joining us. on this. we thank you that wraps up for me, everybody, to be am eastern, right here on msnbc. symone starts right now. starts right now. greetings everyone, you are watching symone. them -- on again off again negotiations on the debt ceiling, off again for now. with only a few days left for congress to avoid economic catastrophe, the deadline clock is ticking. i will be joined by senator sheldon whitehouse. what he says -- and it's been a busy week in the effort to restrict women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies. from courts to state legislators, some disturbing developments. we will break down what it all means. and the republican field of candidates is expanding, governor ron desantis and tim

scott, they've got -- but can either of them take down donald trump? i'm simone sanders townsend, and i have something to say. do you hear that? it is the sound of a clock ticking, and with each passing second, your financial future is more at risk. after hitting pause on the debt ceiling negotiations for hours, negotiators for the white house and congressional republican negotiators patrick mchenry and darren gray's continued talks last night, but left without progress. we are reporting they are not expected to meet today. republican negotiators are demanding the white house cave in to some of the drastic

spending cuts. now, president biden is currently in hiroshima for the g7 conference, and is returning tomorrow. he says the risk of default is too serious. after last night's meeting, congress members graves and mchenry, they expressed skepticism as to whether a deal could be reached by june 1st. take a listen. >> this was a negotiation tonight. this was a candid discussion about realistic numbers, a realistic path forward, and something that really changes the trajectory of this country's spending and debt problems. >> speaker mccarthy has said -- so there is enough time to get it through the house and senate before june 1st. you are still not confident in this? this candid discussion did not help increase the confidence? >> no. >> folks, even if a deal is reached, there is no guarantee

mccarthy would have enough support from his caucus to get it passed. on thursday, which includes some of the most right-wing members on the republican conference in congress, said that discussion should stop until the democratic senate follows the house in passing the act. meanwhile, some democratic lawmakers are urging president biden not to cave in to mccarthy's demands. this week, 11 democratic senators wrote a letter calling on the president to invoke section four of the 14th amendment, which states that our nations public debt shall not be questioned. it -- derek johnson rip -- that these republican endorsed cuts to federal are disproportionate. they disproportionately affect black americans, telling democrats do not accept the false choice between triggering and utterly avoidable economic catastrophe, driven by politicians, or imposing costs

and harms on black communities. so how do we navigate a path forward that doesn't invoke -- are these -- doomed to fail at the hands of the house's most radical members? here to shed some light on these negotiations and hopefully answer some questions 's democratic senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island. he is one of the summit democrats calling for the president to invoke the 14th amendment, and he is also the chair of the budget committee, thank you senator, welcome. senator, the letter you signed said that the group looks forward to meeting with president biden on the amendment issue. is there a meeting expected to take place, just last week heather bucha, who is a member of the economic advisers, she told me that the 14th amendment is not an option at the moment. that the president is considering. so, if your response to that?

>> i think the problem right now is that we have a mccarthy manufactured crisis, a maga manufactured crisis, there is only one person in the congressional leadership and the president, the big five, who wants to default. they are threatening to default. and that's speaker mccarthy. so the best thing would be for him to back off that threat, and let the process of american government, he controls the appropriations committee in the house, we do in the senate, we work together and we go through a transparent process. put the pin back in the hands grenade and stop this. the problem comes if he can't figure out how to do a deal, can't actually close a deal, or can't sell a deal to his caucus. all three of which might be true. in that case, there's got to be a fallback other than defaults, and that's where the constitutional often comes in. >> even if the white house does

end up choosing the 14th amendment route, i think it would trigger litigation. so what would happen in the meantime, and is the platinum coin provision an option here? >> i don't see that as an option, but we will see. i think when you are looking at default, and you are looking at the global economic consequences of it, that may make speaker mccarthy come to his senses and take the hand grenade off the table. these are things even people who are adversaries can negotiate in good faith. but it is not good faith to come in with threats, it is not good faith to come in without a negotiating position, it is not good faith to use the debt limit hand grenade to try to extort things. >> senator, what are some red lines for senate democrats, we talked about in the open that you said you are one of the senators that sent a letter to the president, signed that

letter, talking about the 14th amendment, but also we have heard a lot of talk about work requirements. what are some of the red lines that if they made it into a deal, senate democrats would not play ball? >> i think we would need to look at the whole package. not try to pick things out of it. but obviously a matter of concern to senate democrats is that the we have a tax system that is unfair, that allows billionaires to pay lower tax rates than firefighters, and if republicans won't give an inch on any tax measure, even to correct the injustices of the current tax code, then i think we are going to have some real difficulty. now we say anything is better than default, but here's where it is important for the president to have the constitutional option in his back pocket. >> as we talk right now, it is saturday. the senate is actually in recess this upcoming week, but majority leader schumer has instructed members to be able to get back to the capital within 24 hours.

what have you all been told about, if a deal comes about, what will the process be? will you all come back, will you have a briefing when you get back, will the briefing happen virtually? how is it going to shake down? >> i expect if anything happens, chuck will do a conference call with all of us, just because of the difficulties of trouble. we will all be scrambling back as fast as we can. i believe they want the bill to start in the house and bring it over to the senate, but that's still to be determined. then with any luck we can vote it through before the markets really begin to panic. because once markets begin to panic, it is very hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. >> you talk about the markets. i have been reading about the potential for s&p, who in 2011, they notoriously downgraded the united states from a aaa rating to a double a plus. are you concerned if that could potentially happen again, this

go around? >> absolutely, and worse. that is the kind of dynamite speaker mccarthy is playing with. and when it all goes wrong, if it all goes wrong, he needs to be held accountable for the risk he's put the american economy at in order to accomplish his extremist mega goals. >> senator, i will be in touch with your team, because i am very interested to see what comes up in these conversations between you and the white house and negotiators over the next couple of days. 24 or 48 hours. before i let you go, nbc news did a report that democratic senator diane feinstein suffered previously undisclosed complications, stemming from her case of shingles that kept her eye sent from congress months ago. i don't have to tell you what people are saying. democratic lawmakers called on the senator to resign, there are others who say these calls are sexist and she should be able to continue to serve. where do you shake down on this?

are you concerned about her? are you concerned about her ability to serve? >> we need to be very clear about what the rules are and what is going on. the republicans are blocking anyone replacing a dianne feinstein on the judiciary committee. this is part of their mania about right-wing judges. and, whether diane feinstein temporarily leaves the judiciary committee, or whether she permanently steps down, or whether she resigns from the senate, the rule is the same and the republicans can block her successor from getting on to the judiciary committee, which will be an obstacle for us to continue to clear judges onto the courts. so, she is doing the one thing that allows us to move judges, and continue to proceed. considering how difficult this has been for her, i think she is being astonishingly brave. >> you have a lot of foresight,

senator, because i am literally going to do later in the show, we will talk about the progress that donald trump made in appointing judges to the federal bench, and the record progress that president biden has made, and this is why elections matter. thank you very much for your time today sir. appreciate it. the senator and i just talked about it. it does seem like your rights as an american are determined by the courts, but not by the constitution. but by years of code. and the fight over reproductive rights is one of those many examples. up next, we will go through the abortion bans the republicans just rams through state legislators across the country. so stay with us, we will be back. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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developments this week in the battle over women's health and freedom to make decisions about our own bodies. a growing number of republican led states now pushing to further restrict access to abortions. nebraska state capital protests broke out yesterday after a conservative lawmaker narrowly passed a bill banning abortions after 12 weeks. it also restricts access to gender affirming care. now, the bill is heading to the governor's desk, where he has

promised to sign it. north carolina state assembly approved a similar 12-week abortion ban by overriding the governor's veto. and south carolina, they passed a bill blocking abortions after six weeks, before most women know they are pregnant. right now, folks. look at this map. 14 states have enacted full abortion bans. a federal appeals court is set to decide whether women should have access to the abortion bill mifepristone. during a hearing this week, -- of fda's 23 rolled approval of the drug. here is an exchange that happens less than a minute into arguments. >> this court order is unprecedented and unjustified attack. >> you have said unprecedented, we had a challenge to the ex fda just yesterday. >> you had a challenge to the fda yesterday? i don't think there has been any court that has vacated the

fda's decision. it is not a court rule to question their decisions. >> why not focus on the facts in this case? weather than have this fda can do no wrong thing. >> let's bring in fatima goss graves, president and siena -- for team of, you just heard it. you heard it in that clip. the judges repeatedly questioned the expertise of the fda, at times, i listened to the hearing because i had nothing to do on my day off, and at times the judges seemed confused about what role doctors actually played. they didn't even know the process. they didn't know how you prescribe the pill for miss pearlstone, can you clear this up for us? are there any legitimate concerns about safety, about efficacy, about effectiveness when it comes to mifepristone? >> medication abortion is safe, it's effective, and there is no confusion on that front.

hundreds of -- have said that over 20 years, it has been in use. the forum that this circuit was, it was a forum for misinformation and confusion. that is precisely the point. if you listened into the argument, you would be like, you would not know that mifepristone, the medication abortion pill, was safer than most of the drugs that people have in their medicine cabinet. >> it's safer than viagra. >> it's safer than tylenol. so i want to be clear, that hearing itself was a form for misinformation. but that was the point. they are not confused about their strategy here. they are trying to confuse the public right now, and the good news -- i think it's really important for me to say this today. is, listen. i don't have confidence in what happens in that hearing, but there is a stay in place. medication abortion will remain

available, even after they issue a ruling, and i think that is important for people to know. but it also doesn't give me confidence -- >> what do you mean even after they issue a ruling? but the fifth circuit, people should know. the court of appeals, it is one of the most powerful courts in the country, second only to the supreme court. this is where they go to decide the majority of federal law, and the fifth circuit is one of the most conservative courts of appeals. so what you mean when you say even if they side with the texas judge, -- >> there's a likelihood if you listen to that argument, that that will be -- where they will land. the supreme court can stay in place during this litigation. so we will not be in the place we were a month ago, where we were every day not knowing what was going to happen and whether or not medications that had been in place for 20 years would be suddenly upended overnight. so, we do have a very short reprieve, basically, while this

litigation continues. >> and so, by more litigation you mean -- let's say the appeals court comes back and says we side with a texas judge, then it's an appeal to the supreme court? >> right. they could direct it back to the district court for more findings, or we could end up very quickly in the supreme court. the bottom line is, what should be happening right now is not happening. this is a pretty clear cut case. never in the history have you had a situation where courts are saying they know more than the fda. if you listen to this hearing, you would understand why that is the case. they are not scientists, they are not medical providers, so it's sort of an outrageous forum for misinformation. they also should have said this case should go away, we got it wrong, our bad. that didn't happen, we will continue to see litigation. but i think it is important to put this in the broader context that we are facing right now. they are going after abortion

access by any means necessary. it's been a year. since the dobbs decision came down, since the court said states can do effectively, whatever they want here. that is what we have seen. >> i am thinking about north carolina as you say this. we talked about it in the open, but north carolina's governor, he was on msnbc today with my colleague jonathan capehart, and i want to play for you some of what he had to say, because he issued a very dire warnings. >> this legislation traps women in the face, it is an insult. women will die, because of these bands. and women's health will be hurt in all of these areas, particularly women who have hourly jobs, already have children, don't have a high income. >> you will see a lot of people suffer. >> in the time we have left,

what is the state of abortion access now in north carolina, and across the country, what do you say to women who are watching this even fathers, families, people who are watching this and saying it feels pretty bleak? >> he sounded pretty angry, and i think he is joining the majority of this country who are more and more angry. they have now banned abortion in north carolina at 12 weeks. and that's important for not just the people in north carolina, but for the large swath of countries in the south, large parts of the midwest where abortion access is becoming less and less available. what that means is that people are going to be put in harm's way. we know the stories that have happened over this last year. people who have -- whose lives have been put in jeopardy. people who have had to travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to get care.

the common thread here is that you have a state denying people their freedoms. denying people their health care, and it's just not okay. >> fatima goss graves, frank you for the real talk. i don't feel hopeful, but i do feel educated and that's half the battle. i appreciate your time. folks, conservative just lost control of two cities that they have controlled for years, after elections in colorado springs. do you think that could tell us about voters and other parts of the country? i have a democratic party leaders from both states joining me next to answer that very question. but first of all, our bestie is here. my colleague richard lui with today's other top news stories. richard, tell me something good. >> i'm going to try to -- first of, a major movement in the war in ukraine. today in the country's president arriving in hiroshima japan to take parts -- including expected meetings with president biden. he has already met with uk

prime minister, and french president a manual macron, among other world leaders. the high stakes trip coming just a day after the u.s. backed a plan to provide ukraine with f-16 fighter jets. the u.s. also agreeing to allow training on u.s.-made fighter jets. britney griner made a superstar return to the basketball court during last night's face-off between the los angeles sports. it was her first regular season game since spending nearly 300 days in russian prisons on drug charges, rightly -- she had 18 points, four blocked shots for phoenix, l.a. ended up winning the game. a great come back for her. -- from california, carrying satellites adjust after six this morning. the company also launched a 22 of its star satellites into orbit yesterday from florida. more simone, right after this

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election year, because there is always an election happening somewhere in this country. today we will be on the way to unpack two mayoral races, one in colorado and one in florida, and why they are so supremely important for our politics. this past tuesday, the city of colorado springs had a runoff election for mayor.

-- became the city's first elected black mayor after defeating his opponent. it is important to know that the mayor's race in colorado springs is in fact nonpartisan. the mayor elect is the first mayor not affiliated with the republican party, since colorado springs started electing mayors 45 years ago. breaking the conservative stronghold republicans have had on the city, democrats in the sunshine state also had a historic win when donna deegan defeated her desantis endorsed republican opponent, and became the first woman to be elected mayor of jacksonville. she is also only the second democrat to lead the city in 30 years. jacksonville had been the largest city in the country with a republican mayor. here to discuss the historic races and more, is daniel henry and the colorado springs democratic party chair, shied near it.

greetings to you both, i am so glad you are here. my first question to both of you, what do you think the american people should take away from these two very different but slip -- mayoral races. first to you. >> either, thank you for having me. with folks like lauren as -- in colorado, the republican party has veered so far to the right and is in such disarray, that they have closed their doors to unaffiliated voters. the democratic party has built a coalition that welcomes unaffiliated voters, and supports folks freedom to get a good paying job and make their own health care decisions. so uninspiring community oriented candidate, that coalition is activated and we could make history. >> henry? >> i think the same thing happened in jacksonville as well. donna was one of those

candidates that only come around once in a generation. she ran on a platform that involved loving everyone, making sure that she was focusing on local issues that were important to jacksonville, high rates in crime that we are seeing across the city, infrastructure spending that is desperately needed, and camping out corruption that we saw in our city hall. and the alternative that they had on the ballot, i think, really presented a case that was affective for voters to understand what they wanted to do, and donna was the best candidate to do that. >> i have long since said that infrastructure and investments are key, a to have a good message and great candidates. but they have to converge at one time. mayor, i'm gonna start with you because mayor elect mobility, he is not only the first black mayor, he is the first a mayor that is not affiliated with the

republican party. he is an independent. when i talk about this on the twitter, i have made the point that folks cannot underscore the work that the state democratic parties did to help in florida, but also in colorado, and people say that the mayor elect is an independent. break it down for us. how did they or not work with the mayor elect to organize on his behalf, even though he is an affiliate, as you like to say. >> yummy is an unaffiliated, which in places like colorado springs give them structure to know that they can make choices. the republican party wants the most extreme maga oriented nominees as possible, and every race across the state. the most prominent leader in the state -- of mar-a-lago and giving -- actually focusing on the issues that you talk about like

infrastructure or solving the colorado river crisis. -- and just like in colorado springs, we will have to make sure that the voters know they have choices, which is why the democratic party is organizing earlier than ever in places that we haven't won. democrats are still the minority in election officials, and district attorneys across the state. and so we are trying to move into the rural areas to make sure that folks know that they do have a choice. >> okay, chair, let's talk a little bit about your county and in florida, because there was -- everybody talks about a disastrous showing in the midterm elections in 2022. so after that, the florida democratic party, they elected a new chair, nikki freed. she says the win in josh and bill was a backlash against unobtrusive legislative session. what can we glean from this if anything, about future elections in florida, and democrats in florida, chair

henry, being competitive statewide again? >> yeah. i think after ron desantis -- when this county in 2022, they really thought that they had this mayor election in the bag. so their candidate is really focused on the right wing issues, the entirety of the campaign, and never really drifted to the middle. donna was able to take advantage of that message and focus on local issues that were much more appealing to independent voters. they were key in order for her to make up the margin that was necessary for her to win this office. not only the second time in the last 30 years. and i think that's a testament to not only the support that our party was able to give her, but i think to the change that we are able to bring to the democratic party as well. focusing on candidates that were the best situated to get across the finish line. >> in november of last year, it seems like it was just yesterday, but it was almost

months ago that a mass shooter killed people in an lgbtq night club in colorado springs. did the mass shooting at club q have an impact on the outcome of this election in any way? >> yeah, i think so. the republican chair in colorado springs chose to not enforce some of our most important gun safety laws, that we will never know that if he had chosen to enforce them could have prevented that tragedy. so i think republicans, democrats, unaffiliated's, they are tired of republicans getting in the way on these issues. you don't know if you can go to the grocery store safely anymore. you don't know if you could go to your high school, a movie theater, colorado has seen a dramatic increase in mass shootings over the last few years, and whether you are on the left or the right -- know that they can be safe. >> before i let you all go, chair henry, i want to have you -- i want to ask you about ron

desantis, and i can't pass the opportunity up. i am really interested in senate bill two 66. the governor signed that into week this week, the law banned the public universities from spending money on diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. when this bill was in the house, i had sherbet jones on the show, and we talked about how it was under fire because the language included the removal of historically black fraternities and sororities. the senate removed that language. but is it still going to have an impact for organizations such as those financially or other programs? i think that something people want to know. what do democratic lawmakers in the state due to combat this? >> i think it will have an effect regardless. when it comes to some of our primary skills, where the last bill passed is that they may pass this bill and say oh it will have a little bit of an

effect, but these universities are going to go overboard to ensure that they don't bill of the wire of the desantis administration. you will see colleges and universities across our state dial their tones back when it comes to ensuring that there is equity in their programs, making sure that they are setting up an opportunity for students to be able to really feel like they are safe in their environments. so i think this will have a negative impact on our college campuses overall. and, it's something that i think democrats are really going to be using in the 24 election to try to make changes in the legislature. >> we will have to leave it there. to my to local democratic party chairs, shed, i daniel henry, thank you both for your insights. >> thank you. >> we are talking about it, you are all talking about it. the damage that donald trump was able to do to our justice system in just four short years. up next, i will explain how

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camilla, i will start with you. so we have talked extensively about these negotiations. how has president biden's trip affected those negotiations, and do you think it will change when he gets back tomorrow? >> it's definitely been something that has been talked about on capitol hill, whether he would shorten his trip abroad, and he said that he will. the conversations on capitol hill, republicans met late last night with white house officials to try to iron out some of the details, but they still didn't come to a conclusion and that's something to be expected. we are heading to a deadline, so there is a lot of pressure for republicans and members of the white house seem to really try to solidify these details in order to do what biden wants and that is to raise the debt ceiling without any restrictions or any of the requirements that republicans are trying to garner, or we john. >> senator jones, there are lots of folks, including senator sheldon whitehouse who

high had on the top of the show, who are suggesting the 14th amendment is the path president biden should take here. you are a former u.s. attorney, how viable is that option? >> i have looked at it a little bit, i think it is a viable option, it is not a preferable option. if the president can get together with the speaker of the house and get congress to act, that's what really needs to happen. we ought to get rid of this whole legislative piece of this with the debt ceiling, because it doesn't mean anything except every now and then there is a hostage situation in washington. but, look, i think the president says that that's not on the table now. clearly they are going to look at this, but at the same time he wants to make sure that he can get something done. i think it is important for him, important for the congress, for them to get together and get this debt ceiling done soon. >> yeah. senator chris combs was with my colleague today. one of the things he said is that the white house is

considering what their alternative options could be if these discussions fall apart. it is my understanding that the negotiators think that there is a deal to be had, they just don't know what that is. what other options does the white house have that would require republican cooperation in congress? or are there any? >> i think that there are a lot of options that they could do. they are looking at executive actions, they're looking at any number of opportunities there. but the thing that i think people need to realize as we do this, they are not going to put all of those options on the table right now. they want to get something done with the congress. that is going to be their focus. there are all a matter of things, i can tell you that white house counsel executives, every branch of the executive are looking at this. but the fact is, this needs to be coming together within congress. it would instill confidence in the american public, and it would instill confidence around

the world if they can come together. so that is going to be the focus, or it is not the focus at the very last minute. >> hopefully we don't get there. i will say my producer just told me that speaker mccarthy just said that -- is telling folks that negotiations are going so. that does not bode well. i guess this is why the president is coming back tomorrow. i want to move on to talk about the 2024 republican primary. there are five candidates including donald trump, who have officially announced their candidacy. then we have ron desantis and tim scott. they are expected to declare their candidacy next week. meanwhile, there are a host of other potential candidates who are rumored to be thinking about iran, but they have yet to make official moves. shermichael, as our resident person who understands conservative politics here, as a former republican, i think that it's too early to see the full scope of where this primary is going to shake out,

but it is also a little lake to be launching a presidential campaign given that the first votes in the primary for the republican party will be january 8th. so, how do you think the landscape is going to change in the coming weeks? >> look. i think it will ultimately come down to donald trump and desantis. if you look at some of the other candidates, senator tim scott, you showed a clip of him earlier at the top of the segment, he's at about 1.6 or 1.8%. that is really low. it's going to be really hard to increase your numbers of between august, when the first republican debate is, to january, a few months. when you think about it, to be able to be a competitive candidate. now, if scott does have a significant amount of money, that will help, but is it enough to win one or two states? i think that's highly unlikely. i think for desantis, however, he's going to have to try to figure out with the endorsements he's got in new hampshire, and will those endorsements actually translate

to voters voting for him to win one of those first or second to vote states in the republican primary? if he can one of those states, that clearly will give him the momentum that is necessary propelling him forward for the rest of the primary process. but without that happening? i think donald trump is still more likely to become the nominee. >> earlier this month, desantis charged the republican party to reject the culture of losing. i will play it for you all, because you tell me who he was talking about. >> as bad as things are going right now, if things do not go well for us republicans in 2024, it will get a whole lot worse. we must reject the culture of losing at that has infected our party in recent years. the time for excuses is over. >> now, camilla, you are talking to elected officials on the hill all day long. i know you have been out there on the campaign trail before. this culture of losing that he has made, he has been making it

a lot. it seems like he is focusing more on this message of electability, rather than what he is for to give folks his boats. what is your take on his strategy? how is it faring with real folks out there, especially because desantis is untested outside of florida. >> that is going to be his biggest challenge. it is not just -- voters in his home state of florida, but it is getting republicans from across the country to support him. they know he is up against the former president donald trump, and that is going to be his biggest contender when he is facing these primaries. and you see him kind of touch on these culture wars and topics about cultural issues, because that has been his bread and butter when he has been governor. he is pushing a lot of legislation on transgender rights, so this is to be expected. whether this will resonate with actual republican voters, that is something still to be tested. we have seen mixed results

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>> we can't live in a city where you can choke me to death, with no provocation, no weapon, no fret, and you go home and sleep in your bed while my family got a put me in a cemetery. it must be equal justice under the law. >> daniel penny is the writer who put him in the chokehold, he faces manslaughter charges. he's pleaded not guilty. thanks so much, folks, for watching symone on this saturday, we're gonna leave it there, i am symone sanders-townsend. you've got me right here on msnbc weekends at 40 am eastern, anytime over on the peacock, politicsnation with the great reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, and welcome to politicsnation. tonight lead, standing at the edge of a cliff.