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memories. i mean, it's hard. >> she's always in my heart. she will always be in my heart. and -- you know, we had -- i had 23 wonderful years with brooke. i wish i had 53 more. but unfortunately, i don't. but i know where brooke is. i know i'll see her again. and that gives me hope. you have to be aware of your surroundings because you just never know. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thanks for watching! atching! >> i'm craig melvin. >> and i am natalie morales. >> and this is dateline. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> she was the love of my life. always. >> she was daddy's girl, debutante, and tomboy. the free spirits with fiery
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hair, and a wide open heart. >> she is a very, very kind of person. >> and then she vanished. >> i called the police. something is wrong. >> and something was. days passed, then months. no leads, no clues. no progress. >> i thought, i'm not going to put up with this. we have to get going. get moving on this. >> enter the a team. a band of tough guy private eyes. >> this guy has something to hide. >> they had a brief encounter with the mysterious stranger. >> and that train coming home, she had met this woman. >> did that hold the answer? >> she is talking about how someone has tried to assume her identity. >> a chilling case of a daughter in danger. >> somebody was after them. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome to dateline, i am
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lester holt. she was beautiful, talented, trusted and sometimes troubled, a young woman from a prominent family finally grabbing the promise in life, right up until the day that she vanished, and when the police seemed unable to find her, her family hatched a plan but an unusual strategy to solve the mystery. here is keith morrison. >> it began on the bright morning in may. slipped from its platform in washington station and eased out into an eight-hour run down the eastern seaboard charleston, south carolina. on board was a beautiful, tall, and feisty red named kate waring. the daughter of the south of a fine southern family that often traveled young woman who sitting on the strain is finally on the brink of something very good. and what is it about trains? the ease there in that enclosed space of finding perfect
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strangers. somewhere along the line, between greeting and goodbye, her invisible faith jumped its track. quite unaware of the dark force descending. she disembark to future utterly changed. charleston, south carolina, it almost goes without saying it is a showcase of american history and southern manners. its charm is deeply embedded as the families who count seven, eight, ten generations here. kate waring was born to one of those families. grew up in a fine because along the historic waterfront called the battery. dance losses, birthday parties. >> that, if we catch a turtle, can we keep it? >> doting parents, janice and tom, who adored their only daughter. >> and she had you simply wrapped around her finger? >> absolutely. she was a love of my life.
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and not stupidly so, i mean, i could not always tell when i was being manipulated, but some of the time, sure. katie and i had a very special bond, always. >> she was the middle child sandwiched retain two brothers, older joe, younger richard. she was bright, maybe too bright. school board her, animals, all animals, enchantedhi, could not turn away a stray animal or human. >> she was a very kind person, whereas some people would dismiss someone who wasn't generally accepted by most. she would kind of helpless people out. >> somewhere in the course of an enchanted childhood, something happened to kate. outsider saw a fearless tomboy morph into a sophisticated
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debutante. but at home, kate struggled often in secret with eating disorders, depression, college wasn't interrupted disaster. >> she sort of land toward risk. i noticed that in a lot of things she did. she seemed to court it. >> parents discovered she had been sexually abused by someone they knew. years of therapy followed, still she drank to excess, lost her drivers license, she abused drugs, she so brought up, she fell off the wagon. she came home to live with her parents. tried and failed at dozens of strategies to achieve the straight and narrow. finally, out of desperation, tom offered kate a trip with him anywhere she wanted to go. anywhere on the planet to see polar bears. >> it must have been an amazing trip? >> it was the trip of a lifetime.
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i'm so happy we share that together. >> the photographs show how happy she was there. >> she saw young men who, with their families, about her age who were happy and she said to me, dad, i don't have to settle for whatever settled for, do i? i said no, honey, you don't. you can basically write your own script. >> and it was a bit of magic. the change seemed almost instant. kate, reborn. on board the ship was a russian crewmen who was amazed how quickly kate picked up his language, which is why months after that trip, the newly inspired k travel to moscow to meet him again to explore the city, the culture, and to test drive a budding relationship and her fledgling russian skills. snapshots of kate here in moscow are far more than just souvenirs. the reporters of a young woman transformed. the case you stood here on red square had a new passion and life that depressions and pillars of the past had fallen
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away. she was consumed by all things russian. in fact, she was making plans, even, here to return to moscow in the summer to take oppression studies. finally, her life was taking off. >> and that's why kate waring was in washington that fine may morning. she was on her way back to russia. there is a problem with the visa. paperwork but south sort of things that would have center into a tailspin. now, the new kate vowed to try again later. boarded the plummet over charleston, and went to college classes and a children's book she's been writing. big brother joe was, to say the least, encouraged. >> when i talk to her, was the happiest i can remember hearing her in the last ten years. >> june, 2009, heat rising in charleston's deepening green. on saturday morning, june 13th, tom waring at his summer house outside the city built an
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absence. cell phone hadn't run. no call from kate. kate who always called or texted her parents practically hourly. >> she always checked in and was unusual. >> he drove home to check her room here in the big silent house on the battery. >> all the lights were on, and it looked like katie had planned to come back. and she had left her medicine. she never went anywhere without her medicine. >> and on sunday, we came by the house also. no sign of her. >> now there was dred. was it possible that kate had slipped back into that old destructive life? >> we called police station. we called the detention center. >> wow, and this is by the end of the weekend? >> nobody had a jane doe in the hospital. nobody had been brought in. we called some of her friends, and nobody had heard from her. >> what to do?
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kate was 28, and though she lived at home, she was an adult her decision bad or good. for hers, they elected to give it one more day if she wasn't back by monday they called the police. then, when monday came, there was word. no, not from kate. from kate's bank. >> once i got off the phone with the branch manager, i called the police. >> what were you thinking? >> i was thinking something is wrong. >> coming up, something was wrong. but could they discover what? and would the police help? >> we've got to get going. they've got to get moving on this. >> when dateline continues. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪
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15th of june, 2009. kate waring had been missing for 48 hours when a surveillance camera captured a young man named ethan mack standing at the counter of a bank, waiting to catch a check signed by kate waring. problem, missouri count nearly totaled $100 and those chakras were 4500. the signature seemed off. the teller called kate's dad. he called police. >> i never met ethan. didn't know his last name, all i knew was the name ethan who was a friend. it's too strong to say that she had a secret life, but she certainly had friends and did things we didn't know anything about. >> of course she did. she was 20 years old. and even though she was financially and emotionally depended on her parents, she had lots of friends. some they knew, sunday didn't. it was howard gatch for example, martial arts trainer in the midst of a divorce who had carried on something of a romance.
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>> i felt in my heart something was wrong, and i was concerned. >> then there was jason lock, a young lawyer with whom she often shared lunch and a spirited debates. >> she was strong willed. she was very energetic. she was rarely incorrect. that's -- >> but her best friend, as she made clear to all the others, was ethan mack. >> she really liked. ethan she trusted him and said this is my best friend, jason. she put a lot of trust in him. >> she's a lovable person, full of energy, always rambunctious. >> ethan worked at a local hotel, very different background of kate. yet been her best buddy for years, and in a way, her protector. everybody in ethan's neighborhood knew you don't mess with kate, but when ethan was around. beloved each other like, well,
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siblings. >> i mean, so, no harm would come to her when those certain little boyfriends would act like they've got and problems, and i would put them in their place. >> wasn't a romance at all? >> never at all. just like, she was like a little sister to me. >> and it was a token of his families regard for cape that she was godmother to ethan's nephew, malachi. on her moscow trip, kate bought herself and ethan matching brass bulldog key chains. on monday morning in june, said even, he was very worried about kate. just as he had been four years as he helped her battle her demons. >> calmed her down and talking to her, and understanding that was going on in the world of. >> now, he complained, was kate's dad sending the police to talk to him about a check kate told him to catch. >> even explained to the cop, david osborne, about the money he had given kate for jewelry and other expenses and that the check was to pay him back. >> he was basically best
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friends with catherine, had been for several years. >> in fact, even told detective osborne he was very likely the last friend to see her before she disappeared. >> he said he had saw her friday night at dinner, had drinks, came back, dropped get off back at her house. >> if you say what time? >> i think the time would've been probably around 11:30, 11:45 at that time? >> the detective checked, of course, and found text messages that confirmed what ethan told him. he even went for the house even shared with his mom. >> and they both let me, and and they both allowed me to search it. mother and ethan both told me this is his room and where he stays. >> but to say the instance suspicion of the part of the waring's and police was upsetting to ethan was probably an understatement. >> this is ethan mack calling. >> this is the voice mail he
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left to the waring's after that policeman poked around his base as if he was some murder suspect. >> i think you really need to check that. and find the person -- stop harassing me. the only thing i ever did it was tried to help or. >> so dead end. the police move past him. they check kates someone records and finally made a call late friday night that picked off a tower, a place called james ireland several miles from her house. but it phone things can be funny's like that. they told the waring family -- probably made the call from home they said. they also promised to keep looking for her but really kate was known to have gun herself in trouble a timer to. police resources were limited. well tom waring get the cause message. >> we don't know for a fact a crime has been committed here. >> after all the waring family
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was reminded that she was a world traveler. she could've gone back to russia. maybe boarded a steamer. maybe even now. it would have something that happened to her? it could've been a drug overdose, even suicide. impossible thought kates parents. even in her darkest time she would never fail to call. >> if she spent the night unexpectedly, we would get a call first thing the next morning. because she knew we would worry about where she was, was she safe? >> so the warings begin picking apart that friday the last day anyone ever saw kate. looking for something that may have been missed. it had been such a normal day. she had no drivers license, remember, she asked someone to give her a ride. >> she said thank you very much, she was in a good mood. >> and i want to have later howard gatch saw her again this time at the gym. >> she said is it okay if i
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skip rope over here? i said short, kate, that is fun. >> mind you there was an incident at the gym. howard's soon-to-be ex-wife came around, her and kate had a word. but in a pm a drugstore kim showed kate all relax again. talking on herself on, buying one and stacks while waiting on her prescription refills. ethan paid for dinner. chicken teriyaki. she did not drive so he took her home, drop drop before midnight. something else, something earlier that friday that bothered the warings at first was terrifying them now. the more they thought about it the worst it seemed. just before she went to the drugstore on friday evening she started telling her father about some problem. >> saying she felt like she perhaps had unintentionally gotten herself in trouble. and i said, why don't you tell me about that? and she would not tell me any
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details. >> which it clearly worried? >> she was concerned. >> clearly worried. >> about something. >> naturally they told the police about that. but nothing came of it. the air thickened to be steamy august, then we step past brought a new new leads, just tourists. and kate waring, the urgency of finding her began to fade. that it was driving me nuts. i thought i cannot put up with this. we need to get going. we need to get moving on this. >> and in the hush of this perch overlooking the city someone was listening. ♪ ♪ ♪ coming up, a new investigation begins. but it's not the police who are behind it. >> we are the cream of the crop. our job was to find kate waring, not finding her was not an option. >> who are these guys? when dateline continues.
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>> pick a little drive beyond the grand old homes, markets in churches at the historic center of charleston, south carolina. enter quietly, a hushed suite of rooms overlooking the city were an influential philanthropist flipped was meant to rolodex and place to call to his friend, the chief of police. >> i really need a favor. you know? i really need some help with this situation. >> the caller was this man gianna rivers.
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happen to be childhood friend of tom waring, watch kate waring grow up. he told the police chief he was worried about kate as well. >> and he told me that they got a lot of stuff going on. but he would assign his best and brightest to the case. and i felt pretty good about it. >> but now almost two months later kate was still missing. and the investigation such as it was had accomplished nothing. and john rivers could not stand but it was doing to his best friend tom waring. >> i could see that he really was having a hard time functioning. >> so rivers picked up the phone again. and told this man do what it takes. his name is andy savage, former prosecutor now famously tenacious criminal defense attorney. savage had heard about kate as well in a police had no evidence of any crime. really?
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>> the soonest we scratch the surface a bit we were absolutely convinced that foul play was involved. >> savage was given to mandates, find kate and tell police everything you find. that last part keeping the police in the loop should be easy. given the team he assembled. the band of retired policeman turned private eyes. each with a particular talent. >> bobby mentor. >> human bloodhound. tracking people without them knowing it is his specialty. >> bill caps. >> techno geek, tracks bad guys through cyberspace, happens to be a cracked shot. >> james randolph. >> ex police department rebel. strategy is specialty. shaking things up, a particular skill. >> we are the cream of the crop. and our job was to find kate waring, not finding her was not an option.
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>> experience told james the best place to start was with kate herself. >> if we listen to kate she will tell us where she is. >> james went to the house on the battery. up the stairs, down the hall. indicates bedroom. >> these type of cases you have to take on the personality, you have to see this person's world through their eyes. >> he sat there for a bit, looked around. the russian notes in her handwriting made sense. but why chinese paper money? why was her brand-new prescription sitting there untouched? >> the medication in which she had gotten her prescription was still on her dresser. unused. >> then medication was her lifeline. she needed to counter depression, anxiety, insomnia. she never left home without it. meanwhile cyber though caps baird himself in social media
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sites, kate used them, and they'll scabbard them all. >> if she was away she was faced booking, texting, calling people on the phone, emailing. and at the time she went missing everything immediately ceased. there was completely out of character for her. >> using kates friends he billed and electronic map of her communications a friday night she vanished. from case lori's friend, he retired a weird voice mail route acquired late evening. >> miscall, left voice mail, voice mail said that someone had, quote, stolen her identity, closed quote. and had obtained a couple of credit cards in her name. she wanted me to sue the person responsible. >> the gin trainer and kates romantic interest told caps he heard from her about 10:30 pm. still at dinner with ethan and then. then there was another call. and it was after midnight. well after police believed she was dropped off at home. >> she told me she was at a friends house.
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they had already admitted to the house. >> she sounded a little buds. >> and then a very last message from kate. a text. very strange. >> i'm off to greenville to pick up some -- whatever it was i have no idea. and i will be back in a few days. >> did it make any sense to you? >> no. >> beautiful he replied. this time she did not text back. silence from kate except middle of the night herself phone paying out on james island, miles from her home. the cops surmised exclusive tower to her house could've been too busy for the call. but at 1:53 in the morning? when a chance, but andy savage? >> it's preposterous. they were looking for an explanation, plausible explanation consistent with their theory. that she voluntarily left. >> the middle of the night call,
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by the way, was to her voice mail. >> mailbox -- >> a voice mailbox at an jammed full four months. during which she never used it or called it. at all. so the question -- >> why would she call voice mail? she would not be doing that. >> only one conclusion can draw. >> somebody else was using it but where was kate now? as the one takes adjusted, she left town looking for drugs? if that's what lovely meant. at the moment, it was a dead end. then he called. eugene frazier, legendary 30 for your homicide active now retired. >> i believe that if a man commit a crime he should be prepared to do the time. >> the thing is about gene frazier, over here on charleston james island where his ancestors go back to slave days, gene gets tips. all kinds of tips. one day, a church friend told the jean he heard the police had been to ethan mack's house,
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and something strange about that. >> listen, i don't think this is right, he says. ethan mack is living in apartment that i have rented out to her, his father. >> the police didn't search this place where ethan actually lived, said the landlord. they searched his mother's house. on a different island miles away were ethan told them he lived. >> and he says, i think he's trying to mislead the police off. >> what did you think when you heard that? >> this guy got something to hide. >> and on that very day, jean frazier joined a band of ex cops which, from now, on we will call the a team. >> coming up, a mysterious woman enters the picture. >> katie had the strange girl. >> who was she? when dateline continues.
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here's what's happening. three people are dead following a shooting at a nightclub on sunday. one victim is said to remain in critical condition. police had not yet said the suspect had been arrested. or offered a potential motive. and on sunday spacex finally launched a tour of the space station. the researcher breonna bernal will be the first woman from saudi arabia to go to space. i'm frances rivera. now back to dateline. w back to dateline >> at the time andy savage his a-team together to look for kate wearing, that lovely young charleston woman that had been missing for two months, and according to kate's parents, tom and janice, the charleston police were still saying this -- >> they think maybe she wants somewhere. she's probably just up in greenville.
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>> what did you say to that? >> she doesn't have a car. how is she going to get there? >> it was after that when the atms jean frazier got his tip. kate's best friend, ethan, had lied to the police about where he live. to deliver the house see a loud police to search. he lived behind this house, and one of two apartments, five miles away. >> which presented to the police? >> yes. >> and? >> they didn't search the houston ever got a search warrant, never asked for permission to search the, houston never went back to them and said, hey, you must let us three months ago. >> but, as the a-team discovered, ethan failed to mention something else as well, he had a girlfriend in this little place, a woman named heather angelica kamp and when janice waring heard that, her mind went straight to an afternoon at home, three months earlier. >> i heard voices upstairs, and so i went up and katie had this strange girl that i never met before in the room with her. >> and that was her name, heather kamp.
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kate explain she met and rapidly became fast friends with heather on the train during her trip down from washington. typical kate, janice thought back then, drawn to someone who needed help who had told her a hard luck story. >> she said, when she got on the train, her pocketbook was stolen. and she is here in charleston, and she doesn't have any money. and i am helping her out until she can, whatever. >> but kate told her mother that heather would pay her back soon because she was a pediatric surgeon. and charleston to take in a post at the local medical center. a few days, later distraught kate told mother heather's daughter back home in new jersey had been killed in a car accident. but something seemed odd about that, said janice. >> didn't seem like she was rushing to go up to new jersey to attend to the child that just -- >> or she is a grief stricken woman? >> she did not live that way at all. >> now, here is news heather was living with kate's friend ethan in this tiny apartment? >> to me, she just looked like a con artist. >> but no, said kate back then, janice had it all wrong. heather was nice. in fact, kate such introduced heather to her friend ethan and very quickly a romance had blossomed. they were even talking marriage.
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really? if janice waring was suspicious about heather back then, the a-team was doubly so now. sure enough, a few key strokes on the cold lobby that mothers intuition was right. >> i told her she'd been arrested for forgery, and in indiana, she had been arrested in other states as well. >> essentially, if you just google her name, i suppose, you could find out -- >> that's how i found her. she had been impersonating a doctor. in fact, a gould her. >> even wouldn't be her first husband. she had been married before, and had four children. now they know about heather, a few fuzzy details were suddenly clearer. for one thing, the bill for kates last dinner with ethan made sense because there are three bills on that bill. the other diner was heather kamp. more important, not check even try to cash, no one that teller flagged, maybe that was another heather forgery. >> right away, point man shames randall fresh that information here to police headquarters. surely, somebody here put two and two together, a win known to have committed forgery, indiana and other states.
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a so-called best friend who tries to catch a bogus check with kate's name on it, then lies to police. seemed like evidence these two were involved in her disappearance up to their next. and up to haul them in, anyway. but... >> i was told that the story pandemic, and that these were petty criminals, and the czech was going to be taken separate from the missing persons. >> what did you say to that? >> i didn't think it was the right thing to do. we had to figure out who wrote and endorsed those checks. who signed and wrote those checks? >> sure. >> it was obvious the a-team would have to find the connection between ethan and heather and kate's disappearance without police help. >> sort of remain stealth as much as possible. >> come to keep a careful quite ion ethan mack and other kamp. gene frazier persuaded ethan's landlord to allow surveillance
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specialist bobby to talk a hidden camera into the corner of his kitchen window. camera trained right at ethan's front door. >> with a motion detector, just like that light they've got over the door, so when they drove an, it would light up, and light up for our camera. >> that's enough illumination to illuminate to see what they would be carrying, and that would lead us to know they had something to do with kate's disappearance. >> one even and had left the apartment, bobby had that cover too. he'd already tracked ethan to his job at a local will tell
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and attached a gps locator on his car, as it sat in the parking lot. now there is no minute of the day when the team didn't know where ethan and father were. and what they were doing. almost immediately, they got a surprise. when ethan was at work, other sneaked over to visit the man living next door. right around town with him. >> they were going to the bank a lot. one of the investigators -- they were kiting checks. they're actually stealing money from the bank. >> despite would bobby told, bank and never resulted in charges against anybody. but that wasn't all he discovered. the gps tracker ethan's car led bobby to a couple of local pawnshops. >> they were planning jewelry. the jewelry was the red flag. >> was it kates jewelry? they couldn't be sure yet without more surveillance, that is, and then the landlord called gene again, another tip, this one bad, ethan and heather weren't paying rent.
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>> he says i'm going to evict these people. so after he said that -- >> this is not good news. >> i said, hold on, if these people are evicted, we don't know where they are going. >> if the a-team didn't think of something and fast, other and even might slip out of their sight and charleston for good. >> coming up, an enticing offer from the a team. >> twenties, fifties, everybody sees that, and their eyes jump. >> when dateline continues.
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searching for kate waring had a big problem -- crime solving 1:01 told him heather and ethan had to be serious suspects, last people to see kate alive, won a known forge, or the other on tape trying to take money from kates bank account. but they were about to be evicted for lack of a rent payment, and if that happened, they would slip the invisible night the a-team had woven. >> we had the kind, why would the gps, as we were tracking every movement that they had. >> so, they made a call here to
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the quite office overlooking charleston, or the team's money man john rivers decided he'd pay ethan's rent. secretly, of course, and it was a plan which, after little brainstorming, offered a bonus of built-in opportunities. here is how. the a-team one and know if heather or ethan forged kates 4500 dollar check but needed original handwriting samples. >> we determined what was on the check that we needed a comparison sample. we had numbers, obviously, on the check. >> then the a-team helped even slathered prepare iowa use that contained the need to numbers and letters. when heather and ethan signed the documents agreed to pay the rent in installments, they were giving the team the very samples that could prove they forged kates check. the team took the handwriting to the expert, mickey dawson, the man who set up a state police handwriting lab. a question was simple, did
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either end or ethan forge that check from kate, the one ethan tried to cash? >> immediately, that day, our handwriting examiner said, that's them, no question about it. >> so, if he thin and heather ford to check from kate. what else to do they do? the team need to look in that apartment. if kate had been there, there still might be evidence of something. but how to get in? >> the landlord has her right to inspect a tenants homes for health and safety and welfare. a landlord decided he needed to go in and spray four bucks. >> you can understand why that might be done at that place? >> seems that it would be best if he went with him to ensure the bucks were all taken care of. >> surveillance expert bobby mitchell's gps device showed easton's car was out somewhere. >> we opened the door, to go inside, ethan mack sitting on the couch, smoking a joint. >> for god sake. >> i'm like, hell, unlike, hey, the exterminators coming, in 30
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years dangerous chemicals. you have to step out on the outside while we get this done. >> no idea who you are? >> no, no. >> you share about that? >> absolutely. the exterminator and i went inside, closed the door behind, us searched the apartment and in one of the backpacks, ethan max backpack was some chinese money, chinese currency. >> chinese money? yes, just like the chinese bills team saw and kate's bedroom. janice waring brought those bills to kid from hong kong, souvenirs, had even stolen them? >> i put it here on this poll. >> just or things, apply some pressure. bobby knew just how. >> he put on every telephone pole, every vacant house, every oak tree, every stop sign, wanted information, missing person, kate waring's poster -- >> right where those people
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hung out? >> wherever they went, including on mack's wind shield, even where he was working that way, to send a psychological message to them. >> but no response. at which point john rivers said -- >> perhaps what they do understand, and on the street, as it, where is andrew jackson. maybe benjamin franklin, and they would recognize their faces on a 20 or 50 dollar bill. >> $10,000 worth of those bills went into a grocery bag. >> then, twenties, fifties, like a bag. when you open it up, you know, two roles, and everyone sees that, their eyes just jump. >> and better to wave that bag of money they decided that under the nose of that neighbor heather was going to see? the man named terry only, i'm the one that we're creating checks with her. >> we knocked on the door, and he comes to the door with no shirt on. no shirt on, short pants. i said terri, listen, we know you are great friends with these people, you don't have to
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live in this condition. we know you are back on your rent. we know -- look at this bag of money. this could be all yours. >> now to close the sale with terry williams, they tried to bluff. >> tell us what happened to kate and where we can find her. we know mack and kamp killed her, and this money could be yours, low that point, that's when the bedroom door buster open, and there's a lot of yelling and screaming. >> to the other surprise, there came another kamp, angrily and quickly pulling her clothes back together. didn't appear to be a business meeting, the team interrupted. the detectives told who they were, and who they work for. >> heather kamp gets on the cell phone, and makes the call to ethan mack. said, even, andy savages investigators are here trying to get terri williams of roll on us. and when she said that, the three of us looked at one another, and police terms, we knew that was definitely the case. we knew they had done it. >> oh, yes, decades of investigating made it perfectly
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clear to the a-team. whatever happened to kate waring, events mack and heather kamp or in it up to their eyeballs. >> coming up -- >> we knew something was up. >> a new direction. the search for kate waring takes the a-team to a wild and desolate place. what would they find there? when dateline continues. >> it was so awkward now, but necessary. the ones very private waring and their only daughters intensely personal struggles were now so glaringly public. they had to be. >> you can't sit back and hope that she will be found. i mean, we worked every day, all day long, trying to find her. >> coming up -- >> we knew something was up. >> a new direction. the search for kate waring takes the a-team to a wild and desolate place. what would they find there? when dateline continues. gy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours.
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necessary. the ones very private waring and their only daughters intensely personal struggles were now so glaringly public. they had to be. >> you can't sit back and hope that she will be found. i mean, we worked every day, all day long, trying to find her. >> that's when it hit home. kate was the latest of hundreds of people still lost in south carolina, and it seemed to china's and tom police weren't taking cases like theirs seriously. what about all those other families also desperate for help? the waring held a vigil for common cause. >> somehow or another, someone will be moved and will want to come forward and tell us where katie is. >> that was the public waring family. at home the private tom waring couldn't be help but be drawn to the play back on their voice mail to hear her voice. >> that, don please pick up the phone.
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coming back later. >> i would look at photographs of her, or play those voice mail messages, just keeping her voice current in my mind. >> meanwhile, andy savage a-team detectives were making progress. when i flash that grocery bag of cash around the neighborhood, they certainly got a rise out of ethan and heather. a furious ethan called andy. >> your investigators are out there in accusing me of being involved in this homicide. kate was my best friend in life. as he's on the phone, kamp calls and starts out on this rage about, you know, what are you doing out here? accusing me of this, we had nothing to do with that. >> fascinating reaction, thought andy savage. and perhaps an opportunity. >> we had done a lot of background on kamp, and so we knew her, and with her personality, and we knew a little bit about what was the push.
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a reaction we had towards heather was one of conflict. that one banks. during that time, we planted the seeds as a mother. she must know the feeling of janice waring missing her dollar, and try to apply to her empathy for a mother. >> the call from heather wasn't all that fat bag of money accomplished. before long, it reeled in a fish, that neighborhood there was sneaking off to sea called. the a-team want to talk to him. >> he said i know ethan and heather did something to kate, and terry went to the bathroom, came back, out and had this ipad. terry said, i believe this ipad is going to belong to kate. >> now that was huge. last time he was seen with that i pod, it was at the gym the day she went missing. now a man kate never met said
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heather gave him the ipad days after kate disappeared. just to be sure this was in fact kate's ipod, tech expert bill capps got the serial number and within minutes had the proof. >> i examined the registry files and all the computers who had access in the past, it approved positive that was kids i pod. >> coming up -- >>, we'll find her, today? i knew they wouldn't find her. >> a new direction, the search for kate takes them to a new place. what would they find? there when dateline continues.
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it's not just possible. it's happening. months now. kate wearing, a trusting young woman so eager to help those innate. the trailer of clues has pointed to of kate's friends, and now the private
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investigators recruited by her family believe that they are close to falling the final part of the mystery. fighting kate at last. but there are a few more things in store. here again is keith morrison. >> they told the police about the ipod, the one that heather had given to a friend days after kate disappeared. and also handed over the handwriting experts report showing that heather and ethan forged cates chet two days after she vanished. and now things started happening fast. after the hard charge with andy savage, heather made a remarkable decision. she called the charleston police department and confessed. no, not to murder. instead she said it was xi who forged the bogus checks supposedly signed by kate wearing. and he who tried to catch it two days after kate disappeared. they were sure that police would swoop in and arrest them both. but here is something that you should know about the way that it worked between the a-team
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and their former colleagues, the cops. the deal was entirely one-way. that is to say the a-team told the cops everything that they uncovered. and the cops told the a-team nothing. so they kept their ears to the ground and waited for something to happen. but they did not have to wait for long. >> we knew something was up. so the first thing that we did was we got the gps off the car because we did not want the police to see that car and have our gps. >> ethan was easy enough for the charleston police to find. they arrested him at his hotel job. but they did not seem to know whether to find heather. so. >> we had to tell them where she was working. obviously they did not have a surveillance on her. >> and you can tell them that? >> >> yes we told them where she was working. she was working at the local gas station. >> i walked into the gas station and bought a pepsi. paid for it and walked out.
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and the police officer in uniform had pulled up and was peeping around the corner of the building. and i said that is her inside. >> ethan and hair or wear charged with forgery and obstruction of justice. what a merger charge follow shortly? >> we get a call from someone at the police department. we got a call and say hey, the police are searching. the island for kate body. >> the island? wild. beautiful. isolated. and 20 miles from kates home. >> so i got in the car and i drove out to the island. >> and there were police. a serious search going on. >> so i sat there in the shade and watch them all afternoon. didn't attempt to interfere. >> watch the police to see what they were doing? >> just watched. a lot of officers and cadaver dogs. >> a ton of folks out there. >> they had brought heather out here to lead them to kate's body. >> there were a couple of
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detectives that i did ask them if they had any luck. and they just said no. and continue driving on. >> police called off the search. drove heather back to jail. had she intentionally given them bad information? perhaps no one would find cates. not the police. not the a-team. and then? >> we got a terrific break by the criminal justice system. mac and camp both came to the bond hearing and it is done by video. at the bond hearing mac shows up with his family. who are all there to support him. and, not only a public defender. but the chief public defender. kent has no one. she has no family, she has no friends, she has no support to speak on her behalf. now i immediately said. james jean go see her. treat her with kindness. treat her with carry. >> and within minutes.
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the same man who had set up heather with the bag of money, wear face to face with her. >> what was the look on her face when she came out? >> stunned. very surprised. and i said heather, we need to help you. all we want is the body. and she said well, they didn't find her. did they? she said i put them through the test. they told me that they were gonna help me, they would not arrest me. and the minute i told them the area of which he was, the general area of which he was, they got all abusive with me. and they berated me. so they failed the test. >> and just at that moment. what happened was. well sheer luck. >> directly across the lobby. in the male side of the visitation area. they had mac to see his attorneys who happen to arrive the same time as we did.
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>> coincidentally? >> and also coincidentally the jailers had them ikea across the hall from each other. separated by glass partitions. >> they could see each other? >> yes. i said he has his lawyer and detective over there with him. and he is writing you out. so she starts to wave her arms to get his attention. so she snaps and she breaks. >> with a little bit more encouragement from andy savage that is, his deal? if heather told him exactly where to find cates body, and if it turned out that she had nothing to do with any murder. and he would help her with her forgery charges. and at that moment heather agreed to tell the a-team what they needed to know. her directions were precise. they drove out here right away. >> that is the large oak tree that she described. and then she says if you look farther up to your left in the marsh. you will see a --
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running down to the water. and she says that after you do that. you look to your left over here. on my right and left. and she said you will see some under brush growing. and she said that case remains, or the body, is five feet from this path. from this roadway. >> incredibly detailed. just the sort of place to leave a body. but? just like the police. the team found nothing. >> i was very disturbed. why are we not finding her? because we were super convinced that she was here. >> they searched until darkness. finally forcing them out of the marsh. and then they called andy savage who was out of town on business. >> they are on the cell phone from where they are. i am in the hotel in boston. i punch of the address from google earth. and i'm looking at the satellite imagery of where they are. and i said while james is there
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a doc off to your left? so i was pretty well able to identify where they were. so i said what you have to do is just print that off. >> isn't that amazing you can do that from thousands of miles away? >> you can also do it from the police station. >> the google maps team shows the 18 how and why they while the trail. savage wasn't ready to give up on heather. but he wasn't naive either. >> we knew that she was a sociopath liar. i wanted something specific from her. give me something that nobody else knows so that we can believe what you are saying is true. and that is when she told us about the souvenirs from kate's body. the jewelry she was wearing and where it was located. >> they found kates jewelry at a pawn shop. and behind the dresser in their tiny apartment, kate's key chain. the one that she had gotten in moscow. ethan, said, heather took it from kate's purse as a memento. she was telling them the truth.
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so they decided the next morning and first night. armed with google mail and more detail from heather. that they would return to the island. >> all that we were believing was now coming to fruition. all of our suspicions had activity. at that point we knew that we had the right people. >> once they. they would be going without the police. good idea? maybe not. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> coming up, the a-team. under arrest? >> you mean you are arrested? >> we were -- we couldn't leave because they -- >> this was a twist that even they did not see coming. when dateline continues. when dateline continues. and tonight, sparks are gonna fly. kyle? and while romeo over here is trying to look cool, things are about to heat up.
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mist off the marshes island, now the still air was heating up to another dripping hot day. bobby and jean frazier shared a car from the city and wrote in silence most of the way. confident that the directions that heather had given them where correct this time so this was it but it was somehow fitting that bobby which is the one they call the human bloodhound was the first to spot her. >> i saw what looked like an animal path where animals or something had pretty much beat down the bush so i walked up the animal path and started walking parallel with the warm road and i saw what looked like bones and i said i think i found her. i said hey y'all come here i think i found her and it was just like a ton of bricks came
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off of me up that point and i said oh my god there she is and there wasn't much left but just bowed. >> in the end it took only six minutes to find the remains of kate and does that last to sell their promise to the parents. >> bobby which standing and took two shots with my camera just a document the scene where it was where we saw it and i went back out of the woods and bobby followed me out and we called 9-1-1. >> 9-1-1 emergency? >> yes this is robert. >> do you need police or ems there? >> police. >> where is the address? >> there is no i address. it's in the words. >> you believe that you found the body of kate? >> yes. >> in the woods? >> yes. >> but listen to what happens after bobby hangs up, the 9-1-1 recording continues. you can hear the operator spreading the body around a bit
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skeptical that the mystery is finally solved. >> hey. sergeant. you ready for this? this guy says he found kate wearing off the words off of poly-point road. on the island. >> all right. >> he says he knows he has her. >> of poly point roads the cobbs instinctively reverted to long practice procedure. >> we said okay let's see here the crime scene and back out before lawton forsman gets here. >> so far so good. but what happened next was quite a surprise. >> the first officer was a deputy. and pretty much said we are going to show you where the remains are. but it's your crime scene now. and we are backing off. and that's what we did. >> but that wasn't the end of it. was it? >> no. we were detained.
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to put it mildly. >> detained? >> detained. placed in separate police cars. >> the man you are arrested? >> very strictly by the legal definition we were not free to leave. that made that clear. and well we couldn't leave because they seized my car. >> but wait a minute. you found the body. showed him where it was? >> that is correct. they wanted a statement from us. we had from the better beginning. not just what we had that day. >> the whole long story? >> basically what they were asking for. and in fact they had been given the story all the way along as it occurred. >> hours later the ex detectives were finally released. but not bill's car. they didn't get that back until they filed motion papers for an injunction. and even now, years later, the memory still rankles. all of them. >> 34 years and the police department. he said in the back in the police car and have some guy question you? get you to take a statement?
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>> that's right. like a criminal. we were sitting in the back of a car like a criminal. and we called it like we see it. >> still. this was it. the news travel to the house on the battery. the wearing's fell from their anxiety. and into grief. >> mixed emotions. relief that she has been found. but at the same time devastating grief that now you have conclusive evidence that your only daughter is dead. and that you are never going to see her again. >> and then as soon as they were allowed after the crime scene tape came down. after all the evidence was taken away. the whole team assembled at the spot where kate lay hidden for so long. all except tom who did not want the image burned into his brain. the dismal place, the love of his life lay dead. but perhaps it was a mother
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thing. jen's had to be here. she said. had to see it. >> it helped me to see for myself that it was so remote. we would not have found her in 1 million years. and not knowing where she is. i mean it is just, it would've been horrible. >> they formed a circle. and held hands. around the place that they knew that she had been. >> one of the investigators is at duke at his church. and he said a prayer. >> it's beautiful what they're marsh. and docks and i think it might have given me is wearing some pace. thinking at least it wasn't in a garbage dump somewhere. it's a peaceful place. god's place. >> so now the a-team had done its job. and kate's killers could finally be brought to justice. or so you would think. but the mystery, the web that
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was spun on that train down from washington. was far stranger and more bizarre than you had so far heard. and justice? well. we shall see. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> coming up. they thought they solved the case. but what it stick? >> frankly. we did not have a lot of evidence. we had a lot of opinions, and we had a lot of conjecture. but actual evidence? it just was not there. >> and the close call that just might have saved kate waring life. >> i always feel if i could've hung on one more month. i could've helped her. >> when dateline continues. when dateline continues nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works.
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vladimir putin. zelenskyy is denying this claim a victory. the people of greece went to the polls on sunday. to be in the first election since they imposed restrictions on the spending or left. it and prime minister has claimed victory. now back to dateline. ck to dateline >> almost everybody in charleston, south carolina knows who the county solicitor is. scarlett they call her. solicitor scarlett wilson officially. well-known popular prosecutor. and solicitor wilson had a problem. actually two problems. for one thing, -- lifted a deal to turn state evidence against eight. and then plead guilty to murder in exchange. her credibility, as you will soon see, is not exactly aaa. and despite all the information that the a-team uncovered. what could be used in court was
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thin. >> frankly we did not have a lot of evidence. we had a lot of opinions. and we had a lot of conjecture. but actual evidence. it just was not there. >> cates skeletal remains gave them none of the evidence the jury like to see. and the coroner was unable to establish in the cause of death. and as for the personal items of cates that they found ethan's apartment? those could have easily been gifts. the two are supposedly best friends after all. and to top it off there was the amazing tale that came with the state star witness. heather. it is true that she helped the investigators find cates body. and agreed to testify against the man that she revealed she had actually married soon after the crime. but heather was also, as ethan 's lawyer was discovering, agreed a world-class liar. >> not only she was the director. she was a true con artist. just with the most horrid
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background of anyone i had ever seen. a true sociopath. >> david was certain that heather on that trade took one look at kate waring and knew that she had found her ideal next mark. why was david aylor so sure? his research he said had turned up so many victims to filibuster the poor house. >> we had 13 different names that we could use for her. these were men and women all over the country. she would say that she was pregnant she. would say that her children had died of leukemia. that man had beat her. >> her scam? control the internet for men and move in, and police, him and leave him with a mountain of debt. all the while pretending to be the doctor, the heiress, or the daughter of a mafia style drug family. >> that was probably the worst whirlwind that i've ever been through. seen.
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done. in my entire life. >> there was chris beard for example. in pennsylvania. >> just being around her made me feel better. because that is what i wanted. i wanted to be loved. >> he found her on the internet. in less than two months they were engaged. and she said that she was pregnant. >> at the time that i had met her i had no credit cards to my name whatsoever. >> she persuaded him she said to get 15 cards. which he maxed out leaving him $33,000 in debt. and by the way she told his sister in law lori. >> that she was a pediatric specialist and she had worked with children and. that was her specialty. >> and as lori had been having some behavioral issues with her daughter. heather gave the girl a blood test. >> to see if there was anything wrong with her. >> and? >> she said i want you to know that your daughter's bipolar. >> but it was odd. how would geno based on a blood
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test that her daughter was bipolar? and why would heather use her own diabetes kid for the test? lori hit the internet to check out the woman who was playing doctor with her child. >> and found that she actually was a wanted felon. >> so she called the cops who arrested heather in the act of spending more of chris's mother. but somehow she got off the hook. the lorry press charges and pushed hard for a prosecution. nobody followed through. and lori eventually gave up. lives with the guilt now. >> i think it was a month or so after i gave it up. that's when she came to d.c. and she had met kate. and i always feel if i could've hung on one more month i could've helped them get her. >> now as he prepared to defend ethan, david was feeling much better. his chief accuser was a practiced con artist. would any jury believe her? ethan might be naive, said
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eylar, but the story had never changed. >> they had gone out to dinner. he, kate, heather. after they went up to dinner he dropped kate off at their parents home in downtown austin. spoke with her a couple times he had text message that night. and did not talk to her again after that. >> so it was all on heather. and with her as ethan's chief accuser. how could any jury convict him? but just days before the trial was to start. solicitors scarlett wilson finally uncovered something the case lacked. a clear motive. she found it she said in letters that kate wrote to a friend just before she disappeared. >> she was talking about how someone has tried to extend her credit limit. or has tried to assume her identity. and mess with her money in her bank. and she was livid. and i think that kate was threatening to get her father
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involved. and that was a new dimension for heather camp. >> but she didn't need katy is an enemy? . >> i have no doubt that katie confronted heather camp with that. >> and that prosecutor says that ethan and kate decided that they had to keep her from talking. kate had to die. >> he began to make a choice to join in the scam to rip off kate waring. >> finally the prosecutors felt ready. almost a year to the day after kate was found she launched the trial of eaton mac. the sole defendant in the courtroom. heather having taken the plea agreement. -- though what they saw defied preparation. >> we had to see images. and see what they was like when they found her. and go through all the forensics. we were seeing that for the first time along with the jurors and all those other spectators in the courtroom.
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>> the a-team took the stand, as well as detectives and those from the police department to present the evidence. >> over a stupid forgery? >> prosecutor wilson told the jury that ethan and heather killed cage to avoid getting caught forging checks and using her credit cards. and then heather took the stand. and told the jury that it was ethan, not her, who learned cates to their tiny apartments. then smothered her. schachter with a taser. drowned her in the bathtub. and dumped her body out on the island. because he thought no one would ever find her. they're so? did you think that you convince that jury? >> i thought that the trial went better than i ever could've hoped. >> except that is, for two things. one? when the jury believe that ethan actually killed his best friend kate? and two. >> heather camp is a liar.
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heather camp is jealous of cates. heather camp is someone stealing. >> but, heather's testimony did seem to terrify one person. ethan mac himself. and it showed. >> when he was in the courtroom, waiting for the jury to come back. we have that picture of him, that shot. what was happening with your client? >> at that point, you know truth ear. truth are, i could really see it. >> what hold did heather have on this man? did the jury, did anyone have this crime figure out? >> coming up! a surprise from the jury. and another one from ethan max mom. >> his mother said there is more to the story. and you need to tell, it and you need to tell it right now. >> when dateline continues! teline continues i think you were supposed to keep left there. hmm? what is this place?
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a jury will react. to the fact of a complicated murder case. or, the accusations of a person like heather camp. ethan mack cooled his heels but his jury tried to decide whether he did or did not smother, beat, taser his best friend. the woman that he claimed was like a little sister to him. and then after 14 hours they trooped back into the courtroom. and told the judge that they could not decide whether or not ethan was guilty of murder. >> what i am going to do is on the murder charge, i'm going to declare a mistrial on that. >> miss trial? a hung jury. >> huge let down. it wasn't going to be over. it wasn't going to end. we were going to possibly have to relive that whole event
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again. >> as she packed up her files, solicitor scarlett wilson vowed to find justice somehow. and then quite unexpectedly, there was an intervention. from a surprising source. it was ethan max home churchgoing, no nonsense mother. she had testified during the trial for her son of course. gave a hint then of what she was made of. >> karine mack. the dea and. >> he's a mama's boy? >> yes he is. >> do you know anything about your son having any involvement with cates murder? >> no. >> if you did would you stand here today would you support him? >> he knows that i will turn him in. >> and then as ethan's mother sat through the rest of the trial. she heard things, knew her son, knew what he was hiding. so she went to see him in jail.
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ethan's attorney heard it all. >> so he did get loud in that cell when they were talking? >> he got front confrontation. basically the mother says there's more to the story. you need to tell it, and tell it right now, his mother wanted him to tell the truth and tell what happened. >> so it was decided soon after ethan and the mother had the top. he turned up and told the judge that he did participate in the murder with his friend kate. he agreed to voluntary manslaughter, in exchange for a 25-year prison sentence. >> you understand that the court still treats us as a guilty plea? >> yes ma'am. >> and that the court will reflected as a guilty plea? >> yes ma'am. >> since pleading guilty to forgery and obstruction of justice, they did not need a trial for her. guilty at mentally ill. in her sentencing, they told her that she developed after a
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deeply demented childhood. a whole basket of psychological disorders. some of them granting her inability to separate truth for diction. which led to -- and constant grifting. if they were hoping for a shorter prison term because of that. she did not get it. instead, solicitors scarlett wilson noted that she continued to lie about important details after she made her deal to testify. and because she broke the deal. the sentence? 39 years. 14 more than ethan. >> this was heather camps kill. while certainly ethan mac was involved. and certainly he laid his hands on kate. i do not believe that before heather camp we would be here. >> still. said andy savage after the fact, solicitor wilson could have had a much stronger case. had the charleston police acted more aggressively. just one example? when police arrested ethan and
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heather. >> because of their own in confidence. they release the property. the crime scene with the homicide taking place. turning it back to the landlord without examining its. so the landlord went in, vacated the premises. put their stuff in storage. and clean the place. >> play in the place? >> it wasn't until over two weeks later. they go in there knowing that the property had been tainted. the crime scene destroyed. >> no longer did scarlett wilson have the ammunition she would have liked to have had. but the scarlet police say they did not see it that way. they did take the case of kate wright easy they said. and the second guessing from the a-team was rather puzzling. at least according to captain thomas robinson who is retired. >> i'm surprised i really am. i thought we did a great job. and the teams of detectives that i have working for this agency. and the support that i had. it was fantastic.
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>> what may have looked like inaction, says then detective now prosecutor david of spurn. was a careful and thorough investigation. that did not leave out any possibilities. >> at some point did you think that this girl is probably dead? she's come to serious harm? >> early on. >> early on? how many days on after would you say? >> i would say within that first week for sure. >> yeah. so you knew it was a murder investigation at that stage? >> no. it could've been an overdose. it could've been an accidental death. i think that we felt like we were probably dealing with a death investigation. >> but neither tom no janis was the league bet satisfied. hadn't the police suggested that kate may have skipped town on their own? seems so the wearing's they were not trying very hard to find her. and what about the other families of missing people. they asked? families without the resources to hire the a-team. >> unfortunately, missing
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people are low on the priority list nationwide. >> i feel like that as missing person or a missing child should be just as important as a bank robbery. because lots of people never find out after their child. >> it was late after midnight when she came to the end of her story and assured there by two people that she believed to be good friends of hers. and nobody, not the wearing's, not the a-team, not the police has heard the story that you are about to hear. the competing stories. of the last hours and minutes of cates life. >> the question is. will whose story would you believe? her longtime friend. the uncle of her godson? or the charming grifter. the woman who played with faith on the train. >> coming up. >> i had a big conscience.
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the train that rides down the eastern seaboard -- . from washington to charleston. to be a stranger. >> sat in the same seat. laughed. we're joking the whole way. started talking. >> heather camp, freshly supplied with jewelry and cash on her last mark. just by chance found herself setting with a woman wearing jewelry and access to such cash as heather had never seen
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before. >> what did you see in her? why did you like her? >> she was funny. very funny. >> now, sitting here in jail. heather claimed she saw kate not as her next victim, but her friend. in charleston when she professed her lover kates buddy ethan mack and married him. that love was true to. so she says now. and when she told them both, all those well practiced lies about being a doctor. about her husband and child being killed in an accident, et cetera, et cetera. those stories were just a part of the stick of a con artist. >> that's what i do. that's who i am. that's the way i have learned how to survive. >> but remember that in court the prosecutor called heather the mastermind who lied to complicate. lied to manipulate eaten. lied about murder. >> you are the decision-maker. you are the person who caused her death. >> i do not take it as that. >> stole from her, yes, but kill kate? no. heather camp will not cost to
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that. instead, this was the story the grifter had for us. it was all eaten. right from the start. >> my husband wanted to rip her off because she had many. >> but wait. why would ethan want any harm to come to his good friend kate. >> the trouble was was that ethan never considered her a friend. >> not a friend of hers at all? >> no. he was babysitting her. and she became a problem for him. >> became a real problem says how they're. when kate found out that she and ethan were stealing from her. >> she was like i'm gonna put you guys in jail. and that scared ethan. and the whole nightmare began that night. because he was not going to go to jail. >> so you're saying that ethan was the mastermind? not you? >> yes. yes. >> so after dinner that night says heather. they took kate back to the apartment. ethan got her a little high. >> after a couple of drinks she was in a very good mood.
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>> there was a big suitcase on the floor. ethan dared her to get in. she did. did not see the taser that he was holding. he starts chasing her. and he doesn't stop. and by the time he removes this taser. she is not moving. inside the suitcase at all. he races into the bedroom. grab the pillow off the bed. comes back in. pushes me away and observe the suitcase. takes the pillow, compresses it over her mouth. grabs the wind bottle that is maybe four feet away. takes the wind bottle. crack. crack. i think maybe it's three times that he has her. he tells me to go inside in the bathroom and start the water. >> she was terrified she says. >> did you say it and stop? >> i didn't say anything. >> didn't say anything at all? why not? >> i cried but i didn't say anything. i did not know what to do. i did not know what to say. when he told me to do something i get it. >> she fills the tub. she says.
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>> he asked me to help her put her in there. i can't. i said. i started crying and threw up in the toilet. >> why didn't you put her in the water? >> at that point. the only thing i was thinking about is how am i going to make it out of this house? >> did you think he would kill you too? >> why not? who else knows but me? why not. why wouldn't be next? >> so she helped put the body in the car. watched him dump her on the island. and of course she lied when she told ethan that he was pregnant. but that was just for the sake of her own safety. says heather. >> i thought. well. if i'm carrying his kid. i am okay. he's not going to try to hurt me. >> really? so then a moment later when asked why she didn't just leave ethan. slip away like she always dead. she quite reverses herself. >> i didn't want to. i really loved him. >> then eventually she says that she just had to confess. >> conscience is a --
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and i have a big conscience. he doesn't have a conscience. >> and that's the god's honest truth said heather camp. every single word. but there was another story to be told. >> dateline returns after the break. th break. >> the night when evil.
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evil lying type of person that would do anything that she can to basically get her way. >> of course it was different when kate brought heather round to see him that first time. >> she was the ugly female that. talked >> talkative. told him all kinds of things. >> she told me that her son died from a disease that she was trying to help find. to care because she was supposed to be adopted. and she told me that her daughter and her husband got killed in a bad car accident. >> ethan was entranced, he
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said. claimed he believed everything she told him. that's when they moved in together. and each day he she would go to his hotel job. and she would go off to the hospital for her doctor work. >> she would get up. put on her makeup. put on her scrubs. put on her white jacket with her name sold in it. >> but heather had another story. says the. then one she had used at other marks but he did not know that. and members of her family were violent and powerful drug dealers. and one day, she says he told have a terrifying story. the family said that she had sold out. she had ratted him out to police. kate was going to die. and those drug king pins decided that heather and ethan would be the executioners. >> she said that her family would basically be telling her that she better get ready. they are going to -- >> you believe this actually could happen? >> i thought that people would
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be bought up from $10. and shot after for less than that. >> so that awful night? >> they zip them out with the suitcase. and they and loudest that they got to kill her. >> right then ethan. she's lying in that suitcase. top is zipped up. what you do as her friend is. you go and upset her suitcase and say ha. get up. right? >> no it wasn't. >> that's not how it worked? why not? >> because my mother. my sister. my daddy and my life. >> but says ethan, it was not he but heather who had smothered cage with the parlor. >> i couldn't do that or kill her. so how they're jumped out of the way and smothered with the pillow. and i went into the room. and dropped on my knees. and said forgive me what is
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going on. and what i'm witnessing happen in front of my face. >> yeah you are praying. but you weren't pushing her off. you aren't stopping it? >> no i could not stop her because i will say that i was still thinking that those people were going to kill me. >> i now. but let me challenge you for a minute because i know you're good friend to her. >> yes sir. >> it's like killing your sister forgot sake? >> yes. that's exactly what it is like. >> the rest of it. the taylor. the blood. the drowning in the bathtub. all heather says it. and not him. and when he helped to hide their crime? when he actually mother mary heather. that says ethan, was because she told him that she was pregnant. it wasn't because ethan believed her as usual. and that he was about to abandon his child. >> yeah but you married a killer. you got married her after the killing? >> just for her to stop
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threatening me about running off and taking my baby. >> gods on his truth. said it. and every single word. and now at night in his jail cell. >> how often do you think about that moment? >> i think about it a whole lot. it messes you up real bad. that i could've saved, are and always wanted to say. for the rest of the time. but now look at me. >> you're getting what you deserve? >> yes. i'm getting exactly what i deserve. i have to do this time in jail. i cannot bring her back. all of the powers that i asked for, and how much i asked the heavily father to take my life away and bring hers back. it cannot be done. >> no. it will not. not for him, not for the family. it was in court that kate's father tom read one of the last things that she had ever wrote. they had gone to church together, he and the daughter who adored him. the girl about who he worried so. she scrambled something on a prayer note. and stuffed it in a church pew. just a couple of sundays before
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she boarded that fateful train. >> she wrote. please pray for my father, tom, who worries himself sick and for nothing. i am and will be fine. if i die tomorrow, i have lived through almost everything in the world. and i am not afraid of anything. just know that i pray for god's forgiveness for bringing tears to my daddy's eyes. this sunday, taking on trump. the republican primary field will be expanding this week as florida governor ron desantis and tim scott both jump into the 2024 race. >> think the party has developed a party of

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