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coming. a plus, to moccasin style in danger. fulton county georgia tsn enis drawing signal about how the president could be indicted. for trying to overturn the 2020 election. but, this indictment is just another legal liability for the guy who can explicitly still pull in strong with the gop. -- joins me in studio a little later to break it all down. later, unmask a medical racism, how the color of our skin could be the difference between life or death. we're going inside the fight for fairness and health care. all this is much more is coming up. a good sunday morning to you all, i am katie phang. we are going to start today show with an urgent new message

from president biden on the debt ceiling showdown. >> it's time for republicans to accept that there is no bipartisan view to be made solely, solely on their partisan terms. they have to move as well. all four congressional leaders agree with me that the default is not, let me say it again, default is not an option. i expect each of these leaders, excuse, me to live up to that commitment. >> that was president biden at the g7 summit in hiroshima, japan, less than two hours ago. biden is currently getting back to washington, d.c., to resume negotiations. house speaker, kevin mccarthy, told msnbc that negotiations will not move forward until biden is back in the country. biden's new comments on the debt ceiling gridlock is coming shortly after he met with ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, to reaffirm the united states unwavering support for ukraine. that report is ramping up with

the new aid package, including more ammo, artillery, and armored vehicles to bolster the country's battlefield abilities, and even plans for ukrainian pilots to train to fly f-16 fighter jets. nbc's white house correspondent joins me now from hiroshima japan. mike, i know you and others were listening to what biden had to, say but how would you summarized biden's g7 trip this time around? >> well, katie, president biden 's taxes on the runway right now, about to take off for that very long journey back to washington. has he laid out and that news conference, he's feeling very confident about what he was able to accomplish on the two main areas of focus as an relates to foreign policy. with ukraine, as well as how it relates to countering the chinese efforts to -- the start with ukraine. one of the things the president said is that the g7 really as a different organization. now there's a unity, hours of among its membership that he said you haven't seen even five years ago. remember, the g7 used to be

that she ate. it was russia that was expelled from the g7 because of its invasion of crimea ten years ago. think about the images we saw today. it was ukraine that was sitting at the table with those other g7 leaders, as those leaders were announcing new efforts to support ukraine and its coming counteroffensive that we expect to be launched in. the president addressing directly a new arms package that is going to be useful in the short term, and the long term pledge she made with our allies to begin training, and ultimately a quid in ukraine with those high caliber fighter jets, including f-16s. now it was interesting throughout the summit, because the larger theme had been about china, the entire trip, which was supposed to be, as you, know, katie so must be three different stopped over the course of a week. they had to be cut short. the focus on ukraine, and some, ways overshadow what the president faces very well accomplishments as early search ina. bringing allies on board with efforts to counter the -- economic coercion on the part of china, to use its economic

manufacturing power, it's trade election ships throughout the world, to essentially try to imprint its vision on the world on other countries. economic coercion is a term that appears throughout the g7 leaders, this is something that hadn't really been a focus on this alliance at all in the past, of the president really talking about one, the efforts to show that the u.s. and its allies are just as big a player, even in this part of the world. two, to talk about the fact that there is still a hole to have on this conversation not veer into conflicts. a think one of the biggest pieces of news that came from the presidents conference was him protected in that there is going to be something of a thought and relations here with china since, as he put, at that silly balloon episode that we all remember from two or three months ago. president biden and president xi met at the trade summit in bali, they have not had any direct conversations since, them but the president indicated this might be changing soon. >> mike medullae, live from japan with the latest from the g7 summit in japan, we

appreciate it. so, let's take a deeper dive now on the g7 summit, and the debt ceiling showdown. joining me is congressman, steve cohen. he sits in the house judiciary committee, and transportation infrastructure committee. congressman, it's always good to have you on the shell. let's start,, quickly with the g7 summit. as we just heard from mark meadow, the, rashawn warren ukraine, essential focus at that summit. you and other commissioners actually got a chance to meet with ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy just two weeks ago. during that meeting, he expressed the need for f-16s to help defend ukraine. how significant is it that president biden has now joined the effort to allow ukrainian pilots to train to fly those f-16 jets? >> i think it is very significant, presidents alencia's been asking for our support at the beginning of the war. i haven't supported that. he said f-16s are the premier war machine in the air, which they need, agents are defeating the russians in every single

area there on the, ground and different areas, in the east, but they have only losing in the air, and that's where russia has air superiority. it will not have that superiority when f-16s entered the equation. and allows them to hit russia supply lines in ukraine, now called russia by russia, but in ukraine, and not going to russian territory. this will help them in maintaining their attacks and ukraine. it will also help them in dealing with grain shipments out of the ports of the south to the world, where the supply in worlds, but it's important for them to have a weapon like this in the air. i'm pleased we were able to start the training of the pilots. it'll be four, five months before they're able to get the pilots trained. at least we get it started. >> congressman, let's talk about the human side of this, war while in ukraine, you also had the chance to meet with

survivors of us horrific mass murders in bucha. you tweeted that their testimony to you, was, quote chilean. what can you share with our viewers about the stories that they shared with you? >> what we went out to the church where the -- discovered, and then the bodies were exhumed. there is a display at the church of bodies that were taken out, and -- there were two ladies there, both the them with stories i've heard in the newspapers, or seen an msnbc. one was a lady, a grandmother, who was traveling with her grandson. a russian sniper from some distance away shot the grandson, they were doing anything wrong, they were just driving their car. shot him in the face, and killed him. the grandmother relate that episode, and how it was so awful. she turned and she realized her son was shot in the, i the brain, he died. she had sat there and she

relayed that story to, us we were in a circle at the church. the other was a lady whose husband was taken by the russians, stripped, taken out away from where she and her father were, and later, she discovered his body laying in the ground. this is some weeks after that episode, where she and her father had been going 20%. they didn't want to go back in their home, because russians had desecrated, and used it. when they came back to their home, the russians had been expelled from the country by the ukrainian forces. they found her husband's body line on the ground. it's a pretty horrific story that will stay with me forever. the russians committed many atrocities in bucha, and other areas, like yves. they are a, their forces have done acts of war that are criminal. they should have to respond to those in an international court of law, a court of justice. no country should have to live

under russian domination because as president zelenskyy told the saudis, you are putting cages. russia engages. >> congressman, i have about a minute left, but i had to ask, biden is cutting his overseas trip sure to rush back to our country to deal with the debt ceiling crisis. house speaker kevin mccarthy say no deal without gop strings being attached. the debt ceiling was raised three times during the trump administration. as mccarthy and others -- were suffering from some measure of memory loss at this point? >> well, they have always been political. they want the white house, they don't want policy. they don't have a policy for the american people, they don't want to increase the minimum wage, they don't want to give people who needed health care, and education, and sustenance, food, nutrition, they have only the desires to appeal to the weak spots and their mind which is still the base of the

republican party, and that's that immigrants, the other, which has always been the area of emphasis for political parties that don't have a real message, is being against the other. this is part of it. their strategy talks here, on the debt limit. sure, just like trump said, that horrific cnn program, he said, well, i was -- the debt ceiling when i was president. i'm no longer presidents. republicans were doing it when trump's president, he was their president, now they're not doing. it they're strictly a political tool. they have not passed any legislation of significance, they don't have any legislation for children, in schools, and citizens in churches, or citizens anywhere with guns. there is awful, catastrophic results of having so many guns on the street. so, yes this is a political move by mccarthy. he is a prisoner of the

marjorie taylor greene, send the dances, and all those lies. some of those, to get to an agreement, i'm afraid we might have to use 14 amendment to save the country in the world's economy, because i don't think the republicans will come to the table. >> well we're going to have to walk and see if that gets deployed. congressman, thanks for joining us this morning. i always appreciate you. >> you are welcome, thank you for having me on. >> still to come on the, paycheck to paycheck, tens of millions of americans are barely scraping by while the country's financial future is in jeopardy in washington. the realistic financial fallout from the debt default, coming up next. keep it here on msnbc. t here on msnbc. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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their budgets to the max, they're now keeping an anxious eye on the debt ceiling

negotiations playing out in washington. in the latest cnn pc survey, 70% of americans are feeling financially, stressed nearly six out of ten people are living paycheck to paycheck. while thousands of people are affected by mass, layoffs in rattles in the american dream, the cost of basic household expenses like rent, groceries, and utilities, continue to rise. what can we do during these turbulent times? here with me on set to get into all of, that caleb, sulfur editor-in-chief at investopedia. caleb, no pressure, going to solve all our economic woes in the span of about five minutes, let's get going. every was tuning. and janet yellin, telling a banking conference just last week, a situation where the u.s. runs out of cash angie fulton's debt would, quote, generate a financial and economic catastrophe. please translate that into layman's terms for the regular joe and jane american. how is this going to impact them if there is a default? >> if there is a default, the

risk is that the credit rating, the united states credit rating, gets downgraded. the united states finances this 31 trillion dollars in debt by issuing, bonds bonds that are bought by governments around the world. if you got a quite rate downgrade, because we passed that that ceiling, you're going to see interest rates spike way beyond where they are now. that means everything that's not fixed. credit card payments, in any financing that we do that doesn't have a fixed rate is going to go up. this is the time when interest rates go to multi year high. everything that we do, credit card spending, all of that spending we, do it's going to get more expensive if we get that credit rating downgrade because we default and our dad. >> some of that -- the debt ceiling, i'm mean, the republicans are trying to make it sound is that this is money to be spent in the future. i like to equate it to something like credit card debt. this is money that's already spent. this is that that's already accrued. this is equivalent to a sane, you know what, we're not going to pay you, chase, mastercard, whatever, because we don't feel like peña, leaving that we all the money, right? >> it's basically. that we have 31.4 trillion

dollars, and debt but the thing about the united states, we usually pay our bills. that's why our bonds are so trusted by governments and investors around the world. if we don't pay our bills, if they go through the debt ceiling, that's a sign that we can't do, that in that we receive that credit rating downgrade, that means the value of everything that is held williams of dollars around the world, goes down. it's not good for the united states, is not good for the people that hold our bonds, and not good for consumers. those interest rates are going to fly higher if we pass through this. >> we've talked about credit card, you know, interest rates. that also includes things like mortgage, rates right? it includes things, anything that's not a fixed rate. let's talk about how people will pay those bills. let's talk about jobs. our jobs potentially going to be impacted for americans if something happens with the debt ceiling? >> you can see that happen easily. already seen an economic slowdown. going to the debt ceiling is a call we don't need. it's its own goal, so to speak. we don't necessarily need. that that's going to put pressure on companies.

it's going to put pressure on banks, which are already under pressure to loan money to businesses to hire people. you can see the unemployment rate rising. you can see companies pull way back on that. guess what? we are already at record high debt for consumers, about 17 trillion dollars according to the feds latest reading on that. we're doing a lot of spending, facing a lot of uncertainty with the economy, and now the debt ceiling. >> so cnbc survey that we talked about in the beginning of your interview, it says only 45% of u.s. adults say that they actually have an emergency fund, or emergency savings. a quarter of those people say that they have less than $5,000 that are saved. how concerning is this considering that there's the possibility that with the inability to deal with the debt ceiling in washington, perhaps there is not money held back by americans to deal with their upcoming costs. >> not only, that we have record credit card, debt in the third of americans have more credit card than they have savings. we're getting this we imbalance right now and we're spending a lot of our --

in this year with credit cards, not able to pair. bills defaults are still pretty low compared to 2007, 2008, or delinquencies. we want to keep an eye on that. as we spend, more and get more financially stressed, inflation is, higher than i think that will get to a real problem and we stop spending. consumer spending is that 70% of u.s. gdp. we have to keep spending to keep the economy turning right now. there is concern, broadly, that we're going to stop spending, and that's going to send us into a deep recession. >> another thing that i would really like for you to maybe to spell in terms of misunderstandings, or misconceptions, is that presidential administrations live kind of in a vacuum and, quote, our financial situation is a, quote, biden problem, or biden administration problem. we've heard that events by people like, trump and other republicans, but the reality is, these administrations don't live in vacuums, right? these are events, and there is an impact on the system. it's like an ecosystem. it happens throughout the course of several administrations. >> absolutely. you can't necessarily say that

a, presidential presidential administration is responsible for a stock market economy. they are when things are happening. look what's happening as 19, 2020. obviously, the pandemic. these are things the president can't control, but the -- may impact americans. that goes from everything from reaching the debt ceiling agreement, to what they do with monetary policy with the -- what happens in washington does go down to americans across the spectrum -- >> before you go, janet is saying, june 1st is a very real deadline. that's literally and days how serious is that? they wouldn't be using this day if it wasn't a serious prospect. >> that's the day that we effectively run out of money, and can't parables. you're going to start to see the suspension of social security of medicare payments, potential closing the government offices a national, parts and, then potentially, a credit downgrade by the ratings agency. that's a very serious day to keep in mind. june, first americans really don't need this. we're already feeling stress,

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2023, and nationwide, there have already been 221 masters according to the gun violence archive. there have also been 7000 gun related deaths not including suicides. joining me now, what cross. his ten-year-old son, as i, also known as susie, was one of the 19 children killed in the robb elementary school shooting. brett, it's been a while since you and i had the chance to speak, so i want to thank you for always taking the time to join us. you and your wife, nikki, you've been going to that texas capitol every single week since january, since the legislature started. in just a few weeks ago, a house committee passed a bill. hb 20 7:44, it would've increase the minimum age to purchase a semiautomatic rifle from 18 to 21. then the bill went nowhere. the gunman who killed tuesday bought two ar-15 weapons just days after his 18th birthday. and, fact brett, you got forcibly removed from the

capital for yelling for those politicians to take the bill to the floor. they'll take action with you, but they won't take action to protect others? >> yes, absolutely. it just goes to show the texas legislature is that, you know? they don't care about children being massacred, but they do care, if you are a little loud in the capital. >> they want to silence people like you who are trying to effect change that affects all of us. in terms of silence, the uvalde officials are now asking for a space and privacy as the one year anniversary of that shooting approaches in just a few days. what's your response to that request? >> yeah, they didn't speak with any of the families about that. we have already put out a notification saying that we like the support. we don't get that support here in our community. we want the support from everywhere around the world.

>> when you say you're not getting support within the community, brad, are you talking about the city of uvalde? are you not feeling like the community has healed, and has tried to help in trying to help you will heal as a result of what happened last year? >> absolutely. we've had more people come out to support the superintendent stepping down then we've had come out to support our kids. yeah, we don't feel the support here. >> brett, people need to know, you are a gun owner. you own a 3:57 pistol for home protection. you've said, you don't need an assault rifle to protect your home. what's your response to the second amendment supporters who say that there should be able to own one if they just want to own one? >> yeah, that's like saying, you know, we should own anything that we want just because we want to. you know? we can't own fighter jets, cannily?

no. there were reasons for this. the thing, is people just like to argue semantics, and we're dane, when the reality is, children are dying, and your more worried about having fun with your little gun than anything else. it's sickening. >> one thing that you've said about losing your son, it was a, you said, quote, i told my kids that i would always be there to protect them. that nothing bad would happen to them. that school made a liar out of me. i wasn't going to let them do it again. you did that, sit in. i remember speaking with you in the parking lot of that sit in. can you let us know, what's the status of any investigation into what happened that day? why 376 officers sat outside for 77 minutes before even attempting to going? >> so gps has already closed out their investigation, they're not investigating themselves any longer. the school isn't doing any independent investigation, and

the city can't start there and investigation because -- are holding up information. right now, nobody is doing anything. >> brett, i noticed right now, and everyone looks at the screen, you are wearing a t-shirt, and the t-shirt has an image of the face of your son, susie, you wear a t-shirt with his face every day. one of the things you said is, if you can have them bear the burden of having your child on a short, having to wear the only image of your child undershirt day after day, then you're obviously better off, or stronger than you could be. what do you want to viewers to understand about the lasting trauma, and the impact on you and your family after you lost your son last year? >> just imagine that you are broken down into 1 million pieces, and you will never be able to fix yourself. this is the type of thing that

is ultimately indescribable. no matter how hard we try to describe to you, i mean, it's not going to -- you can't fathom. yet we don't want you to fathom that. this is why we fight to make these changes so that you don't have to stand in our shoes. i guarantee you don't want to join this club. this club is a club you don't want any part of. it's easier to fight when you haven't lost your child, then it is after you've lost your child. that's why we do everything that we can, because no matter what we say or, do nothing is bringing our kids back. it is protecting other peoples kids. >> brett, one of the other ways you honor the memory of susie's getting a tattoo of an upside down flag with the words, sounds of children screaming have been removed all the white stripes. you also got a tattoo of spider-man. you've asked people on social media to please honor your son tomorrow by wearing spider-man,

or the color red. can you please explain why? >> so the school district here has been honoring the kids these past few weeks, and i told them that i didn't want them to be a part of that because i didn't want them getting brownie points off of my son's name. now that all the kids have been honored in mentioned and everything, boozy is not going to be left out. we are asking everyone on monday, because the past few weeks, everyone's been honoring the other, kids in taking pictures, and their favorite shirts, in their favor designs, everything like that. now it's his turn. >> brett, we will honor uzi. i know this isn't an easy conversation, but you always take the time to explain. i appreciate you doing that with us this morning. i urge everyone to wear red, where spider-man tomorrow to honor the memory of uzi. but crossings, for joining us

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dea may just have an august surprise. and a new letter sent to fulton county officials, will assistance shock to most of her stuff to work remotely during the first three weeks of august. she request that judges not schedule trials in in-person hearings during that time. this move suggests that willis may be waiting for a grand jury to unseal indictments more than two years into investigation into whether donald trump's allies tried to interfere in the 2020 presidential election in georgia. and august happens to be the month of the first debate of the 2024 republican presidential primary. look at all of this mean for the twice impeached, now indicted, one turn disgraced ex president and his 2024 campaign? joining me now with alyssa discusses molly john, fast especial corresponded at vanity fair, and the host of the amazing fast politics podcast. molly, always good to have you here. i'm more than a little interested in this august

surprise. first, let's speak frankly, this would be one of another indictment i believe that's come down the pipeline for donald trump. and what is that about the timing of this vis-à-vis the august debate coming up, you, know in just a few weeks in terms of trying to see what happens with the gop primary? >> this is the problem that republicans have, right? they have a candidate to really has the basis, has the base of support. really, the basic doors this candidates. now, they, every one of these indictments make him less likely in a general election. it is this interesting dichotomy. i think it's going to be a real problem for them. >> we talked about this the other night with alex wagner, this is a different indictment of one comes in fulton county, right? putting aside a criticism of the hush money payment indictment, this is an indictment that's linked to directly the 2020 election results. do you think that moves the needle at all for them? >> no. in, fact i've written about this extensively.

one of the things that trump did really successfully, and why he was so successful, is that he convinced his base that they sort of lived in another world. he sort of had, he was very good at reality, and a very profound way that i don't think we've ever seen a politician do. i think that he has this relationship with the base that is not focused on reality, in fact, if you see polling most polling about, you know, in the gop base, shows that they don't, electability is not their number one concern for trump. you wrote a piece just recently, and you talked about how his, quote, superpower, trump superpower is his ability to live. you said trump's untruth sack as a bear, a protective all around him. when trump said he built the wall, maybe that's what he means. desantis's name, she's going to announce this week is what he said, he's put in the mix as the gop primary contender against trump. if you are desantis, if you're

telling him what to, do you tell him to focus on the lies, or putin to focus on the truths? >> well the problem that desantis keeps happiness that he can't quite say that trump lost. he says that he wants to run as a winner. so you can't run is a winner if you refused to about the other guy lost. ultimately, i don't think the base is going to love him for explaining to them that their guy lost. i think that is really the problem for to santas. one of the other problems for desantis, which i think is so interesting, it's that he's not a very charismatic politician. that's been written about ad nauseam. still, the national review crowd loves him, and still things that they're going to be able to trick the space into changing from, trump who they're really attached to, and who they find charismatic, desantis, who is not charismatic and who also has to sort of, you know, debunk the lies of trump a little bit, anyway. >> also talk about some of the other baggage for donald trump.

our friend, each you, carroll securing a victory in her defamation and civil sexual battery trial. giuliani just getting served with a huge lawsuits, also alleging sexual battery. one element that's meant octave out a lot, is that there were included in this allegation of this lawsuit and the middle of dunfee, that trump was selling presidential pardons for $2 million a pop. giuliani, and trump, are going to split. that how concerned should americans be if there's a possibility? let me read this number. hours before leaving office, trump had 74, people and commute the sentence -- of should there be a concern that pardons are for sale? there's the pay to play that could be going on there. >> it's one of the many concerns that people should have about trump, and trumpism. i, mean again, with all the stuff with rooney, could you prove it? can you prove that trump knew. trump's greatest feet was that he never used the mail, right? so it's very hard to tie him to a lot of the stuff.

with this, it's so interesting that rudy. stuff it's all has come, you know, it's been able to be prosecuted through this adult survivors act. this was signed into law by our female governor who we would not have had if not for me to. i think that it's pretty interesting that we would not have had this huge need to, you know, revival, had not been for the election of donald trump. i do think it's pretty interesting. again, i don't know that e. jean carroll's victory, and a court, telling trump that he had to pay for $5 million, you know, for defamation, and sexual assault, will move the needle in the base. i think it would move the needle in the general. that's what we see again and again with trumpism, right? trumpism has a hold on ruby red states, and the. basic can scale to the -- so i think it's possible that republicans bind themselves in this problem again and again, with just -- >> so let's see what happens in august, that desantis announces this, week we'll have you back.

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excess as a black americans the last 22 years compared to white americans. this isn't a conversation about genetics or behavior. it's about the environment of historically redline communities. it's about an equal health care access. it's about the actual quality of care that black patients are receiving. from one of the most glaring examples, just take a look at maternal mortality worldwide. maternal mortality, unicef says, about 21 of every 100,000 mothers in the u.s. die in childbirth. that's less than mexico's 59, but more than canada's 11. now if you pull apart those current numbers, you're going to see how unequal the burden. as the kaiser family foundation, pretty much any -- says that black women have the highest risk of dying in pregnancy and childbirth. this leads the country with more than 41 deaths per 100,000 birds. joining me, now the perfect person to talk about this is dr. blackstock. she is the founder and ceo vance in health equity. she's an msnbc medical contributor, and the author of

the forthcoming book, legacy, a block physician reckons with racism and medicine. it's due out in january 2024. dr. blackstock, i had to have you want to talk about this. we were just talking on the commercial before the segment started about how naively i used to believe that there are areas of life that you would never expect to find racism. i always thought that's a place like health, care medicine, it's supposed to be colour-blind. how naive might i think that's the case? >> i, know. katie and as i replied to you i said, health care is a social institution just like employment, just like housing, just like education. we see how embedded racism is in all of those other social institutions. it is to be expected that it would also be and health care. we also have a history in this country, i mean, history from slavery forward of racism being part of how medicine can health care is practiced. even started from slavery when

enslaved black women were actually experimented on to develop a new surgical techniques. >> you know how to basically accomplish mother and physician. your sister is a physician as well. your mother, a physician as well. all of you graduating from harvard. you are unicorns, we talked about. that ucla study finding that the proportion of u.s. positions who are black, only 5.4%, an increase of only four percentage points over the last 120 years. how much does the lack of representation, even in the positions in the caregivers, how does that affect what we're seeing a medical racism? >> katie, those numbers are staggering. you'd expect more progress to be made. after 20 years. it's even more concerning for black male physicians, the numbers have gone down since the 1960s. so fewer percentage of black male physicians. i think what that tells us says, there is a problem with the pipeline. that pipeline of creating black health professionals needs to start from as early as

possible. even from pre-k, nursery schools, we need to make sure that we're exposing young people, and children, that this is a possibility, but also the resources, the mentorship, the sponsorships to help them get through that pipeline. we know that having block physicians, and other health professionals makes a difference. we know this improves people who are more likely to take their medications, they're more likely to follow their doctors recommendations, the more likely to feel scene, and, heard unappreciated during their doctors visits. >> speaking of. doctors visits, this was wild to me, and really alarming. 40% of black patients making a point of showing that they're educated when they go to visit with a doctor. 35% are code switch a, meaning they change their speech patterns of their behavior for their doctors comfort. 32% pay special attention to how they dress. so, we actually have it impact on communities of color, especially black communities, and the way that they're even presenting themselves in order

to obtain necessary health care? >> it is so heartbreaking. , kdlt you this. i, as a patient, do the same thing. >> wow. >> i am of has a sham. i always want to make sure that when i go to see a new health professional, they know that i know what i'm talking about. they know that i'm not just walking off the street, right? there have been studies, studies just like this that show, actually, this is going to make a difference. you can do all that you, can you can try to coax, what you can try to make sure that your dress neatly, put on your best dress, actually, it doesn't make much of a difference with health professionals. there are still going to have those embedded biases. just because you go into health care, and you want to do the right thing, it doesn't mean that you always do the right thing. right? you have to be intentional about recognizing your own biases, and also, recognizing what are the social factors that are influencing your patients lives. why are they coming in with these chronic medical disease says? it's not just because they're not 80 while, it's because they live in food deserts. they lack access to quality,

culturally responsive care. you know, you to think about all of those external systemic factors, instead of blaming the patient. >> i got 30, seconds but i did want, to ask them so excited for your book to come. out january 2024. why, now why this book? >> thank you so much. this is a book about being a second generation black women position, using both my mother, and my own professional and personal experiences position late in the systemic inequities. basically, this causes a huge racial health inequities. it's also a call to action. i have actual action items in there for different groups to take with them after they read this book, because there is racism in the past, and in the president, and we see the staggering numbers every single individual needs to make a difference. we need to make sure that this crisis does not continue. >> your book will be amazing, we're also excited here. i wanted to say before we left that these racial inequities, they actually have a financial toll. if that's not enough for, you if you're not outraged by just

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