♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> and when a republican candidate in a swing state, like pennsylvania, makes banning abortion a central focus of their campaign without any exceptions, for example, for rape, incest or the life of the mother, well that republican politically speaking is probably going to lose badly and drag the entire party down with them. so the question tonight with our country slipping away, will republicans learn from their election mistakes, or are they doomed to repeat them? >> the sheer panic on the right after another really good election night for democrats.

with republicans like hannity finally realizing that the party's toxic, regressive, authoritarian policies have sparked a voter backlash. also tonight, new reporting that donald trump almost certainly knew that a president cannot declassify documents just by stuffing them in a box and hauling them to the old golf resort, as repeatedly has claimed. plus, elon musk's off the rails interview. the man who runs one of the biggest social media sites raises alarms with toxic comments about george sorros and the texas mall shooter among other things. but we begin tonight with the republican's toxic brand. remember the 2022 midterms the red wave felt more like an orange trickle? that keeps happening. last night was another really bad night for the republican party, several key races in florida, colorado underscoring how the right wing grip on our politics is slipping. in florida, democrat donna

deegan won the mayor's race in jacksonville. which had been the largest city in the united states with a republican mayor. also last night, outside of philadelphia, democrat heather boyd beat republican katie ford in a special election for a pennsylvania state house seat. allowing democrats to keep control of that chamber. in colorado springs, independent candidate yemi won the mayoral race against republican wayne williams. the result was a blow to republicans whose dear leader won el paso county, which includes colorado springs by 11 points in 2020. they are losing all over the country because their brand is toxic. even deadly. it's not that come by plaited. people undergoing dangerous miscarriages do not want to be turned away at emergency rooms for to bleed out in the parking lot. young people don't want to worry about dying in their classrooms. parents don't want their elementary school kids learning how to pack bleeding wounds

during a mass shooting. and then they wonder why they can't win? no matter how they dress up these issues, calling them pro life, which at this point is just laughable gaslighting, or the right to bear arms, which is code for the right to kill whoever i want with my ar-15 or my bare hands. voters are proving that this is not what most americans want. which brings us to ron desantis, the avatar of white grievance politic whose would be presidential platform caters to minority fringe positions and fake problems. tuesday was a bad night for desantis in particular. two of the candidates he endorsed flopped in their races. instead, it was trump's pick that defeated the desantis-backed candidate in kentucky's closely-watched gubernatorial primary. the winner daniel cameron, is a mitch mcconnell groomed candidate. attorney general refused to charge breonna taylor's killers. the endorsement fight just shows what desantis is up against as stakes his political future on the idea that the only way to replace trump is to be even more

cruel and more extreme than trump is. and so, he signs a six-week abortion ban announcing it quietly late at night because, sh, maybe the women won't notice while they're sleeping. and why he wages wars against mickey mouse and children's books and banning diversity and history in florida schools and colleges, dangling the critical race theory, trans and migrant boogie men in front of base republicans while firing educators and prosecutors who won't do his bidding all while insurance companies flee his hurricane-ravaged state along with construction site and agricultural workers. but we are seeing the backlash to this gross, oppressive republican overreach. these special elections prove it. last year's midterms proved it. do you actually think this is what america wants? this freakish war against everything, everywhere all at once? come on. it's not. you know it's not. which is why donna deegan made history right now, becoming jacksonville's first female mayor. it's why pennsylvania voters

kept democrats in control over how the chamber will handle abortion and gun rights and election laws. the reality is the closer you get to trumpism, the more you lose. and yes, republicans, you can steal that line for your autopsy report. and joining me now is nikki freed, chair of the florida democratic party and tom boni ex r, ceo of target smart. i do want to go to you first, nikki, and give you your flowers. the democratic party has long been assailed for its lack of competence, including by me. i lived in florida, i feel the right to disflorida democrats. i lot. this was actually a huge win. this was the 12th largest city in america. it's long been governed by republicans. what do you think donna deegan's sort of special powers were here? or was it more the issues on the other side? >> it was a combination of all of it. first of all, it was a tremendous win for florida democrats last night, it wasn't just donna's win. we took six out of nine of the seats.

so we also elected -- donna is the first female to ever be elected mayor. first ever black property appraiser and four other down ballots on our city council races. what happened here was a combination of a few things. one, donna is a fantastic candidate. she never went negative. she stayed positive the whole time where the republican opponent went even further right. so you saw even in the results last night that the republicans did outpace us when it comes to actual voters. but you saw over -- you saw almost 13,000 cross-overs between npas, no party affiliates and republicans. this is a trend that is happening across the country, as you eluded to, but it's happening here in florida. people are starting to reject the radicalization of the republican party and certainly the republican party under ron desantis who has taken our state in such a dangerous direction. >> you know, tom, this has been -- so there's been a theory of the case by ron desantis in particular that he has to get to the right of donald trump on everything and go really to the

extremes and the fringes of the party. i mean, banning a.p. black history, getting almost into a fight with black fraternities and sororities where they nearly got banned on the stop woke stuff, fighting disney, teachers being fired or being forced to resign because they played a disney movie. it's gotten real extreme in florida. is this part of the backlash? is it what you expected? you have been looking at these numbers for over a year. >> yeah. it's unquestionably part of the backlash. to your point, you know, it's not new that candidates need to tackle little bit to one side or the other for a primary. but what we're seeing and what trump has done in transforming this party entirely and then really re-enforced by the dobbs decision last year, seeing ron desantis now running as fast as he can towards trump and really even past him, what we're seeing and what we saw last night is very much the end result. it's seeing democrats and independents fired up and really rejecting that.

it's what we saw in key states last year in the midterm election where extremists were on the ballot and where voters believed they had an opportunity to do something about it, democrats won't. >> i mean, nikki, the six-week abortion ban, you literally protested it. you were literally arrested protesting the six-week abortion ban. are there -- it seems to me the dumbest political move that a person who wants to run for president could make would be to push for that ban. who is giving desantis the idea or the advice that that's where he needed to go? it seems like that is going to just fire up democratic voters next year. >> i think he is getting actual political advice. this is just who ron desantis is. you know, we all know that on new year's eve two years ago he was with the the evangelical church and 15-week abortion ban that's right now on the law, it came out like six weeks later. this is who ron is. and when he doesn't have to play to the middle, which is after a 19 point win, supermajority in our state, he got to just be

him. all homophobic, racist as he is, he just got to be himself. and unfortunately you know, this is the end result that we have a six-week abortion ban in our state. we put permitless carry on the books. just today he had three bills that went after lgbtq plus community. it just keeps going over and over and over again. every single day he is just being himself. 800,000 migrants are going to leave the state of florida. you were eluding to it earlier also. i don't know who is going to be doing the picking of the fields during the harvest and who is building all these new homes for everybody who is moving to our state. they're all going to be gone. and he's going to have crippled our economy because he's got such a distaste and distrust for people that don't look like him and pray like him. >> that is sort of odd thing about it is ron desantis is trying to build his sort of presidential campaign on the fact that he's effective. i'm trump but more effective.

but if the migrant workers all leave your state and construction projects are going without workers and having to shut down, and the agricultural industry can't find workers, you can't build a big enough white etho state to find enough people to replace them. the christian white etho state going to supply these workers? who -- i don't understand the electoral strategy here and why -- i have to be honest, the media has dubbed him as some sort of improvement to trump. he backed the more extreme, the more far right culture warrior candidate in kentucky, for instance. that person lost to a regular order mitch mcconnell who had trump's endorsement. he is losing the endorsement race to trump. he is losing the victories race to trump who lost a bunch of races. i don't understand it as strategy. >> no. it's more baffling new data that came out this week and analysis that showed that the white-working class, the white non-college i should say share of the electorate has steadily

declined by two-point share every election over the past decade. what that means for republicans they're appealing to an ever narrowing chunk of the electorate. and the math didn't add up for them last time. they'll have to do even more this time around. it's a very narrow path and a very bizarre strategy. >> this is what daniel cameron said last night. he thanked donald trump for his support and he said the trump culture of winning is alive and well in kentucky. that doesn't make any sense because, yes, he won the short term race here for the primary, but who does he think he is going to add? black voters ain't voting for daniel cameron, the guy who let the breonna taylor killers off the hook. they're going to vote for ba here is. how dud he add enough people to be able to defeat an incumbent governor. i don't see the math math in there either. >> i took that more of the big lie. trump is the winner who we know didn't win and the path -- maybe they rely on the fact that kentucky is different. right?

the math there is slightly different. but when you look at the democratic governor who has good ratings, good favorability ratings, the path still is quite narrow, to your point, and when you're appealing to such a small segment of the electorate, your intentionally narrowing your path to the point it becomes impossible. >> 72% of voters oppose banning the 1619 project or other works on slavery and race and don't consider them racially divisive. nearly two in three oppose banning the abortion pill. 76% of u.s. adults favor requirement criminal and mental background checks for those buying guns. 14%, only 14% of u.s. adults think that drag shows should be banned. republicans are picking issue after issue that are super minority issues. they don't even have 50% support for any of the things they're doing. what is the motivation to keep doing them? >> the motivation is to appeal to this base. it's the tooth paste is out of the tube. they don't know how to go back. they lose their base on one

side. colorado springs, we haven't talked much about that, we talked about that -- that's the city that is plus 20 republican in party registration. >> wow. >> and a democrat won that race. >> he's a democratic-leaning independent. >> right. >> nonpartisan race on the ballot but someone red shirt as a democrat won. again, we talked about jacksonville. it just shows to your point the strategy isn't working for them. but they don't know how to get out of it at this point. >> does the republican-controlled senate and house in florida know how to back out of it? i don't know if behind the scenes, nikki, any of those folks have come to you in understanding that they're digging a hole for themselves, even in a state like florida that we had all been saying is red now. it doesn't seem so red after that victory in jacksonville. >> yeah. i think, joy, i heard a lot from our senators and house members, not just this session but even the previous session. they're miserable. they don't want to be doing this radical agenda from ron

desantis. they are not happy. they know that they're going into a very dark path that they got to go home and be able to now defend in their own districts everything that they just passed this legislative session. and they are digging this hole, but i don't know if you saw today, but 99 of them came out today and endorsed ron desantis. he's holding them hostage because he still hasn't done the budget yet, so he has threatened vetoes of their budget priorities. he's threatened vetoes of their priority pieces of legislation. has threatened to primary them in their next elections. show's holding legislature hostage. this is not who so many of them are. granted, there's going to be a handful that have drank the cool aid and believe in this ideology, but for everybody else, they know that this is a death march and unfortunately they don't know how to peddle backwards until he truly starts to lose ground in key states like iowa and new hampshire and the recognition that he won't be the nominee. >> or in districts like in new york. so you have george santos, his

communications director quit today. that is a race, tom, that looks like democrats could pick that up. i mean, they're sticking to this guy even -- i'm not sure they even know if that's his real name at this point. in the dooipt we know his real name now. but that is their guy and they won't even let him go. >> no. they can't. it's again -- this trap they're in. they won the house in the seats in new york and california. that was the margin. and these are seats that democrats could and should win. abortion wasn't on the ballot the way it should have been and could have been last time around. you better believe it will be this time around. that district especially i don't see how they hold. >> and in pennsylvania, where now democrats have the ability to put a ballot measure on the books which is going to hurt republicans everywhere they play the abortion game they lose. nikki freed, tom bonnier thank you very much. damning new evidence from the national archives may undercut his incoherent claims how he wound up with classified

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just so you understand, i had every right to do it. i didn't make a secret of it. you know, the boxes were stationed outside of the white house. people were taking pictures of the gsa the various people -- >> i have to stop you -- >> i took the documents. i'm allowed to. they become automatically declassified when i took them. >> ever since it became public that classified documents were found at donald trump's florida country club after he tleft

white house, trump mounted the defense that simply by taking them with him the documents automatically became declassified. he said that as president he could declassify documents just by thinking about it. anyone who ever worked with classified documents can tell you that that is not how it works. even for a president. and now it appears there is new evidence that shows trump and his top advisers actually knew the proper declassification process while he was president. tonight, cnn is reporting that the normally very quiet national archives has notified trump it is set to hand over to special counsel jack smith 16 records that confirm trump and his team were informed how to properly declassify documents. the letter sent to trump to that effect states that the documents all reflect communications involving close presidential advisers. some of them directed to you personally concerning whether, why and how you should

declassify certain classified records according to multiple sources. according to that letter, unless prohibited by an intervening court order, those records will be handed over next wednesday. which they were not. joining me now is joyce vance, msnbc political analyst and president in charge of talking me down. but this time i feel like you won't have to talk me down, joyce, because look, this is the thing. you're always saying this and we love taking the class with you on the show, documents, documents, documents. it's not just allegations, it's documents. if the national archives has 16 different documents showing they told trump and his team this is how you declassify documents, what would be his defense at that point? >> right. so this defense has always been pretty slim, joy. it clearly doesn't work. it flies in the face of how the classification process works. but apparently jack smith sent subpoenas to the national archives earlier this year and

they came up with a pretty large group of documents that they said were potentially responsive. this is much of the information that smith has now asked them to turn over. and look, i have to say that as a prosecutor, you would be happy to have one document that confirmed that your defendant understood how the classification process worked. to have 16, that sounds a little bit like hitting the mother load, although we don't know exactly what these documents are. >> well, the thing is that it also seems -- as you said, we don't know what the documents are. we just know they informed him they will send them to jack smith, but here is the problem. donald trump's lawyers and he don't seem to be on the same page. this is what trump's lawyers said last month to congress, suggesting it was an accident or oversight that he had the documents. quote, we have seen absolutely no indication that president trump knowingly possessed any of the marked documents or willfully broke any laws. rather, all indications are that the presence of marked documents

at mar-a-lago was the result of haphazard recordkeeping and packing by white house staff and gsa. now, is that -- is that good news that his lawyers thought that if, in fact, the national archives instructed the white house on how to declassify documents? >> this is why as a criminal defense lawyer you don't want your client conducting national town halls on cnn. >> yeah. >> because your client may go south on you. that's what trump did here. look, this was essentially their only defense where they maybe had a chance of convincing a juror or two. it was chaos during the transition. some of this stuff ended up in mar-a-lago, who knows how. but now trump has shot his own best defense out of the water. he is stuck with this magical declassification defense. >> so this is from last summer. ludicrous, ridiculous, complete fiction, former trump officials

claim that he had a standing order to declassify documents. 18 former top trump administration officials have told cnn that they never heard any such order issued during the time working for trump and that they believe the claim to be pat tented false. several officials laughed at this idea. if there was a magical declassification system that doesn't exist, donald trump never said to anyone at the time contemporaneously that he was declassifying things. that seems to me to also be a problem. >> i think it is a problem. and it just -- again, this is not how declassification works. one suspects if there is a trial in this case there will be people who will have worked in the intelligence community. they will do a powerful job of explaining to the jury that declassification isn't a privilege that makes the president's life easier. that's how donald trump seems to treat it. this is a remarkable trust that the public places in the commander in chief, this notion

of what information is so important that releasing it to the wrong people could do grave damage to our national security. that's the language that underlies this notion of top secret classified information. trump is so cavalier in his treatment of this. this is the sort of thing that you can see blowing up in his face in a trial setting. >> so, i think one of the frustrations that people have had is how long all of this is taking, but if you have the national archives just now sending these 16 documents, whatever they are, over to jack smith's office, is the problem here that just more new stuff keeps coming up and that you can't close an investigation when your investigation keeps turning up more things. in your view, could that be what's taking so long for this to come to a conclusion? >> it looks to me like there are two things here. part of it is exactly as you say. it's important for doj contemplating prosecuting a former president for the first time to make sure they dot all

of their i's and cross a t's. convince a jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. it looks like trump was at it again delaying the process because these subpoenas were sent earlier this year. it looks like trump wanted to quibble about what could be turned over. he's entitled to do that to some extent. the biden white house said that they wouldn't contest executive privilege on any of these documents and clearly joe biden's claim there is superior, but there was some back and forth with the trump folks as they continued to assert executive privilege. the source from the trump side of thing who spoke to cnn today said that he was trying to protect the presidency and its prerogatives, something that just does not ring true here. >> yeah. the whole thing is so odd and so strange, but it just seems to be so patently illegal. we have had multiple people who have been prosecuted for taking classified documents. this guy held on to them for 18 months. ky not imagine how that could

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the fate of the abortion pill mifepristone is once again in the hands of a couple conservative judges. today the fifth circuit court of appeals heard arguments over whether the drug that's used in more than half of abortions nationwide should remain widely available. that court, however, is considered to be the most conservative federal appeals court in the country. consisting of three judges two trump appointees, one a george w. bush appointee, all of whom have a history of supporting abortion restrictions. today unsurprisingly those judges grilled and at times interrupted the government attorney, arguing to preserve access to the drug. one even scolded the lawyer for danko, the company that manufacturing mifepristone for harshly criticizing judge matthew kacsmaryk. a decision could take weeks, even months, but ultimately this case is expected to set the stage for an inevitable return to the supreme court. in the meantime, north carolina is joining the long list of

states where republicans are pushing through abortion bans. last night, with the help of a formerly pro choice democrat turned hard line republican, the state legislature was able to override governor roy cooper's veto of the bill that bans the procedure after 12 weeks. as protesters in the state capitol chanted shame. [ shame, shame, shame ] >> sergeant at arms will clear those who can't follow the rules. [ shame, shame, shame ] >> joining me now is president of pro choice america. in that scene of women weeping and chanting shame while a man bangs the gavel and basically tells them if you can't be quiet and let us strip you of your rights you can get out, it felt very taliban to me. i bring up taliban a lot with my poor team, but the thing about republicans now is that they are acting a very taliban-esque way. they are religious group of

extremists who don't care about children. they want to control women. they want total control over women and are exercising that control. let's put up the map. all across the former slave states and in states in the west that they control, while women have no power to stop them or a few join them. then these women wake up in a state where they have no rights. what to do? >> you know, we have -- you had a conversation with tom just now, tom bonier. you know, we know that more and more republicans are actually with us on abortion rights. right? we just did some research with change research, 73% of republicans, 3 out of 5 independents, 51% of donald trump supporters don't want politicians interfering in these decisions. actually a majority of rural white men in this research were with us. so it's wild to watch these republicans commit this extreme overreach. what to do is we just have to keep mobilizing and getting folks turned out.

you know, there was a series elections yesterday, some in the fall, some next year. it's never to early for organizations like ours and our colleagues and our allies to be drawing the clear contrast and shouting from the rooftops, how extreme these folks are because we know it bears repeating, we have to keep this in the news. appreciate your coverage. we need a lot more coverage. >> yeah. >> and let me just read about these judges. jennifer walker, appointee of george w. bush repeatedly ruled to uphold abortion restrictions. ho called abortion a moral tragedy. wilson long time critic of the roe decision and voted in the mississippi state legislature to ban abortion at 15 and 6 weeks of pregnancy and strip funding from planned parenthood. what we now have is the merger of right wing extreme christian white politicians and the judiciary. their rulings are predictable based on their politics, not based on the law.

in the taliban taking over in the 1990ed, people are like, yes, they would be great. they're anti-corruption and found out what they really are. they want total religious control over that population. republicans are behaving the same way. just going through a couple of these things, in alabama, and louisiana, so in alabama a new bill would make it possible to charge women who undergo abortions with murder. in louisiana, the legislatures criminal justice committee opted not to clarify that miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies are exempt from the abortion ban. 57% of north carolinians supported a 20-week ban and would expand while 35% want the procedure restricted to 15 weeks or less. they don't have majority support and doing things like that. >> so this is hand and glove with the attacks on our democracy. right? we know the majority of americans are with us on these issues. on these issues, gun violence prevention -- >> super majority. >> so what can they do, right? they have to cheat. they have to gerrymander. they have to erode access to the ballot box. so we've been saying for a long

time and you have been saying it, that access to abortion is -- was the eye-opening experience for most americans about the crisis in our democracy. so what else can be done? we have to have court reform. we have to aggressively lobby the senate judiciary committee. i was just in a press conference yesterday with hank johnson on the judiciary act to expand the court. we have to look at every tool in the tool box. congress can and should regulate the courts. president biden has done incredible work with record number of nominees, but the work is not done. we have to get every one we can because that's how we got into this mess with james ho. >> it appears that donald trump, who created with the help of the far right heritage foundation this court. >> yes. >> was bragging in that town hall about i got rid of roe and he might probably will be their nominee. this is going to keep coming back in his electoral issue. the woman who betrayed her constituents by flipping on abortion and now her whole story about, oh, i had an abortion,

it's all george santos to me. right? because she decided i don't care about any of that. that could be an immediate -- right? there are electoral possibilities where women can get revenge and men who agree with women who want women to have freedom? >> you know, i think there's so much electoral opportunity around this, but i just want to be clear, we need democrats to be unequivocal, authentic and really strong. there's no room to be, you know, less than 100% vocal around these attacks. that means white male politicians, not just women and we need them to be shouting from the rooftops where they stand on this issue because things like trisha, they conflate and confuse the voting public. we have to be really clear where we stand. the good news is most democrats are. we just have to have a lot of discipline. >> before that happens, what will women -- put the map up if we could please again wonderful downtown sterling brown, it's scary to me i feel so badly for women, rape victims, for children who get impregnated because they were raped, people

who have ectopic pregnancies and have miscarriages and don't -- can't get treatment throughout the south. look how far you have to drive if you're in florida or mississippi or texas. this is like the old free states and slave states at this point. and i don't know what we do right now for the women in this region. >> it's losing north carolina is devastating. it's important for folks to understand a ban is a ban. right? a 12-week ban is devastating and dangerous. we have a lot of challenges with access to care. if you look at that map, you've got, you know, florida was a place where folks could go, but now we don't have it. north carolina was a place. now we got virginia elections. >> georgia has a six-week ban but brian kemp got away with that. >> he sure did. >> there was no payback. that sent a message to republican politicians you can do a six-week ban and get away with it. he sure did and also being anti-voting right. we'll have that another day. thank you very much. always appreciate you being here. coming up, elon musk gleefully turns twitter into hell scape no matter what the

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and there's been a threefold increase in the rate of hateful account creation. when "the washington post" asked musk about these findings, his response was a poop emoji, good summation of the seriousness with which he approaches the situation. there may be a reason why the man from the old south africa doesn't want to accept these facts. he is actively participated in this increasingly hateful, vitriolic under the guise of free speech. he tweeted he hates pronouns. he promoted conspiracy theory that paul pelosi wasn't attacked by a right wing election denier. an idea he got from a website known for publishing fake stories. earlier this week he went after george sorros, the republicans favorite target for anti-semitic tropes, replacement theory. musk's distemper couldn't possibly have anything to do with sorros' fund management dumping a bunch of shares it

owned in tesla, could it? well, in a sign of his emotional maturity, musk tweeted sorros reminds me of magnito. when someone pointed that out to him, he replied that sorros wants to erode the very fabric of civilization, really? is that a fact, elon? what is true is that musk -- what musk is doing is tapping into this popular anti-semitic narrative that there is a secret cabul of jewish people running the world. not the billionaires. the jews. he's also piling on at a time when anti-semitime is on the rise. 2017 white supremacists chanting jews will not replace us. 2018, a man walked into the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh and murdered 11 congregants because jewish people were supposedly bringing in invaders that kill our people.

this week, just two days after musk's tweet, the jews was trending on twitter. coincidence? now this kind of language may not come as a surprise for some. considering that musk's other company tesla was found guilty by two juries of running a racially-abusive factory in california. last night, in an interview with cnbc, david faber asked elon about his tweets. >> you tweeted this thing about george soros. i'm looking for it because i want to make sure i quote it properly. you know what you wrote. but you basically -- >> it reminds me of -- calm down, people. this is not federal case out of it. >> you said he wants to erode the fabric of civilization and soros hates humanity. when you do something like that -- >> i think that's true. that's my opinion. >> it makes you a lightning rod for criticism. do you like that? you know, people today saying he's an anti-semite. i don't think you are. >> i'm not. i'm like a pro-semite if

anything. >> the head of anti-defamation league didn't quite agree with that take. in fact, he called it a dangerous tweet that emboldens extremists. the israeli foreign ministry didn't agree either. they took the pretty rare step particularly for such a right wing government a far right wing government in fact of saying musk's comment had an anti-semitic feeling to it. since he bought twitter, musk's experiment in free speech has been a disaster for his bottom line. why? because there's this undenial sense that he has turned twitter into a free for all hell scape, even though he promised that he wouldn't. more than half of twitter's top advertisers have stopped advertising. and fewer people appear to be visiting the hell site. so, what is he doing to assure the public and advertisers and his shareholders that he didn't an unhinged hate monger? well, that's next. d hate monger? well, that's next. ggled with cpp every night. but now that i got the inspire implant to treat my sleep apnea, i'm sleeping much better. in fact, it's making me think

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>> this is freedom of speech. >> you absolutely are. i just want to understand why you do. so you just don't care. you want to share what you have to say. >> i will say what i want to say, and if the consequence of that is losing money, so be it. >> well, as you can see, elon musk does not care if he pushes lies and mainstreams hate, but mascara freedom of speech gets in the way of his bottom line,

at least i think he cares. joining me now is ben collins, nbc news senior reporter. i guess that is the question. now i'm not sure he doesn't care if he loses money. does he? >> i can't imagine he does. this company costs probably about half what it costs when he bought it, six or seven months ago. even if this was not the plan, it has become the plan for elon. clearly. to enact this elaborate revenge fantasy against all his perceived enemies. he has been pushing these, it's not just antisemitism from yesterday, it has been like this for a month, saying the media is racist against whites. he's been pushing pay memes from fortune, tied to mass shooters, including one where pay's in fatigues with a salt weapon. i don't know what the plan is here other than to say it mirrors almost directly every other person that has been red pill door radicalized on the internet to a tee. this guy has been radicalized

in the same way as i have seen everybody else radicalized by the far-right internet over the last five years. that has been my exclusive job. so i can identify this when i see it. and that is what is happening to this guy. >> or this is who he was anyway. because it feels to me like the two big scandals around him have come together, finally. the way that desolate operated as a racist hellhole where black people were attacked constantly and told to go stay in the slave quarters, and this. let me play for you, this is him claiming the texas shooter was not a white nationalist. here he is. >> when you link to somebody who is talking about the guy who killed children in a mall in allen, texas, you say something like, it might be a bad psyop. i'm not sure what you meant. >> in that particular case, there was a, somehow, that that,

no not not, the people that were killed, it was, i think, incorrectly described to be a white supremacist action. >> oh my god. >> and the evidence for that was some obscure russian website that no one's ever heard of that had no followers and the company that found this is bellingcat. do you know what bellingcat does? synapse. i'm saying that describing it to white supremacy wise [bleep]. >> this is the headline, he was covered in not sees what stickers. >> yes. yes he was, joy. look, can we stop this? can we stop giving this guy softball interviews please? my colleague -- shows how you're able to find this guys it's, not complicated. and then if you want to ask the

cops, the cops can tell you, this guy had a naughty tattoo, a swastika on his chest, and as a statue and his arm. we all saw this. so at some point it's like an abdication of your journalistic duty to joke around with this guy who is spreading white supremacist talking points on national television. stop giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. we know who he is by now. it's point you're bailing out, you're taking your out your reporters who have vetted this stuff and know exactly what this guy was, he was a white supremacist, and you're tossing them to the side to get chummy with a very rich person. i just don't like it. >> and by the way, somebody who pretends to be a free speech absolutist, except when the turkish autocrat wants him to suppress tweets in turkey, which he did and defended it. >> that's exactly right. and, by the way, joy, the old administration was the big censorship regime, remember that? they fought back against that sort of thing. they would fight back constantly against these countries who asked.

but not elon. elon just let it go. because maybe, at this point, i think it's pretty clear we can start asking the question, maybe he has more in common with those kinds of people than regular american. >> last thing. he has hired somebody who used to work here, lydia karine, are a maga supporter, a trump fan. she's going over there and yet you lions fans are mad and why are they mad. >> she was in the world economic forum. they believe of cleared the pandemic as way to get people into 15 minutes cities so we can only bugs instead of meat. this is what they all believe and he's making those people angrily who previously you should be happy with this. people like captured too. joy, it's real dark out there. it's real dark. >> and the fact that the

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