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couple of things. it does have impacts that people say are positive. we have wind sheer over this region in the atlantic. this is the tropical development region. that means that it's less favorable conditions for tropical storms and systems to develop. of course that makes a big difference for hurricane season. but when we look at the long-term impacts, that's when these couple of records and things that we're watching, that 1.5 degree celsius martin luther king comes into play, chris, when we have these global temperatures that we're looking to be influenced on a big scale from that el nino. >> angie lassman, we appreciate it. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we have been talking about it for days. work requirements, republicans are demanding them, but when
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president biden signalled he might be open to them, democrats in congress revolted. they aren't fair, and they don't work, dems argued. republicans say they are fair and that it is only responsible to have a baseline standard for who can receive government benefits like medicaid, that a requirement to work would motivate people to work. a hand up, not a hand out, says speaker kevin mccarthy. so how does a work requirement function in actuality? we've got one of my favorite policy wonks with us to explain because it is a tricky issue. one that could sink a deal, and in light of that, a number of democrats are coming up with a plan b. there's one in the house to force a floor vote on the debt, over the objections of gop leadership if need be, and another being floated in the senate to negate a vote entirely. president biden, you have the authority all on your own, they say.
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one of those senators joins us to explain why. but first, let's get to the reporting and the policy. joining me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake with the president in hiroshima, nbc news chief white house correspondent kristen welker, and semafor's washington bureau chief, bengie sarland, garrett, i want to start with the negotiations themselves. where do they stand today? >> reporter: the negotiators have been meeting for hours in a room just below me in the capitol. what we're getting mostly is vaguely positive platitudes from the negotiators themselves and from the speaker. everybody agrees that it's the right people in the room now to negotiate a deal that could both pass a republican-controlled house, find its way through the senate and get signed by president biden. but where they are on the policy specifics is a bit of a mystery by design, you know, on the deals like this, we say it so many times, it's a total cliche, but it is true. you don't have a deal on
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anything until you have a deal on everything. and so these negotiators are trying to keep the specifics of what they're working on under wraps. these negotiators plan to neat in some capacity through the weekend. time is of the essence at this point, and the second half of whatever is going to get done today, translating a deal into legislation and getting it passed is the kind of space where any number of frankly dumb things could happen, and the risks are just too high that we could end up in a really bad place with a default. >> if we end up in that position where a default is looking likely, this discharge petition that the house democrats are floating, what republicans are they look at to help them get over the hurdle of speaker kevin mccarthy refusing to bring it to the floor? >> they would want to start looking at some of the members that represent districts that joe biden won in 2020, you know, think about those folks in new york state, for example, who
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helped tip the house into the majority. the thing to understand about discharge petitions is they almost never work. there's only been two instances in the last 23 years where a discharge petition has gotten enough votes to get to the floor. it's better as a negotiating tool to hold over republicans' heads and say, look, if you guys don't get to a deal, and you don't get to a deal we think is tenable, we can force this issue. it doesn't solve the problem of how you pass a bill through the senate, it doesn't solve the second level issues of preventing a default. it is a good tool for democrats to remind republicans, hey, we've got t theoretical options >> democratic senators say the president has the authority to do, they say he can negate a vote entirely, he alone can use the 14th amendment, his executive authority to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling. i know the president has heard about this. he was asked about it by one of
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our colleagues, stephanie ruhle a couple of weeks ago. anyone else talking about that now? has that come up again? >> reporter: well, look, katy, it hasn't. we do know that the president raised a lot of eyebrows when he said, look, it's something he had been considering, but at the same time, he acknowledged that there would be serious complications with invoking the 14th amendment. treasury secretary janet yellen saying it would lead to a constitutional crisis, and potentially economic calamity, so this is not an easy course or an easy path to take. having said that, he didn't take it off the table, and that is notable in and of itself. clearly you have pressure mounting from democrats saying they don't want work requirements to be a part of these negotiations, and so that is where the white house is really being backed into a corner on this issue. clearly a lot of outreach with democrats as they try to negotiate a deal here to resolve this issue over the debt limit.
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the president is here for these critical diplomatic, talks, katy, and i can tell you that the debt limit issue is looming large over everything. he was holding a bilateral meeting with the prime minister of japan, and he was ask, can you reassure allies that the u.s. will not default. he ignored those shouted questions but those questions are not going to go away, clearly, katy, as long as this issue remains unresolved. he's of course cutting part of his trip short to deal with this issue so he can get back home, try to strike a deal. he is staying up to date, we are told, being briefed throughout as negotiators meet back in washington, katy. >> it's not just domestic. >> it's not taken off the table. >> it's not just domestic. it's not just a domestic issue. it is a global issue. if we default, it has a ripple effect around the world. >> let's talk about the thing that seems to be one of the sticking points, work requirements, democrats say they don't work, republicans say that do. can you talk about the policy and what happens in actuality?
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>> work requirements are what they sound like. for various social programs there's requirements that able-bodied recipients make some kind of effort to find work or put in a certain number of hours or go through job training. the context matters a lot in which program we're talking about. the three areas republicans have talked about attaching work requirements to are medicare, s.n.a.p., commonly known as food stamps and temporarily assistance for needy families, tanf, what used to be referred to as welfare, in the debates of the '90s. biden has said medicaid is off the table. that's generally considered a no-go for democrats in general. adding work requirements could potentially kick, you know, well over a million people off according to outside estimates and cbo estimates, mostly based on the paperwork requirements. itst not just that, you know, people would be able to meet the work requirements or not. just keeping up with having to track it is often a struggle, people in marginal circumstances
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already. but s.n.a.p. on the other hand already has significant work requirements. democrats may face a dilemma if they're talking about tweaking them in one direction. in the case of tanf, it's a program with barriers to using at all at this point that i have a feeling that democrats would be least concerned about some kind of change there just because it is very much a program that is shrinking in relevance. work requirements, big thorny issue, which program you're talking about is going to matter a lot. >> republicans want it to be medicaid. i read on vox, that was the great white whale for the republicans. in actuality, you touched on this a bit, can you also emphasize what it would mean for people if they were required to prove that they were working in order to receive medicaid and how some argue it starts to get tricky? >> so we had a good example of this, which is during the trump administration they tried to
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loosen restrictions on states imposing their own work requirements, and i actually visited one of the states that was preparing for them before a lot of these were blocked by the courts, which is kentucky, and i talked to people who were on medicaid, a lot of them who were in transitional outpatient mental health, for example, which is, you know conditions that may or may not be exempted from the work requirement, but it's confusing, many of them are also holding down work, sometimes infrequently, and what i kept hearing from some patients themselves and from people that work with them is that it would massively increase the paperwork burden on everybody. they were very concerned about, you know, you might have to go through the phone and download an app, you might not have easy internet access on your computer, especially in poor rural areas which is a serious concern in kentucky. and so some of the states that implemented this early, the early returns were that, in fact, what you expect happened happened. there's strong evidence here
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based on real world experience, not just estimates, if you add work requirements to medicaid, you are going to see fewer people on medicaid. >> bengy sarlin, thank you very much. one of the people urging president biden to invoke the 14th amendment, that is the democratic senator from massachusetts, ed markey. senator, thank you very much, i'm going to ask you about that in a moment. i want to ask you about work requirements. if a deal is made on adding work requirements to any one of the areas that mr. sarlin just out, would you vote yes for that? >> i would vote no. how outrageous would it be if the trillions of dollars of tax breaks that donald trump and republicans extracted from billionaires and millionaires are untouched and the only thing we deal with are poor people and work requirements for them in
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order to receive relatively small benefits from the federal government, that the absolutely unconscionable. so it just shows you how much of the right wing republican caucus of the republican party is now controlling this discussion. and from my perspective, it's just cruel, it's heartless, by the way, 50% of all children in the united states, 50% will be on food stamps. will be on s.n.a.p. at some point in their lives. can you just imagine, that's what they're putting on the table as a demand in terms of concessions from the democratic party. unacceptable to me. >> i know you call it unconscionable. you say it's cruel. i want to put up what the polling suggests about it, and that's americans broadly think that mostly republicans, but independents, and even 49% of democrats say they support requiring work requirements for medicaid or s.n.a.p. benefits.
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why do you think there is such broad support for this. you tell me, why do you think americans think this is okay? >> well, i would ask when you put up that poll that you also put up the identical poll on tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, and trillions of dollars that have been given to them over the last five years. >> the majority of americans agree that millionaires and billionaires should be taxed as well. >> put it on the table, let's have a reasonable negotiation, let's have all of the causes of the increase in the public debt be discussed. instead, it's a one-way street, and to me, it's just something which is unacceptable, which is why i believe at the end of the day, as a last resort, if they're not reasonable that the president should invoke the 14th amendment, which says that the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law shall not be questioned. authorized by law means that all
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the bills that have ever passed in our country's history that authorized spending have to be honored and the president can invoke that, and just say to them, come back later, if you're ever interested in having a real negotiation. >> i want to ask you about that, but one more on work requirements. if taxes for the very wealthy were also on the table, would you agree to voting for work requirements if there was also a requirement to raise taxes on the very wealthy among us? >> taxes for the very wealthy are never going to be on the table. we know that. any more than cuts in defense spending are ever going to be on the table. the republicans don't want to look at the two main causes for the increases in our public debt, and they want to punish the poorest of society for the conditions that they have very little control over. so it's just so imbalanced in terms of what the negotiation is right now, as we're hearing it, that the 14th amendment should sit there as the last resort,
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but a necessary resort if the republicans are not reasonable, and i don't believe that the right wing republicans in the house of representatives will allow that to happen. >> janet yellen says invoking the 14th amendment would trigger a constitutional crisis, why do you think she's wrong? >> i don't think it's a constitutional crisis. i repeated what the words are. they're clear on their face. the supreme court says that they are texturalists, the six-seat majority which now controls the supreme court, and if they are texturalists, if they read the plain words of the 14th amendment that the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law should be paid. it's very clear, there's no way around it. and if they do that, there will not be a constitutional crisis. it will be the constitution upheld and ultimately going back to regular order with the budget
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and appropriations process for the next congress being the way in which we deal with all of these questions, which the republicans are trying to jam inappropriately into this negotiation. >> there are eleven senators who agree with you, eleven including you, tina smith, blumenthal, ed markey, you have a letter, have you spoken directly to either president biden about this or anyone at the white house? >> well, we've sent a letter to him, and obviously as a result, we are communicating with the white house, and those are the first eleven signatures, that's after 24 hours. i think as people come to understand the 14th amendment and the requirement to pay our pills, that we're going to have not only a lot of additional support amongst democrats in the senate but all across the country because that's the way of avoiding draconian cuts or unconscionable burdens placed
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upon the poorest in our society. >> barring the 14th amendment, do you think democrats should dig in, call the republican's bluff? >> the republicans are bullied, they bullied their way into stealing two supreme court seats. they want to bully their way into using our public debt as a way of extracting unjustified concessions from this congressional process. and we have to stand up to the bullies or else they'll keep coming back over and over and over again. again, that's why the 14th amendment is one of the strategies that we have to seriously consider and if necessary, to ultimately use. >> senator ed markey, we appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. new reporting on dianne feinstein's medical condition and concerns about her ability to serve out her term. what happens if he does end up stepping down? plus, he was warned and he kept on doing it.
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>> she was gone from the senate starting in february when she was hospitalized for singles. they didn't give out a lot of information what was going on in the three months she was away from the senate, but they did say she was suffering from some unnamed complications. there was growing pressure during that time for her to return or resign, given that the nominating judges was backed up in a divided congress in her absence. and she returned last week, we found out through reporting just looking at how she's able to function in this clearly diminished state that the complications were as ramsey hunt, which leads to a paralysis of the face, which you can see in her left eye, and encephalitis, which is a swelling of the brain that can lead to memory issues, language issues, mood disorders, confusion, and is a rare side effect of shingles that is particularly harder for older people to get over. so our reporting showed that
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she's still suffering from this stuff across the board, people i spoke to for this story said, you know, she was really not ready to come back. but was intent on returning to the senate, somewhat aware of the pressure to do so, there were -- given she was so adamant about returning, there were not a lot of people she was speaking to that told her she couldn't or encouraged her to resign. >> what's the talk among the senate about her ability to keep on serving? >> most of her colleagues, you know, think that she shouldn't be here right now, that she's diminished, that she should be focused on getting better, but they also know this woman who's been, you know, an iron will, that has been on display throughout her formidable career, she will not hear about the talk. she wants to be working.
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they're happy to have her vote when she's able to show up at work, but, you know, they're happy to have her vote to move judges forward, but i think there's a lot of sadness among colleagues who have known her for decades who obviously can see this person is suffering, but don't know how to get through to her that there's another option besides continuing to serve. >> she has been a ground breaking lawmaker, one of the first women to serve in congress from state of california for senators. senator schumer, the majority leader released a statement kind of pushing back on all of this, i'm glad that my friend is back in the senate and ready to roll up her sleeves and get to work. after talking with her multiple times over the past few weeks, it's clear she's back where she wants to be. and ready to deliver for california. i mean, it's him pushing back, but also not entirely pushing back. if she does end up resigning, you know, leaving early, what happens in california? where does that seat go?
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is it a special election or is it appointed by the governor? . >> it would be appointed by governor newsome who has said that in this case he would appoint a black woman to the seat. it's a complicated political picture because it's a crowded race. feinstein has announced he's not running for reelection in 2024. it's a crowded race to replace her with a lot of the california representatives running. there's a lot of handicapping the race, if he appointed someone, it would give that person a leg up. it would affect the actual campaign. but i don't have any sense that she is at all open to resigning and, you can see in chuck schumer's statement, he says she's clearly where she wants to be. that's him saying this is her decision, i'm backing her decision. i think that, you know, if she wanted to have a different conversation, he'd be happy to have it. it's not clear what he can do here. i've heard a lot of frustration
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among people who care about her saying he wish he would push harder on her. the stance he's taken while he was talking to her through her recovery, she should listen to her doctors first but when it became clear she desperately wanted to be back here, he was supportive of that decision. if you read that statement closely between the lines, he's kind of just saying i support whatever she wants. >> all right. we're going to watch what happens. annie karni, thank you so much. and two fbi agents who had their security clearances revoked after the january 6th insurrection testified on capitol hill today. what the fbi says they did and what they told congress. first, though, he was told to stop stealing intelligence at least twice before the department of justice says he committed one of the most damaging intelligence leaks in decades. what happened with airman jack teixeira, and why wasn't his clearance revoked the first time he allegedly broke the rules. ree he allegedly broke the rules
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prosecutors say the air national guardsman accused of one of the most damaged intelligence leaks in decades was warned repeatedly by superiors about his handling of classified information. court papers filed by the department of justice revealed jack teixeira was caught taking notes on classified intelligence information and pocketing them. he was also accused of doing quote deep dives on classified info not related to his job but
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was still somehow allowed to keep his access. teixeira who has been in custody since his arrest in april has not yet entered a plea. joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, please make sense of this for us. i wish i could. this was just a stunning revelation in this new memo from the justice department which is arguing to keep teixeira in jail, and he's going to face a judge tomorrow who will decide whether he stays in jail pending trial, but in the course of making the case, the justice department revealed, as you said, that on three different occasions, teixeira was written up by his superiors for doing suspicious things with classified information, for, in one case, taking notes, in another case, doing a quote, deep dive into material he wasn't supposed to access, didn't need it as part of his job, and yet his access wasn't taken away. we know from being in workplaces that often things happen that don't get written up.
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we can only imagine what else people saw. what this makes very clear is that the air force had many chances to stop this leak. had they just simply begun looking at his social media after those incidents, they would have discovered that he was leaking material, and not only that, was also posting racist and extremist things online. so it's really perplexing. it explains a little bit why the air force suspended two of his commanders and why they have stood that unit down from its intelligence. >> they have suspended and done the standing down, and are there going to be broader policy changes here, ken, because, as you said, this just seems stunning? >> it sure looks like it. there's a wholesale examination going on of whether the military is following the basic rules with regard to need to know, and other aspects of handling classified material. what's really unclear is this just a case of gross incompetence on one base or more of a systemic problem, only a widespread review can answer that question. >> ken, hold on one second, i want to bring in our capitol
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hill correspondent ryan nobles on another story that you have some reporting on as well. let's talk about fbi agents who were suspended and had their security clearances revoked. they're calling themselves whistleblowers and they're testifying on capitol hill today about the fbi. ken, first to you, tell us who these men are, and why they had their clearances revoked. >> so two of these star witnesses, steven friend, former fbi agent, no longer with the bureau, and marcus allen who has been suspended without pay, each had their security clearances revoked, and each, according to a letter that we obtained from the fbi to the judiciary committee, each were expressing sympathies for the january 6th rioters, and deep concerns about the fbi, the justice department effort to bring some of those people to justice. in the case of allen, the fbi said he was actively undermining some of those efforts, and then in the case of friend, he refused to go on a s.w.a.t
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operation to essentially arrest one of these accused rioters in florida. then they say he also accessed material and put it on a thumb drive and refused to take necessary security training. both of those men, their clearances have been suspended, they can appeal that decision, but the fbi really sort of raising questions about who these people are and whether they are actually legitimate whistleblowers. >> let's talk about what they're saying to capitol hill, to lawmakers, what's the hearing they're testifying in, and what have they said, ryan? >> reporter: well, this is a hearing of the weaponization subcommittee of the judiciary committee, katy, and its goal, you know, kind of the broad arc of what the chairman jim jordan is trying to establish is there's a systemic problem within the federal government where the federal government is weaponizing its tools to go after political opponents, and they believe that these fbi agents or former fbi agents who they have described as whistleblowers demonstrate how the fbi has been an organ of
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this weaponization effort inside the federal government. and these particular fbi agents and former fbi agents that testified, as ken rightly points out, there's already been an effort to undermine their credibility as a result of their appearance in front of this committee, and steven friend, who we have talked about that, he attempted to pre-butt that during his testimony this morning. >> you may think i'm a political partisan. you may think i'm a grifter. you may think i'm a conspiracy theorist. it does not matter. simply put, this committee should avoid the temptation to impugn the message those before you. i sacrificed my dream job. i ask all the members to do your jobs and consider the merit in what i have presented. >> reporter: and some of the things that they're accusing the fbi of, unfairly going after conservative groups, religious
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groups, pro life activists, people along those lines who they say the fbi specifically and unfairly targeted, people that were just expressing their political beliefs, and the fbi was looking for ways to bring up trumped up charges on them. again, this was their own personal anecdotal recollection, not necessarily direct hard evidence but this is just, you know, a sample of the long list of the things the weaponization committee has been looking into since they formed earlier this year, katy. >> ryan nobles in the sunshine today for us outside of the capitol, and ken dilanian, thank you very much. coming up, deutsche bank settles with jeffrey epstein's accusers for $75 million. what it means for another lawsuit against jpmorgan. plus, catastrophic chase or chaotic ride, what really happened in that harry and meghan paparazzi pursuit according to the taxi driver who picked them up. taxi driver who picked them up
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mohyeldin. -- eamon javers. >> the women are going to get $75,000 as the low end and as much as $5 million at the high end. the allegation in this case was that deutsche bank simply ignored all the warning signs of sex trafficking in the bank that it had access to. there are all sorts of rules and regulations in banking about being aware of potential indicators for sex trafficking, the allegation in the suit was that deutsche bank ignored those warnings and continued to profit from jeffrey epstein, largely because he was a wealthy and powerful guy. now they're settling that case, and this case will go away. it's not the only case like this we're seeing in the financial world. >> jpmorgan, talk to me about that. >> that's another one. no settlement there yet. jpmorgan's allegations are similar here, that jpmorgan was aware of indicators of sex trafficking by jeffrey epstein, and actually even more significant allegations in jpmorgan's case because they're alleging in that case that one
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of the high ranking jpmorgan bankers was close personal friends with jeffrey epstein, traveled to his island and was exchanging hundreds of e-mails with jeffrey epstein, including e-mails with pictures of young women referring to them with apparent code words like snow white and the like. those are ugly allegations that jpmorgan is facing, the ceo jamie dimon is set for a deposition in that case on may 26th. we'll see when jpmorgan decides to do the same thing that deutsche bank did, and settle this or not, or whether they decide to fight it out. jpmorgan has said there's no indication we have participated in this, that they wanted this to happen. this is deeply upsetting what happened to these women but shouldn't be a liability for jpmorgan. >> jpmorgan said they are not liable for the sex traffics of their long-time client epstein. this might be an off the wall question, does jamie dimon normally get deposed? is this a situation that
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something unusual is happening? >> it's unusual in this type of case. to be deposed in a sex trafficking case involving a dead financier of the caliber that we're talking about with jeffrey epstein, the shadow that that man casts, even now, years after his death. he died in prison in 2019, this is a pretty striking thing, and it's clearly deeply uncomfortable for jpmorgan. now, they have every right to defend themselves on the merits and what they're saying is, look, you know, we are not liable for his sex trafficking. he was simply a client of the bank, so the things that happened to these young women were not things we participated in. we feel terrible about it, but it's not our fault, and therefore we're not liable, but the politics of that, and sort of the image making around that and the heat around this case are of a different order. so they may want to settle it. we'll see what they decide to do. may 26th is the jamie dimon deposition in new york city. you know, sometimes you see these depositions just before the ceo has to go in and be held
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accountable for it in front of a group of lawyers and testify under oath. sometimes the settlements come around them. thank you so much. there's about to be a new presidential candidate, one who wants to make a whole lot of restrictions, not just in one state, but the whole country. prince harry says paparazzi just endangered his own life. what happened, according to the taxi driver who picked him up? taxi driver who picked him up?
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collisions with other drivers, pedestrians, and two nypd officers. mayor eric adams called the media irresponsible. >> it would be horrific to lose an innocent bystander during the chase like this and something to have happened like this as well. >> reporter: the mayor cast doubt on some of the details. >> i would find it hard to believe that there was a two-hour high speed chase. >> reporter: a statement from the nypd went further calling the incident challenging but said there were no reported collisions, summons, injuries or arrests. according to three senior law enforcement sources, there was not a chase, but they were being followed. two other sources saying the incident was a bit chaotic, that the nypd was escorting the duke and duchess and the pursuit lasted an hour and 15 minutes. at one point, harry and meghan got into a yellow taxi at a police station, the driver down played being followed. >> with me, it was chaotic but not crazy, crazy, they seemed worried and nervous as well. >> the driver says he took harry
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health care kids can get, what entertainment they can watch, books they can read, and what they can call themselves in school. >> we never did this through all of human history until like, what, two weeks ago. now this is something. they're having third graders decline pronounce. we're not doing the pronoun olympics in florida. it's not happening here. >> joining me is vaughn hillyard. he's going to announce he's running for president, and he has the record behind him, and it's a record floridians like they voted him back in office but they has to get through donald trump and the question is how does he do that? does he do that by being deferential to trump? does he do that by slightly hitting trump? or does he try to take him out whole hog. >> that's the question he hasn't answered because he hasn't taken on donald trump. he suggested over the weekend in iowa there was a culture of losing within the relationship
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but donald trump has turned that on his head. he didn't -- he hasn't said anything about the e. jean carroll verdict. he has only said when it came to his arrest in new york he wouldn't extradite him to new york if donald trump decided to hole down at mar-a-lago and not go back. donald trump has already turned that around noting he endorsed the loser candidate in the kentucky primary this week and then the news today, over disney, not deciding not spend a billion dollars. >> it's a big fight with disney right now and bob iger at the helm is digging in the heels and they pulled the plug on lake nona a billion dollar development in florida. i guess at what point do business interest rates start to push back against this anti-woke agenda he's pushing down there. >> this is supposed to be ron desantis' thing. the florida economy. i mean he can't talk much about
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foreign policy. donald trump served in the white house for four years. this is what he has to show. today, disney is saying they're not going to relocate 2,000 employees from california to florida and are not going to build a billion dollar complex. i mean, they said in the letter, disney, that referenced changing business conditions here, that they still hope to invest further in florida but the quote was that we hope we're able to do so. the difficulty here for ron desantis is that donald trump has turned this on his head tweeting out here that, quote, the culture of losing continues. desanctimonious weakness leads to jobs. donald trump on his social media account foreshadowed this saying it was merely a political stunt by desantis and this would be a slow withdraw from florida. as a fellow floridian resident trump is looking to use this as a weapon against him. >> i wonder from your interactions with the campaign, do they think at some point
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donald trump will take himself out? is that what they're banking on president gap between him and trump is vast. he's leading republicans but if he wants to overcome trump he has to do something that makes voters like him more than trump and nothing has worked, even though he's not officially campaigning, but he's been campaigning for a while. >> right. and look, look at the operation that is surrounding ron desantis. the guy who is leading the super pac jeff roe was ted cruz's campaign manager in 2016. they have a lot of those ted cruz allies from eight years ago. >> they know what happened in 2016, ted cruz not going after donald trump directly did not work. >> until the end, may 3rd that day when he went off calling him a serial fill lander, amoral, at that point it was too late. the question is can they convince this man who is different than ted cruz to run differently. >> thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now.
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