >> the pandemic played a large role in that the whole thing is when america coaches a cold, black america catches pneumonia.

covid was much worse. it was a cataclysm and it impacted the nation tremendously. it impacted the most vulnerable the most, the people who already had challenges with access, but also lived in conditions that helped with the spread of the disease but also impaired our ability to respond effectively. the options of working at home were far less, taking public transportation was often the option that people faced and the fact that black families have about a tenth of less of the wealth that white families in america have mean that black people had to go, you know, if you're living from paycheck to paycheck, which is all too often the case, you can't afford to have any behaviors that would reduce your employability. you've got to go in. if you have some reserve to

weather storms, you're less vulnerable. if you add these things together, and you put an out of control epidemic on top of that, you have, again, a setting for disaster. you can even see that in some of the natural disaster that occur. just for an example, the pictures from hurricane katrina, who were the people standing on those roofs being rescued. who were the people in most dire straits. it was the most vulnerable of society, and statistics show that even after those natural disaster, the slowest recovery and the greatest loss of wealth on the people who are already disadvantaged and already faced tremendous obstacles. >> such an important study, and i thank you so much for taking the time to be with us, dr. herman taylor, we really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> there's also a new associated press analysis that found that black victims of violent crimes are disproportionately denied government aid.

every state has a system for victims of crimes that provides reimbursements for expenses like lost wages or medical bills, funerals, but the associated press found disproportionately high denial rates for black people. in 19 out of the 23 states that were willing to provide detail racial data. and maryland has become the latest state to take action against gun violence amid the rise in mass shootings. yesterday, governor wes moore signed into law new expanded prohibitions on carrying a gun into certain public buildings like schools, government buildings, places that serve alcohol, among others. it also places new restrictions on who can get a gun permit and requires gun owners to keep their firearms unloaded and locked away to make them inaccessible to children under 18. in response, the national rifle association has filed a federal lawsuit against maryland claiming the legislation is unconstitutional and was passed in defiance of court rulings.

we'll keep an eye on that. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. on the ballot and in the courtroom, we have a slew of updates on access to abortion. first, mifepristone is back in the news. right now, justice department attorneys for the fta are arguing in front of the fifth circuit court of appeals in new orleans, laying out a case of why the fda approved abortion bill should remain on the market. what we know about the panel of judges we have to convince, we're not just watching louisiana, the republican super majority in north carolina voted to override the democratic governor's detail, making abortion