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generations. >> shattered only lawyers and congratulations and good luck to all of the grounds of 2023. that's it for us, y'all. thanks for watching symone on this sunday. i'm simone sanders townsend, and you can catch us here on msnbc weekends at 4 am eastern. and anytime over on peacock, where i do episodes on the msnbc hub every monday. for more on this show, including behind the scenes videos, you won't see anywhere else, find us on instagram, twitter, and tiktok. politics nation with a great reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, and welcome to politicsnation. tonight's lead, let's make a deal.
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right now, president biden is flying back to washington with a deadline looming. nbc news is reporting tonight that republican house speaker mccarthy had what he said was a productive call with the president earlier today. the two leaders agreed to sit down one-on-one tomorrow in pursuit of a bipartisan compromise on the debt ceiling hike. before leaving the gc some of this morning in japan. we are seeing this right now on
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capitol hill. >> i think there are some maga republicans in the house who know the damage this would do to the economy. because i am president, and presidents are responsible for everything. biden also announced another round of military aid to ukraine. reiterating support for ukraine's defense with russia. i will be talking about it with senator bill cardin, he joins me just a minute. plus the gop presidential field grows even larger this week. south carolina senator tim scott making his 2024 white house bid official tomorrow. florida governor ron desantis is expected to do the same this week. do either of them have the
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tools and the temperament to take on the apparent gop front runner, donald trump? my political panel looks ahead to the week's big announcements. but first, joining me now is south carolina congressman, jim clyburn. assistant democrat leader in the u.s. house. first of all thanks for joining us. we are less than two weeks away from what the fed says a deadline to raise the nation's debt ceiling. republican speaker kevin mccarthy will being imprisoned tomorrow. without the other leaders.
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this would be economically catastrophic. house republicans are still calling for massive cuts on federal spending. i certainly hope so. the fact of the matter is that the president is exactly right. those two presidents are the ones in charge, and that means that if the house republicans refuse to cooperate, it should take action and go ahead and do it. and worry less about what
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they're going to do with it later. and they will be called into question. in 2011, when we came close to something like this, we know what it costs the economy when we did. if we were to do this, it would be catastrophic. and i think that the president will being an investment in the office. thousands of people lost their jobs, authoritarians more will lose it if they get close. you're talking about spending cuts.
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this is going to affect people, this is nothing to play with. let me ask you about south carolina, and you are certainly the man in south carolina. scott has reportedly friendly relationships with the front runner, former president trump. what is your take on senator scott's decision as a fellow south carolina ian?
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with the governor of south carolina, we don't agree on anything politically. but we do agree on working together in order to better the citizens of south carolina. we don't agree politically, but we do agree that we should work together to do it is necessary for south carolina. if he were to be the winner of that primary, president biden
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supporter replace new hampshire. to avoid, quote, embarrassment. citing the presidents early primaries, three years ago. it's primarily reinvigorated his candidacy. primarily leading off of new hampshire, it didn't have favorable democrat demographics. and don't reflect the kind of correlation that have to assemble the general election. can you explain your thoughts on this? >> i would hope people look at the full interview and see what i said. i went back to 1965, with the reduction of lyndon johnson. i talked about him creating
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living geisha and, medicare. the voting rights act, and then if you recall, how productive that was. he went up to new hampshire and in new hampshire they caused him to get out of the race. that's what i said. it had nothing to do with what was reported and the fact of the matter is i do believe that when you represent an electorate, that it benefits from the voting rights act, it benefits from the element of secondary education act. benefits from the rescue plan. benefits from these programs that this president has done. the inflation reduction act. >> if you do not benefit from that, you may not have that as your primary interest. if you are voting in primaries and that is all i meant. -- in 1965 and leader, the primary
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of 1960. and what is going on now. and i stand by that. >> i think in 1968 i remember i was only 13, but i was already -- and i think it was jean mccarthy that -- johnson in new hampshire. so just to show you how long i've been -- remember jean mccarthy. before we lose you, let me ask you this, congressman, daniel penny is currently facing manslaughter charges for the so-called killing of jordan neely. he broke his melia silence, telling the new york post that i am deeply stand by the loss of life, it is tragic what happened to him and hopefully we can change the system that is so desperately failing them. a judge a person based on their character. i am not wipe supremacist.
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congressman, i look at the article and it made no sense. no one said he was a white supremacist, they questioned why he was police released and while -- he has got to prove the trump demanded eight. they are trying to change the premise. daniel penny has been embraced by many conservatives over the last weeks for his extra judiciary killing of an armorer black man when he is not in law enforcement at all. among those supporters as florida governor ron desantis, who's pressed team accused -- divisive in jordan's eulogy for calling him and others out for him being, desantis, for praising pennies actions and restoring the bible in the good samaritans. as a 2024, as it approaches, what does it say to you that we have people seeking to leave
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the country for supporting what i see is vigilante activism, whatever the motive, on the subways of new york, and raising money for them? >> i find it very strange. number one, where did the black supremacist -- raising that issue. i remember that never being talked about it all, and maybe he would know something i don't know. however, i also found it very strange that people would come to the aid of the accused, rather than come to the support of the judicial system. all i've got to say about that is, let the judiciary have it's a. let's step out of the way. he committed an act, he was arrested for that act. i am supporting the mayor of new york and his interpretations of that. we ought to let the the judicial process run its course
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then fund-raise and take positions that we are not involved in. that, to me, says something that we all need to be careful about. >> i agree. and i think i agree, even the mayor said that they need to have a real -- how we deal with homelessness and mental health, which i said should involve those lawyers -- which i think he will. thank you congressman jim kleinberg for being on with us tonight. joining me now is democratic maryland senator -- thank you for joining me tonight. senator clyde mitt, and you sit on the front of the issues committee. supporting -- 375 million dollar package of military aid to ukraine told president zelenskyy that d. with the current standoff over
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the debt ceiling, and an election here coming up, are you confident that the u.s. can continue its commitment to support ukraine? >> first of all, it's good to be with you. it is, ukraine is the front line in the defense of democracy. who russia did unprovoked attacks in ukraine, we must stand with ukraine and its defense. i am fully in support of what president biden has said about providing the additional weapons that president zelenskyy needs and i think there are strong bipartisan support for the house and senate to make sure we give ukraine what they need to defend themselves. we recognize that they are really on the frontline of our defense so yes i do believe that despite the differences we might have an agenda budgetary issues and the debt ceiling, there will be bipartisan support to make sure that ukraine gets what it needs. >> the nra filed a lawsuit
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against your state of maryland, almost immediately after -- signed a new good control legislation into law on tuesday. the -- schools, hospitals and other public places. senator, the nra is claiming that the bill is unconstitutional. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, governor we are trying to protect the safety of the people of maryland, this is a common sense gun safety provision i hope that -- what they will do but i know what he did was right. we can't stand by and do nothing and -- we know that the availability of weapons, including concealed weapons, are adding to the challenges for public safety so i hope the courts will then allow our governor to do what he needs to do to get --
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. >> you announced earlier this month that the u.s. is not seeking reelection after serving in the senate for three terms, creating a wide open race to succeed you. can you talk about why you decided to retire now, and your thoughts on your retirement this sunday? now that you have an end date in sight. >> thanks to that question. it really is an eight year decision for me two years in the election in the 60 return. so i have to recognize -- i will have served consecutively, 58 years continuously as a legislator. and i think it is the right decision -- for giving me the opportunity to serve them for so many years. i am proud of what i've been able to get done and i'm committed to doing everything i can during the next 20 months to do everything i can to help the people of maryland and difficult with issues of our country. >> senator, you recently
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richard usta bill to restore voting rights in federal elections to formerly incarcerated individuals. did the democracy restoration act,. the house previously passed a version of this act in front of the for the people act. and the john lewis act. however, you reintroduced it as a stand-alone bill. why is this petition -- so important to you? >> so many of our fellow citizens are not going to be able to participate in this election because of -- gym crow days. these are jim crow laws. it affects the minority community at a much greater percentage than on minority communities. that is just plain wrong. and i hope democrats, republicans, both agree that we have to remove these obstacles for full participation in our society. it is common sense, my state has already done this, maryland is already done this. i hope we will be able to
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remove the prohibition for those that have completed their sentence, these are people who have returned to our community, we should be able to fully participate in our elections. >> absolutely. the erosion of voting rights is a real part of the march on washington in august 26th -- national action, led by american senator on the 16th anniversary of the march on washington. senator cardin, thank you for being with us. coming up, some major political upsets show why all politics should be local, and later, find out how a reality tv show -- jackson for life as a supreme court justice. but first, our colleague richard lui with today's other top news stories. richard. >> rev, a good sunday to you. some of the stories we are watching for this hour, ukraine's president rejecting russia's claim that its forces seize the city of bakhmut. russia state media says vladimir putin's claims its forces has seized the eastern
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politics is well, take a chance. bet on yourself. and one also. donna deacon was elected mayor of jacksonville, florida, making her the second democratic mayor in three years to lead the sunshine states largest city. deacon lost her race in 2022 u.s. congress, but came back and won the mayorship in a major upset against the republican challenger. who was endorsed by government ron desantis. political newcomer yeah minimal blah day became colorado springs first elected black man after defeating his republican opponent in the runoff election. the nigerian born american businessmen ran as an independent and will become the city's first non-republican to hold this office. he campaigned on crime and safety, and came out on top. among 12 initial candidates.
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similarly, cherelle paa-ko, who we had on the show just last sunday is a former state representative and city council member. she campaigned on hiring local police officers and went on to win the democratic nomination for philadelphia mayor in a crowded field. if she wins in november she will become the city's 100th mayor in the first woman to hold the post. it's important to note that state houses are often where abortion, guns and police reform get decided. they are also critical during redistricting lee years, following the census report in 2020, democrats poor performance in his state legislative races, many republicans dominated the redrawing of congressional districts, which will have a lasting impact on congress for the next decade. many were gerrymander to favor
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republican candidates, giving a boost to the gop in 2022 house races, all the democrats are losing ground in local races, especially in -- democrats had a much better 2022 midterm. the election on the state level, than was expected. republicans, though, are still playing. the ground game, as you see them pushing for candidates and school board races. using them to curb the discussion on race and gender in the classroom, and to give parents more power over their children's curriculums. that is where you can come in. according to contest, every race research team, nearly 100,000 races go uncontested every year, and repump pelicans are outpacing democrats on a local level. each of our voices matter. and if you feel inclined to
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south carolina senator tim scott, who made an official announcement on friday to make a formal announcement in his hometown of north charleston, tomorrow. the new york times reports scott will enter the race with $22 million on hand, which makes him a serious challenger to trump, although he is ranked much lower in the polls. well, scott someone who could builds desantis lover support and make a real run at trump, or is he more of a long shot candidate angling for vp while raising his profile? interesting that you would say that because as a consultant, what i'm hearing on the ground is tim scott's really well liked by a lot of people. he is seen as someone who reaches across the aisle and as a peacemaker, he has got positivity behind him and he has got the ability to raise money. so what they are looking at and what they're thinking for
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strategy is, tim scott has got a place somewhere. a lot of people think that he could give the front runner, which is donald trump, run for his money. but they don't see him tackling those double digit polls in the primary. what they do see, and the rumblings are on the ground here, they see him as the number one pick -- for vp with donald trump. >> also in coming days, florida governor ron desantis is expected to make his bid for the white house official. last night, desantis headlined an annual conservative event in florida and instead of championing his lead new six-week abortion ban in front of the 800% crowd he relegated his abortion response to just two minutes of his roughly 40-minute speech, according to politico. this comes as the naacp issue travel advisories for yesterday, alleging the state quote, has
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engaged in all out attack on black americans and other groups, like women, immigrants and lgbtq people. a team out, desantis has positioned himself as further right than trump on several issues. how will this play out on the national stage as more people become aware of this record in florida? >> he is getting a lot of national attention but desantis is not media savvy or even charismatic as trump's. he's still very much behind trump, but he is second pretty much further behind. so he doesn't have the support of the gop congressional delegation in florida. they are mostly supporting trump i. feel -- ineligible to run because he is in jail or something else not
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will definitely come get it -- a lot of people know who he is because. of what he has and i don't know to overcome the trump juggernaut -- here is president biden affect earlier today, during a press conference in japan concerning for the many. take a listen. >> i am looking at the 14th amendment as whether or not we have the authority -- -- pass the day in question -- i've been urging to the president to --
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the president can't pay his bills, even if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. tomorrow president biden than the republican speaker kevin mccarthy will meet in person, without the other leaders, after what mccarthy said was a productive call, according to nbc news. should progressive democrats keep talking about the 14th amendment? >> well, reverend al, we cannot and we will not default on our debt. this is absolutely no, an absolute no. and i hope that biden will not have to do that. i think if they cannot absolutely, cannot work out something and work together, the right and left to get this done, then i don't think biden has any choice but to look towards the 14th amendment, reverend al.
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>> let me hold you right there. we have a little bit of a breaking news, we will be back with you. richard louis for more. >> arab. yeah, you're watching what is happening in florida, spacex about to launch, we are looking at a -- in the next 15 minutes. we are looking at live pictures coming out of k canaveral to moment. they are launching their second, if you will, private launch, where they all have private citizens in this launch today. it has been a very busy time for spacex. this is going to be its third launch in a matter of about three days. this, they're just saying moments ago, the weather is good. there are a go. we should see the spacex launch happened in about 15 or 30 seconds right now this is a private flight to the international space station. we will be taking off shortly. we can hear a countdown. here it goes? >> six, five, four, three, two,
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one, engines full power. and lift off. -- [inaudible] >> together, we expand what is possible -- at astro and godspeed a x two. >> all right. you can see that falcon 9 no in the air. there was some audio delay, but we have the visual realtime. this as it heads off to the international space station, just for private citizens headed their. the passengers include saudi arabia's first astronaut in decades, as well as a tennessee businessman who started his own sports car racing team. they will be led by retired nasa astronaut who now works for the company that ranged this first 8 to 10-day trip. it is the second charter flight organized by axiom space --
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cape canaveral. live here in florida, falcon 9 heading into the great skies. this is the first launch by space x in three days. it has been a very, very busy weekend for them. by the way, the price per seat, $55 million. at least that is with the latest price was. we don't know specifically how much this one costs. it was already on the path. it was target lift off late today. so it was on time. again, representative saudi arabian government this time is right anna bernal we, a stem cell researcher set to become the kingdom's first woman in space. and -- ali al carney. wrapping up the crude there is john -- peggy whitson, interesting here, she holds the u.s. record for most accumulated time in space.
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665 days, well, as of today, 666. and by the time she is done with this she will not lose that great title, because you will be in the 670 after -- as you can see here, live pictures coming from spacex. 5:39, piano coming off from cape canaveral, three launches from spacex not, only are these private citizens but also satellites. that has certainly been a project of violence. right. that is the latest. speaks explored, just hoping for -- an msnbc. we will continue to follow the story for now, back to reverend al sharpton politicsnation. hey, rev. >> hey. thank you for that. turning now to supreme court justice content g brown jackson 's -- university use where she encouraged the audience of graduating law school students of the left since from her
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favorite reality tv show, survivor. take a listen. >> as each ultimate survivor contest, it is the bridges that you build to connect with other people that will sustain you in the long run. i can attest to that as well. when i was in your seats as a new graduate, i knew that a number of exciting career opportunities we're waiting for me out in the real world. but i could never have imagined, in that point of time, that i would be where i am today. >> a team of justice brown jackson spoke about building alliances. how well was this lesson serving a justice or conservative leading court? >> i think she's very well aware that most of her opinions are going to be ones that are
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primarily for posterity. she is not going to have a lot of her -- agree with. anything that she is going to hope to get done on the court is going to be trying to have congress for sanctions with maybe the -- i don't know who that might be. quite frankly, with the things he is dealing with. but i think that that is definitely her play. mentally what she means by those remarks. the fact that she is in it for the long haul and the long game on the court. >> all right. a team of monroe and -- thank you both for being with us. slip switch gears now to a new study. the material cost of racial in equity is literally costing the nation billions of dollars. when most of that economic burden borne by the black community. that is from a new tulane university study. it was published last week in
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the journal of the american medical association, which found that racial and ethnic health inequities cost the united states a canoe me over 450 billion dollars in 2018. that economic -- followed an admission last week by the commissioner of the internal revenue service that black americans are several times more likely to be audited by the agency, prompting criticisms and calls for correction from capitol hill. joining me now is -- dina of tulane university school of public health. and tropical medicine. professor, let me first thank you for being with us, we appreciate you joining us tonight. some pretty stark findings in these tulane university studies. but i want to start with my understanding that this is not
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the first time you have found these inequities. in health care, fed through racial and ethnic minorities, of literally cost the nation into billions of dollars. you and your colleagues found that in 2014 the antiquities cost the nation 320 billion dollars. the study published last round but 2018 that the number has risen 450 billion dollars. can you explain how you arrived at the numbers, and why they are rising so rapidly? >> well, the way that we, first thank you for having me. to talk about this important topic. the way that they calculate this, we look at the cost on three dimensions and one is the cost of health care used for people. that are sicker than they otherwise would be. there is also loss of productivity. are people go to work if they are sicker than they should be, absenteeism, people taking care of --
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category is premature mortality. and society we invest in the human, capital of people. we provide them public education, for some reason. -- prematurely before there. to pay the society back for the investment. when you calculate all three of those areas and you combine the, you come to a cost in excess of 450 billion dollars by race. we also, at this time, did it by educational attainment as well. compare the cost of people who have college educations, with people have less than college educations. here we find it as a huge cost, for the mechanic burden -- measured by education. we find 940 billion dollars of drain on the u.s. economy, resulting from us not having a population is healthy is it otherwise would be. >> two findings in your study stuck out to me. one that nearly 70% of the
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economic burden for racial and ethnic and equities fell in black moroccans. to, look matter to the east -- i should quit and hold 33 out of 50 states what those disparities -- that >> it's based on the fact that black american population as the greatest inequities. we have the worst health profile of any racial group in the country. this is what generates these outcomes. but it is important, i think, to point out that this cost is not just a cost to the black community. this is a cost to the overall society. it impacts the military readiness of the society. it impacts every aspect of the society. it impacts the use of resources and how these resources are allocated. everyone is pumped by the fact that we are investing in people, but not able to get out from people what we put into them.
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i >> want to pivot just a bit. but they before your tulane study was published the commissioner of the irs testified before the senate finance committee that black taxpayers were poor disproportionately likely to be audited. that mission confirming the report published earlier this year by several economists and the treasury department. they found black taxpayers at least three times more likely to face a tax audit during due to the bias of the agency's systems. how does the economic stress factor into the health disparities you found facing black americans in your study? >> yeah. i should point out that our study did not specifically look at economic stress. i don't want to tie that to the study. i can talk more broadly about economic stress as quite large amount of studies show that economic stress is associated
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with worse health outcomes and that american americans disproportionately are affected by this. so it seems to me reasonable that the fact that african americans are more likely to be audited by the aires the, economic feedback of that may be indirectly felt within -- we conducted. >> before we lose you, professor, your study was federally funded by the national institute of health. how can these health related inequities across racial, ethnic and educational lines be shrunk through federal action. or, is it possible? >> well, certainly there are policies. the first time we did the study was in 2008. at that time the obama administration was working on the former care act. there were a number of health equity in provisions that were incorporated -- 64 provisions, most of those provisions were not funded.
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while they were enacted -- they weren't given funds so therefore they have not been enacted. so we have a large number of things that we could do at the federal level to address this issue. >> let me ask you this. have you gotten any response, any reaction to your study? >> sure. we have gotten reaction to previous iterations of the study, certainly from members of congress that i have been in communication with about this. they have testified about this as well. in congress, the editorial committee reached out. we talked with them about it in the past. but, i think there is one point i want to make. it is really important. it will cost money to address the health inequities. there's no question about that. my study is not designed to see how much it will cost a fix the problem. but the point here is that the cost of inaction a substantial. so while it will cost money to address the health inequities, and i can tell you what that
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thanks for watching. i will see you back here next weekend at five p.m. eastern. right now is american voices with alicia imminent us. >> thank you so much reverend sharpton. hello everyone, i am ali schuman undoes. we begin this hour with that talks in washington set to resume in the morning. as we go in the air, president biden is on route to washington from the g7 summit