good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with new reaction to president biden's plan to send american f-16 fighter jets to ukraine. president zelenskyy flights into the meeting in japan today for face to face meetings on the sidelines. he has already met with leaders of the uk, france, italy and india. french president, macron says that his visit could be a

game-changer. russian officials meanwhile warned western countries that they would ruin, rather run colossal risks if they supply ukraine with f-16s. but white house officials are saying they got assurances that ukraine will avoid potential escalations of the war. >> we have had multiple conversations with ukrainians about the risk of escalation here. nobody wants to see world war iii. and we have made it clear that we're not gonna encourage or ukraine to strike inside russian territory. so we've had that discussion with ukrainians, we have had it with respect to fighter aircraft. we are confident they will live up to their commitments. >> more on the presidents trip in a moment, back in washington, the white house is blasting congressional lawmakers over the debt ceiling deadlock. accusing republicans of holding the economy hostage. talks between both parties started, paused, restarted and ended with no indication of whether they will resume. , president biden was briefed this morning and remains

optimistic. here's what he said about negotiations. >> what happens is the first meetings weren't that progressive. the second ones were. the third one was. and then what happens is they go back to the principles. they say this is what we're thinking about. and then people put down new claims. i still believe will be able to avoid default. and we will get something decent done. >> 2024 race is heating up with more republican candidates gearing up to challenge trump in the primaries. well fulton county district attorney, fani willis, puts stuff on notice and clears the courthouse calendar for the first half of august in a sign that a decision on charges could come at the height of this summer. we are -- from, japan to washington d.c., we're gonna start with the breaking news. nbc, mike memoli joining us from hiroshima. mike, tell us about the big change to the presidents schedule.

>> we well, alex, we have seen president biden bases entire foreign policy on the idea that the 21st century is going to be defined by this contest of democracies like the united states versus, autocracies like russia and china. and you see it so clearly in the agenda for this g7 summit. it began on friday and put the focus on ukraine. and it will end on sunday as well, as president volodymyr zelenskyy will meet with the leaders of the g7 countries. and just in the last few minutes, we have learned will have a sit-down one-on-one meeting with president. biden you can be sure that the president's decision to greenlight the training and ultimately equipping of ukraine with those f-16 fighter jets will be part of their conversation. the president, of, course will also hold a closing news conference sunday afternoon before heading back to washington. saturday it was a very jam-packed schedule for the president. just concluded about an hour. ago and the focus was really on china. it is not just the g7 who is here in hiroshima, alex, there are eight other countries who were invited to participate as

the leaders of the world's largest economies. they want to draw some of the other countries away from the economic influence that china has exerted over the course, especially over the last decade. they talk about the economic coercion that china uses to build relationships throughout the world through infrastructure, development, president biden making the point throughout the day that these democratic countries offer a better way. let's listen to part of what the president had to say during one of his sit down meetings today. >> we well, our setting today is different but our mission remains the same. and that is to advance our vision of a free open, secure and prosperous indo-pacific. and to demonstrate the capacity of democracies to deliver. to deliver on a shared region. i think people are gonna look back at this quad and, god willing, with ten, 2030 year from now and say, it changed the dynamic we in the region

and the world. >> democracy is the word that has been the core message for biden. the comment from the president came at a meeting of the quad, the leaders of the u.s., japan, india and australia. that gathering, as you remember, was supposed to happen in sydney, australia. the president had to cut this trip short. so that he could get back to the other pressing business in washington. that is the debate earlier today. president biden was asked about the state of those negotiations. he said that he was still confident that a deal could be reached but he called it interestingly, a decent deal. it is interesting to watch how the rhetoric has been changing from optimism to the pause that we saw on friday, to potentially some talks of getting back underway. so this is another issue that has been looming over the presidents foreign travels here. >> 100. percent thanks for the. details as well as for correcting my pronunciation of hiroshima. i've gotten into really bad habits. some listening to you from now on.

i'm pretty much. everything thank, you mike, family will go to nbc,'s julie tsirkin on capitol hill. new word moments ago on the debt ceiling talks in d.c.. julie, what are you hearing? >> after we thought they might be meeting, today we saw some breakfast fold into the room early this morning, spotted by our e. coli producer, we actually have learned per two sources that negotiators for the white house and the hill are not expected to meet today. no scheduled meetings on their calendars. we are told this comes after last night, we remember we were here late last night with congressman, garrett greaves, and patrick mchenry, those negotiators that speaker mccarthy has appointed to be in the room with the white house trying to hammer out this deal. they told us at about 9:00 last night that that was a candid discussion, and not a negotiation. here, though, is what speaker mccarthy had to say early in the day for the status on what those negotiations mean and president biden earlier in japan. watch. >> yeah, i, mean yesterday i really felt we were at the

location where i could see the path. the white house is just -- we can't be spending more money next year. we have to spend less than we did the year before. it's pretty. easy >> what happens is the first meetings weren't all that progressive, the second ones were, third one was. and then what happens is the carriers go back to the principles. they say this is what we're thinking about. and then people put down their plans. i still believe we will be able to avoid a default. and i think we'll get something decent done. >> they had planned to be here physically in the capital meeting to try to hammer out a deal, so this is not great news. this is not a great sign that they're actually gonna be able to reach something. mchenry last night also told me that he is not confident that they can reach a deal to avoid a default by june 1st. i'm told one of the major sticking points is over spending caps. the top line number that they're able to spend in a given year. of, course is a separate issue from raising the debt, sealing but it's an issue that republicans really want to tie

together. and by the looks, have it they are making that happen. burning biden's team to the table to at least try to negotiate those two separate items, alex. >> again, the eagle eyed producer that you credited, we've seen breakfast brought. and so we think that there may be something happening. so you're gonna keep a close eye. >> the breakfast was brought out. so it's a little bit unclear what is going on here. but we will definitely stay on top of. it >> okay, thank you, julie. we appreciate. that congressman, what mike quigley, joins us in our next hour to talk about debt limit negotiations and the red flags that were missed in a classified document leak. stay tuned for that. with a curious jury may have missed about the florida governor. it came out early this, morning the headline reads, we air desantis, the private jets and secret donors flying him around. we will take a look later this hour, we are back in 60 seconds. back in seconds. is getting an upgrade! the new #19 the pickleball club. who knew the subway series could get even better? me, i knew.

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brittney griner made an emotional return to the hardwood last night. a live report on the many remarkable moments later on this hour. plus, the new information from the georgia dea investigating the former president. she is hinting at a timeline for charges, why is she waiting until august? we're gonna break that down for you in just a few minutes. more now on the g7 summit underway in hiroshima, japan. let's bring in peter baker, msnbc political analysts -- correspondent for the new york times and ben rhodes. msnbc political contributor and former deputy national security adviser. always good to have the both of you here. talk about a power panel. let's get into, it. what is the presidents main goal of this trip? is he accomplishing? it >> well, i'm here in hiroshima and he's obviously working on two main things here. russia and ukraine, trying to keep major allies together. behind zelenskyy, behind ukraine, obviously with zelenskyy's presence here, that is a little easier and as you

rightly said, earlier, president macron of france called it a game-changer. it's a lot harder to ignore what is happening in ukraine when zelenskyy is here right in front of. them especially those who have been doubting president modi of india. he's not a member of the g7 but it's here and as an observer. he's already met with macron. he's not met -- he's not a particular supporter of the ukraine effort to defeat russia on ukrainian territory. so that was an important meeting. the second main thing is china, trying to keep people together, in not confronting china, and at least containing china. that's the way they don't like the word contain. but in order to counter chinese coercion and other malignant actions in the pacific region. and there's a great deal of commonality. here but there are some differences. you saw macron go to beijing recently. in a way that annoyed americans and others. we that was seeming to --

>> peter, the fact that president zelenskyy is there and meeting with president biden, and other leaders, biden, tomorrow, i'm told, how significant is his presence? let's see where this is. happening it's hiroshima. i, mean given its history, what does it say to russia and the rest of the world that he is there. he's having these high-level meetings. >> it's two, things his physical presence here at the g7. of course he has talked to a lot of these leaders separately who are -- but to make this journey all the way to asia since the war began, it's the first. it's a big personal testament of his commitment and desire to be part of this discussion. it's also very striking to remember that this is a club that used to include russia. putin used to be a member of this, club the g8. until -- president obama and the leaders at that time expelled him for the original encouragement into

ukraine in 2014. to see president of the ukraine here with the world, major leaders and not, russia tells you a lot about the isolation of russia in the world today and the sport that ukraine does have among the major powers here. >> speaking of isolation, then, the u.s. and allies unveiled some new sanctions against russia. it is firing back by banning 500 u.s. citizens that includes your from a boss, president obama. what could be the impact of this escalation in and tensions? how much does someone like president obama care about being banned from entering russia? how much of it is just for show? >> it's just for, show alex, i mean, i was on the first list of sanctions from the russians way back in 2014. it has had basically zero impact on my life. i don't have investments in rubles. and barack obama doesn't either. when the russians put out these, less it's just for show. i think the u.s. list that we coordinate with alex, is more

important. frankly what they're trying to do is plug holes. we came down with a hammer with significant amount of sanctions and have been giving us. what happens is inevitably russia tries to find. work-arounds they go through other countries and they find ways to create holes in that sanction regime. and the broad list you saw yesterday, the u.s. and allies trying to catch up with. that the sanctions, regime more impactful was the announcement that the u.s. would allow and facilitate the training and provision of those m16s. something that zelenskyy has wanted for some time and the u.s. has been reluctant to do it. the combination of the f-16 announcement and the sanctions announcement was the u.s. in the g7 kind of trying to give ukraine a shot in the arm before this counteroffensive begins. at a time when some people were thinking that putin has time on his side in a war of attrition. we're trying to give something to the ukraine here. >> focus has been on the f-16s, how much of a game-changer is

that? when we heard john kirby saying look, we're not approving escalation. nobody wants world war iii. i mean, it does make things a little concerning on one level, given russia's threats of retaliation should anything happen. >> i, mean the reality is, clearly the u.s. believes that there was some escalation risk in providing the planes otherwise they would've done it already. in terms of the battlefield reality, alex, day today in the coming months. the things that are much more important in the near term are our artillery, long-range rockets, the kind of things that can enable ukraine to amount to ground offensive. obviously they have concerns in the air. they have concerns about air defenses and they obviously would like to be able to support offenses with air power as well. what the u.s. doesn't want is for those m16s to be used against russia. and i think what the u.s. is determined over a year into this war, is that it's gonna be

escalatory to russia, and it may not be the weapon systems that we provide, because we've seen russians tolerate long-range artillery, the kinds of things that the u.s. is reluctant to reply -- but whether or not that is used against russia inside of russia's borders, i think the u.s. has some concerns about crimea, as well obviously that's ukrainian territory but that is the first part of the ukraine that russia took and it's the part that vladimir putin's most attached to in some ways according to some analysts. so the question is, this shows some trust in ukraine, that if these weapons are provided, they won't take the -- to attack russia. >> it's not just a sign of support for ukraine but it's a sign of trust. we can provide systems that could be used inside of russia because we believe that the ukrainians understand that we don't want to see the escalation. >> another one, here with the president returning home earlier than planned, the debt talks have proceeding in d.c., not today. we will try to get a handle on all that. how significant is that early

return? we worked in the white house, president obama was dealing with that negotiations. and he cut short a trip, so what does it tell you about where they are in the process? >> it is significant, alex. it is a problem. it was a problem for us when it happened. look, the whole message of this china strategy that they're rolling out is that we are in this region. we are here to stay. and you can count on us. this meeting of the quad, that's a very important part of how they are trying to confront china. bring together, india together with australia and japan. and when you can't even travel to australia to do that trip because things are so dysfunctional back, home it raises questions about your commitment. not because they don't believe president, biden but because what china has been saying for years is that democracy is dysfunctional. democracy is a mess. democracy does not deliver. and so i think the looming shadow of the debt talks undermines that message. and so if they can avoid a default, then people can kind of move on and get past it. the most important thing, i understand why they're coming

back, the most important thing is to avoid a default. that's what would ultimately damage u.s. credibility more than cutting a trip short. but i think some of this is also just not wanting to be perceived as not trying as hard as you can at the think that folks are worried about back home. >> that makes. that's what kind of approach, peter, is the white house taking? has there been a shift in strategy? things are moving pretty quickly a lot closer to june 1st in this deadline. how much pressure is biden getting from progressives to not negotiate? >> well, i think you see, obviously, some base firming up on both. sides you see kevin mccarthy saying well, we're gonna put a pause on this because we want to convince the conservatives that he's drawing a hard-line. we keep saying hey, we're making good progress. we might have a deal by the end of the week. but you got a lot of pushback from the freedom caucus and others, similarly on the, side the president biden has been hearing from, liberals progressives, who are upset at him and they think he's gonna give up too much on the work requirements for some of the social safety net programs that they are talking about.

so in a, fact they are putting out a tough statement today. the president, i, mean it's kind of a mix. message -- the communications director is attacking extreme maga priorities and attacking republicans for only caring about the rich and not the poor in these talks. an hour later the president comes out and says, well this is all just kabuki, it's all theater, it's all posturing for the sake of negotiations. it is what it is because -- we have the country have seen this before, and we're not going to get to the actual solution, whatever it is, until we get closer to the deadline because washington so far has shown itself to be incapable of coming to a solution on any big issue unless there's a deadline looming and cliff that they're about to head over. so we're probably a week or so away, getting to wherever we might end up getting. >> do you have a sense, peter, who has got the advantage in the negotiations right? now is it mccarthy republicans? is it biden and democrats? >> i'm not sure it's either because both sides have to be able to get their caucus to

support this after they cope with the deal. maybe kevin mccarthy and joe biden have a pretty good idea of where they want to land with the steal. but have to make sure they get 218 votes in the house. and that is a complicated thing. and kevin mccarthy -- so many republicans he then puts his speakership in jeopardy. , remember one of the concessions that he made for the speakership was to allow them to offer a motion to vacate the chair. that is a vote of no confidence, and anytime they want to have. it similarly, the democrats you hear from, some of the progressives are threatening that they could lose as many as 150 democrats if biden goes too far in their view on a vote. so they are being very careful and looking at the math trying to figure out how to get this to the house with both republicans and democrats. >> okay, peter baker, ben, wrote such a pleasure. thank you so much. it is the job everybody, wants and soon this might be a legit question. who isn't running for president? who isn't running for president? what are you going to do with it? i could use a new sign.

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years now. but look, scott is not the only name that we are looking at getting in this race. we also course know from our sources that florida, governor ron desantis, is likely to announce his candidacy next week as. well and then we are also looking at other names from former new jersey, governor chris christie, to current north dakota governor, doug boredom, and then former vice president, mike pence. all of those names are in the mix. my sources are telling me they could also jump in the race soon. so if it's a small field for the start of the, year it could get bigger a whole lot quicker. back to. you >> you know what they say, ali, they're saying the republican candidates that jump into the. race the more that secures donald trump's position as the likely nominee. so every keep that one in. mind 48 hours, new developments and worries for donald trump's legal team, we're gonna get into that next. into that next. >> w'! with marinated chicken and double cheese. sweet and savory... ...kinda like you and me, chuck. bye, peyton. try the refreshed favorites at subway today.

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investigation into whether donald trump and his allies illegally meddled in the 2020 election. in georgia. dea, fani willis, signaling china which -- trump could be charged within the first -- announcing remote work during that time for most of her staff. she is also asked an atlanta courthouse not has gettable trials the weeks of august 7th and 14. joining me now, political investigations reporter for the guardian, hugo lowell. and former brooklyn prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. good to have you both here. charles, i'm curious what this

timetable signals to you. does it suggest indictments? or could we be misreading this? >> alex, the same bet is to conclude that this is around the timeframe that fani willis expects that she will be moving forward with the indictment and potential prosecution that could very well and for fall of phone trump. these are important safety precautions that we have seen other das like ryan willis, including -- in order to make sure that they are securing the public safety of not only their own assistant but also any other court employees who might be involved in case there is someone who seeks to do anything in response to these pending indictments. the prosecutions themselves. i do think it's a fair and reasonable conclusion to read into this timeline as suggested. this is likely when we might expect to see some movement and action with respect to indictments. >> hugo, what might willis be doing between now and august? what's still left to do if indictments are indeed on the

way? >> they have to resolve a couple of issues before she can move ahead with the indictments. stuff like ensuring you know exactly who the targets of the investigation are. -- who we thought were going to be charged accepted immunity deals in recent weeks. and they just about finished resolving a conflict issue. one of the lawyers representing some of the fake electors in this case. so i think we are basically at the stage where she needs to wrap up anything that might pose an issue at trial or pretrial conference. from what we understand, and the d.a.'s office, they basically figured out who they want to charge with what crimes and at the core of, this it's going to be a rico indictment. a wide ranging conspiracy. rico in georgia is very powerful. and it's very very sprawling in its nature compared to the federal rico statute. and it allows district

attorneys to basically ensnare a number of people who are acting in coordination or in concert towards the -- and that may well be through trump. >> in terms of the numbers, charles, i want to play some of what the grand jury said back in february regarding who might be on the indictment. let's take a listen. >> i will tell, you it is not a shortlist. i mean, we saw 75 people and there are six pages of the report cut out. if you look at the page numbers. >> so, it's not -- >> we're talking about more than a dozen people? >> i would say that. yes. >> are these recognizable names? names that people would know? >> there are certainly names that you would recognize. yes. there are names also that you might not recognize. northern names that you might recognize, but someone who's followed this case -- there is somebody on that list we should be particularly

worried about being charged >> alice, it's hard to. say this list continues to be a very interesting conversation for a number of people for a number of reasons. obviously when you're looking at the michael, flynn's and the lindsay grams of, the world and the rudy giuliani, is those people at the top are people who definitely are worthy of concern. but i also have to say that i've been seeing for a long time that when you talk about mark meadows, for example, he is someone who has escaped the notion of being able to testify. or having to testify. and when you think about him having different types of pressure applied in different ways, that is a different conversation because of his proximity to former president donald trump. so that is another one that i'm particularly interested in seeing what happens. >> a lot of people join you in that particular point. , what other rumblings you're hearing from trump about georgia? are trump's attorneys at all concerned about comments that he could make when he is at a georgia rally in the coming

weeks? those comments that could put him in legal jeopardy? i mean, look at the things he said about e. jean carroll during the cnn town hall. one day after being found with -- not guilty, but liable for the chargers and the things he said in a civil case. >> i mean, separate to the e. jean stuff, he was talking about how he was allowed to keep documents in the documents case. whenever trump talks in public about any of his pending legal investigations, he seems to be giving ammunition to prosecutors because some of it is self incriminating. this is an issue that has plagued trump for a long time. and his lawyers are very wary of this. and trump, the trump legal team default position on the -- has always been that this was a contingent with -- a contingency, a plan b in case the state legislature's move to basically strike the biden electors, which was never in question. but that sort of argument may

not fly in georgia. and i think this is why trump has got particular issues in georgia. in, georgia when the trump campaign assembled, they told him to do it in secret. they told him to lie. to call officers, and basically -- the state capital. they went to signed their names on these fake slates. because you have all of this -- going on. that speaks to the state of mind, it speaks to the kinds of actions the trump campaign in these letters knew they were taking were wrong. and all of that suggests that trump has more legal liability and more exposure than he might have elsewhere. i think this is the primary concern for the trump lawyers. >> now that we've pivoted to the documents case, charles, take a listen to what former bill barr said this week about this case. and that he expects trump to be indicted on it. take a listen. >> it's a very clear that he had no business having those documents. and he was given a long time to

send them back. and they were subpoenaed. and if there's any gains being played, there he is going to be very exposed. >> he's indicated that this is his biggest legal risk. bill barr, is he right? >> i think so, i think when you're talking about the federal, cases the most straightforward case the jack smith is looking at is the mar-a-lago documents case. and the reason for that, alex, is simply the timeline. it's too straightforward. he has so many different requests from the national archives association. and, then after that, from the fbi and the doj. informing him that he was in possession of these, documents. so when you are looking at the timeline, after he receives those notices, what he does is he basically instructs members of his team to move the documents in different places in mar-a-lago, and then he plays this sleight of hand attempt with trying to give some of the documents back. acting as if he has given all the documents. back knowing that he still has other documents in his possession. so this is very straightforward

and i expect that this is probably going to be the biggest area where he faces criminal exposure, even as there are other cases which we may see move forward before we see him indicted on. this >> including, this one with the new york times reporting that manhattan d.a. is considering perjury charges. this is against former chunk trump cfo, allan -- will testify against his former boss. jeff any idea what exactly brad wants to learn from weisselberg and how he can help with the hush money? case >> yeah, we don't exactly know what the charge they're trying to trump him with, but for him to go down the perjury, route that suggests -- that they find inconsistencies in his testimony. and in his deposition as prosecutors. and that could get him to flip. i actually disagree a little bit with charles and bill barr because i don't think there's

any one major -- forgive the pun, you have all these legal issues happening on all fronts, and they're all equally dangerous to him. the documents cases are very dangerous, but so is the -- investigation. you think about the timeline of when these things coalesce. he has already been indicted by the manhattan d.a. in the stormy daniels case. if he is convicted in that case, before he is convicted, for instance, in another case, that could affect sentencing guidelines down the road. i think he's got a whole bunch of legal issues and they're all equal issues. >> all right, thank you for your insights. six months ago she was in a russian penal colony, but last night she was right where she needs to be, the incredible saga of britney griner, next. >>f britney griner, next >>f britney griner, next >>ess! this is soft! holy charmin! oh! excuse me! roll it back, everybody!! charmin ultra soft is so cushiony soft, you'll want more! but it's so absorbent, you can use less. enjoy the go with charmin. subway just keeps upping their game.

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latest republican challenging donald trump for the gop 2024 nomination. with the big announcement expected next week from florida governor, ron desantis. joining me now, kurt -- former house gop oversight committee spokesperson, now l.a. times contributor, and democratic strategist. and alencia johnson, former senior adviser to president biden's 2020 campaign, now chief impact officer at the ten 63 west broad agency. welcome, both of you. kurt, you first hear. trump and desantis already the two biggest names on the gop side. how much will an official declaration by desantis change the race? >> i don't think it'll change much at all. you've seen up to this point, trump has just been unloading on desantis, launching multi million dollar avalanche of attacks against him. to this point, it seems to have worked, i don't think i recall a candidate officially entering a presidential contest with as

much baggage a negative connotation surrounding that campaign as we've seen with ron desantis. it's quite a contrast from some of the one that everyone seemed to prop up not that long ago as the best chance to take down donald trump, the person with all this momentum, that people might be coalescing around. within months, that completely withered away, and fall apart. i don't see how desantis can get stronger from this point on. >> okay, what about alencia, with you, the new york times, offering this new report today on the private chats, the secret donors that are funding trips to desantis's been making all around the country. new laws that would keep his travel out of public records request. you couldn't find out the details. how is he allowed to accept donations without disclosures? >> and well, i mean, i feel like he's probably not -- popping up probably, the only republican candidate that has gone away with something like this. so, their playbook is completely different than a lot of other people that he tries to govern over.

so, i think they're just going to push this aside and continue to run and continue to do what the majority of conservatives and republicans do when they have been found doing something without integrity or without ethics, they will say, it was a witch hunt. they are coming after us. they used that, actually, as part of their campaign strategy. it is frustrating, to hear a report like this, from someone who is not only a governor of the state, but someone who wants to be president of the united states, to not have these luxuries when there's a housing crisis in this country, a poverty crisis in this country. able to not even disclose the financial interests that are already plaguing his campaign. >> i have trouble understanding it, i guess that's going to have to change once he officially declares. because a whole slew of laws, financial disclosure laws, are gonna be put in effect then. i mean, must be. kurt, we have desantis oh for

two on the candidates he endorsed for last -- including one in his hometown of jacksonville. then the latest matchup against trump, he's down 11 points, this from a month ago, this was not a great week for him. do you think he'd be better served holding off on a big announcement like this? >> i think he'd be better served abandoning this fantasy that he's gonna be the republican nominee altogether. >> when, kurt, let me tell you something, hang on. i have that echoed all over the place. the guy is so young. what, e 44, 45 years old? look at what lies ahead if he goes up against donald trump. i mean, donald trump will eviscerate him, right? with everybody giving trump such an advantage, why do you think he's going into at this time? why not wait till 2028? >> i think that desantis and those around him, i think they're counting on the fact that, at some point along the, way there could be some serious jeopardy if donald trump finds

himself in. remember, he's in the middle of multiple, very legitimate and serious legal investigations that are unfolding before very eyes. he's gonna be multiply indicted by the time all said and done with this. i think to say it is a thinking, well, when that happens, at some point, he's trying to establish himself as the primary vehicle to be that not donald trump guy that the donald trump supporters are going to rally around. that's the calculus there. i think it's a mistake, frankly, i think a lot more for him to lose for them for him to gain by going through this. what you want and lose, it doesn't really pan out, look at the -- marker, rubio skywalker, jeb bush. all these people that had promising futures ahead of them the republican party, once they tangle with trump, they were pretty much put to bed. never really heard from again, in terms of that higher office aspiration. >> yeah, point well taken. alencia, here let's look at this on the new legislation taking effect in florida. here we go. banning abortion. allowing permit-less carrying a firearms. ending unanimous jury verdicts

and death penalty cases. banning college diversity programs. restricting gender pronouns in schools. restricting education on race. making it a felony to transport undocumented migrants. now, republicans are calling these the florida blueprint. but big picture here, across 50 states, is this really gonna what americans want? >> so, i'm so glad you mention that, republicans are calling this the florida blueprint. they are saying this is just florida, it is what you just said, the blueprint for the republican party. so, regardless of whoever wins the nomination, for the republican party, this is how they're governing. and we see it in a way in which they appointed the supreme court justice who are going to decide on some of these cases that also -- be like the affirmative action case. to your question, is this what the american people want? absolutely not. over and over again, we talk about these issues, whether it's common sense gun reform, or abortion rights, or

inclusion programs. or ensuring that are lgbtq a children and brothers and sisters are affirmed. america's actually want to make sure that those rights are available. those intentions are available. we have a gun violence crisis in this country that is killing our children. so, the issue is going directly to the people, they're on the side of those of us who want to advance progress. but this is the republican party blueprint, this is the conservative agenda that they want to take us back to those days. they are going to do everything they can, including cheat and steal, the supreme court seat, as well as the judiciary, to make sure that happens. so, it's something we have to make sure we're paying attention to, going into 2024. because we'll talk about one candidate in florida, this is the broader agenda for this conservative extreme maga republican -- >> sobering. >> they were like this blueprint in jacksonville. >> that's true. >> exactly. >> that was flipped, we now have a democrat there.