like schools, government buildings, places that serve alcohol, among others. it also places new restrictions on who can get a gun permit and requires gun owners to keep their firearms unloaded and locked away to make them inaccessible to children under 18. in response, the national rifle association has filed a federal lawsuit against maryland claiming the legislation is unconstitutional and was passed in defiance of court rulings. we'll keep an eye on that. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. on the ballot and in the courtroom, we have a slew of updates on access to abortion. first, mifepristone is back in the news. right now, justice department attorneys for the fta are

arguing in front of the fifth circuit court of appeals in new orleans, laying out a case of why the fda approved abortion bill should remain on the market. what we know about the panel of judges we have to convince, we're not just watching louisiana, the republican super majority in north carolina voted to override the democratic governor's detail, making abortion illegal after 12 weeks of pregnancy. governor cooper argues in practice, the law might act like a total ban. we are on the ground in rally with what happened right before and after that vote. in nebraska, republicans are revising their failed six-week abortion pill ban to -- i'm sorry, abortion bill ban to 12 weeks to remember the six-week ban was sunk by a single republican holdout. does his vote change to a yes for a 12-week ban? in south carolina, after three

republican women refused to sign on to a total ban, the party is now weighing a new option, banning abortion after a fetal heart beat is detected. typically it's six weeks. we've got eyes on montana where the republican governor signed a bill with most abortions at 15 weeks. those who violate that could be fined up to $50,000 and jailed for up to ten years. all of this made possible by the overturning of roe v. wade last year. something former president trump took credit for this morning, quote, without me, the pro life movement would have just kept losing. the question is who will be losing next. michael steele joins us in a moment on that but let us start with our reporters. joining me now is nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster who's outside the state legislative building and rally, and nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett. i want to begin with you on mifepristone. the arguments are being made right now in front of the fifth

circuit court of appeals three-judge panels, who are these judges? >> you have three republican judges, two appointed by donald trump, one from george w. bush, and let me just say, the arguments are bruising right now for the biden administration. they have been going just over an hour, and the judges appeared deeply skeptical of their arguments about why this drug should stay on the market, and they're really honing in on the idea of the doctors, the four doctors that are part of the advocates that have brought this case appear very clear that they believe they have standing and, that had been something of an issue and dispute. these are not doctors that actually want to prescribe the drug that's so hotly debated here, mifepristone. these are doctors that are vehemently opposed to the drug and say that somewhere down the line in the future, they could encounter someone that has taken that drug and could have bad side effects. that's not typically a ground for standing. something that the biden administration and this pill

manufacturer are trying to convince them of, and the judges seem, let's just say, hostile to their arguments. >> what arguments is doj making here? are they also talking about what could happen, the slippery slope? >> they didn't even get that far, close to sort of digging into the myriad and the status quo and the women that depend on this drug. they didn't get anywhere close to that. the judges are so far dug in on some of the declarations from doctors, the advocates, they didn't make much head way. >> does it seem clear to you that they're going to side with the doctors? >> obviously it's hard to predict how they'll rule. given their past rulings on abortion related restrictions, they have upheld them time and again. one of the judges has called abortion a moral tragedy in a past case. their feelings are clear, how they'll craft the decision is important because that will determine how it gets teed up in front of scotus which is exactly

where the case is going. >> it's going to the full fifth circuit. >> not necessarily, and we'll see, again, how exactly they craft their ruling. the supreme court, remember, they have put all of this on pause. last month this case went through a thousand different legal machinations, they put everything on pause, and we know this is coming back to us. and we will keep the pill on the market while the case goes through the regular appeals court process, and you'll come back to us. >> the stay is going to hold regardless of what the panel decides. let's talk about the other side of this, which is the rulings in state houses. we have been watching north carolina on this show for a few days now. and there was a lot of questions about whether the governor down there, governor cooper, who vetoed it and made an appeal to north carolinians to call their lawmakers, whether he could convince just one republican lawmaker to change their mind on this vote. specifically looking at a guy named ted davis who's down there, and also a woman named trisha cotham, who was a

democrat until april. after she was elected, she switched to the republican party. she's somebody who has argued passionately for access to abortion, specifically in the past, citing her own abortion. so shaq, bring us up to speed about what happened last night and the reaction from north carolinians? >> reporter: well, essentially last night republicans stuck together. they stuck together with their new super majority that you just explained and they were able to override the veto from the democratic governor here. what does that mean? well, starting july 1st, the window in which women who are seeking abortion in this state or plan to seek abortion at some time in the future will shrink from 20 weeks to 12 weeks. there are exceptions for rape and incest, that goes up to 20 weeks. and then for cases of what the bill calls and describes life limiting fetal anomaly, you have 24-week limit there. but, you know, this is something, as you mentioned, this is because of the new

republican super majority in the congress or in the state legislature, and it really only came about because of the flip of that legislature. it's something that republicans in the state are calling a compromise, but advocates and opponents are saying, no, it's not that simple. i want you to listen to a little bit of my conversation with the republican speaker of the house and the president of the local planned parenthood chapter. >> there were certainly a lot on my side of the aisle who felt like a six-week bill, like is being debated in south carolina and other states would be more appropriate, and of course there's some that wanted more weeks than 12, and so the compromise came down to 12 weeks, but also made sure that we have those exceptions in there as well. >> there are so many extra restrictions, packed on to this bill that make it really hard to get care before 12 weeks. so i would really push back strongly against that narrative that this is any sort of

compromise approach. >> some of those other restrictions include new paperwork, new regulations on abortion clinics that planned parenthood say may threaten the existence of abortion clinics in this state. it also expands the window, the 72-hour waiting period in which a woman seeking an abortion could get one. she has to now go to a doctor for an in-person appointment before that window starts. you have advocates saying, yeah, this may be 12 weeks on the surface but really clamps down on abortion throughout the state on all abortions throughout the state. you hear that rhetoric from republicans that when you compare north carolina now to other states including south carolina where they're currently debating a six-week ban, they're arguing that it's less onerous, less restrictive than other states in the region. >> they called it a commons compromise. he said what you're saying right there, the worry that the new rules are going to force a number of clinics to close, multiple in-person visits will make it impossible for some women to make those appointments

because of their lives and their schedules, and medicated abortion is banned at ten weeks, not twelve weeks in that state and most of the abortions are medicated abortions. shaq brewster, laura jarrett, thank you very much for joining us. joining me now is new jersey governor phil murphy. thank you so much for joining us, governor. i know that, you know, abortion is still legal in your state. you've enacted protections for abortion. i want to know what you make of, though, what's been happening across the country, all of these new and even more restrictive rules being put into law, even above what we're seeing in the polls, which is that the majority of people don't want these restrictions? >> katy, good to be with you. you're absolutely right. in new jersey, i signed a law a year and a half ago, which codified a woman's right to an abortion. and reproductive freedom more

broadly. prior to that as in many states, it was based on case law, and roe v. wade, we have the concern then that roe v. wade may get struck down, and sadly, we were right. i mean, we've gone into an era of government regulated pregnancies. that's what this is. it's absolutely shocking. so as a substantiative matter for women, their rights, their freedoms, this is a really dark period in our country. and that last comment that i think you made, this north carolina thing, i'm the chair of the democratic governor's association. we came in heavily to help roy who's an outstanding governor, but the notion of multiple visits for women who have multiple jobs invariably communities of color, the ten-week medicaid, it's incredibly offensive. it's not just taking rights and freedoms from women, it's also creating an us, a have and have not society. as a political matter, these

folks are playing with fire. if north carolina wasn't a battle ground state two weeks ago, next year, it is now. and folks had better be careful with what they wish for because -- and this is going to happen in places that i think will really surprise folks that will be in play politically, and this year and next and they've asked for it. >> let me ask you about this coalition of governors that you're a part of, i know you said that you're the head of the democratic governor's association. this is another coalition that 20 democratic governors are a part of, not all of the democratic governors out there are in this, including kentucky governor andy beshear. he's not part of the coalition. he's in a much more red state. can you explain what you guys are doing, what you're doing to ensure protections not just in these democratic-led states but also for women around the country who are potentially travel to go get an abortion.

>> yeah, it's a coalition of 20 governors, 20 states with like-minded values. we are -- listen, we're the democratic party. we are the big ten party. it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that not all of the governors are a part of it. but you're absolutely right. this is a statement about the values that we share, the policies that we support, the laws that we sign, and again increasingly, and i say this as an american with a very heavy heart, it's not just abortion but led by abortion, it's a patch quilt country, another aspect, while we haven't seen a huge up tick in new jersey, the rights and freedoms of women in new jersey are for those who reside in new jersey or happen to travel to new jersey, and that's a consistent theme with this coalition as well.

>> is there anything you can do as a governor if mifepristone gets struck down by the supreme court? >> oh, my lord. i listen to your reporters talk about some of the positions these judges in new orleans are taking. i mean, we've gone to the ceos of both walgreens and cvs to make sure that we have unencumbered access, we have considered a bulk acquisition, we have clearly joined in legal action as an amicus matter, everything is on the table and please, god, it doesn't come to that, but we will continue to fight it like heck. >> if you get a bulk, a bulk order of mifepristone, would you be then prescribing it out in defiance of the supreme court? >> to be determined. but when i say everything is on the table, katy, i mean that. i think when you've got -- this is going to cost -- this action,

generally, whether it's mifepristone or north carolina, south carolina, florida, by the way, at six weeks. my wife and i don't think we knew we were pregnant with any of our four kids at six weeks. so people need to understand that. this is going to cost people's lives. it's going to cost them health. it's also going to cost people's lives. women in particular, sadly. and so if that's what's at stake, we'll do whatever it takes to save lives. >> governor phil murphy of the great state of new jersey. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, katy. coming up next, are the wins changing, republicans in key places lost last night, is it abortions or culture wars or lies about the elections or is it all of the above. michael steele is with us next. and who will be in the room for debt negotiations and what is now on the table? also why the democratic u.s.

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mayor elect yemi is a businessman with zero political experience and no official party affiliation. joining me is former rnc chairman, and political analyst, michael steele. i wonder, when we're looking at these races if they're going to feel a little bit like the special election surrounding abortion did last year ahead of the 2022 midterms? >> they do a little bit. there's a little bit of that. i would take it out a little bit further and say that there are a lot more issues animating these conversations at the grass roots level. abortion certainly is a lead among them. you look at, for example, you know, how people are looking at the kinds of individuals who are running, what they're saying, not just about abortion but about other issues like guns. and, you know, this war on reading, and books. all of those narratives, katie, are playing an important part in

setting up what is going to be a volatile presidential cycle. >> so i'm not confused about why somebody -- here's how i'll put this. if abortion is not a political winner as it has proven not to be in multiple elections now, why are republican legislatures pushing further and further ahead with more restrictive policies, especially when they're getting the polling that we're all seeing that shows that it's just not popular, that voters don't agree with it. i know they have primaries but they also have general elections, and general elections are what either puts you into that seat or not into that seat. >> no one's lost their seat yet. no one's lost control because of this issue. that's going to be one of the tests going in to this next cycle, which is why, you know, i'm sitting here saying, i was listening to your conversation with the governor. and the reporters ahead of time, and the most honest take away is we are where we should have been 50 years ago, and this was what

some republicans argued back in 1973 about the abortion decision that this had not been fully vetted among the states. and now that that process is occurring, you're seeing this patch work, as you showed the map where it is banned, where it is restricted and where it is still legal, that's kind of the state of this issue in the country and the battlegrounds that we're seeing or the battle lines that we're seeing drawn right now, katy, is at that state level, and what does the country do? how does the country respond to that? how do individuals in texas and arkansas and missouri, versus north carolina, florida and arizona respond to what the republican-controlled legislatures are doing. number two, those legislatures think and in many cases do have super majorities, right? so they're putting their in place and they want to lock it in as hard as they can to make it much more difficult to undo

it later on. so that's another piece of this that democrats, i don't know if they're accounting for, in their strategy to rebuff this effort to ban abortion. >> what's it going to do for the national elections in 2024 to have donald trump come out and say, this is what i did. i'm responsible for the overturning of roe v. wade. it's something that i am proud of doing, which is essentially what he said on truth social today. i assume it's going to affect the presidential race. does it affect senate races? because the democrats have a really hard map in 2024. does it make the map a little less daunting for them? >> yes, it does, and i can tell you from some of the republicans i've talked to, that statement by trump was the eyes rolled, the heads hit the forehead because they recognized that he becomes the lightning rod, he, you know, donald trump says that because he wants it to be about him. he doesn't care about nor has

concern regarding or even understanding about the political fallout of making himself that lightning rod on this issue, but once that spark hit, it just shoots out, and it hits everybody else. so now you have cincinnati candidates, congressional candidates, gubernatorial candidates and all other types of candidates, including state races, state house races that will be in play this cycle that those candidates now are going to have to deal with this issue when they thought they really wouldn't have to. they could talk and pivot about on to the economy, and the question will come, right, that donald trump said that, you know, everything that's happening in the state regarding roe is because of him. do you agree? and there it starts. so, yeah, there's a lot of eye rolling right now because he's making it harder for republicans to do that heisman, you know, create some distance between them and the issue. that's not going to be the case, and if democrats have anything to say, and certainly groups, both pro life, because there are

some pro life groups that are not happy with the degree to which some of these laws are coming down, criminalizing wombs as some would put it. these organizations will also have something to say about this process. >> there are pro life lawmakers who are saying this is taking it way too far, nancy mace from south carolina, who we had on the show. thank you very much for joining us as always. >> all right. take care. coming up, what the boston u.s. attorney did that forced her to resign, and why the doj is getting involved. first up, though, who are they? president biden has a new negotiating team, what it tells us about debt talks. it tells us about debt talks. at pnc bank, you can find us in big cities and small towns across the us, where our focus is to always support the people who live and work there. because you call these communities home, and we do too. pnc bank. hey bud. wow. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here.

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morning. >> i'm confident that we'll get the agreement on the budget, that america will not default. we're going to come together because there's no alternative to do the right thing for the country. >> the only thing i'm more optimistic about, he finally agreed to something that every other time we have been able solve a problem has worked. the structure of negotiations. now we're along such a short time line it makes it almost harder. if there's one thing you know from me, i never give up. i have the grit, the perseverance, and we're going to get it done. >> joining me from hiroshima, japan, is kristen welker, and msnbc contributor, jake sherman, so the talk today, kristen, is that president biden and the democrats have been under estimating speaker mccarthy and his strength in this negotiation. has their position on the speaker changed? is that what resulted yesterday in the appointment of these two

negotiators? >> well, i think they're getting closer to the deadline, katy, and i think they are getting closer to a potential deal, so that's a key part of it. and look, president biden is traveling here to hiroshima as you know. expect him to be engaged in the final round of talks, and of course he did cut his trip short. he's skipping stops in papa new guinea and australia in order to get home to deal with this crisis. the fact that you have negotiators, one of the president's olds aides and allies, shlanda young, the omb director, someone who has a long history on capitol hill, luisa terrell, the legislative affairs director, the top point people who the president is expressing his red lines to where he wants these negotiations to go, and so that is why i think you are seeing this new potential phase.

it is significant, katy, the fact that you are seeing these three in the room, and you are hearing measured optimism, both from president biden and speaker mccarthy, and that is significant. but there's no deal yet, and of course time is running out. and you do have a lot of republicans criticizing the president for going overseas in the middle of this crisis at all, katy. >> why did it take so long to appoint negotiators? why only now, kristen? i think kristen lost our connection out there in japan. jake, let me ask you that. kevin mccarthy had been saying that, you know, he should have appointed these people earlier. do you have any idea why it took so long to get to this point? >> reporter: no, i don't. we've been covering up here, katy, for more than a decade these kinds of conversations, and they always include either the treasury secretary, the white house chief of staff, a senior economic adviser and

somebody that is -- somebody that has the president's proxy, and that is something that is both real and imagined, be you need to know, and exclude the trump administration because you never knew who had the president's proxy in those days. that that person is representing the president, not only his interests but red lines as kristen said. that is something you're getting in steve and shalanda young. part of the negotiations in the staff level, the fruitless staff level negotiations but mccarthy is right in the sense on two fronts. this is how these negotiations always are solved, with principles between two offices, the speaker in this case, and the white house. and number two, time is dangerously, dangerously short. i mean, i don't think that could be overemphasized, katy. 15 days to get a deal, get it

into legislative language, and pass it through two chambers is so, so difficult, especially when the math on a deal like this, the vote math is going to be so tenuous. mccarthy in his view has to get 50% plus one of his conferences, that would be 110 or so, a little bit more than that, republicans. house democrats will have to provide the rest. you could see house democrats provide 100 votes. that's scary, that's a really difficult thing to clear, plus, on the senate side, you're going to have to get 60 votes, so that means you're going to have to get all the democrats, plus nine republicans, or some combination there within. i think also this is going to need to be scored by the congressional budget office for budgetary impact, and further more, mccarthy says he can not, and he said this at the white house yesterday, privately to the president, he can not waive that 72 hour rule. 72 hours between bill's release and vote on the floor, so it's

just very tenuous at this point. >> jake laid out how hard it's going to be to get the votes. what's the white house doing to reach out to democrats, to make sure whatever deal is struck between the president and speaker mccarthy does pass muster among the democratic party in congress? >> reporter: it's a great question, katy, because one of the key sticking points revolves around work requirements, it's something that republicans want for some social safety net programs. a number of democrats, progress progressives are opposed to common ground, the president cracked the door to the possibility there could be some area of common ground around work requirements. look, part of this is going to be to make sure they do have democrats on board to make sure that they have the votes at the end of this. i have been talking to sources on both sides of pennsylvania

avenue who say democrats are of course going to back whatever the president agrees to, that doesn't mean it won't come with some backlash, particularly if he gives in on that issue. that's why you're seeing more calls, mounting discussion of invoking the so-called 14th amendment, which would allow the president to unilaterally take this issue off the table. that comes with a lot of complications. big picture here as we talk about coming down to the wire, which jake has laid out so well. remember back in 2011, when they did reach an agreement but the nation's credit rating was downgraded anyway because the process was so dysfunctional, according to s&p, which determined that they would downgrade the nation's credit rating, and that had an impact on the economy then. obviously right now, the economy quite fragile, that would be a major political problem for the president. >> it is a big risk. kristen welker in hiroshima, thank you very much, and jake sherman from the capitol. appreciate it. quote, an extraordinary

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zuckerberg, then it was tiktok, now open ai ceo sam altman is calling on congress for a government intervention on artificial intelligence. nbc's tom costello has more. >> reporter: underscoring the promise and peril posed by artificial intelligence. >> we have seen what happens when technology outpaces regulation. >> reporter: tuesday's senate hearing started with a voice that sounded like senator richard blumenthal, but wasn't. >> that voice was not mine. the audio was an ai voice cloning software, trained on my floor speeches. >> reporter: the words, written by ai program chatgpt, the man behind chatgpt, open ai ceo, sam altman is now pleading with congress to regulate ai before it's too late. >> my worst fears are that we cause significant, we the field, the technology, the industry, cause significant harm to the world.

if this technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong. >> ai's peril is far more than stealing a singer's voice and compose ago -- composing essays, it could counterfeit humans, steal identities, spread fake news and medical advice, undermine elections, democracies, even start wars, and there is wide agreement that humans could soon start losing their jobs to ai. >> how do we find meaning in life if the ai can do your job better than you can. >> reporter: billionaire, elon musk who helped fund open ai is among hundreds of tech leaders calling for the industry to hit pause. last night, he talked exclusively to cnbc's david faber. >> there's a strong probability it will make life much better, and there's some chance that it goes wrong, and destroys humanity, hopefully that chance is small but it's not zero. >> reporter: for years hollywood has envisioned a dark future

controlled by computers. while i robot may be extreme, the man known as the god father of ai, dr. geoffrey hinton left his job at google and issued a stark warning. >> i think it's possible that people are a passing phase in human intelligence. >> in other words, computers may take over? >> yes, that's possible. >> reporter: an existential threat to all of us. >> you'll recognize geoffrey hinton, we had him on the show. joining us is nbc news technology correspondent, jake ward. you have a lot of really smart people who have created a lot of really intelligence design, including artificial intelligence, warning congress to act, but congress is full of people who don't necessarily understand the basics of the internet. are they asking for the specifics? are they laying out a ground framework for congress to say here's how you do this?

>> well, i would say, katy, that at this point, the answer is no. i mean, i think fundamentally, congress has come a long way from where we were back when orrin hatch asked zuckerberg how they make money, and zuckerberg said we sell ads, we're not there more. the staffers are smarter, regulators are smarter. so there's lots of smart people working on the problem in washington. i would say the thing that is, you know, what experts and critics have been saying to me after altman's performance in this hearing is that it's pretty masterful that he talks a lot about regulation, but what he doesn't talk about is pulling back or slowing down in any way. and there was a narrative that, again, critics are saying the tech industry has been pushing, which is just that this thing is inevitable. it's going to sweep across society like weather, and we need to just kind of get ready for it to rain. you know, prepare ourselves in that way, and what academics, regulators, lawmakers are saying to me is that's not necessarily

true, and not in a free and open democratic society, where we can choose what we allow to move across the market. it's that narrative we need to be watching out for in the future as we see more of these kinds of appearances. >> the threats to humanity on one end of the spectrum, and also more immediately, the threats to the job market and ai negating a number of american jobs. when sam altman was talking about that, he was talking about ai is a good tool to use for jobs, but it shouldn't replace jobs. how did he argue congress should look at that? >> reporter: well, he is certainly of the opinion, and he said this not just before congress but over and over again in podcasts and appearances, we have tried not been able to. you know, he says he believes it will be the greatest creator of wealth in human history and there will be an incredible increase in the quality of life. but in the short term what we are seeing are things like state agencies turning over functions to a.i. we were speaking to a laufr who

sues regularly on behalf of congress denied public benefits, section 8 housing, snap benefits because the state agency no longer has people making the decisions. it has a.i. making the decisions and when they try to get somebody on the phone there's nobody to pick up the phone. they are stuck in a loop. in the short term we will see some real inequality issues here and that's what academics are talking to me about. >> we heard a little bit from elon musk in the package by tom costello. let's talk about the interview elon musk did with cnbc's david favor. in it he was asked about twitter and the marketing of twitter. let's listen. >> do your tweets hurt the company? are there tesla owners that say, i don't agree with his political position because -- and i know it because he shared so much of it? are there advertisers on twitters that will come and say, you got to stop, man, or i can't get these ads because of some of the things you tweet? >> there's a scene in "the princess bride," a great movie.

>> great movie. >> where he confronts the person who kills his father and he says, offer me money, offer me power, i don't care. >> so you just don't care? you want to share what you have to say? >> i will say what i want to say, and if the consequence of that is losing money, so be it. >> you know, he was asked about some of the things he said about george soros, but twitter was initially supposed to be a neutral platform. how far has it come from that original idea? >> well, i think, you know, it has come quite a long way and not necessarily in a good sense, right. once upon a time twitter was conceived as this sort of open platform in which people could sort of say what they wanted to say and as a result of that sort of permissiveness in a sense,

but also a sense of sort of, you know, that there would be kind of adults watching over it. that's why world leaders used it to issue their statements to one another. it is how, you know, diplomatic back channels in some cases happen. it is how, you know, law enforcement agencies and transit agencies got the word out to people, right. it was supposed to be this kind of civic infrastructure but now you have elon musk misquoting, by the way, "princess bride." he doesn't say, i don't care. he says, i want my father back, you son of a -- i don't understand what that analogy has to do this with question. fundamentally this thing is supposed to be a place by which we communicate, and that's why government agencies and diplomats used it. now if this guy who runs it says, i will say whatever i want on it and i will tolerate a culture of conspiracy theories i think the business prospects are going to hurt and i don't know we are all going to get out of it what we originally came to twitter for. >> jake ward, thank you very much. coming up next, you can't do that. how a group of moms is trying to stop a ray bradbury book from

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a group of parents with the help of a major publishing house and the largest writer's group in america is suing a florida school district. they argue the schools are violating the first amendment and bringing us one step closer to a ray bradbury dystopia. joining me is nbc news correspondent antonia hylton. i left out of a lot of the details. bring us up to speed. >> i can break it down for you. this lawsuit was filed this morning by pan america, a free speech advocacy group. >> a great group. i have been involved with them. >> they pulled in penguin random house, a number of children's books and authors and two parents in the school district and they're alleging escambia county schools essentially have systematically removed books

disproportionately representative of kids of color and lgbtq kids and it is a violation of the first amendment and the equal protection clause. they want these books ultimately brought back into the school district and they establish in their filing this is part of a pattern, a larger ideological pattern we are seeing frankly not just in florida, although florida has been at the center of the culture wars here in this country right now, but in school districts around the country. you know, many of the authors are banned in escambia but they're not -- but they are banned in many other school districts around the country as well right now. the school district has not yet spoken out about the lawsuit but i managed to get one of the school board members on phone. this guy, bill slaton, who represents district five he told me when i reached him he was surprised by the lawsuit not because of the contents but because every district in florida, he said, is doing something similar. they are hearing parents find things inappropriate or they're labelling certain books pornography and they are removing and looking at committees and taking the materials out of schools.

they say they're following state law and following what the desantis administration wants and they were frankly shocked at first the lawsuit came to their doorstep. this same district has been at the front of this for months now. they've been in the headlines. they aggressively removed books, about 15 of them removed through a combination of the school board and committees, but part of the allegations in the lawsuit is this school district has done some of the removals without following their own processes in place. this has implications not just for the schools but for schools around the country right now. it is coming at a time when there are these restrictions coming not just to kids and high schoolers but not to public universities, too. we saw on monday that governor desantis signed a law that is going to keep public universities and colleges from spending their money on diversity, equity and inclusion programs. >> thank you for joining us. that will do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪