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feel about that american birthright curriculum. >> reporter: sarah says she was placed on administrative leave after she spoke out at a school board meeting. she is among the nearly 40% of high school staff who won't be returning in the fall according when the board voted to extend superintendent ken witt's contract, hundreds of community members lined up in the rain. david resterholt is the school board president. >> we're the first ones and only ones at this point to do it. >> reporter: what's in the curriculum that made you want to bring it here. >> the vast majority of people who support, that we hear from, i hear from, they are so confident to have it put back in there. when i graduated a vast majority of the graduates were proud to be americans and we want to see that happen again because we live in the freest, greatest country in the world. >> reporter: antonia hilton, nbc
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news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. >> at this hour, a $3 billion accounting error by the pentagon could mean more military equipment for ukraine. how exactly that happened, next. there are mounting concerns in washington about the health of california senator dianne feinstein as we learn about new details about her rocky road to recovery following multiple health challenges. how her colleagues on both sides of the aisle are responding now. plus, 2024 presidential candidate nikki haley drawing a hard line in the sand with her former boss donald trump over january 6th, pushing back on the former president's claim that it was, quote, a beautiful day, saying that rioters who broke the law should pay the price. and do your jobs, a new poll from the ap could be a wake-up call for congress and the president, with 66% of americans
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saying they are extremely or very concerned about what happens if leaders in washington don't strike a deal on the debt ceiling. our nbc reporters are following all the latest developments for us. we begin right there with the latest on the debt ceiling standoff with nbc news chief white house correspondent kristen welker, we're getting word from the hill that one of kevin mccarthy's debt ceiling negotiators just said today, they are pressing pause on negotiations because it's not been productive. what are you hearing from your sources from the white house? >> reporter: well, chris, taking a step back, it is not unusual for high stakes talks to hit a snag in the 11th hour. it's a way for both sides to go back to their respective parties and say, hey, we are fighting for our key priorities. the question is, is that what we are witnessing right now or is something bigger going on, and working our sources on both sides of pennsylvania avenue, i can tell you that there seems to be a consensus that the sticking
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points, major sticking points right now are about spending caps. we know that republicans want deep spending cuts. the white house not on board with that, they say that would slash some of the president's key priorities. here's what republican house speaker kevin mccarthy had to say just moments ago in talking to our own garrett haake, take a look. >> we've got to get movement by the white house. we don't have any movement yet. we're going to pause. >> you sounded secretly optimistic yesterday. >> yesterday i really felt we were at the location where i could see the path. the white house is just -- look, we can't be spending more money next year. we have to spendless than we spent the year before. it's pretty easy. >> reporter: now, what we're also witnessing, chris, is that both sides are really trying to also project calm. you have a republican source saying that they don't believe this is a fatal pause. i spoke to a democratic source who said the hope is this is
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only a pause, that talks are not actually going to be derailed. let me read you a little bit of what we got from the white house which released a statement saying in part, quote, there are real differences between the parties on budget issues, and talks will be difficult. the president's team is working hard towards a reasonable bipartisan solution that can pass the house and senate, and of course, chris, i'm here traveling with the president at hiroshima, i can tell you we are about a full day ahead. when officials here went to bed, they were projecting confidence that these talks were moving in the right direction. so we have to stress that this is not something that either side was necessarily anticipating. we also know that it does come on the heels of what we witnessed yesterday where you had some progressive lawmakers who were urging the white house not to compromise on their key priorities, namely work requirements for social safety net, programs for food and housing assistance. they were saying that the president should try to raise the debt ceiling unilaterally by invoking the 14th amendment. of course even the treasury
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secretary has said that move could cause a constitutional crisis. the question becomes when will we see talks resume? that remains a key question mark. my sources telling me at this time no talks scheduled. that doesn't mean that couldn't change on a dime. >> kristen welker at 3:00 in the morning in japan. thank you so much for being with us. let's go to capitol hill and nbc's ali vitali, one of the things we have talked about is whether or not, as time moved on, whether more and more of the republican candidates would start to go after donald trump, would start to break with some of the other people who were running. what are we seeing from nikki haley? >> reporter: we're seeing just that, and it's going to be interesting watching the ways and places that these republican candidates try to differentiate and contrast against the front runner in the field right now, former president donald trump. for nikki haley, she's choosing to do it on the issue of january 6th. here's what she said just this week in iowa. watch.
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>> you know, what i will say about january 6th, i will continue to say it was a terrible day. it was not a beautiful day. it was a terrible day. and we don't ever want that to happen again. i think any person related to january 6th should be tried fairly. if they broke the law, they should pay the price. i don't know enough about each individual, but that's my role, if you break the law, you pay the price. i think that's the way we need to look at it. >> reporter: that is not the way, though, that everyone looks at it, including the former president. we know from that cnn town hall last week that he not only called january 6th in some ways a beautiful day and has regularly down played what happened on that day at the capitol as well as his role in it, but then he also went so far as to say that he would likely pardon a large majority of the people who are currently being processed through the legal system and charged with things
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they did illegally on the 6th. so it's a real split point, a real inflection point in the field on this issue. we always knew it was going to be that. look, for hailey, this has been a thorny issue. she did condemn the former president and the role he could have potentially play in making the 6th happen, but then of course in later weeks and months, she still said that trump should be part of the republican party and sort of down played, again, the role that he played on january 6th. she's been on a few sides of this. we're watching her most recent comments here as voters ask her what she's going to do on this issue. now to the growing concerns over the health of dianne feinstein, the oldest member of the senate at 89. it sparked debate, should she resign or the is the suggestion sexist. garrett haake has more from the hill. what can you tell us about the senator and how her colleagues
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have been reacting as she's been back a few days now. >> reporter: democrats were glad to have senator feinstein back last week. she missed 90 votes over a three-month span. it was quickly clear that her health problems were not behind her. her office disclosed that she has something called ramsey hunt syndrome. that reads to the facial paralysis she has been suffering from, and she dealt with encephalitis, swelling of the brain after she was released from the hospital back in march. it has led, as you said, to a new round of questions about kind of her fitness to continue in this job. she has missed some votes even since she has been back in washington but she's been in the judiciary committee where democrats need her the most, and members of that panel, democrat and republican alike have been defending her saying she's here doing her job. take a listen to what we heard from senators. >> we're all human, and we all
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have health issues, and she is performing as a united states senator doing her job. >> she deserves better than this, and if you think she ought to resign, and you think that these things that they're all saying anonymously are true, then by god go to amazon and buy a spine online and stand up and say it publicly. be a man or be a woman. don't do it behind the lady's back. she deserves better. >> reporter: so, chris, there have been two undercurrents, worth pointing out. one is the idea that this is sexist. some of feinstein's defenders have made this point time and time again, strong thurman who was 100 years old by the time he retired, any number of elderly male senators over the last couple of years. we've had senators who have missed time for health issues. mitch mcconnell was out five weeks after recovering from a concussion. chuck grassley is three months
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younger than dianne feinstein. the defenders argue there is a double standard for a female senator than there is for a male. the other part of this, feinstein has announced she's not seeking reelection. there's a three-way big deal primary underway in california to replace her, and so some of the voices calling for her to resign may have skin in the game so to speak about who gets appointed to replace her and when and how that primary all shakes out. a lot of factors here, all worth being watched over the next couple of months, along with, of course, the senator's health. >> garrett haake, thank you for that. now to that big accounting error at the pentagon that could actually be good news for ukraine. nbc's courtney kube joins us from the pentagon with the latest. what can you tell us about this, courtney? >> reporter: we're talking about upwards of $3 billion here. essentially what happened is this is part of the presidential drawdown authority process, the pda, that we have been hearing about for a year now. this is the weapons and equipment that the u.s. takes
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from military stockpiles and provides to ukraine. we hear about a pda every two or three weeks with more equipment, and associated with it, they'll give us a rough idea of how much that package costs. what we have learned is that during some sort of an accounting process where they were looking back at these past presidential drawdown authority packages, they realized that in some cases, they were taking the cost of the equipment as it would be today as opposed to, in many cases, this equipment is 20 years old or even older, as opposed to what the military paid for it at the time. so when they've adjusted the total amounts back to the actual cost of the equipment they're providing, they found there's a $3 billion difference, which they're now saying, according to the pentagon will now be used for future presidential draw down authority packages, essentially giving them an additional $3 billion. what i have to point out here, chris, is even though there is this additional money they will use for future pdas for
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equipment for ukraine, it doesn't change the fact that much of the equipment and the weapons that are being taken out of u.s. military stockpiles still do have to be replaced and the cost still is the inflated amount that the u.s. would be paying for them today. so that hasn't changed. it's just the way that they're accounting for how much equipment they're actually giving to ukraine. it's kind of confusing. >> thank you so much. as the war in ukraine tops the g7 agenda in japan, the arab league summit gets underway with president zelenskyy and another surprising guest paying a visit. but first, chilling police body cam footage that shows officers taking down the new mexico gunman. we're back in 60 seconds. new mexico gunman. we're back in 60 seconds (woman) with verizon's new myplan, i get exactly what i want. and only pay for what i need. (man) now i'm in charge... ...of my plan. (vo) introducing myplan from verizon. you get exactly what you want and only pay for what you need. and it all starts at just $30. it's your verizon. ♪♪ allergies don't have to be scary.
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meet in japan, leaders across the middle east are in saudi arabia for the annual arab league summit. president zelenskyy plans to meet with both powerful groups looking to unite the east and west against russian aggression. in a speech to arab leaders today, zelenskyy making an unannounced in-person visit acknowledged the mixed support for ukraine, reminding them that the muslims in crimea were among the first victims of russian occupation. in the audience was another surprise guest, bashar al assad, the syrian auto accurate and putin ally whose brutal crackdown foreshadowed's russia's tactics in ukraine. raf sanchez is following the summit from tel aviv, and also with us, admiral james staph -- stavridis. while zelenskyy is describing war crimes in ukraine, you have bashar al assad, an international pariah who used chemical weapons on his own
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people, at least according to the hague, what was his reception like today? >> he was welcomed back at the arab league as if the last ten years of bloodshed hadn't happened. i was texting with a syrian friend, the last rebel held province in syria, he was saying i do not understand how these arab leaders can choose to forget everything assad has done in recent years. he was suspended from the arab league in 2007 because his security forces kept gunning down, no one knew at the time that that was just the beginning and the years that would follow, assad's forces would use chemical gas on their own people and with the help of vladimir putin's russia, they would destroy whole cities in their quest to take control of syria again. and yet assad appears to have largely won this war, and so the
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arab league is welcoming him back. he was greeted by crown prince mohammed bin salman, assad was pictured shaking hands with the presidents of egypt, the presidents of tunisian, and as you said, there was just a deep deep irony to assad being there at the same time as president zelenskyy because so many of those tactics, those scorched earth tactics that russia is using in ukraine were pioneer ed in syria where the russian army, alongside the syrian regime flattened cities like aleppo. now, we also have seen assad joining this kind of rogue's gallery of leaders from countries like belarus, like north korea, like iran, who have just been in absolute lock step with vladimir putin since the beginning of this war. assad regularly parrots the kremlin's propaganda about
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zelenskyy being a neo-nazi, how the ukrainians are the ones committing atrocities. for him to be there at the same time that zelenskyy is appealing to the arab world to take what he called an honest look at what's happening on the ground in ukraine is a bitter irony for people both in syria and ukraine, chris. >> admiral, the devastating earthquake in syria back in february does appear to have changed the situation for assad. some sanctions lifted, new diplomatic channels opened, now this summit, what do you make of his reemergence on the world stage? >> well, first it's shameful. if you look at syria pre-war population, 21 million, probably 10 million are displaced inside syria. another 6 million pushed out. i think the death toll at the hands of this dictator probably north of 600,000 of his own people killed, so horrific in my view, and shameful that he is
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welcomed. there's no coherent reason that i can give for suddenly saying, oops, last ten years, that didn't really matter. what it does is it puts an ear listeners. take ak, aleppo, it's a city that was literally carpet bombed by unfortunately, putin is going to take up that same set of tactics in ukraine. so this is not a good day for those of us who support ukraine in the west. those of us who value human rights. it's a very dark day in my view. >> this is also a big day, right, for saudi arabia, who has taken a growing diplomatic role in the world stage recently. the kingdom also still has close ties to russia. talk about the influence they have right now when it comes to
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the war in ukraine? >> indeed. mbs, mohammed bin salman has been taking his nation and drawing closer and closer, not only, by the way, to vladimir putin, but also to china. very consciously seeking to displace u.s. influence in the middle east, and that is not good news, for example, for israel. our strongest partner. a fellow democracy. and so when you put all of that together, it is diminishment of western influence, and worth noting the u.s. has been trying very hard to work with the arab states and other members of opec to try and keep oil prices at a reasonable level because that frustrates vladimir putin in his war efforts. this kind of showing drawing closer to vladimir putin by embracing one of his awful
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puppets in the form of assad, again, puts a lot of uplift to vladimir putin and makes it harder for those of us trying to support ukraine going forward. i'll close with this, chris, very happy to see volodymyr zelenskyy go into that gathering, put some counter balance into those conversations and i think you're going to see president zelenskyy make a real effort in the global south. nigeria, brazil, pakistan, india, they're a huge group of nations that are really not aligned yet, and i think zelenskyy can be a strong force to try and hold them toward the right cause here, which is that of the ukrainians. >> he has definitely shown there is no place he won't go to try to get support for his people. admiral james stavridis, raf sanchez, thank you so much. the death toll from the
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powerful cyclone that hit myanmar has grown to 145, including 117 members of the rohinga minority. we don't know yet the toll in the rest of the country. cyclone mocha made landfall on sunday with winds up to 130 miles per hour. it also hit neighboring bangladesh, crushing thousands of shelters in the world's largest refugee camp. new and disturbing body cam police footage showing the take down of the new mexico shooter. what police say it reveals, that's next. reveals, that's next.
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police have released dramatic new body camera footage showing the moment a gunman was fatally shot by police, ending a mass shooting that killed three elderly women, injuring two police officers. we want to warn you some of this video may be disturbing. >> i'm shot. >> you can hear on the video the sounds of 18-year-old beau wilson opening fire in his neighborhood. so many shots, according to the police chief, several residents believe there were actually multiple shooters. joining me now is steve
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patterson and msnbc law enforcement analyst, and retired seattle police chief, carmen best. have police determined a motive for this attack, and what are we hearing from the family? >> right off the bat, no, police have not determined a motive. you have to imagine with everything said and done that this would become the primary focus of the investigation. we did learn a whole lot more about the shooter's mental state, according to the police chief with the video that you showed, harrowing video, and a whole lot of context that we got from police to accompany it. first, that firsthand account, it shows the perspective of two officers approaching the suspect on foot as shots are ringing out, going through that neighborhood, and as you showed, one of them goes down. that is one of two officers that was injured. now, according to police, the suspect had something of a death wish. he was shouting at police, and you can hear it on that video, essentially taunting police to come and shoot him. the police officer found what amendments to a suicide note on his person and the detail that
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he actually removed his body armor in the final moments before police approach. the chief spoke a little bit more about that and his mental state, here's what he told us. listen to this. >> when he's making the decision to take off his body armor because we don't know where he is at the final moments, he's making a stand, and he has opportunities to run off. he does not use those opportunities, so, yes, it's my belief that ultimately in his head, he's made a decision that he's going to stand and fight it out until he's killed. >> to answer your question about family reaction, we heard from a family friend of the suspected shooter who said that he always knew something bad like this would happen. he just didn't know how bad it would be, chris. >> carmen, the video we saw of officers running toward danger again, another mass shooting, they're running toward danger, it's chilling, and, yeah, police agree when they take the job to put themselves in danger, but when you live in a town like
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farmington, new mexico, or many others i could name, you don't expect to face a mass shooter or do you in this day and age? >> yeah, chris, unfortunately, i think in this day and age, you do quite honestly. the fact is we have had more mass shootings, officers are preparing and training for it. i noticed in the video the officer also had a rifle. that is something that is a requirement now for many agencies because we are facing such heavily armed people in these circumstances. and it's always a concern about someone who wants to do a decide by cop as well in addition to all the other mental states that can contribute to a mass shooting. >> what do we do about the mental health crisis in this country? because there's no doubt, there's absolutely no doubt that it is placing more and more law enforcement in danger every day. >> yeah, you're absolutely right about that. we just need to have more investment in facilities, institutions that can help
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people who are in a mental crisis. many agencies have opted to have mental health professionals that actually are on scene, with officers to help mitigate or at least deescalate situations when we're dealing with people in crisis. because it is a daily occurrence, hundreds and thousands of times a day within this country, and we have to invest more in our mental health facilities and more in options for people who are struggling and in mental crisis. >> yes, there are more and more communities that are looking for ways to deescalate situations, having said that, how much car, carmen, has training changed, even if small departments because of how common mass shootings are? >> it changed significantly. it began back in columbine, the advice everyone must move in and move quickly, and isolated threat. certainly now, agencies large and small, officers are equipped
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with long rifles. they're doing training on thousand how to locate the threat quickly, how to go into buildings and school buildings, and large events and parades, you name it. every place, communities large and small can be at risk in these situations, so all agencies are having to train their officers in this fashion, and all officers are having to make the mental note this can be the day they have to respond to a situation like that. >> and this is where we are. steve patterson, thank you so much. carmen, you'll be back with me in just a bit. important new clues to when there may be a decision on potential charges against former president donald trump in georgia. that's next. president donald tr georgia. that's next.
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an august decision on potential charges for former president donald trump. in a letter thursday to the fulton county superior court's chief judge, willis announced most of her staff will work remotely during the first three weeks of august and suggested judges do not schedule trials and in-person hearings during that time. it suggests that willis is expecting a grand jury to unseal indictments then. more than two years into an investigation into whether trump and his allies tried to interfere in the 2020 presidential election in georgia. joining me on set to talk about it, vaughn hillyard, and barbara
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mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc analyst. you have been reporting on donald trump a long time, walk us through these latest moves and what they might mean for 2024. >> let's look at august. we expect the campaign on the political terms to pick up. you've got the iowa state fair, the first presidential debate lined up here, and so if a potential indictment and charges are coming down against donald trump and allies in august, you are looking at an intense intersection of the legal and the political here. for donald trump, since his indictment in new york, we've seen him jump in the polls by 20 percentage points. now, of course an indictment and an arrest is much different than facing the consequences, but i'll let barbara answer this question, if he were to face charges in august, when would that trial begin, and if we're talking about an iowa caucus, new hampshire primary the following february, a lot of this is providing donald trump an opportunity to continue, as we saw with the durham report, facts be dammed, he uses this as
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a political opportunity to try undermine the system against him. >> even when he lost against e. jean carroll, he tried to use that as an opportunity. let's talk about time line: let's say that charges come down in august. what are we looking at here? >> ordinarily a defendant has a right to a speedy trial, within 70 days, but it's often the defendant himself to asks for more time. legitimately, a defense attorney often needs more time to review the discovery material, to build a defense. i could imagine in a case like this, it's donald trump's strategy to delay as long as possible, and use it as a political tool. a conviction doesn't do him much good, but being under indictment helps him play that victim and grievance card he so enjoys. i could imagine we could not see a trial possibly past an election. we'll see if a judge goes for that. it could be several months. >> we have to get to august, and there are a lot of people out there who are anxious to hear what the decision is for a very long time.
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so if fani willis is already making moves to set things up, why not just tell us now? >> well, it seems that she's not quite ready to indict. there has been recent reporting that she is working out deals with fake electors. often times cooperators don't cooperate until late in the game, it appears your choice is you could be a defendant or a witness. it's only at that point they decide i would like to come in and cooperate. as long as she's still putting people in front of the grand jury, it may be she can't be able to charge the case. also there's a motion hearing coming up later this month. donald trump filed a motion to quash the prior jury's recommendation. it could be that she wants to get through that hearing first to make sure everything is clean before she files that indictment. >> there's also a question, vaughn of security. a lot of people were surprised, frankly with what happened with e. jean carroll, there wasn't much going on around the courthouse. this could be something
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different. it's different, you know, when you have a civil case or a criminal case. what are you hearing? >> i think there's a reason that the district attorney has put these, not only the judges on notice, but also the sheriff's office and other county officials because he has used fani willis as a direct target. he has called for her direct ouster and suggested she is racist, suggested this is politically motivated. a prosecutor has done an interview with blayne alexander, and she has said she will seek the justice that ultimately the investigation, the work of the special grand jury did that is deserved and as barbara said, this is still very active here. you have the republican -- this is more than donald trump. you have the republican party of georgia really in the cross hairs. you have 16 electors who have been told that they are targets of this investigation here as well as the georgia current gop chairman, david schaefer, this
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is more than donald trump in georgia. >> arguably a different situation than we saw with the d.a. in new york alvin bragg, in terms of resources, right? >> in new york, they are accustomed to dealing with major special events. they dealt with the fallout of 9/11, i think the security presence that exists in new york doesn't exist in any other place in america. it only takes one or two unhinged individuals to come forward and wreak havoc. i can imagine that she wants to make sure she's giving enough notice to everybody involved to make sure they're safe, the directive to her own employees to work from home, and the court to not schedule other hearings that day, or you might be attracting other members of the public, courthouse staff right into the line of fire, so to speak. >> barbara mcquade actually on set with me and vaughn, thank you so much for coming in. appreciate it.
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week's terrifying bat attack at the district office of a congressman. rising threats and political violence is leading lawmakers to implement once unimaginable safety measures, including meeting with constituents over intercom and only meeting in person with people they already know. how do we keep members and their staffs safe, and at what cost to our democracy, former congressman max rose who represented parts of new york city and served on the homeland services committee, and carmen best a retired seattle police chief and msnbc law enforcement analyst. congressman you know the importance of retail politics and meeting people, listening to them, shaking hands. how can you even begin to rethink that part of the job? >> sure. that is a huge part of the job. first of all, one cannot at this point overstate the level of seriousness and even fear amongst members of congress on both sides of the aisle, fear not just for the safety of
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themselves, their family members, but also their staff who in so many of these instances are like family. no one goes into this business for the money, and there's incredible shared camaraderie and a deep sense that people are deeply protective over their staff. the solution here is, in fact, incredibly obvious, and it's actually shocking that it hasn't happened yet, and that is to provide members of congress and their staff with the same level of security that is afforded the executive branch. if one were to ask the general public who's the deputy secretary of defense or the deputy secretary of state, they would have no idea. those people would be safer walking freely amongst, you know, the general populous than a well-known member of congress and their staff, and nonetheless, they are afforded zero public funds for security. >> do you think the american people are going to want to pay for that? that's a politically charged thing, don't you think? there are a lot of members of
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congress who also may not want that. >> this is a drop in the bucket. this is absolutely nothing but let's think about what are they doing right now? what are members of congress doing right now? so many of them have security. they're just paying for it personally. i don't think any rational american citizen would say, i want my elected officials and their staff living in fear, and they would understand making that investment because they already make that investment for the executive branch. this is lunacy, and i think that congress has to step up and actually do what's incredibly difficult for themselves, which is vote for increased funding for themselves and their offices, but they need to do it. >> carmen, is that the answer? >> yeah, there definitely is a need for increased security. look, i can't go pay my electric bill without going into a building where there is bullet proof glass in front of a person
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before you approach them. there's security at all of these buildings, when you pay bills, when you go to the department of licensing. there is a need to have increased security. you know, i would think like having alarms for breakable glass or having the ability to shut down facilities if there's a threat or having people buzzed in by appointment. or brought in by personnel that are trained or a security person. there should be additional security measures in place to keep people safe, particularly as these public officials are so visible to everyone around them, and we have, as we talked about previously, a mental health crisis in this country, and so the combination of the two can be dangerous for those trying to help support the democracy. >> it's not just about securing offices here, max, it's also about, you know, members of congress go out. i mean, gabby giffords was shot in the head at the parking lot of a grocery store meeting with
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constituents, face to face. something you want your members of congress to be able to do every day. how many times have we seen footage from a member of congress in a school gym, right, answering questions from their constituents. these are tricky situations that maybe individual security may not be able to handle, but what is the risk and frankly the effect on democracy if we have to draw some sort of line or shield between the constituents and people who serve? >> i think a line need to be drawn as to when a member or their staff are publicly announcing that they're going to be somewhere. so much of retail politics centers around going to random places, no one actually knows you're going to be there. i spent countless hours standing outside of supermarkets or on street corners, highly unlikely that someone would have a planned attack of some type. more likely somebody might say something mean to me. that you can deal with, right.
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i do think we have to acknowledge not just the importance of allocating security funds towards this issue and also acknowledging on both sides of the aisle that this vicious rhetoric that we are actually directing towards each side, that has tangible consequences for people's safety, and we have got to constantly come back to the fact that although there are incredibly serious differences between both parties, and we can be vociferous partisans, we've got to remember at the end of the day, there are patriots on both sides of the aisle, and we have got to keep our language within control because those out there could actually take that language and that could be the same thing pushes them towards violence. that's why we have seen an increase in violence more recently, and we have to take the language that we use seriously as well. >> former congressman, max rose. congressman best, great to see you as well. thank you so much. appreciate it. a major shakeup with 24 hours to go to the race for the triple crown gets underway. what's being done to protect the
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and get healthier with golo. the path to a triple crown may have just gotten a little easier for mage, the 3-year-old colt set to make his bid for history at this weekend's i bal with the latest on this big
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race. lots of people in the mood for tomorrow's big race. what are you looking for? >> yeah, chris, anticipation is building. the surprise on the big eve of the preakness, if mage can make it two for two, get out of the preakness with a win, and head to the belmont stakes with a chance to win the triple crown, if mage could pull that off, would be the 14th horse in history to win the triple crown and a big break that mage caught today, was what appears to be his toughest competition, a horse named first mission, trained by brad cox is going to scratch out, not run in the preakness, an injured foot there. so first mission, who is the second choice in the morning line is not going to run. that will only increase mage's chances of winning the race. down to seven horses that are going to contest the preakness, the smallest field since 1968 in
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this race. certainly going to be the favorite tomorrow, and the horse at least on paper now who has the best chance of upsetting mage is trained by bob baffert, that legendary name, he has not run a horse in a triple crown race in the last two years. there's been all sorts of controversy, all sorts of litigation stemming from medina spirit in 2021 in the kentucky derby, but baffert will have a horse, national treasure, running in the preakness tomorrow. could end up being the closest, the toughest competition for mage. if mage is going to be stopped in the second leg of the triple crown and not leave with a chance at the triple crown, it may be national treasure, and bob baffert who pulled the upset. otherwise, you look at the rest of the field, there are some real long shots at this point. it's an incredible story. mage is 15-1 in the derby and the overwhelming favorite when the gates open in the preakness tomorrow. >> steve, i don't want to put
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you on the spot. i notice the number four horse is called coffeewithchris, you would want to place a bet there. >> i'm happy to front you some money, put one down for you. i tell you what, coffeewithchris, that is a horse with speed early. not a lot of speed in this race, but there are some wise guys out there who think coffeewithchris could steal this race. i'll put a little down for you. >> steve kornacki, two bucks on coffeewithchris, thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. all i will say is coffeewithchris is always a winner. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we're starting on capitol hill today where negotiators are taking a break. you might ask, a break, the

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