owner of twitter saying that this is a fabricated psyop that you invented. >> yeah, i mean, obviously it is not. the texas police found it and it got leaked to the new york times. but i mean, musk's just entirely kind of flooded in his far-right info space. you know, all of these types who are kind of putting this kind of stuff out there, he's just getting garbage in and garbage out. i don't think it actually understand. >> garbage and, garbage out i think is a good description of the current elon musk method. aric toler, great reporting, thank you for joining us. >> sure thing. >> that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now, good evening alex. i'm up as you can use the name elon musk in the word method. in a sentence. >> well, it is what it is.

i think i said this and someone earlier today, it's a donald trump method. we're whatever vile nonsense appears in your replies, is the fact of the matter. >> right. when the method begins with the with it will get with whatever vile nonsense, you're onto a winner. thanks to you for joining us this evening. it's that time of year when your books come out. everybody gets to pour over pictures of their classmates and quietly judge their haircuts in their senior quotes. these kind of photos are like time capsules in a decade to get to look back and remember when certain classmate seemed so incident innocent other seemed so awkward. and look what has happened since. mullets are back in style, who could've known? well, there was a unique sort of class photo taken in washington. it was for a very small group of people the men and women who have been speaker of the house. that is speaker kevin mccarthy, posing with almost all of his living predecessors, there is

newt gingrich, of course, who was speaker of the house from 1985 to 1999. there is nancy pelosi, who is speaker from 2007 to 2011. and then again taunting to this year. there is john boehner, who is speaking from 2011 to 2015, and there's paul ryan, who is from 2015 to 2019. and then there is kevin mccarthy. the current speaker of the house. if you're wondering about the years 19 99 to 2007, that is when dennis asked speaker of the house, dennis is very much alive. he's not getting invited to these kinds of photo ops after he was convicted of being a serial child molester. so yes, the other former speakers, for all in town this week, to attend the unveiling of paul ryan's official portrait. and just like a lot of other class photos, this one offers a lot of insight about the passage of time. in fact, it's sort of a visual roadmap of how congress ended up in this current crisis. it started back in 1985, when

newt gingrich became the first republican speaker of the house in 40 years. it seems wild to think about now, but for most of the 20th century, democrats controlled the house of representatives. the republican presidencies of eisenhower, nixon, ford and reagan and george h. w. bush, they all had divided government. with democrats controlling at least one chamber of congress. and while there were major policy fights throughout those areas, none of them ever resulted in the kinds of shenanigans and brawls that we see today. in 1985, republicans took back control of the house for the first time since 1955. and their leader, newt gingrich, implemented a new style of house politics, one that prioritized conflict with the white house and with democrats. gingrich was once quoted as saying, one of the great problems we have in the republican party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. to which i say, just you wait,

mister gingrich. just you wait. anyway, during that time, the republican party was able to extract big concessions from democrats. they got spending cuts, work requirements and cuts to the social safety net. and then what could be termed nasty arrow one, culminated in the first impeachment of a u.s. president in modern times, the impeachment of bill clinton. which, by the way, turn the public against republicans and lost them seats in the house. despite that loss, the gingrich model, the nasty model, that stuck. and things became more extreme under the speakership of does john boehner. it was under speaker boehner that the tea party and its extremists first decided to put the gun to the head of the american economy. that standoff ultimately resulted in downgrading the u.s. credit for the very first time in history. which of republicans seem to view as a success, because they did not change their tactics after that.

they got even more extreme. and they forced speaker boehner into resignation. things got even worse under the short-lived speakership of paul ryan, who also resigned in frustration, do you see a pattern here? things get nastier and the speakership gets resigned. which brings me to speaker kevin mccarthy and his situation, the one we're all in now. right now, speaker mccarthy is trying to survive his historically weak speakership, by appeasing an increasingly rebellious conference. so, he is holding the american economy hostage, once again, to try and extract concessions from another democratic president. at the same time, his numbers are suggesting that no concession may ever be enough, after all, this is not gingrich's nasty arrow one. this is mccarthy's master era to. for example, yesterday, the speaker casually suggested that democratic congressman, adam schiff, should be serving in the house anymore. because it's hard to do that kind of thing casually, but

somehow, he did it. and within seconds, a right-wing member of congress had introduced a bill to expel adam schiff. nasty arid to republicans are not casual about expelling democrats. again, another example. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene has spent this entire week, the whole week, introducing articles of impeachment against four different members of the biden administration. she kept off her impeachment blitz today by bringing articles of impeachment against the president of the united states, because she doesn't like the way biden has handled the flow of migrants at the southern border. >> the constitution outlines a very simple process to fire the corrupt officials, serving in the federal government, impeachment. matthew graves, christopher wray, merrick garland, alejandro mayorkas and joe biden. or all corrupt and unfit to hold office, and they all must be impeached. this concludes impeachment

week. >> this concludes impeachment week. remember when republicans would just impeach the president of the united states and leave it there? now, they have to impeach nearly the whole cabinet to. which makes this particularly odious for speaker mccarthy, particularly bonkers for his conference, because marjorie taylor greene is not some fringe lunatic. not anymore, anyway. the congresswoman who has aligned herself with january 6th insurrectionists, she is now also considered an ally of the speaker of the house. the two of them have cemented the path between what is left of the republican house establishment, and the parties radical right-wing. so, this is the party, this is the gop, this is where they are now. newt gingrich would be proud. joining us now, california democratic congressman, ro khanna. thank you so much for being here, congressman. it was a short trip down memory lane that we were treated our audience to.

>> accurate. >> one of the things we should talk about in terms of what is happening right now in the house, is not the likelihood of joe biden being impeached, but the way in which impeachment, if you impeach everybody all the time, you make impeachment meaningless. and it feels like that's what's happening here on the heels of donald trump being impeached twice in the house on ukraine in on january 6th. this is the come up once the democrats get, do you read that same way? >> i do, they didn't campaign on impeachment, they knew that the voters would never have given them a house majority campaign inning on that. now, they're doing that because of the extreme right wing. this is terrible politics for them. there's absolutely nothing to impeach president biden on. they are just making this up out of retribution, there are hundreds of reasonable republicans who know it's terrible politics, they can't do anything. >> isn't it somewhat sly, in the way of neutralizing impeachment as an actual

punishment? tonight i mean? if you keep saying it and doing it all the time, it renders it meaningless. and effectively, useless. do you think we are at risk of impeachment becoming meaningless, because of what's happening with the republican conference? >> i do think that's part of their goal. which is to say, we're gonna do it to president biden to diminish the actual crimes, the actual serious wrongdoing that president trump had. that was not an easy vote for many of us with donald trump. in fact, if you remember, the speaker pelosi held out for the longest time, we did not want to do. it was just some compelling overwhelming evidence that we felt that we had to do it. and there's no comparison between that in ordinary politics. i would never have said, let's impeach ronald reagan or bush senior. this -- they're just trying to muddy the waters, to say, everyone does. it people know the truth, president biden, when everything meets politics, he's a decent human being. dedicated his life to public service. >> to some degree, they

telegraphed, during the trump impeachments, that this would happen. they would always invoke the specter of potentially hunter biden and his laptop. somehow, the sentence always ended in, wait till democrats in office and we impeach him or her. to some degree, we could see this coming. i, myself, i wonder what you think of this, i am surprised at the eye for an eye strategy that they seem to be employing, look at the example of george santos. george santos, 13 criminal charges against him. members of his own new york delegation where republican saying, you've gotta get this guy at a here. and yet, the republican conference, at large, it is unwilling to admit that this person has no place in congress. instead, the same week that santos is up for expulsion, adam schiff. that's who we're gonna kick out. i am shocked that no turn doesn't deserve another. in terms of the republican seeking retribution for literally anything and everything. >> this is become their modus operandi, that is why it's so

scary that donald trump could be their nominee. i mean, his second term we just be vengeance. and you have no norms, this is what we criticize in other countries. that people keep putting their prime ministers in jail, or jailing their opposition leaders. here, we have norms. we have a rule of law. we had said we have a process. what is happened, is we had a president, donald trump, who broke all those norms. broke all those rules. instead of saying we're gonna hold him accountable, and move on, instead of having mcconnell convict trump, instead of having mccarthy stand up against, him mccarthy, these people thought trump would just go away. i know, i used to hear that from them. they just not, he'll go away. there have to do anything. they did have the guts when he was at 30% in the polls to actually convict him. now, he's come back. now, they're beholden to him, because mccarthy needed his intervention to get the votes. >> i think what's surprising in the santos as an example, it's not even about trump. it's the vengeance in grievance

that are central to the dna of trumpism, that live long past whatever power trump has. that is now central to republican ideology. george santos is not donald trump's ally. he's a necessary congressional vote for kevin mccarthy who will literally do anything to keep that speakers gavel. he's also become a talisman for republican grievance, they need to have another victim. if george santos is going to be taken out of congress. i do have to ask, looking at the blockers nature of the republican conference, how you're looking at this debt ceiling negotiations? a lot of people are saying, this conference has so waco, so uninterested actual governance, why should the president of the united states be bargaining with their representative, kevin mccarthy, directly. why should he make any concessions to people who did not have the interest of american voters and heart. why doesn't use the 14th amendment? why doesn't he use anything, something, but don't negotiate with terrorists.

>> he shouldn't, let me just say. >> if you are the 40 the minute, let me explain why in a very simple way. we should not be negotiating in this country about whether we pay our debts. america should paradise. this is not a congress against the president. this is a congress trying to overrule what past congresses have already told the president to spend. so, he has every authority to say, congress, you told me to spend this money. i'm not going to default on americas debts. we're a patriotic nation. it's patriotic to pay our bills. and i'm gonna pay the bills. let them sue. let them sue and take it to the court. last time, they did the shenanigans, the stock market dropped 15%. in 2011. here's the thing -- >> they thought was a hostage work taking. in the eyes of mitch mcconnell, it was all worth it. >> but because we're so eloquent in your history, when president clinton stood up to the republicans, that was bad politics for them. when president obama in 2013

called their bluff and stood up, that would bet was bad politics from them. i think if president biden says, i'm gonna do the patriotic duty in america we pair debts, i'm gonna pay them. challenge me in the courts. i don't think that they're gonna win on that argument. separately, we can discuss how to reduce our deficits. we have plans for them, let's tax the wealthy and repeal the trump tax cuts. let's make sure we don't have a trillion dollar defense budget. let's make sure that we have prescription drug negotiations. the deficits are reagan, bush, trump that have created a lot of the deficits. i'm not saying we haven't done some of it, but more of the deficit's been republican run. >> i have to ask you, as we're talking about who was in congress and who is not, diane feinstein. senator from california, there's new reporting from the new york times about the degree of illness she has suffered well she's been out with shingles. the reporting is that she has been disoriented and really questionably serving in congress for sometime now. what needs to happen here?

>> first, let me say i admire her career. she has had an extraordinary career. but it said, for anyone to see, and it's sad for her own colleagues to see. i am hopeful that people were close to her can talk to her and just say, look, and your service with dignity, step aside, let the governor appoint somebody. it's a painfully obvious to people, i went out and i said something that many people are thinking. >> do you think that's gonna happen? >> i hope so. i think for her own dignity, for her own career, for her own legacy, it would be good. it would be good for california. we all have seen an athlete who plays one or two more seasons, that's what they started out out at. now it's just painful. it's painful to watch. i know there are people who are close to her, i don't think it should be forceful, i think they should have a loving conversation about it being time. >> california democratic congressman, roe khanna, thanks so much for joining us tonight,

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the victims were all women over the age of 70, and among them, where a mother and her daughter. on tuesday, it happened in san antonio. and then again today in san antonio. two mass shootings in the same city in less than 48 hours. in the past seven days, there have been 17 mass shootings in america. according to a new axios ipsos poll, gun violence is now the top public health concern among americans. more than covid, more than cancer, more than smoking, more than fentanyl. gun violence is the number one health concern in the entire country. period. and what is congress focused on? policing trans girls parted participation in school sports, or at least, that's the priority for house republicans. who passed a bill last month to block trans women and girls from women sports. and yet, if you squint your eyes hard enough, all hope is not lost. today, senator raphael warnock,

alongside some of his colleagues in the senate in the house, held a press conference demanding action. >> we can't wait another 30 years for congress to pass meaningful common sense gun safety legislation. and we can't wait for the next headline. the next tragic flash point. because there is a profound way in which these tragedies are happening every single day. >> joining us now, senator raphael warnock of georgia. senator warnock, thank you for being here this evening. i was not aware of this statistic and i wonder what you think of it, gun owners more likely identify as republicans, they are white, they are male and they live in rural areas. almost half of white men in this country, 48%, say they own a gun. we talked a lot about the

intransigence over gun safety reform as being a result of the nra, it seems to me, until the actual demographics of gun ownership change, it's possible this issue keeps running into roadblocks. do you think that has anything to do with this? >> well, good to be here with you tonight, alex, as we were pointing out earlier today in this press conference, we are confronted with a very serious and critical issue around gun violence. i began to raise this issue in the congress most recently a couple weeks ago. because, as we were witnessing all of the kind of carnage that you just described, day after day, and the terrible flash points like what we saw in nashville, tennessee. there was reticence and radio silence in congress. and i'm afraid that we have normalized this kind of carnage happening every single day in america, the good news, most americans red, yellow, white,

brown and black, everybody on both sides of the aisle, nearly 90% of americans, feel that we need to pass universal background checks. there's a path to getting there. -- quite frankly doesn't reflect what's going on in the country. >> do you think, i mean, the base of the republican party, a lot of the reason nothing gets done in congress because this does not seem to be issue of utmost importance for republicans. when you look at who owns guns, it's white, male republicans in rural areas. that's a core part of the republican base. do you think that there's a connection between those two things? >> i think there is a lot of misinformation around this whole issue around gun safety. the fact of the matter is, this year, we have seen mass shootings in 38 states. in the district of columbia.

those are red states and blue states and rural communities. and urban centers. but we've seen mass shootings that create these kinds of flash points, but every single day in urban areas, black and brown communities, witness a kind of carnage which, if you cumulatively, it is a mass shooting. every single day. so, what we've got a, do we have to close ranks. we've got to remember the covenant we have with one another. and if we can't keep our own children safe, what in the world are we doing? what i'm focused on right now, undoing, trying to bring together my colleagues, on both sides of the aisle, we passed bipartisan gun safety legislation last summer. it was modest, but meaningful. it emphasized mental health care. expanding or supporting background checks, it's not nearly enough, and what we've got to do is think about what is it that we can do to build

on that progress, we can't wait another single day. we certainly can't wait 30 years to get some more legislation passed. >> yeah, that modest but meaningful reform they talk about came after the shooting in uvalde, texas. where 19 students and two teachers were killed. it seems like the slaughter of children is often an inflection point for indignation and sometimes very occasionally, actually legislation. but i mean, when you think about what changed most around the school shootings, it is that we've passed gun safety reform measures, it's that now all of our children have to do active shooter drills. i mean, i as a parent, i know your parent to, we both have six-year-old, i find it abhorrent that that's the change we made as a culture. get kids used to the idea that someone may come into the classroom and shoot them to death. >> absolutely. i'm of the father of a six-year-old in a four-year-old, ironically, last week, as i was pushing my own colleagues to step up in this moment, to do more, i literally left the

majority leader's office, an hour later, there was an active shooter situation in atlanta, which left my own children in a lockdown. folks are saying that this is about freedom. it's a strange freedom that leaves our children on any random day in a lockdown, mass shootings every single day is not the cost of freedom. it's the cost of blind obstinance. it's the cost of demagoguery. it's the cost of greed. we have to do better than this. dr. king used to say, we start to die the day we become silent. about the things that matter. we are literally dying, physically and spiritually. as we normalize this kind of carnage in everyday american life. and the fact that we can't get moving in the congress on something for which there's nearly 90% agreement among americans, means we have a democracy problem.

the voices of the people are being squeezed out of their democracy, which is why i ran in the first place. and i'm doing the best i can on this and other issues to help the people get their voices back. if we can do, that we can get a reasonable common sense gun laws passed. >> i have to ask you, as someone who knows well the inside of a church, and i spent a lot of time there, longer than you had inside the halls of congress, i think you understand part of the force that animates american life. use the word normalized a couple times in this interview. i agree with you, i think the violence is being normalized in american culture. i don't usually compare the united states to serbia, but three weeks ago, there were mass shootings in serbia, and three weeks ago, literally tens of thousands of people came out and protested and handed in 6000 guns. people gave up their arms. because they would not and could not abide the violence that was starting to blossom in their country.

that is an unthinkable thing to happen in the united states of america. why do we hold on to these guns knowing what they are doing to our children, to our society? >> it's a very good question. again, there is much more agreement among americans on universal background checks, on banning assault weapons, ayanna whole range of things, then we see reflected in the legislation that's getting passed in congress. we have a problem, we have a broken this in our democracy. where the chasm between what americans want, their differences notwithstanding, and what they're able to get done in their government is growing wider and wider. that's what we have to address. we've got to address this issue, this kind of broken this in our democracy, where the people's voices are squeezed out.

i mean think about, it as divided as we are, and we, are there are differences. there's nearly 90% agreement among americans, according to a fox news poll. that we should have universal background checks. and we still can't get it? this is the work that i'm trying to get my colleagues to get focused on. we passed bipartisan gun safety legislation last summer, i'm not about to give up we can build on that work and get something done for a children. >> it is noble work, senator, let it not be fruitless. but look in the fight, thank you for time today, senator raphael warnock of georgia, appreciate. >> keep the faith. >> coming up, republicans on -- house republicans, republicans on republicans. republicans are laser focused on the woke lives inside the fbi. is that actually a thing? that is next.

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of this anti conservative deep state agenda, inside the fbi, his evidence was these guys. men whom jordan called whistleblowers. okay. here's one of those so-called whistleblowers. former fbi s.w.a.t. team member, steven friend, explaining why he believes the fbi suspended him. >> my suspension documented that i got from the fbi's human resource is -- one of which being my refusal to participate in lawful arrests, which was the january 6th, which again, i didn't refuse to participate in, i said that i have a conflict of interest. the clutches objection, -- >> before i get into the substance of what mr. friend is saying, here, it is important taken note moment to acknowledge that mr. floyd is saying this on the russian state propaganda network, our t. and this clip is from december, which was nearly a year into russia's war of aggression in ukraine. and this is mr. friends network

of choice. anyway, let us look at the arrest for which mr. friend claims he was a conscientious objector. the new york times reports, mr. friend declined to join an arrest on august 24th in jacksonville, florida. justice department records show only one of january six related arrest in the jacksonville area on august 24th, for a man named tyler -- here's what he wore on january 6th at the u.s. capitol. tactical vest, a military style helmet, goggles and a gas mask. he carried a chemical irritant on the front of his vest. the justice department alleges, mr. -- is a self-described supporter of the far-right militia group, the three percenters. you can see him with the other alleged three percenters here at the entrance of a tunnel to the capital. allegedly, heave-ho-ing with the crowd to push past police. the justice department further alleges, he used his chemical irritant to spray the face of a, quote, unknown member of the crowd, even though that person posed no threat to him.

so that's the person mr. friend seems to have a conscientious objection to arresting. congressman jordan's whistleblower number two, this guy. suspended fbi staff operation specialist, marcus allen. ellen had his top secret security clearance revoked, not only because he had, quote, espoused alternative theories about january 6th, or because the fbi believed mr. allen had raised sufficient concerns about his allegiance to the united states, in addition to those things, the fbi revoked mr. allen's security clearance because of an incident where allen had been assigned to determine whether a person in the fbi was investigating had been involved in any criminal activity on january 6th. mr. allen reported that he didn't find anything on this person. but when another agent looked into the matter, that agent found that the person they've been investigating had physically assaulted u.s. capitol police officers on january 6th. so, those are the first to jim jordan's blockbuster whistleblowers. here is number three.

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mccord, forming acting insistent attorney general for national security at the doj. she's also a co-host of the msnbc podcast, prosecuting donald trump. thank you guys both, for being here. peter, as a former fbi agent, i must ask you about this idea that the fbi is a hotbed of deep state liberalism. tour falls. >> alex, absolutely false. it's been within 20 years in the organization, it's absolutely a conservative organization, whether it's politically, in terms of its view of law and order, whether it's in terms of broadly in a societal sense. it's not something that's talked about. it's just the culture, one that's generally conservative, but it's not people sitting there and have political discussions over the lunch table. to assert, in any way, shape, or form, but it's a hotbed of liberalism is absurd. nothing can be further from the truth nothing could be further

from the truth, not only was it a hotbed of liberalism, but in fact. a sight of an unnamed fbi official warning last year, or before the january 6th attack, we learned of this last year that an fbi official warned that there is a best sizable percentage of the employee population of january 6th, of the fbi that felt sympathetic to the group that stormed the capitol. i'm getting my timing wrong all over the place. here just to repeat this reporting, there is a warning that a sizeable portion of the fbi employee in population was sympathetic to the january 6th insurrection. that doesn't stop of liberalism, it is to something entirely different. can you elaborate? >> it's been troublesome reporting ever since it came out. i think that there's still a big difference between some people in the fbi, and might've that, okay, there are people

that believe there was fraud in the election. some of those people got swept up in the. it's a difference between members of the fbi that might think, that and others like the men you were speaking about before the break, later testifying today on capitol hill. they could actually appear, from the reporting, and from what has been reported about the letter that the fbi sent to jim jordan about why their security clearances were revoked, that reporting suggests are far more than sympathy. sympathy is concerning, but it actually suggests that active measures were taken to try and suppress investigations into january 6th attackers. and also, not cooperating with the arrest of somebody for whom there is an arrest warrant. those types of things are very concerning. i would hope and belief that that is not the predominant view among the fbi, as pete said. it's a conservative

organization generally. i think that the lean to think it is a hotbed of liberalism is quite the opposite of what it is. i have these views we are hearing today are quite the minority. >> peter, on that note, it's not just that these men are proposed -- it's not that there is nothing, their security clearances are being revoked, punitive measures taking against the so-called whistleblower's, but in the same turn, jim jordan, is the chair of the oversight committee, is lauding them as brave americans and heroes. these are people that potentially didn't investigate insurrectionists that objected to the arrest, who hid investigative activity. that's deeply problematic for the fbi. what did you make of the way in which those problematic behaviors were flipped on their head entirely by the chair of the congressional oversight committee today? >> yes, it is concerning. the one thing the fbi needs is some hyper partisan congressman

trying to take the fbi's actions, the fbi's employees, and tried to make it into a one side versus the other organization. look, in defense of the fbi, the fact of the matter is really, complex investigations and prosecutions of the oath keepers, of the proud boys have taken place with the fbi investigators working with the doj, and have been successfully prosecuted. involving investigational across the united states. by and large, the vast majority of the fbi is doing their job, without fear of favor, and just pursuing the facts wherever they live. the problem is, the fbi's a large organization. with 35,000 people, you're going to find people on both extremes. when you get people like congressman jordan who select these people that are on the far right with really outrageous behaviors that we use the clearance, you have it revote. not suspended, but revoked. gone forever. you have to really engage in rhetoric extremely dangerous behavior. for jim jordan to take this

people, to take that behavior and somehow try into champion that is what is to be expected, or should be expected. it's really sending the wrong message to the american people. it is absolutely nothing, i'm sure that the fbi wants to hear from them. >> and peter, the second part of that is that he is using them as a thing against the fbi. it appears to be working, at least if you listen to right-wing media. laura ingraham said that i don't know anybody that trust the fbi anymore. this is coming on the heels of the durham report. this purportedly wasn't exposé on at the investigators investigate action out of investigating. i just wonder what you think that the endgame here is here, given that we're talking with the fbi and illegitimately a phrase out there that people are repeating, and it goes something like defund the fbi. what is the endgame for republicans? >> the endgame is to try to neuter any kind of possibility of investigations of trump. multiple things going on today with jack smith, whether he's

relaying it to trump, whether it is the things in the special counsel, the mar-a-lago document process, all of the january 6th activities. the goal is to undermine support of the fbi so that they can't effectively pursue any kind of investigation of donald trump. it's not going to work. the problem, of course, these fbi agents, access fbi agents that we saw, have some of these extreme views. the question is, where did they hear them? the answer is, in many cases, they heard them from places like fox news. you get the sort of echo chamber, or fox and others were promulgating these crazy theories. agents and others are listening to them, and believing them. and under turning up on these same shows to further amplify and bounce right back into that ecosystem. it is a dangerous cycle, but at the end of the day. the goal is to make it harder for the fbi to pursue any investigations or violations of the law surrounding donald trump. >> mary, i wonder what you

think about that? we know from some reporting in the washington post that there was a disagreement behind fbi field agents and doj prosecutors over the search of donald trump's property down at mar-a-lago. do you think that this new narrative that is emerging about the fbi being somewhat intake conservative will affect its ability, or its desire to investigate all corners of trump's potential criminal wrongdoing? >> i really don't, because i agree with pete here. it's a huge organization, i think that most of the agents, i worked with fbi for more than 20 years in my career at the department of justice. i can say that we did not have political conversations. i didn't feel like anybody was making any decision for grandson. i was not investigating the former president of the united states. i was involved in some pretty sensitive estimations. i guess that i should not say that i was not investigating the former president of the united states, because pete and i were both involved in the russian investigation while we are still in government. my point is that i never saw

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