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good afternoon to you. i'm yasmin vossoughian, we have breaking news on the debt ceiling negotiations. word a short time ago of a white house meeting tomorrow between president joe biden house speaker kim mccarthy. a sign of hope after the two men spent today selling very different versions of the senator talks. >> i've done my part. we put forth a proposal to cut spending by more than a trillion dollars. at the top of the nearly three trillion dollars of reduction, i am pleased to propose the spending cuts and new revenue. now it's time for the other side to move, they have very extreme positions. >> the president has really shifted right after the more progressive socialist wing of the party stood up and said they want to spend more money. he's now bringing something to the table that everyone said was off the table. >> so members of congress are holding their breath as we are just a couple days away from default, with the finger-pointing coming fast and

furiously. >> i am putting the challenge out there, basically. country first. country first. under no scenario should anyone except for some of the maga republican members of the house say that defaulting on our debt is a good thing. we're not really sure what deal is even on the table. the white house is not serious, they came out with a proposal to spend over $30 million more than they already wanted to spend. >> but the republicans have done something cruel, it is outrageous. it is devastating to tens of millions of people. >> also this hour, new tales emerging about the suspect in the murders of four college students, just ahead of a court hearing tomorrow. he will come face to face with the families of the victims. all that plus texas leading the way in the war on trans kids. i'm going to speak to two moms of transgender children, one in

texas, one in a utah. both trying to keep their children safe. that story is ahead. we want to begin, though, with the latest on capitol hill. for all the action is happening, in the high stakes delimitation's that are happening. we learned just a short time ago that the president is flying home from japan, spoke with leader mccarthy and had a, quote, productive conversation. speaker mccarthy saying they intend to meet tomorrow one-on-one, without other negotiators in the room. we want to bring in nbc's -- we've been reporting on this throughout the day. julie, if you will, i know speaker mccarthy at one point came out. talk us through what elsie had to say. >> and boy, what a tonal shift, right? from just this morning, when we spoke to the speaker, when he entered the building after his appearance on fox news. he was slamming the president, slamming white house negotiators and saying they are very far apart. last hour, the speaker came out flanked by his top ally, garrett gray sue has been

leading negotiations with the white house this entire week. and he told us that it was a productive call, as you mentioned. big news coming out of their, that president biden asked to sit down with the speaker tomorrow. as you know, president biden is on his way back from japan, from the g7 right now. he talked to the president from air force one, he talked to speaker mccarthy from air force one, and the two had a good call. they are moving in the right direction, no agreements unjust but anything is we are 11 days away from the default deadline. everything from work requirements to permitting reform. all of these issues still on the table, according to speaker mccarthy. take a listen to what he had to say to us. >> i just finished a phone call with the president. first we talked a lot about his trip over there, some positive things that took place. he spent a lot of time talking about the debt ceiling, where we currently are. and i believe it was a productive phone call. when he's, back he will be back

late tonight and tomorrow. we'll have to meet him, he will need to have some sleep. and we agree that he and i will look at it together tomorrow, and see what we can come up with. >> so a big question on americans minds as they're waiting for this deadline that is looming here. i asked speaker mccarthy if he re-committed with the president this morning, as they've been saying all along, that they will do everything to avoid the default. he told me that, look, they passed a bill. the house republicans passed a bill that they know is dead on arrival. the senate can take that bill up if they want, to we already know that that is not going to happen. we also know a clean debt limit hike is not going to happen, either. republicans to control the house said they will not go for that. so right, now we are looking forward to that meeting between the president, between speaker mccarthy tomorrow. tonight, we are also expecting it around 60 am. the negotiators, and back here from the white house to meet with garret graves. to meet with patrick mchenry. the two top allies that mccarthy has entrusted with this process. but bottom line, a big total

shift, it looks like we're moving towards progress. despite yesterday being a bad day. now we are looking forward. >> 205 in the afternoon, of course. progress on a sunday, we will see what happens in the coming hours. as the talks continue. thank you. we want to get to the presidents view on his top priority, after cutting his g7 trip short. we want to bring in the chief white house correspondent -- peter, my friend, as always it's great to talk to you. the president just a short time ago tweeting about these urgent debt talks. we did this in the news conference. he was saying that they were extreme positions, accusing them of ratcheting up their demands, and dismissing them as unacceptable. now it appears that at least the tone has shifted on both

sides a bit, in anticipation of this meeting to take place in washington tomorrow afternoon. here is what the president tweeted. i will radio. he said, it's time for house republicans to accept that there is no bipartisan deal on default, to be made solely on their terms. i put forward a plan to cut spending by over one trillion dollars over ten years. on top of three trillion in deficit reduction, i previously proposed that they need to move to. those are the words of the president, tweeting from on board air force one as it makes its way back towards washington right now. the president was also pressed during today's news conference by fox news, who asked him if he would be blameless if america did have a default. take a listen. >> on the merits, based on what i have offered, i would be blameless. on the politics of, it no one would be blameless. and by the, way that's one of the things that some are

contemplating. i've got to be careful here. i think there are some mega republicans in the house who know the damage that it would do to the economy. and because i am president and presidents are responsible for everything, that is one way to make sure the fights not going to be reelected. >> a pretty sharp accusation from president biden. and as we heard from janet yellen today, saying that that june 1st deadline for potentially catastrophic default, she said it's not going to shift, and if the u.s. does hit that deadline, they're not able to pay all of its bills, that some of those bills will go unpaid. if you're asking if is any other way around this, could the president act unilaterally here by invoking the 14th amendment, the president did address that today as well yasmin.

he acknowledged that it would take time and they would get caught up in the courts. and there's not enough time for that to be resolved. so at least for now, it looks like that is off the table. although it is an issue he would be interested in finding some better clarity on going forward. >> peter, did they express any worry about -- remember the cnn town hall of former president donald trump? he was asked with a debt ceiling negotiations, and he said he would be fine with defaulting. as that messaging reached the far-right of the republican party? >> i think what i was struck by in part of that soundbite we played a short time ago is they did say that there were some maga republicans who are trying to capitalize on the default. if the nation were to default,

viewing that as an opportunity to try to lay that on the economy would be catastrophic. and trying to push him out of his bid for reelection in 2024. so i think that did play its way into the conversation today. but you'll remember that the leaders on both side are saying that they have agreed that the nation cannot default right now. but i've got to tell you, with just 11 days to, go we're only a week and a half away. this really does feel like it's going down to the late innings right now. you don't even need to default for there to be an economic impact. the united states, obviously, had its credit rating downgraded back in 2011. as country invaded a default, narrowly. >> thank you. we are keeping a close eye, everybody, on those debt ceiling negotiations. we're going to bring updates as they happen, and then two hours ahead. in the next 60 seconds, though, new information on the suspect at the university of idaho

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daniel penny is defending his actions in his first interview since the subway chokehold killing earlier this month in new york city. the 24-year-old former marine talked exclusively with the new york post, telling them they had nothing to do with race, and he's not a white supremacist. penny was caught on cell phone video, putting a black 30-year-old homeless man named jordan neely in a chokehold in which he subsequently died from, monday first. he claims he was protecting people from nearly and is currently charged with second degree manslaughter. all right, tomorrow, the man accused of killing four students at the university of idaho is expected to enter a plea to four first degree murder charges. 28 year old bryan goldberger was identified by a grand jury last week. he was initially arrested back

in december, more than a month after the tragic death of the students. i want to bring in -- who has more on this. if you will, walk us through the expectations we have as these legal proceedings get underway in this case. >> sure. so tomorrow, we expect for this indictment to be unsealed. it could provide new evidence, possibly a motive. cole berger is expected to plead not guilty, but he could also ask for continuance so gives his defense time to go to this indictment. we know that once he enters a plea, the state has 16 days,, yasmin to decide whether they want to seek the death penalty. >> there is still also, dana, a lot of mystery surrounding this case. what can you tell us about this report that we are hearing about the subsequent behavior before the murders? >> a lot of this comes from friday. according to a source with inside knowledge to this case,

we know that investigators found a knife sheath at the crime scene. that's what they tell us, and the dna on it matched coal burger. according to the source, just months before these murders he went online, amazon, and bought a fixed blade knife, the type of weapon investigators believe was used in this case. and a knife sheath. so his personality, and the way he treated women. we are told also by that source that cool burger told a woman during his graduate program, and when i she came home and found items in her apartment moved around. nothing was taken, so she didn't call police. but called kolberg, or who according to the seas came over and install this video surveillance camera, and

according to this source, police believe that if he were close enough to her apartment, hate would be able to upload that surveillance footage because he knew her password. investigators are also pointing to sources saying that he was creepy, and one woman believed that he tried to follow her. so it's adding to this sense of, who is brian kohberger, and could've possibly done this crime? it's important to know that he has not been convicted of these murders. nor has he been charged in any of the other reports that we are hearing about. >> dana griffin for us. thank you. coming up, everybody, exchanging political attacks on live television? as the debt limit deadline looms. >> you just got made famous. >> we are going to tell you what led to that moment with senator bernie sanders this morning on msnbc. plus, what's happening inside the county d.a. office as we

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a new clues this weekend on when charges might come in the election interference investigation of donald trump's allies in georgia. the details coming for months after the d.a. said a decision on charges was quote unquote imminent. they sent a letter this week to the chief judge at the county courthouse, asking him not to hold any trials or in person hearings the weeks of august 7th and 14th. she said she would announce charges relate to the investigation during the court's fourth term, which runs from july 11th to september 1st. i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst, and also the co-host of the sisters in law podcast. it's always great to talk to you about this. do you see some of these indicators of what they've already done the last couple of days, as advanced warning of

what is to come? >> i do. i think, yasmin, asking something so extraordinary of course. she's also asked her own employees to work from home during a period of time in august. it really does signal to me that she plans to unseal an indictment during that time. and not only that, but to unseal an indictment charging donald trump. that would really be the only reason she would be so concerned about public safety. and you'll note, she doesn't promise a particular day, which i think is wise. because that could be a siren call for something like january 6th. for all the trump supporters to show up, so she gives a wide enough range so that she can have a little bit of an element of surprise. but it seems to me, it is very likely we will see an indictment during that weekend. >> when you have this kind of warning that something is

coming, or three months out at this point, we didn't see this coming from the manhattan d.a.'s indictment. how are they preparing right now for a charging decision? >> as you mentioned, they saidat and they've already proceeded in the special grand jury, with recommendations according to one of the grand jurors to indict these people. but it sounds like what has happened in this case something that happens very often in cases, which is it is always so dicey to pretty timeframe. and her case has gotten better, she has entered into immunity deals with a number of the fake electors. and has flipped some of those people. so it's very difficult to know when you will be done with a case and it sounds like she believes that she's close, but not quite done. and in addition, we've given some advanced notice for people

in security in cases like this. new york city is kind of in a class of its own instability prepare for special events. pretty potentially a terrorist event. but in georgia, like the other 49 states, and the rest of america, a little more challenging for martial resources. giving suit them some advanced notice so they can bring it reinforcements and make sure they're adequately prepared, have a plan, that is something that is probably a very important thing. and perhaps a request she got from some of the workforce agencies there. >> let's switch gears while i have. you i want to talk about the special counsel investigating the probe into trump ties with russia in 2016, and how they recently released this support. they criticize the fbi for, amongst other things, opening a formal investigations to do a preliminary one. you're saying the only difference between full and preliminary is the duration and the authorities that may be used. this is a hair splitting quibble, and one on which fbi

officials routinely disagree. talk more about this part. >> yeah, this is in no way misconduct. the inspector general's report from 2019 concluded that there was no political motivation in opening this case. if there is some sort of factual articulation of a crime or a national security issue, and the fbi can open an investigation. they can't just go fishing on people for political motives or because they are exercising some sort of first amendment right. but here, we know that the thing that precipitated the opening of this was a combination of two factors. one, the theft by the dnc, the hacking by russia of the dnc. and then george papadopoulos telling australian diplomats that they had received overtures from the trump campaign. that they were going to get helped. and so the combination of those two things is what caused the opening of the investigation. and what do you call preliminary? it is a minor quibble, they had

adequate premeditation. so there was nothing it was misconduct. >> let's talk about the sister in law's podcast tour that you are currently on. i've been watching on instagram, i know you were on alicia's show yesterday, as well. you sold out the gramercy theater here in new york. we are going to be in d.c., as well. e. jean carroll was in the audience. how is it going? what are the topics that are being discussed? >> i think it's going great, he has. many thanks for asking. tonight, we're going to be at -- and we find that so many people are interested in just learning more about these issues in the news. they know that there are people out there who put a spin on things, to advance a political agenda. and they just want to understand. so our goal is to help explain the news so people can form their own opinions. and it seems like there's an appetite for that, which is great. it means people are engaged in our democracy. >> they all want to show to see you in person, as we all. do as always, best of luck my

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well president biden speaker mccarthy are set to meet face to face tomorrow, both sides have taken a debate to the airwaves this morning, this senator bernie sanders and senator mccarthy appear on different shows at the same time, leading to this moment. >> mccarthy is on fox right now, and he has just said this. people like bernie and aoc say something to the white house, and the white house entirely changes its view. so kevin mccarthy is no directly calling you out by name. just seconds ago, on fox news for being the reason the discussion about this has broken down. he responds? >> well, i don't very much. but the white house says republicans -- stop the hypocrisy and stop defending the billionaire class from paying their fair share of taxes.

if i've had any role of -- >> i want to bring in nbc national correspondent to talk more about this. it's great to talk to you. we have talked a lot about the right flank of the republican party, and how they're influencing these negotiations. specifically, what we don't know when they gave kevin mccarthy the votes. right? talk to us, if you, well about the influence of the left flank of the democratic party. the progressive arm of the democratic party in these negotiations. >> i think the big influence is that they were both of holding the line against any spending cuts. there is a lot of effort on the left to find ways around the debt ceiling increase right now,

but the white house seems to be putting a hold on those. there's a lot of long term solutions, but for the most part, what you're getting from president biden's left flank -- for the time being. there is going to be a lot of directions in which the finger can be pointed. >> you may want to move closer to your modem, as we continue to have some connectivity issues. if we're talking about who will see the blame here, the president talk about himself. politically, he feels as if the blame could fall on his feet, right? because if they default and this economy takes a tumble, and we're inside of an election year, who are they going to point the finger at? that's the democratic party. is that how you see this playing out? if in fact they default.

>> yeah, there is the policy risk which is to everybody in the country. the political risk, the greatest burden is borne by the president. because the economy falls apart. that will be difficult for him. >> let's talk maga republicans, as well. i want to play for you what the president said this morning about the influence they are having on these talks. >> i think there are some maga republicans in the house who know the damage that it would do to the economy. and because i am president, and the president is responsible for everything, biden will take the blame. that is the one way to make sure biden is not reelected. >> he just, sit right? what i mentioned a little bit earlier. but what i think is interesting, i asked this of peter alexander. there was a moment in which the former president said he wouldn't care if america

defaulted on its loans. if they didn't pay off their loans. how much do you think that is factoring into what maga republicans are doing in these negotiations? especially austin knowing what mccarthy agreed to for those votes? >> it's a significant factor. most of the republicans we're talking about are not in districts where they're going to pay a price. they're not going to lose a general election based on -- and to your point, trump is out here saying that if they don't get everything they want, they should force a default. so remember, president trump owned the government shut down a couple of years ago. this is the same position now. >> i know. as always, we thank you. we appreciate it. may, everybody, is mental

health awareness month in the u.s.. it's also asian american and pacific islander heritage month. in an exclusive interview with nbc news, xavier becerra laid out his departments important plans for the issues connected to both of those. we have the details. >> for the first time at this scale in eight years, hhs secretary javier becerra kicked off a white house summit for asian american, native hawaiian, and pacific islander heritage month. a subject that is personal to him. i went to school with a very diverse community, very heavily asian. many similar traits to the latino community. many immigrant families, many who come, hoping to do more. never having had a chance to go to college, and i relate to so many of the fights and struggles that folks in this community have. >> what did you see last year

that actually works to combat this perception of violence in the community? >> we've heard about some of these hate crimes that are out there, targeting a and h p i. it's a fight that we do together. it's not just one particular community. >> the biden administration released its first ever strategy for the aa and hpi community. it includes plans for the federal agencies, including addressing hate, and cultivating community partnerships among others. the secretary also took note of how business can help. mentioning the new barbie doll, as this month, with the first asian american hollywood star. actress anime won. >> when you have that toy, have that mentor, and you can see yourself in that. because for too many years, for 20 generations, one couldn't see themselves. >> let's shift over to mental health awareness month. how are we doing?

how many people are going through this every year? >> when 90% of the american public says that america is experiencing a mental health crisis, that bar is really high. we have established 988, which is working fabulously well in letting those who are on the edge, who are about to take the wrong fork in the road and maybe commit suicide, and they now can call or text or chat 988. >> downward ousts digna, a new tool just released by his department. >> you cannot go on this website and get assistance. i have -- >> it's like 988, except it's -- >> one of the reasons we still have such a crisis in mental health is because people don't want to admit it. in many ways, it's a bad word. >> i want to apologize there. i made a mistake and pronouncing the secretary's name. we are thankful for him giving us an interview, and thank you

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as zelenskyy is refuting claims that russia has recapture the city of bakhmut. zelenskyy telling reporters, the ukrainian troops remain in the city but it has been totally demolished by russia's assault. joining me now is -- >> i know that you have sirens going off right now. we can hear them in your background, we want to make sure everything is okay and we are a okay to proceed with this report. >> yasmin, we are definitely. the sirens just started going off. we got to kharkiv, of course, 25 miles from the russian border. the easternmost ukrainian city. we've now heard the sirens twice, we'll definitely keep you posted. if whatever reason we have to get going. >> molly, while zelenskyy made his point clear about control of bakhmut, one of his generals was telling a different story. can you explain the disparity we are hearing here?

>> i can walk you through what we are hearing from both signs, including top ukrainian generals. he leads the russian mercenary group. so we'll just walk back a couple days, and, look for our audience, buckman has been the fight line, it is been the fiercest fighting flask couple of months. and the ukrainian military has made their most battlefield advancements in the last week. what we heard on saturday was from the wagner group. they were in full control, and they said there were no ukrainian soldiers, because we've stopped taking ukrainian prisoners. this is where the discrepancy is coming from, yasmin. they talked about ukraine still

controlling the outskirts, and they are still performing offensive actions. if you ask the ukrainians, there is still a battle going on they are still in the fight. >> we have known now the commitment of these f-16s to be sent to ukraine by g7 countries. we are now learning more today on how these fighter jets are going to be used. >> why don't we take a listen? i have a flat assurance from zelenskyy that they will not use it to go on movement to

ruffin geographic stick territory. but wherever russian troops are within ukraine, they will do that. >> yasmin, not moving into geographic territory. over the russian border, the united states recognizes that anywhere the russian troops have occupied inside ukraine. president biden is saying it is fair game. i've got to say, we just came from kyiv, yasmin. we've been back in the country about a week, and there's a real sense, there's a real momentum among the ukrainians. of course, president zelenskyy in europe, and now this big trip to japan. but all of this military aid that is coming in is no longer the same as the last phase of military aid to help ukraine stand the war. there's a sense that this new round of military, eight including the f-16s, including the patriot air defense systems, may be contributing to ukraine's real effort to end the war, yasmin. >> molly, we thank you. coming up atop the hour, the president is on his way back

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patients to wean themselves off of treatment medications. joining me now is molly karns, a texas mother was a transgender mother. and the mother of a trans child, and also a physician as well. i want to get both of your views on this, as parents of transgender children, first and foremost. molly, all start with you. and what this is doing to them, seeing this attack on who they are. >> thank you for having me. it's devastating. we parents have seen the lifesaving benefits of this care, and we've been fighting for this for years. our children feel like the entire weight of the state is resting on them to target them. i know for my daughter, it was life-changing. it was life-saving.

we saw the light come back into her eyes in a way that we hadn't seen since early childhood. it's also infuriating, just the way that the bill was pushed through, and public comment was so silenced. where it appears that the public was split, and the hearing process was so manipulated that over 400 voices were silenced. and my daughter there, and my mother who is 94 and lives with us. my daughter was trying to train texas as long as she could, to stay with a grandmother. but it's just not safe for her anymore. she feels unsafe in this state, and the other republican platform changed in june to say that they oppose any gender care through age 22. so even though my daughter is over 18 we don't really have a comfort that she would be okay long enough to finish college

here. >> state senator plummet, what about you? >> you know, it's been really a mixed bag for me. as a physician, as a pediatrician, as a mom, and now as someone in the policy space, i have also seen a really tremendous strength that has come from my daughter in a standing firm in who she is, and her authenticity. one of the questions that you all asked about how do we keep them safe, and i asked her specifically, how she thought i should answer that. and she said, well, i hope that you'll represent that i'm also doing a really good job of keeping myself safe, to. and i thought, here is a woman who's truly thriving and is truly square and where they are. but it's been really devastating to have our love and compassion and care for our kids questions. as if we are not doing what is right for them. what is truly best for them, and what is saving their lives and bringing out the true

beauty that they are. i have a straight a student kid that got numerous awards throughout high school, and is making films, and is volunteering in several different community spaces. and loves her community. yet is conflicted because she feels like there is a faction within her community that doesn't love and value her. >> that's so incredibly tough. as a child, to feel. as an adult, as anybody to feel. molly, i want to play some of your testimony against the house bill in texas, which is identical to the senate bill. and then we'll talk. >> as a small child, my daughter told us she needed ten hugs a day to be happy. by adolescents, she was so uncomfortable in her own skin, we have to ask permission to touch her. the young woman who now says that her love language's physical touch couldn't bear to be touched for years. as a parent, i have witnessed what life saving medical care

did for her. she is now joyfully living who god created her to be. >> you call this lifesaving medical care, which is incredible to hear. you talk about the possibility of your daughter likely leaving texas, and she's at the age that she can do that, right? but what does this make you feel? how does this make you feel? about the younger kids that are behind her. and if texas and governor abbott signed this into law. >> it's heartbreaking, really. i'm of course in a circle of other parents of trans kids who are making contingency plans, trying to find care in other states, making plans to move. trying to assure their children that they will be okay, and that they will be able to continue this care. which has changed their lives for the better. so it's really, really heartbreaking. and just the rhetoric and the

debates that happen are dangerous. because the increase in the hateful speech we are seeing really makes me worried for the safety of trans teens. >> state senator plum, your state, utah, banned gender forming care back in january. according to a group called the movement advancement project, some 18 states have now banned gender forming medication for transgender youth. alabama, florida, idaho, oklahoma. they have made it a felony to provide gender affirming care. what do you think is fueling this? >> that was my very first committee hearing as elected, was to walk into health and human services and have that bill be there. so it still brings up some pretty decent emotions for me. because i felt very strongly that there was this faction

that was bringing in rhetoric that was exploiting fears and anxieties around what people don't know, and perhaps what people don't have a comfort zone with. bringing in experts from around the nation to bring in a very terrifying points that were not completely reflective of reality. we had dozens and dozens of folks there, families that wanted to speak to how their families were doing. and so it does feel to me that there is this function is determined, absolutely determined to make the united states terrified of our trans youth and loved ones. and it's dangerous. and it's also really wrong, because we need to focus on love, on care, on compassion, on learning more, and on being better. >>