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happening right now, so in the meantime, you're seeing these stunts, and they're really taking over. and latino voters ultimately need to understand and i think will welcome individuals who know we need to reform our immigration system, and congress ultimately needs to be the one to act. and we need to send representatives to congress who are going to act on reforming immigration. >> we'll have to leave it there for now, to be continued, though thank you. >> and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online on facebook and twitter @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it's the culture wars with a 2024 twist, but will the fight over transgender youth and gender pronouns help put ron
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desantis in the white house? new evidence that the governor's willing to test that theory as he gears up to announce his presidential run. if you're not worried about the potential for a catastrophic debt default two weeks from now, the white house has a message for you. right now vice president kamala harris is trying to make their case to the public with the goal of pressuring republicans into making a deal. the latest on that, plus a live report from japan and the latest remarks from top administration officials on where the talks go from here. plus, why a house vote to punish admitted liar and federal fraud suspect george santos may ultimately help the new york republican's chances of staying in office. we'll explain that coming up. but we start in florida as nbc news learns that governor ron desantis will officially announce that he's running for president next week as we watch him try to super charge his campaign by harnessing the powers of the culture wars including targeting the members
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of the lgbtq community. on wednesday he ramped up that fight even further signing bills into law that outlaw gender affirming care for minors, target drag shows, restrict the use of personal pronouns in schools, even legislate what bathrooms people can use. and in a clear indication that he sees this as a winning political issue, the governor made sure to hold the event in public at a christian school in tampa where he tossed sharpies into a cheering crowd. it looked more like a campaign rally than an official event. >> we need to let our kids just be kids, and we have a very crazy age that we live in. there's a lot of nonsense that gets floated around and what we've said in florida is we are going to remain a refuge of sanity and a citadel of normalcy. >> joining me now nbc's dasha burns and vaughn hillyard, also with me former rnc chairman michael steele and writer at
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large from the bulwark tim miller. it's not often i have three people on set. it's great to have all of you here. okay, vaughn, tell me about all of this new legislation and how it fits into ron desantis's plan to apparently start running next week. >> the first thing we should say is we're looking at the republican primary electorate that we're talking about. these are humans, these are families, these are sensitive tough decisions that are made. when we are looking at this from the political angle, there is no issue that gets a bigger ovation from a republican crowd from cpac to a trump rally to a desantis event than issues related to gender affirming care for minors to the gender identity of children playing sports. this is for ron desantis a foundation of his political bid because, look, he as the governor has no say in foreign relations. he as governor only has so much capacity to take the economy and do what he pleases with it. right now you're looking at record unemployment rates. that is where you saw him really
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come to notoriety last year when he signed that first don't say gay bill, and guess what, he won re-election handily despite the uproar and the pushback to that. now these four bills, they are number one banning gender affirming care, limiting and restricting the drag shows and the ability for young minors to engage and be a part and watch those shows. but also, you have what is taught in schools, number one, prohibit sexual orientation or gender identity instruction in prekindergarten, restricts health education and requires that reproductive health instruction be age appropriate. these are sensitive subject matter. >> he's obviously very proud of this and this is the same person who did something that, i don't know, not that long ago people would have thought unthinkable. he went after disney in florida.
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on the other side of that is a guy named joe saunders, a political director of equity florida. here's what he had to say about these bills. he called them an attack on freedom. >> desantis doesn't see freedom as a value worth defending. he sees it as a campaign slogan. the nation should be on high alert. we are all floridians as desantis seeks to export this blueprint of authoritarianism to the rest of the country. this is the exact opposite of the freedom he talks about when, you know, he says things about, you know, your kids being themselves, what does that mean? obviously it means something very different to him. where do you see this? >> i have to agree with joe on the question of freedom. let's think about my family. i've got a 5-year-old. she's got two gay dads. what about our freedom, her freedom to be able to talk about her family, for her friends to be able to ask teachers about what it's like to have -- why does she have two gay dads.
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kids are precocious. they want to know and understand what's happening. to have the government say that, no, a teacher cannot have an age appropriate conversation is absurd. there was a case in florida, a fifth grade teacher under investigation for showing the movie "strange world," which doesn't even have any sexual themes. it happens to have one gay teenage character with a supportive dad. this is insanity. i think on the substance this is really bad, i think the democrats using the issue of freedom and trying to own that issue is a smart strategy. even in a republican primary, though, i'm wondering if desantis is going a little bit overboard. this reminds me a little bit of the ted cruz campaign, which vaughn also covered. cruz tried to beat trump by going as far as possible on every cultural issue. trump picked and chose his spot a little bit. he was kind of the more moderate candidate compared to cruz. cruz came off as weird and
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preachy and churchy. >> desantis clearly isn't alone about thinking that culture issues are winners. according to the human rights campaign, 19 states have passed gender affirming care for minors. 17 out of 19 are the red states , right that banned it. a majority of americans nationwide oppose gender affirming care for minors. so does this help desantis or at least not hurt him? >> i think there's a little bit of runway there for him to see how he rolls out this conversation nationally. florida is florida. it clearly has turned politically much more hard line on things like education, cultural issues, and there's a lot of i think still to be
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explored in terms of exactly how much of this floridians are ready to digest, it's all nice when it's, you know, the other person who has a trans child. so when a republican legislator or those republican activists b who have been out there screaming about this, suddenly their child says, hey, i'm one of had them, what do you do then? so i think there's a lot more of that to be played out. the rest of the country is going through this conversation, and they're assessing exactly how they feel about these issues, and if he's able to capture that lightning in the bottle, if you will, in terms of any angst or concern they may have, it will sustain him for a short period of time. donald trump is going to come off actually ironically as a moderate on some of these issues, and that will be the counter push to desantis. desantis thinks he's not to be more maga, and donald trump has
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his finger much closer to the pulse of americans to know, yeah, but. that's going to be interesting to see how he counter measures rhetorically what desantis is rolling out right now nationally. >> of course all of this is happening, the rollout if you want to call it that, dasha, before he's actually announced. what do we know about that? >> yeah, remember, we're talking about him as though he's a presidential candidate, but he is not yet one. what we do know, though, is according to sources familiar that he will be filing paperwork next week to formally enter the 2024 presidential race. we also know that next thursday, may 25th, he's going to hold a donor gathering, donors, supporters, bundlers in miami, which, you know, might give an indication of timing as well there. listen, this is where the game changes because so far with they're asked about polling, right, you're trailing trump, what are you going to do about that? their answer has been we are not yet in the race. now that changes, right?
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now they are in the race. so here we go. now they have to prove everything that they've been talking about. they've been laying the groundwork with that trip to iowa, those endorsements from state legislators there, endorsements in new hampshire. they're been trying to get these big headlines with the signing of this legislation and with the fight with disney, all of this has been that drip, drip, leading up to this big announcement, how are they going to execute and what are they going to do afterwards to solidify this is going to be a formal campaign. >> you make up such a great point. it makes me think of when you are you're and i were on the campaign trail. the frustration for the folks in that campaign, including ted cruz was they felt like all the questions that were being asked of them were about something that donald trump had just said or tweeted, right? so far, again, frankly ron desantis hasn't even needed to say the word trump, but once he's a candidate, how does he navigate that?
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are there lessons you learned or jeb bush learned or that you've observed? >> the one thing we've learned is you can't pretend that trump isn't happening and try to get the media to talk about something else. you could maybe do it for a day. please cover our rollout of education reform. that's a one-minute news cycle ask then donald trump would say something crazy. you have to live in the reality of the donald trump mix. desantis is trying to do this thing now where he kind of criticizes trump and says there's this culture of losing. why? who? he won't say, right? oh, there was chaos, you know, i'm not a chaos person. there's been some chaos in other white houses. he doesn't say. that isn't going to work. for three months he might not have officially been candidate. he's seen polls go down 20% ask. what we know is that's not going to work. does going right at trump work? that's what rumsfeld, we don't
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know, nobody tried it in 2016. we know that the other path, the one that cruz tried, the one that marco tried of avoiding trump up until the very last second when it's too late, we know that doesn't work. >> yeah, so michael, how important are these first few weeks after you announce? so he announces next week. how does desantis avoid those traps? >> he can't. he can't. can we stop pretending like this is actually going to be a race until it's a real race? i mean, donald trump controls this landscape, period, end of it. i mean, and unless -- >> even if you control the landscape, does that mean you win? >> who beats him? who beats him? when donald trump got subpoenaed -- >> can he beat himself? maybe he beats himself? >> what did ron desantis do when donald trump got subpoenaed? nothing. he kept quiet. so for all this i'm not running, i am running, i'm in or out, at
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some point you got to show you're ready to take this guy on. you got to show you're prepared to defeat him, not just, well, i'm not donald trump and i'm a better version and, you know, i did this in florida, you've got a third to almost half of the republican base that has aligned themselves. ron, how many members of your congressional delegation have endorsed you? what happened when you were in washington asking those same congress members to join up with you and endorse you? they came out and endorsed trump. i mean, come on, understand what's in front of you. if you don't have a strategy out of the gate to deal with that, this is just going to be a fun exercise of watching him get chewed up punched in the face every day and watching the glass from his jaw break. >> i've got to correct michael, he actually did say something when that indictment came down. he said he wouldn't extradite him.
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he wouldn't send him to new york to be arrested. ron desantis has protected donald trump for the last fiver years now ever since he was elected to the florida governor's house. we're talking about last week when the e. jean carroll trial verdict came out and ron desantis to this point has yet to say a single thing about a sexual abuse liability verdict from a jury, and just yesterday after the durham report he came out with a statement defending the durham report and saying that this is part of a politicized justice department. so again, what is he doing to undercut donald trump? not much. >> i have to say when you talk to voters and how does it play when trump attacks desantis, and how would it play if desantis were to go after trump, they don't like it. they don't like when trump goes after him -- >> what they say and what they respond to are two different things. >> the known, unknown, does going directly after trump help or hurt. people will stay l still say they're looking for a trump alternative. he was a great president. right, so do you -- how do you
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walk that line, it's hard. >> i think you're speaking to michael's point. >> i think my producer is having heart failure. i could talk to the four of you all day, i'll say one more thing, you develop a thick skin if you're running against donald trump. if his names and name calling get to you, you're done. vaughn, michael steele, dasha burns, thank you. tim miller you're coming back for more abuse later in the hour. at this hour, some inside information, kristen welker just learned from one of the president's top advisers about those critical debt talks in d.c. as biden himself meets with the japanese prime minister in hiroshima. we'll take you live to japan just 60 seconds away. you live n just 60 seconds away hydrates better than the expensive stuff i don't live here, so i'm taking this and whatever's in the back. it's already sold in the us. but i'm not taking any chances. the uk's #1 skincare has crossed the pond.
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it all comes as house speaker kevin mccarthy is sounding significantly more optimistic saying today he can see a path toward a deal coming together. nbc's kristen welker is in japan with the president. nbc's garrett haake is on capitol hill. kristen, i understand you spoke with nfc spokesman john kirby there. what are you hearing from him about these negotiations going on while biden is obviously there at the g-7? >> reporter: chris, it's interesting because president biden's first stop was to hold a bilateral meeting with the prime minister of japan. they talked about issues from ukraine to china, but it was clear that this issue of the debt limit loomed large over that first bilateral meeting, and it will loom large over this entire diplomatic trip want the president at the conclusion of that meeting was asked by reporters, can he guarantee allies here abroad, that the united states will not default on its debts. he ignored those shouted questions. so i put that question to nsc spokesperson john kirby. take a listen to that exchange,
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chris. >> can you as an administration official guarantee that the u.s. will not default on its debts? >> what i can guarantee you is that president biden takes this responsibility extraordinarily seriously, and he wants the congress to take it seriously as well. this isn't just a domestic issue. this truly is a international. it is very much tied to what we're trying to do here in the indo-pacific, enhance america's credibility overseas, look after our foreign policy objectives, defend and protect our national security interests with allies and partners. >> reporter: now, i also asked kirby about the criticism the president has gotten for being abroad amidst this crisis. speaker mccarthy did sound optimistic today. yesterday he was quite critical of the president's decision to leave and to engage in this diplomatic trip. kirby, quite defiantly said, look, speaker mccarthy was just on his own trip overseas and that the president will be
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updated routinely. of course it is worth noting that the president is cutting this trip short. he is missing two planned stops, one in papua new guinea to get this deal done before the nation defaults on that projected date of june 1st. >> garrett, let's go back here to the u.s. what are you hearing from congress about these debt ceiling negotiations, any insights? >> reporter: the speaker is certainly feeling like he's in a strong position right now ask that they're a little more optimistic than they were a couple of days ago that an agreement could be reached in the next couple of days or perhaps sometime next week. a lot of that has to do with personnel. here's how kevin mccarthy described the state of things this morning. >> we're not there. we haven't agreed to anything yet, but i see the path that we could come to an agreement. they're working through in a very professional manner to see where we could be able to raise the debt ceiling, take the concerns of what the house has and others and put a bill together that will become law.
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>>. >> reporter: i ran into two of the key negotiators outsides room in the bowels of the capital, shalanda young and garrett graves who's mccarthy's lieutenant both from south louisiana. i asked them how negotiations with were going, graves would only joke that they were discussing who had the best gumbo recipe. that sounds like a goofy thing, but the fact that there's a personal relationship here between the folks in the room is arguably an improvement on what we were seeing with the principals where mccarthy and president biden don't have any previous relationship to speak of when it comes to a deal like this. after you get a deal, you have to pass it into law. the senate is of course out next week. they're supposed to be on recess, but chuck schumer the majority leader just said on the floor for the benefit of all senators they're on basically a 24-hour call back notice here, if there's a deal to be struck, the house would vote. senators would be called back from wherever they are to do their jobs in washington. >> that's new information.
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kristen, we just heard from the vice president, kamala harris, on the debt ceiling. she was talking i think it was a zoom call to, you know, folks who have a big stake in this, and she of course called it a critical issue, but emphasized it's not an abstract policy debate. what role is she playing in these talks? >> you're absolutely right on that call with stakeholders, chris, she really tried to stressed urgency of this debt limit crisis. she's basically sitting in for the president who, of course, is here overseas, and she's underscoring, i think, the fact that the heavy hitters are now in the room, exactly what we heard garrett just talking about. the fact that you have shalanda young, the omb director, steve ra shet tee, one of the president's longest serving advisers in the room trying to get this over the finish line. there are a number of key sticking points. you heard the president crack the door open slightly, the slight possibility that he could potentially find some common ground on the issue of work requirements for social safety
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net programs. a lot remains unresolved. garrett and i are on two opposite ends of the earth we are working our sources simultaneously. >> both of you are so well sourced, it doesn't matter where you are. the president can be president from wherever, you guys are the best wherever you are. thank you so much, kristen welker, garrett haake, appreciate you. george santos surviving a vote to expel him from office. the new steps taken by his own caucus and what it means for the doj investigation. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. msnbc
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today congressman george santos still has a job after his republican colleagues in the house rejected a resolution to expel him, instead they voted to refer the matter to the ethics committee with no republicans voting against it. so what happens now? because emotions were running pretty hot after the vote with one new york republican congress santos a sociopathic scam artist, and then there was this shouting match on the capitol steps. >> no, i did not. >> get him out! he's got to go! owe got to resign! there you go, come on, man, you got to go. you got to go. you've got to get him out. save the party. the party is hanging by a thread. >> no, we got to get rid of
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biden, save the country. >> the party's hanging by a thread. >> to save the country. impeach biden, impeach biden. >> nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill, just another day there yesterday. tim miller is back with us. julie, what congress traditionally does and what happens these days are often two different things, so what happens now is the ethics committee now in the driver's seat? >> well, a top lawmaker on the ethics committee is arguing that their panel is actually still doing what it's always traditionally done. i spoke to dave joyce, he's a republican who is actually leading the investigation into george santos, and he told me that they are following precedent by not deferring this to the doj, the department of justice, as they've done in the past. i'll lay out why. he talks about this example of congressman matt gaetz, the dom was pursuing criminal charge against him. that is why the panel felt
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comfortable referring to the doj and letting them handle it. in santos' there is an ethics matter and criminal matters. that includes the 13 counts that santos was indicted on. that is what the doj joyce tells me will continue to look at while the ethics panel investigates everything they've been looking at from as early as march 2nd. of course yesterday when republicans voted to refer this expulsion resolution introduced by a freshman democrat, that is now, again, what the ethics committee will be looking at. and i have to tell you, chris, this committee often operates like a black hole. we don't always get much insight into what they're doing. i asked joyce if there's a potential time line he could squeeze out there for me. he said no conclusion on when they'll be finished. investigations take time, he told me, so this is something that's going to continue for at least the next few months before it could potentially be referred to the full house for a vote, which would require two-thirds of the entire house to expel santos. >> so tim, that leaves mccarthy with his slim majority and holding on at least for now, but
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some of the most vociferous voices against george santos have been fellow republicans, and many of them fellow republicans in new york. what's the calculation there that's different from the speaker's? >> for the new york members? >> well, for any of the republicans who are saying, you know what, this isn't helping us. >> it's a small member. it's the new york members in biden districts, right? they're trying to survive. they're looking ahead to the next cycle, and they don't want to be associated with this guy. they're going to have enough baggage, to also have to be associated with somebody who is indicted on 13 counts. i think the other calculus for the smart republicans, the mitt romneys of the world, do you have shame. should you push back. there's a lot we don't know. we know he's been indicted. he's also a fugitive in brazil we think, you know, they've got a deal with that. >> he settled that. >> right exactly, but what are all the details of that. why tie yourself to this guy when you don't know how you're
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going to get embarrassed in the future. mccarthy's a little different. he needs every vote he can get, especially with the debt ceiling issue and others. >> it's not a good time when your staff turns on you. the communications director for george santos sent a resignation letter. here's part of what she wrote. >> with respect for my colleagues, the people of new york, and most importantly myself, i am honored to tender my resignation. you never took one point of professional advice given. i mean, we should say she had been caught on tape saying she hoped santos would get kicked out of congress because he's not a good person, which is usually, again, not a good resume for staying on the job, but as a former communications director, thoughts about that? >> luckily i've never confronted this situation where i thought my candidate was a sociopathic and a bad person. kind of wondering why anybody took that job in the first place. who wants to go work for george santos right now amidst all of this, and how can he if in good faith -- congress people do
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still have a job. how can he serve his constituents when there's no staff that will work for him. >> could the speaker have done what mccarthy is doing now pretrump? before we sort of baked in the whole idea that people are going to do what they're going to do and they're just going to say i didn't do it. >> the trump factor is a big part of this, right? you can just kind of bowl through and you don't kind of care about what the mainstream media says. the narrow majority is different. we have a test case on this. steve king who was not indicted for anything did get pushed out by boehner and ryan when they were running the show and the republicans did expel him. same with todd akin. he was just a candidate then. there is some difference, not that the good old days were perfect, but what we're seeing now is definitely a category difference when it comes to shamelessness than what we had before. >> tim miller, so great to have you. julie tsirkin, thanks to you as well. up next, time's up, montana now the first state in the
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montana is now the first state to ban the popular video app tiktok, escalating the nationwide backlash against the app and setting off a potential court fight over free speech. more than two dozen states restrict tiktok on government
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devices. tiktok denies sharing americans' info with china and calls the montana ban, quote, unlawful. nbc news technology correspondent jake ward joins me now. so jake, talk a little bit about this man in particular and how much is it being watched elsewhere? >> well, chris, it certainly is gaining tremendous attention across the nation, being the country's first state ban of a major social media platform. right now more questions than answers about how exactly this will get implemented. the text of the law stipulates that tiktok will be liable for $10,000 per violation per day when the law goes into effect in january. but it's not entirely clear how that will be enforced or what life would look like for people who use tiktok or post to it inside the state. the aclu coming out hard against this saying that it does not make sense that the necessary
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standards for a ban have not been met. of course montana is home to a nuclear missile wing, to an air force base, but the vast majority of tiktok activity there has to do with tourism, rock climbing, the rest of it. tiktok as you mentioned says that montana users should continue using it while it seeks to defend their right to do so. it is, of course, the federal picture that we're looking at here. it has always been the nightmare of big technology companies to have a kind of policy landscape in which every state has its own law. they have been gently asking for federal regulations for so long. in this case, the fact this is now the first social media app on the verge of being banned when that ban goes into effect in january really complicates the landscape for the industry and puts a lot of pressure on federal regulators, chris. >> nbc's jake ward, thank you for that. meantime, theranos founder elizabeth holmes who was
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convicted, has lost her battle and must report to prison on may 30th. a judge agreed to delay holmes' surrender for three weeks. she lost her bid to remain out of prison while she appeals her conviction. the judge also ordered holmes to pay $452 million in restitution to her victims, including fox owner and former theranos investor rupert murdoch. up next, following the leaks, the shocking new revelations in court papers ahead of accused leaker jack teixeira's court appearance tomorrow. and coming up in our next hour, planning your prescriptions, how thousands of americans with cancer and other life-threatening diseases are coping with cripping drug shortages for medicines they say they need to stay alive. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. let's tighten that. (fabric ripping)
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defendant acknowledged that he was breaking a ton of ud regs, the reference to unauthorized disclosure, but said i don't give an expletive what they say i can or can't share. he went on to say online, quote, all of the expletive i've told you guys i'm not supposed to and acknowledged the information he was sharing was classified as top secret and sensitive. i'm going to bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, also with us, former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. ken, what else did we learn in this filing? >> well, chris, this is remarkable. this is the justice department trying to convince a judge to keep jack teixeira in jail. in the course of that, they disclosed this incredible information that really paints a picture of gross negligence on the part of the commanders at that air base in cape cod where he was working. as you said, on three different occasions he was written up for suspicious activity involving classified information. in one case he was alleged to
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have taken notes and put a note in his pocket. in another case he was admonished and told not to do deep dives into information that didn't have anything to do with his job, and then he did it again, and in no case was his access to classified information rescinded nor does it appear that they did any investigation of what he was doing on social media outside of work. if they had, they would have learned that he was leaking information and posting racist and extremist content. we're going to find out tomorrow whether a judge believes there's enough evidence here to hold him without bail for trial, but leaving that question aside, this filing paints a picture of really a catastrophic failure here of the government to police its own classified information, chris. >> so the government, however, harry, is not on trial. jack teixeira is, and as you read what's in this, his level of awareness, it would seem that would be very critical to the prosecution's case. this is not somebody you look at the picture, he looks young,
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maybe looks innocent, somebody just in the game room trying to show off. this paints a very different picture, doesn't it? >> 100%. he does look young, but he looks sort of immature and wanting to share he believes in a race war. as ken says, first, the case against him is overwhelming. he's a guy who never should have gotten a security clearance, and having gotten it, it should have been yanked several times. the warning signs were so rife and so severe that just as ken says, it really points to the government. it's not on trial, but it ought to be, and the inspector general in the air force is looking at this closely now and two people above teixeira have been suspended. they've got to figure out how this happens. there's just a problem with the breadth of the classified system and its, you know, so many people getting it, but the failure to then really police it carefully. so, yes, he should be detained
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, and i think he will be. he should be convicted and i think he will be. the bigger problem is how'd it happen, how'd it continue, and what needs to occur for it not to happen again. >> so "the washington post" reported this, harry. knowing what happens more than pretty much anyone is cool the airman allegedly wrote in a chat dated mid-november. when another user suggested he write a blog about the information, teixeira replied making a blog would be the equivalent of what chelsea manning did. does that reference to you indicate that he was not just aware of what he was doing but also the potential legal consequences of sharing this type of information? >> oh, yeah, and look, his callowness there comes through, but callowness as well as obnoxious views, he believed there was a race war, all this anti-semitic stuff gets the national security compromise. it does show it and his defense attorney is arguing about tomorrow, it's not as serious as these other episodes like
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chelsea manning. it's clear he knows otherwise. the fact is it's otherwise. again, he is looking like a very serious, corrupt actor or knowing actor that endangered the national security. the number of warning signs along the way make your head spin and make us need know what has to happen so that this can't recur. for sure that is going to be used tomorrow and i think successfully for the government to say this guy has to stay in jail pending the trial. >> so one of those head spinning moments, ken dilanian, that you mentioned was in this report or in these filings it says he was looking at looking at classified information, he's taking notes, and then he's putting it in his pocket. he gets told you can't do that, and then he gets caught doing it again. i mean, is there anything in this filing that suggests, and
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you can certainly jump in here as well, harry, is there anything in this filing that suggests that there's a lot of culpability here in a lot of different places? >> oh, yes, chris, and in fact, to add to your narrative, then there was a third time in february of this year that he was caught once again doing a deep dive into the military's highly classified system, looking at stuff that his job did not demand that he look at. the fact that they wrote it up in memos suggests that there were some people that were very concerned about it, but his commanders took no action. that has to be answered for him. that is unbelievable, and suggests a systemic problem in the u.s. military. the point you made about him saying chelsea manning, that would be like a blog would be what chelsea manning did. some would argue that suggests he didn't want to disclose the secrets to the world. he was only trying to disclose them to his group of users on
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his discord chat room. as a matter of law, that's i wan -- immaterial. whether he wanted to broadcast to the world or to this limited group, the law will treat that conduct the same, chris. >> two very quick points if i could. >> real quick. >> one, exactly as ken says, intent doesn't matter, the danger is the danger. second, there's a general inertia problem in government, once somebody has a clearance or anything else, it's hard to yank. it shouldn't be. they had plenty of reason to know this guy shouldn't have had another day with a security clearance. >> we'll talk about this again tomorrow when he's in court. thank you, guys, appreciate it. thieves trying to access some of your most personal and sensitive information. we'll tell you how you can protect your cell phone. but first, there's no place like home. federal prosecutors announcing this week that terry martin, the man accused of stealing one of only four pairs of the iconic ruby slippers from the "wizard
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now to a concerning crime wave that's on the rise. thieves targeting the treasure-trove of personal information we all hold in the palms of our hands. here's nbc's stephanie gosk. >> just behind the locked screen of an iphone, a gold mine of money, memories and connections. and thieves have found a way in. >> they're stealing your pass code. >> it's so sinister. >> it's so sinister but also so simple. >> they go to places where people are vulnerable. >> drunk, people are vulnerable, they're drunk, they're having a good time. >> joanna stern covers tech for the "wall street journal," she's done a series of reports exposing a new crime wave, phones being ripped off at bars, leading to tens of thousands of dollars stolen and apple accounts locked. >> i was blown away by how many people i heard from that had been to different cities across the u.s. >> nbc's digital team helped uncover a ring of thieves allegedly targeting gay bars in
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manhattan. victims are drugged, their phones stolen. two men, john umberger and hul yellow ramirez overdosed and died. three suspects are charged with murder. waking up after a night out and realizing his phone was gone. >> i immediately got up, went to check my computer to see what was going on, had about 20 to 25 fraud alert e-mails. >> reporter: he said the thieves changed his apple i.d. password, locked him out and then went on a shopping spree. >> they added my credit cards to apple pay, which i had not previously used and then they went around new york city using my phone as a credit card. >> reporter: he would get roughly $15,000 back, but what he couldn't get restored was his apple account. >> i never received my information back. >> reporter: we're talking about personal photos, contacts. >> all of the above. >> reporter: in a statement, apple says we take all attacks on our users very seriously no matter how rare, we work
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tirelessly every day to protect our users' accounts and data, and are always investigating additional protections. there are steps to take, make the pass codes stronger, like using six digits instead of four. >> you can go here to pass code options and do a custom alphanumeric phone. >> reporter: go to screen time, content, and privacy restrictions where there are several places you can add a four-digit code that will block access. the changes will make the phone less convenient. >> i feel like it's fort knox on my phone now. >> reporter: with life's most important information in the palm of your hand, the hassle may be worth it. stephanie gosk, nbc news, new york. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, priced out, the rough spring housing market for buyers battling rising prices, mortgage rates that aren't b

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