>> yes, this is their obsession. >> exactly, so it just, i don't know what else to say about it. i can't agree with you more, does it make sense of. look back at the history of primaries, john mccain, barack obama, george bush, nobody becomes the nominee without fighting for it. >> jennifer horn, thank you very much. that is all in on this wednesday evening. alex wagner tonight starts now. good evening, alex. >> i am reminded that the old adage but interfered with enemies like this. >> that's great, that's good. >> if you're trump, you're like -- yeah, come on and run. >> i mean, you know, they're real tough on like the sociologist teaching like intro to sociology to race florida universities. >> stand back, new college. >> all right. >> all right, thank you, as always, my friend. ll right, than>> thank you at hr

joining us this evening. remember back in august last year, when the fbi searched trump's mar-a-lago home looking for classified documents, documents they believed the former president has knowingly stashed away? trump complained very loudly and publicly about that. he also fund-raise off it and took every opportunity to put out what a victim he was of a deep state witch hunt. but his first real defense, first real justification for why he kept all of the documents in the first place, that came in the form of a statement released exclusively to fox news, quote, president trump had a standing order that documents remained from the oval office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them. the idea that some paper pushing bureaucrat with classification authority delegated by the president needs to approve the declassification is absurd. so that was trump's defense. he had a standing order to

declassify all these documents, whatever a standing declassification order is? cool. except nobody bought it. cnn interviewed 18 former officials from trump's own administration who called this explanation ludicrous and ridiculous and a complete fiction. john kelly, who as you recall, was trump's chief of staff, he says, nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given, and i can't imagine anyone that worked at the white house after meet that would have simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed that order to go forward. okay. if you weeks later, trump sat down with an interview with sean hannity and tried in new defense. >> you have set on to social and number of times, he's the declassify -- >> i did declassify, yes. >> is there a process, what was your process to declassify? >> it doesn't have to be a process, as i understand it. different people say different

things, but as i understand, it does not have to be -- if you're the president of the u.s., you could be classified by saying it's the classified, even by thinking about it. >> that does not need to be a process, i can declassify it by when, when i think it's declassified, when i say it's the classified, is, proof. national security experts everywhere found this ridiculous, but trump stuck with the defense. this is what he said a town hall last week. >> i was there and took what i wanted to talk, and it gets the classified. let me tell you, i have the absolute right to do whatever i want with them. i have the right. >> tonight, we are learning that trump knew those claims about mental or verbal declassification or bogus because he was told so. in writing, repeatedly, while he was in office. according to cnn, the national archives is prepared to give special counsel jack smith 16 records, which showed trump at his top advisors had knowledge of the correct declassification

process while he was president, according to multiple sources. nbc news has not independently verified that report, but think about this for a moment. this is not someone to trump after the mar-a-lago raid, mister president, you can't just declassified records by thinking about them as the classified. this is trump being told the rules of the road, while in office, as he was allegedly mentally and verbally declassifying stuff or whatever is he thought he was doing. which then begs the question, what is in the 16 records, exactly. cnn obtained a letter that was sent yesterday from the national archives to trump laying it all out. it reads, the 16 records and question or fleck communications involving close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning whether, why or how he should declassify certain classified records. apparently, during the trump presidency, trump's advisers were repeatedly reminding trump

of the official process for up to the classified things, which totally makes sense because trump really like sharing classified information when he was in office. remember the time that president trump casually revealed havoc ossified information to the russian foreign minister during a white house meeting? or the time he tweeted out a highly classified image from a u.s. by satellite? or the time that he had sensitive discussions about north korea with the japanese prime minister in front of a crowd of onlookers at mar-a-lago, remember all the? in retrospect, it should not be all that surprising that trump was being repeatedly pulled official declassification process is supposed to work. and now, those warnings, they 16 records could become a key part of special counsel jack smith's case against former president trump. according to cnn, the 16 presidential records may provide critical evidence establishing the former presidents awareness and to declassification process, a key part of the criminal investigation into trump's

mishandling of classified documents. records may also provide insight into trump's intent and whether he will fully disregarded what he knew to be clearly establish particles. so these records seem fairly important, which is why the doj apparently subpoenaed them earlier this year. since then, trump's legal team has done everything in its power to make sure that these 16 documents don't see the light of day, although for the record, trump's legal team said the fight is really a strategic fight about constitutional and presidential protections rather than keeping evidence from the special counsel. which is, okay -- we now know that yesterday, the archive said the trump team a letter that basically said, sorry, the 16 records are underway to jack smith, which is a problematic development for trump and defense team. it comes at a time when their legal problems are mounting. yesterday, a top lawyer from trump's mar-a-lago legal

defense team announced that he would be stepping down, that he claims his departure as nothing to do with the underlying case. joining us now is national security lawyer mark zaid and charlie savage, washington correspondent for the new york times. thank you both for joining me. mark, let me start with you. in terms of the legal implications of all of this, what does trump's awareness mean in terms of the eyes of the law, as far as his -- when he knew about the declassification process and what he was saying and doing? >> it's very significant, alex, because it goes to a state of mind, which is what criminal cases are generally about. this has never been a strict mishandling of national defense information, which is what the espionage act actually uses by way of language, because as i saw in the near post, every president since reagan, and i dare say before the, have mishandled classified

information. it is fairly routine. i see all the time, in my cases. roy's issue here is that as you reported and cnn had reported, that trump and his inner circle were told how to properly classified and these classified information. assad even further, because i independently verified it, that they were instructed in the days and weeks before leaving the white house for the transition on how to pack up the documents, so as not to take ossified formation. this really goes further to the obstruction issues, and everything that we're starting to see, if true, but we have to listen to the media that trump not only mishandled the information but also sought to hide from the u.s. government and obstruct the investigation by deliberately acting on the, as well as giving instructions to others possibly, even lawyers, as to where the move the documents around mar-a-lago.

>> just a follow-up on the, mark, it's the obstruction charge, right? this is all obstruction or what it sounds like in full flower at many stages of the game, at many stages that the legal saga, trump is acting as a road block, effectively, for what is to be done correctly by the letter of the law, is that right? >> there is no doubt, in my mind, that if once contacted by the national archives, when it was learned that documents were missing at the white house, original classified records, that if they had even after a period of weeks, maybe months, set, we thought we could take them, for whatever reason, here they are back. maybe we will fight with you about it but here are the documents that you can protect them, if that have been, we would not be talking about anything regarding this today. instead, he obstructed for 18 months, and that required the search of his promises, as

allowed by a federal magistrate judge. that is all the difference in the world. this is not a pence case. this is not a biden case, where they both mishandled classified records. that is normal. what is not normal is how trump and his supporters and allies have handled the case. >> charlie, i am struck by the fact that as of last week, president trump was still in thickness defense, i can declassified things just by saying the declassified and thanking their declassified, knowing that his legal team had received this subpoena and we're fighting it in court, effectively fighting to make sure that the proof that trump knew compared to what he was saying publicly come out, that jacks mitt would be ending the records. does that surprise you? >> i would like to say something broader in this base that i think would be helpful because i think this is a complicated topic. your introduction has completed the mystical i can take ossified documents by thinking

it and the prospect that the president could be classified documents just by saying it, without following normal procedures. i think there is an open question that -- there is a strong argument that a president can by speaking it, so that everyone hears it, and it is communicated to the broccoli, the classified document without going through normal procedures. it's not been tested, but these procedures are set up by executive order. it is the presidents constitutional authority, so there are arguments can a president by an executive order a violation? it is not a test, but there is a coherent argument that a president could do that if spoken. one of the big fights here is he says he understands the order with something communicated directive, is that no one heard it, apparently it was made up as the first step at the defense here. but if he had something like that, and there were a piece of paper, even if it was crazy to have a system like that, he

would be and much stronger grounds. whereas, i think it and it's the classified, but no one knows i've done the, is incoherent terms of how the system works. it's all about the system but which the government protects information, closely hot, carries it in special packages, put it on special computers, popped up in special rooms. if no one knows it's been because of it, they will continue to stream it as closely. this could connect to something else that mark was saying which is putting aside the obstruction issue, which essentially agree, that the espionage act, which is the one about mishandling the pence information, does not speak to whether information is classified or not, because it was an accident or one, there was no classified information system in. it does not matter, by the words of the law, whether something was technically still classified or not, whether it was mark top secret or declassified. it just needs to be information about the national defense that

could hurt the u.s. or any of our adversary and being closely help even if trump magic he said that these at these classified, and we could have this esoteric argument about whether that counts are not, it does not matter for the purpose of the appease knots act because the government is still keeping a closely held, which is what has been necessary for the element for the criminal defense. >> respectfully, i would defer to what john kelly said, and on its face, dismissed the notion -- as patently absurd. it was never articulated. this is very much a complexion of trump's own invention. i would not get into that legal aspects of it, but there was no proof that he had declassified any of these and or had -- i am not a legal scholar, but it certainly seems like shaky ground. no need to litigate that right now, charlie. i will go to you, mark, in terms of what the indications are for the broader investigation, as it stands

into mar-a-lago and the case of jack smith is building. we know now that there is this piece of it. we know that there are key players, that they have broken attorney-client privilege in the case, there are a number of fronts where jack smith has had some significant winds, and i wonder, what you make of trump's exposure oppression? >> sure, i thought his participation in the town last week, and this has been said so many times, i am sure, on your broadcast, as well, what's great for him politically to his base, but his lawyers must have been just shaking their head with their hands over it because the things he said are going to come back to haunt him before jackson. i agree a lot with what charlie was saying. it's a legal issue about whether the mental aspect of declassification could occur, but there is no process. i represented two of his secretaries of defense and his

national security adviser, and there is no one other than kash patel who was at one point with the house intelligence committee, with kevin newman as chair and chief of staff at the defense department, he came forward and said, i knew it was a standing order, and he was pulled before the grand jury. we have not yet heard what in fact he said, and he has not come back on air anywhere to say or provide any proof that this existed. but trump has some very significant legal exposure, and it may be unfortunately politically that the biden, pence's timing, bad timing of having mishandled national defense information may cause some hesitation of the attorney general to pursue certain charges, but if everything is as bad as we are hearing it to be, with respect to obstruction, then they are looking to be some significant serious

criminal charges coming. i would imagine we are talking weeks rather than months at this point. >> wow, that is breaking news, marks eight. mark, thank you, charlie, thank you. we appreciate your time. we have more this evening including the long durham investigation, kind of a nothing bigger boss republicans are calling for democrats to be expelled from congress over it. democrats like congressman adam schiff, who joins me coming up. and how did north carolina republicans managed to overturn the will of the people when it comes to abortion? we will talk to the states democratic governor roy cooper about how it happened and whether republicans may pay a price. y pay price. (water splashing) hey, dad... hum... what's the ocean like? ♪ are there animals living underwater? ♪

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personal decision. it should not be a political debate. my mom and my interest is not up for your political crap. >> that was north carolina state representative trisha cotham back in 2015, sharing the story of her abortion in front of the north carolina state legislature. this is what happened and that same room yesterday. >> the house has overridden the governor's veto, and the bill becomes law, notwithstanding

the governor's objections, so that it be codified. [crowd chanting] >> the protesters there are chanting, shame, shame, shame. and they are chanting that because this is the day, the north carolina state house voted to override the veto a democratic governor roy cooper and forced a 12-week abortion ban into law. part of what makes the legislatures move so incredible here is that it came down to just one vote, it came down to a stunning about face by north carolina state representative trisha called them. last year, less than 12 months ago, trisha caught them run as a democrat. here is her campaign website. it is, i kid you not, democrat trisha cotham torque. caught the run her race months ago as a democrat. she beat her republican opponent by a whopping 19% of the vote. this is not a close one or no butter. her constituents wanted a

democrat representing them. and then last month, trisha caught them switched parties. she said she had been bullied by other democrats, and that they pushed her out. now, we do not know enough to confirm or deny those claims, but we do know in doing the, trisha called them give republicans a supermajority, a supermajority that would ensure that republicans were veto proof, so trisha caught them, who ran as a democrat become the deciding vote to override the governor's veto and a 12-week abortion ban into law. as wild as tricia cotham's about-face is, what is more concern here is that republicans were even close to a supermajority at all. just this month, the group, california forward, carolina forward, put on a specific 12-week ban, 54% of likely voters oppose a 12-week abortion ban, only 40% supported it. so how did this all come down to trisha cotham's one? how did republicans have enough

votes did not just pass testing but to override governor roy cooper's veto? how is the will of the people so far away from the work of the legislature? joining us now is north carolina governor roy cooper, governor, thank you for being here tonight. i'll just get right to it, do you think republicans, given the polling and numbers, and trump's support for the abortion ban, the take republicans will pay a price for their actions today. >> yes, they will. it's pretty clear that partisan gerrymandering on steroids cost us today, because the majority of north carolinians did not want right-wing politicians in exam rooms with doctors and women. all we needed was one vote. people are angry. women feel slap in the face with this bill that came at them so fast, and every single republican, even those who

promised to protect women's reproductive freedom, those republicans in swing districts, every one of them voted for this ban, and this shows us that republicans are unified in their assault on women's reproductive freedom. now, they tried to do this fast, alex. they passed this law in 42 hours. took them 42 hours to turn the clock back 50 years, a lot no amendments, no public input and ran it through. i have ten days to veto it, we want to cross the state, we held forums, we held a rally, people rose up and set, we're not going to take this but as soon as i vetoed it and send it back to them, the first legislative day, they override the veto. all we needed was one republican to stand up, and they did not do. they tried to do it so fast, they did not want to lay a fire under democrats and

independents. guess what, to date. that fire is blazing, and you are going to see people all over north carolina come to the polls and work to make sure that we break the supermajority in 2024, to make sure we elect the democratic governor, because i am term limited second on the serve a year and a half more, and to make sure that we take this to president biden. i believe we can. >> it feels decided the undemocratic, the actual bill itself, but the way in which it was passed. i want to talk about something you mentioned, the gerrymandering that has given the republicans to support majority. you know for years, north carolina republicans have been trying to gerrymander the state. i believe it was last month and north carolina's supreme court that effectively ruled in their favor, so they have to greenlight to do this to and even more extreme, it sounds like, is that right? >> last year, we had a supreme

court that was democratic, and it really should not have courts running partisan races, and this legislature turned everything bipartisan again. but the democratic supreme court, it was a close vote on the court, but what it did was ruled that partisan gerrymandering was unconstitutional and north carolina. with fair maps, we sent seven democrats and republicans the congress, showing that north carolina is a truly 50/50 purple state. but republicans won in 2022. we lost ground and the state legislature, that's why it came down to one vote, and the supreme court reversed itself, so they are not visibly drawing maps. for the last four years, i've had a veto, enough democrats to sustain my veto. we've been able to hold off the abortion ban and discrimination and attacks on voting rights. but now, we are one vote short

in both the house and senate. we will work to bring republicans along on issues. we were able to get a bipartisan agreement to expand medicaid and north carolina. just a few months ago, we are able to get a bipartisan agreement on clean energy. those are things that we will continue to work on, but make no mistake, north carolina democrats are going to be ready in 2024, and even with gerrymandered districts, we'll put at the top of the list, making sure that we have enough democrats elected to make sure that we can sustain a veto, what we hope to be a newly elected governor to take office in 2025. that is critically important. we democrats need to pay more attention to governors races and state legislative races. her zip code should not determine your constitutional right, but that is what the u.s. supreme court has done by overturning roe v. wade. the battles a state capitals and legislatures. i was chairman of the

democratic governors association last year, and we were able to end up with post two democratic governors in crucial states like wisconsin and michigan and arizona and pennsylvania. we were able to elect democratic governors, and that is going to be important, as we approach 2024, particularly, in protecting democracy and protecting people from these terrible laws that maga republicans now clearly have trouble with their party. we know where they're going bad legislation. it's more important than ever for people to vote and to make sure that they vote all up and on the ballot because every single election is important. >> governor, why do you think do this on abortion, in particular? >> i think, really, gerrymandered districts are something to do with it because i think you see republicans in these red districts only worry about primary opposition, and they took it politically, so they get as far to the right as they possibly can.

this is what we need independent redistricting commissions in every state. it's very difficult to re-district in a fair way, but you can do it, and north carolina, they have taken this to a technologically diabolical extreme. they can go house by house. we have seen them draw congressional districts to have ended up 10 to 4, and they said the only reason it was 10 to 4 because they could not figure out a way to make it 11 to 3. that's the issue that they go to. i think that affects the kind of legislation that they consider. all of them are following donald trump to, so clearly, you have a party that has lost its way or other they found their way, and we know that democrats and independents across north carolina and across this country have to come out and be ready in 2024 to fight for our democracy, to

fight for women's reproductive freedom, to fight for public education, health care, all these things that we know there are so critical. >> we know that abortion is one of the issues that gets democrats and independents out. we shall see. governor cooper, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks a lot, alex. >> when we come back, the durham report. remember the? it was supposed to be a bombshell, and republicans don't want somebody to face punishment. looks like they pick a democratic congressman adam shift. that's coming up. plus, we'll take a look at the ties between supreme court justice clarence thomas, his billionaire benefactor harlan crow and a judge will be deciding a major case on abortion. that is next. that is next a passionate lover of art deco elegance and good times. someone who likes it hot but knows how to keep their cool. is this you? find me at hotels.com pedro was born with a cleft lip and palate that threatened his future and impaired his speech, but his cleft condition didn't define him. he's playful, smart, loving. is this you?

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visual. this is a photo of justice thomas wearing a judge on the fifth circuit court of appeals, a judge named james. he is a trump appointee who also clerk for clarence thomas. in that room there are standing in, it's a private library and home of harlan crow. according to reporting from propublica, flight records suggest, perhaps even justice clarence thomas in for this private,? . . ,,.

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by the u.s. supreme court that did not let the state go into effect, so what we saw today, my colleague mark stern as they put it well, but they were acting out. they were grumpy, that the court put them in the naughty boy chair and did not like them to think that they wanted through which would have cut this traffic lee limited access to mifepristone. what we saw was so much kind of stark. that stark you let quit, which is, really, we're going to talk about things that are not true, but the fda upping in good faith, the fda will not follow instructions, maybe we should talk about how we're starving the degree of creepy that fox news discourse as opposed to serious judicial fact fighting was dispiriting from a federal tradition. >> >> i got to say, at the risk of sounding like rip van

twinkle, i just woken up from 100 years of somber, i am still shocked that there is this cabal of arch conservatives who increasingly seems feel like they are above the standards of jurisprudence and connect these cars on their own. they're all friends and all have paintings and photographs with wealthy benefactors and feel like they may need to make no excuses but the network, from judge kacsmaryk, you can get to jim ho, who swore kacsmaryk in. from jim even get the clarence thomas, who sworn jim crow and, and for all of them, get back to harlan crow. for the layman, this is like the scales have fallen before our eyes? >> it's funny because i was thinking about your dogs playing poker energy, and it would be like dog playing poker if one of the dogs and all the other dogs, right? that's why it's really not a poker game, that something much more nefarious, and i think it's also worth saying that

judge ho was out and be -- giving this barnstorming disclaimer that everything that clarence thomas did was noble, and that judge kacsmaryk, who you may recall, he submitted an article and then took his name off and hid out disclosed as part of his hearings. judge ho defended that to, so these guys are so deep and each other stuff that that has become to defense, and that part of it is like, again, stop saying the quiet part out loud because it does not make a judiciary look at. >> yes, stop being part of each other stuff and stop wanted to be part of our stuff to, just saying, as a woman. always a pleasure to see you, i am sorry that we talk about such grim topics. thank you for your time as always. still to come to see evening, we're going to hear from congressman adam shift about why a republican colleague is calling for him to be expelled from the house of representatives. stay with us. stay with us try downy free & gentle

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concluded that russia did interfere in the 2016 election with the sole purpose of helping donald trump beat hillary clinton and at the top trump campaign welcome that interference. it's been grim academy those comments after the replays of the durham report, report commissioned by former attorney general bill barr to basically investigate the investigators. that report contained no major revelations, and it failed to expose a politically motivated deep state conspiracy. but now republicans appear to be looking for ways to hold democrats accountable for the things that special counsel durham could not find himself. starting with congressman adam schiff. tonight, far-right republican congresswoman anatolian alone has introduced a resolution to expel adam schiff from congress. this comes after speaker mccarthy removed congressman shift earlier this year. congressman schiff has a lot to say about this and he's gonna be joining me live right after this break. so stay tuned. so stay tuned.

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congressman woman anna paulina luna filed a resolution calling for the expulsion of adam schiff from congress. over so called revelations from special counsel john durham's report. congressman luna said adam schiff lied to the american people, using his position on american tell just push ally the cost american taxpayers million dollars in abused the trust pasted him as chairman. the durham report makes it

clear that the russian collusion was a die ally from day one, and schiff perpetuated that lie for political gain. with us now is congressman shift. thank you for being here. i'll get right to. it what is your response to this move to try and expel you from the house of representatives? >> as you said, to durham investigation, again, an investigation, donald trump demanded, an investigation of the investigators. bill barr was only happy enough to comply by the employment of durham. durham spends four years trying to prove this deep state conspiracy theory that trump kept telling his base was going to be proven and people like brennan and pelosi in schiff in a there who could be part prosecuted. the horror the whole thing was a big bust. for years, hundreds of interviews, and nothing to show but two failed cases, and which not the defendants who were acquitted but durham the prosecutor, i think, was criticized, by the judge and so

the response to this big disappointment for trump and for the maga crowd, let's go after adam schiff, the person they most view is standing up to the rule of law, standing against trump and maga world, leading the first impeachment, persist speeding in the january six committee. when this dark chapter of history is written it will reflect that those republicans who lacked courage to stand up to the most unethical president in u.s. history, donald trump, consoled themselves by attacking those who did. and that's what this is really about. >> are you surprised that speaker mccarthy's invoking your name? i mean, not technically he's not part of the maga wing of the party but he does help them find a home in the republican conference. but he is the speaker of the house and is supposed to be above some of this petty political mudslinging. did his comments surprise you? >> nothing he does surprises

me. it's the same guy the gave surveillance video to tucker carlson. he will do whatever trump wants him to do and i i am sure trump glories in mccarthy and house republicans going after me. it's about satisfying his boss in mar-a-lago and the crowd loves donald trump. so it doesn't surprise me. mccarthy has also made it clear he wants to do everything he can to stop me from being elected to the senate where he knows i would be more effective at pushing back against these efforts to tear down the rule of law. i think this is what is part of what is at work here. >> i'm not going to ask if you think it's a coincidence, but this is the day this is a move to expel george santos the cereal fabulist from congress. that failed. but do you think this is a naked clay to basically seek an eye for an eye, if you will? you, if george santos is gonna kicked out, and so is adam

schiff? >> i think that a lot of what is going on is a lot of what we've seen in the past, which is when democrats do something for the right reason, they use the president to do something for the wrong reason in an attempt to draw a false equivalence about it. but the confluence of efforts to expel this serial fabricator, george santos, this person who has just been indicted, headed hesitated guilt to a foreign crime, to distract attention from that, and in the wake of added disappointment of the durham report, let's go after adam schiff. let's please the maga crowd and send a message to anyone else that stands up to donald trump and the extreme maga world, we will go after you the way were going after adam schiff. >> i think congressman schiff, a lot of people are deeply appreciative of what you've done in congress and the fact that you are not being cowed by this transparent attempts that for reasons that have nothing to do anything other than

jealousy that your effective at your job. thanks for your time tonight. good luck in this fight. that is the show for this evening. we will see you again tomorrow, and now it is time for the last word, with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. lawrence. >> and i know that all you kids grow up and washington and lee parliamentarians at heart. i know deep down you guys, you learn the house rules an elementary school. >> yep. >> senate rules and high. school this is such an exciting night for me because we are going to cover, once again, the single most exciting thing you can ever see in the house of representatives. unfortunately it's almost inexplicable and it is of course the procedure that the democrats are using right now to try to force a vote on a clean debt ceiling v bill. the discharge position. the man who filed the discharge petition shun is in