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let me close with this. as much as i'm excited about this journey, i simply want to say this. it's really not about me. it's about that 7-year-old girl named jordan who brought roses to the stage for my mother. it's about 12-year-old who came on the stage. you see, america is a city on the hill. we are the beacon in the midst of darkness. we have an unusual responsibility. we have the responsibility to

prove that self-governance works. we have the responsibility to share for thousands of generations what america has done for me, she can do for you. this can't be a another presidential campaign. we don't have time for that. we need a president who persuades not just our friends at our base. we need a president that persuades. we have to do that with common sense. conservative principles, but we have to have a compassion for people. we have to have a compassion part people who don't agree with us. we have to believe that our ideas are so strong and so powerful and persuasive that we can actually take it to the

highest points in the world ask be successful. but we also have to be able to take it all the way down to places that today are hopeless and prove that who we are works for all americans. i'm living proof that god and a good family and the united states of america can do all things if we believe. will you believe it with me? will you join the team of the greatest nation on god's green earth.

let me close with this. may the lord bless us for another thousand geerations. maybe gracious towards us. i believe the next american century starts today. >> good day. the republican primary race has a new candidate. moments ago a spirited republican senator tim scott joining the field. trying to preempt ron desantis' expected announcement later this week launching his own campaign in south carolina.

scott, the only black republican in the senate, now has the notable backing of john thune. he's been the gop's leading voice on policing and race relations while rejecting the idea that the country is racist. >> for those of you who wonder if america is a racest country, take a look. at how people come together. all of god's people come together. because love, unconditional love binds hearts together. we are not defined by the color of our skin. we are defined by the content of our character and if anyone tells you anything different, they are lying. >> joining me now is campaign and capitol hill correspondent ali vitali in south carolina.

former congressman from florida david jolly, former press secretary robert gibbs, and yoes reporter eugene scott. senator scott is evangelical with a good chance in iowa. he's getting off stage to speak to people face to face. if the backing of senator thune is very popular in the caucus. and he has some democratic support as well. ali, how does he shape up? >> reporter: look, he is beloved back in washington, where you and i generally see him in his role as a senator. certainly, this hometown crowd also felt the same, a speech we expected to go about 20 minutes went doubly as long. in part, you could tell the candidate was just feeding off the energy of the crowd, in a speech that was largely about who he is as a person, who he is

as a lawmaker, things he successfully did during the trump era on opportunity zones during the trump tax cuts. but he was also here to pitch himself to the american public. most of the people in this room told me before he got on stage they have known tim scott for a long time throughout his career in politics. this is america's first real chance to get to see him in his element pitching a story we often heard how his grandfather went from picking cotton to watching his grandson ascend to congress. he's making this case now that america is a place that can give you a hand up and he wants to return to those policies. i think for those of us who are watching this race, though, through the lens of the republican primary and how tim scott and all these other candidates plan to take on donald trump, there was no discussion of that in this speech here today. instead, tim scott trying to pitch a unifying candidacy, someone who can be -- someone who appeals outside the party,

but at the same time, he took on president biden today, no mention of former president trump. >> eugene, cory booker spoke out about tim scott. i talked about the fact he's very popular in washington. among people from all ideological stripes. and one of the things that was really striking to me was the city on the hill, he was very reagan in his optimism. let's watch what cory booker had to say on the show on sunday. >> two big bald black guys growing up in america have had similar experiences that are bad. run-ins with police officers and similar experiences that are good, growing up in good black churches. >> what should people who are intrigued with his presidential aspirations know about him? yo know him on a personal level.

>> i think that as i look at this republican field, he maybe one of those people that is underestimated. >> so talk about him. he is not the first american to run for the republican nomination, but how does his entry change the dynamic of the race? sdwl this is going to be the first opportunity for someone running for the gop primary to really talk about race from a personal experience. we know much of the politics that many trump support etc. are drawn to, the grievance politics are tied to race relations in america. but from a conservative standpoint, tim scott speaks to that and points to himself as someone that has pleasured quite a bit despite the problems that america has had. whether he will be able to tell those same voters that there still are some challenges that many black voters and black americans who aren't even engaged in the electoral process still have and that he's going to hopefully provide some solution to. that remains to be seen. whether he's try get to swing

voters, trying to provide a hopeful message, but he has to get out of the gop primary first. >> and david jolly, on abortion, as where republican candidates have not been where they were, tim scott told ali vitali back in iowa a couple weeks ago he would sign the most conservative pro life legislation, in his words, that republicans can get through congress. but he does not back the six-week ban that was just passed in florida. >> yeah, there's always a euphoria around a candidate's announcement day. but the reality is there are plenty of reasons for democrats to oppose tim scott, not just for his failure to distance himself from donald trump and criticize donald trump, but on this issue of abortion. i think tim scott is showing is he doesn't know how to handle that issue. because it is so unpopular, the

republican position is, with general election presidential voters in a post dobbs environment. so we should just assume that tim scott was telling the truth. he will sign the most pro-life, and that would include a national ban. we have not heardan aspirational candidate in awhile. you saw some deliberate strategy. he spoke of his fate to contrast himself with mike pence, who tries to own that space. he was a operationalal and personable and likable to contrast himself with the really reclusive ron desantis. and i think ron desantis is that final target and final piece of this. every other candidate is running to get in front of ron desantis so they can have a shot at a wasn't on one with donald trump. >> and robert gibbs, ron desantis is officially jumping

in this week. he could announce as soon as tomorrow. you have the naacp issing a travel advisory for people coming to florida because they say in part the state is openly hostile towards african-americans and lgbtq plus individuals. the naacp warning people. so how much of ron desantis as an official candidate still dominate the field as a number two still double digits behind donald trump, but the front runner. >> ron desantis is still in the second position here, but as you see others jump in, tim scott today, maybe chris christie and others, they don't seem to be all that worried about ron desantis. in they were, they wouldn't be jumping in this race. i think that's one thing. and obviously, i think the

contrast in style in speaking in hopefulness, it's very telling this he didn't engage donald trump. i wouldn't have expected him to. i think he hopes that the two of them get into a big food fight and that creates a lane for another candidate to be seen and be heard. i watched tim skth's travel schedule. if i was him, i would spend a crazy amount of time in iowa and new hampshire and try to get some oxygen coming out of those two states and heading into south carolina. because while we have a front runner in donald trump and number two in ron desantis, we have a long time period to go. and iowa and those results are really going to shape things up. someone is going to get some oxygen coming out of there we don't expect. and for tim scott, his strategy has to be that he's that person. >> tim scott, i would think, has red light good chance. we have seen how evangelical candidates have really done well in iowa in the past.

so you point out about new hampshire as well. david jolly, i want to ask you about too many republicans getting in potentially. chris suh gnaw knew could get in as well. and that would really help donald trump. >> that's right. the more candidates get in, the stronger the hold the donald trump has. robert's point is important. we are seeing more candidates come in because they are seeing the weakness of ron desantis. my theory is that ron desantis shot, there are enough republicans that want to get past donald trump. they supported him in the past. but they are no more trumpers. so ron desantis was the successful governor in florida. but what he showed is he can't get over that 20% and take voters today who are with donald trump and bring him into his camp.

so tim scott, glenn youngkin, chris christie is saying i can do that. all that benefits. but baked into their strategy is the notion that perhaps donald trump is the one that looms donald trump. is it through legal indictment or another reason. they will take him on on eligibility. come with me. i'm the conservative that can. >> thank you all for starting us off. and my colleague is going to have an interview with tim scott tonight on "nbc nightly news" and streaming on peacock's top story. it's the first interview after declaring. and deal or no deal, the president's high-stakes debt meeting with kevin mccarthy this afternoon. i'll talk about the debt ceiling with "andrea mitchell reports" is back in just 60 seconds. stay with us. k in just 60 secons stay with us with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills,

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president biden and kevin mccarthy are going to try to reboot the debt ceiling talks when they go head to head this afternoon. with the president back from the g7 in japan, his top priority is trying to find an agreement that can pass both the house and the senate. divided caucuses as they are with only a few days left to even get through the lengthy process of passing legislation. and the president has ruled out going around congress saying there isn't enough time left for legal challenges, if he were to try to use the 14th amendment. >> we are focused on raising the debt ceiling. there will be hard choices, if that doesn't occur. there can be no acceptable outcomes if the debt ceiling isn't raised, regardless of what decision wes make. >> capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles joins me now. janet yellen was talking to chuck todd about the june 1st deadline. the president for the first time blaming the house republicans at

his news conference on sunday. was this just posturing or do they think they can get something back on track? >> reporter: i think anything they say publicly you have to view with a degree of skepticism that it is just posturing. because the real work is being done behind close canned doors. we have seen negotiators from the white house and from the speaker's office behind closed doors as early as 9:15 this morning. in just the last ten minutes, that meeting broke up. we believe it's for a lunch break and they are going to continue to talk. basically, everyone who left that meeting did not respond to any questions. except for one of the negotiate eshs working with speaker mccarthy. he said they are still not on agreement yet, and more work has to be done. this is all setting up the stage for this meeting with the speaker and president this later. this is what the speaker told us

earlier today are his expectations for the negotiations going forward. >> we'll talk about that. the underlying issue here is the democrats since they took the majority has been addicted to spending and that's going to stop. >> reporter: so we'll have to see if they are getting any closer on the specifics. the thing we always have to keep in mind with negotiations is that the agreement with the speaker and president is only one stage. still needs the support of both chambers of congress, which will not be an easy task. >> that's an understatement indeed. you have been covering it for so long. thank you so much. and maryland senator chris van holland joins me now. i want to ask you about death ceiling in a second, but i want to ask you about tim scott. his speech was very animated and optimistic. doesn't attack donald trump, takes strong views on cultural

issues as well, but does it with optimism and a great deal of spirit. what do you think? >> it's great to be with you. i did see the launch. i'm glad that tim scott is getting in this race. i work with him on the banking and housing committee. and i think his is an important voice to get into this race. but make no mistake. the energy at the grass roots level of the republican party is very much with donald trump. and if the elections were held today, donald trump would win the republican primary very easily. we're also seeing that when it comes to the influence donald trump has among house republicans. and the maga movement there. so glad to see tim scott enter the race, but let's not kid ourselves. donald trump still runs the republican party. >> and looking towards the debt

ceiling, donald trump said on that cnn town hall that we need to let the debt ceiling go up. what do you think about more and more republicans and democrats saying just let it happen. >> it would be crazy to go over the fiscal cliff. it would destroy our economy. what is so dangerous about this situation is you have kevin mccarthy saying if you don't accept our extreme agenda or big parts of our extreme agenda, we'll push the default detonator and blow up the american economy. and american families will really be hurt. that's what they are saying. so i'm very nervous because speaker mccarthy is a weak speaker. we saw how many rounds it took for him to get elected. i simply don't think he can deliver a majority of his caucus on any kind of sensible deal.

so i think we should be looking at a different plan b, which is known as the discharge petition. where we could have anywhere between 5 and 30 sensible house republicans join with every house democrat and put forward a deal that would make sense. >> that's a very tall hill to climb, especially with some of the house progressives. >> i don't think the white house has dismissed this idea. the white house has been less eager to move to the 14th amendment alternative, which i understand their reluctance to make that a preferred alternative. they are trying to get these negotiations between the president and kevin mccarthy on

track. i listen to the happy talk in the past and i have been a skeptic all along because of the lack of speaker mccarthy's ability to deliver what would be considered a fair agreement. president biden has already put a trillion dollars of cuts on the table. he's also proposed $3 trillion in deficit reduction by cloing tax breaks for very rich people. and big corporations. but republicans have dismissed that. the one thing to understand here is the republicans don't give a damn about the deficit. what they are doing is using the default threat to impose their agenda, including deep cuts in investments that help public school kids, seniors, and middle-class families. so that's what we're dealing with. >> i didn't mean to interrupt

you. i'm a little confused as to how you think that you could have all the democrats hang together behind a deal that mccarthy has blessed and how do you think you can hold all the democrat cans together and get some republicans on a deal that's not been agreed to. that's the first thing for the discharge petition. >> hakeem jeffries, the democratic leader in the house, filed a petition that almost every democrat has signed. and what you would do is negotiate with enough sensible republicans to join that discharge petition. the reason that is a viable alternative is there are about 30 houses who have supported a

proposal that was put forward by about 30 house democrats as well, they joined together and put together a proposal that has some ingredients that could move forward. they have cuts in the range of exactly what president biden has already put on the table. they talked about creating a debt reduction committee or commission. so you already have house republicans, not a lot, but enough, who have been on record proposing this alternative way. so all i'm saying is plan a negotiations with the president, do need to go first, but we need to be looking at this other alternative because the republicans drove up the debt under donald trump. they had big tax cuts for the rich. we saw the national debt grow by 40% under donald trump. 25% of the total debt today is

accumulated during the four years of donald trump. and republicans are not willing to close any tax breaks for rich people to reduce the deficit. they don't care about that. what they are trying to do is use this threatening our economy, in order to impose their radical agenda and being done by donald trump. >> it's another whole challenge. to be continued. thank you very much. coming up, the battle for bakhmut. russia claiming its first major victory in months. but is ukraine primed to claim the city back? we're you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. on missimsnbc. ♪ this is larissa, who's feeling glown up. ♪ ♪ and this here is winnie, who zhuzhed up their cup. ♪

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dispute for several days, ukraine appears to have lost its bloodiest battle in bakhmut. a top commander is admitting his troops only retained an insignificant part of the city. as ukrainian troops try to advance and surround the city, on sunday russian state tv claimed mission accomplished while broadcasting images not verified by nbc of soldiers waving russian flags. satellite images from 2022 and this month show a barren wasteland where 80,000 people once lived before the war. president zelenskyy addressing the bat until remarks with president biden at his side at the g7 summit as the u.s. announced $375 million more in military aid. >> they destroyed it. there's nothing on this place.

so a lot of dead russians. >> joining me now from the city northwest of bakhmut is foreign continue molly huntder. and ben rhodes. molly, what's the latest, as you were reporting earlier, this is in dispute. russia is claiming victory. do we know yet what really has happened there? >> reporter: we're joining you from kharkiv, just about 130 miles north of where bakhmut is. we're close to the russian border. it's ukraine's eastern most city. when you really dig into the official statements, it's going to come down to semantic. s. so over the weekend, you have the wagner mercenary chief whose fighters have been on the front line of bakhmut really handling the fiercest fighting in that city block by block.

lots of high-rises, brutal warfare. he claimed total control of the city center. you have putin congratulating forces. and today what the officials are basically reframing it as a battle, they are pushingen the flanks. i think what is so interesting and what we are going to be watching for in the next 72 hours is he was going to pull his mercenary forces out ofback mut on thursday. the question then is does it twist the arm to fill in the reenforcements. will russian regular forces fill those gaps and hold that defensive line, will troops see that as an opportunity to kind of push in from their positions on the outskirts of the city. and president zelenskyy is returning to ukraine today after his weekend in japan, very triumphant weekend. it will be interesting to see what moves, if any, happen now that the president is back in country. i have to add for the last nine

months, there's been a lot of questions about the strategy of bakhmut. this is not a particularly strategic city for either side, but on the ukrainian side, leadership has long said that what they are doing is keeping russian forces busy in a protracted battle so elsewhere forces can really organize and rearm apparently for the pending counteroffensive we have been hearing so much about. >> and we also saw such a fallout over the wagner group's leader and the military official defense force there. in terms of who has putin's ear and was extraordinary fallout. i don't know how significant that is as a setback for the russians, but is this a big setback in terms of the propaganda skpral what the situation on the ground for ukraine tries with its new offensive. >> first of all, there's been some pretty extraordinary and unusual developments in the russian offensive in the sense

that you had the wagner group, a private force controlled by this oligarch, pulling people out of prisons. you had human waves of convicts ascend to the front line. and it highlighted this command where you have a formal military, but in bakhmut a lot of the fighting has been done by them. and it points to a disjointed command structure, where in a major war like this, you wouldn't normally have not just a private military force, but and continually taking shots at the russian command structure and undermining the military and to build himself up. in the past we have seen putin take advantage of people trying to curry his favor. but that's not what you want in a war. this is not a case where this is putin playing politics inside of russia. so i think what remains to be

seen is whether he will be a part of the combined command structure, or whether he's going to say, i delivered you bakhmut. i'm pulling my guys out. i'm going to focus on other parts of the world where wagner has been in the lead like africa. this is a real question. can they unify their command structure. >> how important are the f-16s, not for the spring offensive because it's going to take months to train and get them delivered, and it's still not clear what countries are going to supply them because they are in relatively short supply. >> that's right. first of all, in the immediate months ahead, we have been waiting for this ukrainian counteroffensive. that's not something where the f-16s are going to come into play. it's going to take months to train the pilots on these things. what the ukrainians need are longer range utility. the ukrainians talk about how they bled, but ukraine used a lot of small arm there is too.

that's what a they need to sustain a counteroffensive. they are a significant from the united states and allies that we're in this for a long haul. it's a message that what putin was hoping is maybe we'll support through this offensive and everything will be tired of supplying them. this sends a message from the west that we're in this beyond this offensive. and these f-16s, we have to figure out where they are going to be delivered. this is going to give another capability on the back end of the offensive that's coming. the battlefield they have been receiving in ukraine, that's what's going to matter in the months ahead. >> and quickly, is there still a larger attacks from russia as there have been last week?

>> reporter: actually, as we talked about, kyiv is under siege. three major waves in the last week. we got to kharkiv yesterday. the sirens really have been just continuing constantly. so certainly as there are losses on the battlefield, we will see kind of more of that really significant aerial bombardment and that's what the capital has been seeing in the last week. >> thank you both. ahead, new details about the suspect just arraigned for the murders of four idaho college students. that report coming next on "andrea mitchell reports," only on msnbc. ming next on "anda remitchell reports," only on msnbc

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he was arrested in pennsylvania after it took weeks to identify him. in a recent "dateline" exclusive, detectives found evidence for several months before the murders, kohberger went on amazon to buy a knife and sheathe. joining me now is erin mclaughlin in idaho and former attorney joyce vance here in washington. the court just adjourned. what did we learn that's new about this case? >> reporter: well, the proceeding lasted some 15 minutes. it was a dramatic proceeding as the names of the victims were head out in court. the family of one of the victims openly sobbed. those charges were read by the judge. kohberger was asked if he understood the charges. he said yes. also according to an nbc producer inside the courtroom,

the judge asked for kohberger to enter a plea. at that point, ko berger's lawyer said that he would be standing silent, which is an option here in idaho. in that case, the judge then entered a not guilty plea on all counts on behalf of kohberger. this was a possibility going into today. although legal experts told me that would be very unusual for him to stand silent. we know previously he told a prior attorney he believes he will be exonerated in all of this. a trial date has been set for october 2nd. and now the prosecution has 60 days to declare whether or not they are going to be pursuing the death penalty in this case. >> and joyce vance, what is next in this trial? how do you see this trial shape

ing up? "dateline" had more exclusive information about a previous incident involving him and another student at idaho, whose apartment he had access to. >> more evidence is emerging that he was someone who was manipulative in the instance that you're referring to, he entered a woman's apartment, rearranged her belongings and led her to believe he was reliant upon him for help. so prosecutors will use that evidence. the evidence that he purchased this knife out as premeditation, and that will raise the dath penalty question. prosecutors have 60 days to make that determination. idaho recently put in place a measure that makes them one of five states that can use firing squad for execution. that involves a lot of litigation over whether that's constitutional, and it maybe an opportunity for prosecutors to negotiate a guilty plea here. today we have the standing silent not guilty plea, but

there could ultimately be a guilty plea to avoid the risk after capital punishment in exchange for that plea as a possible outcome. >> and how would that be with the families? do you know whether the families are focused on capital punishment? >> reporter: this is horrific for the families of all of the victims. one family has previously said they want to see justice. they want to see the killer of their daughter staring him square in the face, which they were in court for today's proceedings. in terms of the death penalty, there's also a gag order still in place. the question mark as to whether or not the court will continue to uphold that gag order going forward, which is preventing

families from speaking out at this time. >> we're going to listen to them reading the charmings, as we hear this tape coming from the the courtroom. >> the state of idaho did unlawfully enter a residence located at 1122 with an intent to commit the felony crime of murder. this alleges that you on november 13, 2022, state of idaho, did willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice kill and murder a human being by

stabbing. count three, murder in the first degree, a felony under idaho code section 18-4001. this alleges that you on or about november 13, 2022, state of idaho, did willfully, unlawful, deliberately with premeditation and mal lis aforethought kill and murder a human being by stabbing, from which she died. count four, murder in the first degree, as a felony under idaho code 18-4001, 4002, 400 3 and 4004. on about november 13 in state of

idaho did willfully, deliberately, with premeditation and malice aforethought kill and murder a human being by stabbing, from which she died. count five, murder in the first degree. a felony under idaho code 18-401, 402, 4003, and 4004. this alleges that you on november 13, 2022 in state of idaho did willfully, unlawfully, deliberately, with premeditation and malice aforethought kill and murder a human being by

stabbing, from which he died. this is signed may 16, 2023 by the presiding grand juror. so now i'm going to go to the penalties of each charge. starting with count one, burglary, minimum one year and up to ten years in an imprisonment, a fine of up to $50,000. restitution for the victims economic loss resulting from the crime. for counts two, three, four, and five, murder in the first degree, maximum penalties, life in prison or the death penalty. a fine up to $50,000 and life in prison or death penalty, restitution for the victims'

economic losses and additional fine up to $5,000 to be paid directly to the victims' families. >> joyce, listening to these counts are what you'd expect to hear today. we knew about that. the judge issued a gag order. how unusual is that? >> it's not completely out of bounds here. what the judge is trying to do is to avoid pretrial publicity to make it difficult to get a fair jury. this is a very serious crime, the kind of crime that's captured the public interest. he's protecting the defendant's ability to get a fair trial, which means the judge is protecting the people's justice. >> and what happens next in this case? >> reporter: well, all eyes will be on the prosecutor. the prosecutor now has some 60 days to declare whether or not the prosecution will pursue the death penalty, which legal experts that i have been speaking to, is a distinct

possibility. important to note here in idaho recently passed legislation that allows for death by firing squad. that law goes into effect on july 1st. death by firing squad, if they can't find the chemicals for lethal injection, which is why legal experts say they believe the prosecution here is taking a hard look at the death penalty for bryan ko berger, given the heinous nature of this alleged crime. >> and joyce, how unusual to have a firing squad as one of the ways of inflicting capital punishment? >> it's unusual and sounds like a throwback. idaho becomes one of five states that authorizes it. but there's some sub text here. the drugs that are used to execute people have been in short supply. they have been difficult to obtain. some states had to reschedule executions because they aren't

able to do it many that fashion. and so this trend to death penalty using a firing squad, it is a function of that shortage. >> there's been cases where the drugs used have been flawed and all sorts of constitutional questions about that because they have not worked effectively. he did not enter his own guilty plea. he remained silent. him. >> that, too, is very unusual. apparently nothing about this case will be routine or ordinary. this is a defendant who previously said he's not guilty, that he expects to be vindicated at trial despite the mountain of evidence prosecutors have amassed against him. standing silent i view as

another way to play with the rules of the criminal justice system. the judge entered a not guilty plea for him and in this case will proceed just as if he entered his own plea. >> george, you're here because the sisters in law podcast is wrapping up your cross-country tour. >> we are, thanks for having me about it. we have done a series of live podcast shows. it's been fun to show how interesting americans are in democracy and in the rule of law. >> i love how you travel across the country. i wanted to be there with you. >> thank you. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for being in moscow, idaho. the hard choices. the latest on the debt ceiling countdown and what happens if both sides can't strike a deal. congressman mike quigley joins me next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. me next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc

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in the last few minutes, debt ceiling negotiators wrapped their first round of discussions today on capitol hill and this afternoon's white house meeting between president biden and speaker mccarthy. any potential agreement will likely include concessions from both sides with the white house potentially asking house democrats to cover defections from the speaker's far right to pass the bill. congressman mike quigley joining me now. i'm getting notes as to what they said when they got out. they said that they're very -- i think this is congressman patrick mchenry, republican from north carolina saying there's still no agreement. more work has to be done. he said we're at a very sensitive point here. as he left the meeting, the goal is to get something that can be legislated into law. i guess that's pretty clear. that's been the challenge. are you willing to support a compromise now if one is reached by the white house? it does give house republicans some of what they want on those

budget issues. >> we've been here beforement i voted for a compromise under president obama. in some respects, the damage has already been done. what i tell speaker mccarthy is we're showing the world yet again that we can't govern. the fact that you go to the last minute on something like this, the fact that we're even debating whether or not a default is possible. in my lifetime we have raised the debt limit 78 times, 49 under republican presidents, 18 under reagan, three under trump. if you don't have a problem raising it under republican administrations, why do you under democratic terms of office? >> your co-chair of the house ukraine caucus. are you concerned, also, over reports from bakhmut over setbacks there? >> sure. i'm concerned about a number of things there. i'm not sure i would ever trust anything the russians say as to

what's taking place on the ground because there hasn't been a grain of truth to it since the war began nor even before. but this is a difficult area. i don't know that it's that strategic and important, but it sends a message to the rest of the world that things are going well. what the offensive needs is more of the same, a lot more ammunition, a lot more 155 millimeter artillery shales, advanced training and whatever else the ukrainians need to move forward as quickly as possible. >> the f-16s will clearly not be there for months and months. do you think the f-16s are going to make a difference perhaps in the fall when they're finally deployed? we still don't know what countries are going to supply them. are you confident that there are enough in the supply line to get there and make a difference? >> it's a fair question. it depends on cooperation with our allies.

i think your previous guest hit it right on the head. this announcement coming when the offensive begins, even they won't use them, is very important because it sends a clear message to putin that the west is there for the long term. they will give ukraine whatever it needs to be victorious. obviously you've seen the familiar pattern here. we began this war arming what we thought would be an insurgency because, of course, they were going to lose the war in a matter of days. that was light arms, stingers, javelins. eventually we started with no and eventually got the yes on heavy armor, artillery, himars, tanks and apparently now f-16s. i'd like to think we've gotten past those stages and will with the greatest haste move forward. what has secretary austin said? ukraine doesn't have any time to waste. the offensive is coming.

we have to prepare for that. if there's something after that as well. >> very briefly, do you have any hopes that the dysfunction within the russian command might help the ukrainians? >> it has all along. when i traveled to poland twice at the border and talked with our military experts, they were going to school on that dysfunction, learning about the russians. it's helped us so far. i'd like to think it will help us in the future. there are some indications that the russians have learned some lessons and we have to be wary of that as well. >> congressman mike quigley, thank you so very much, the co-chair of the ukraine caucus, and a very important role it is indeed. >> thank you. >> u thank you again, sir. before we go, she's back. brittney griner made an emotional return to the wnba this weekend in her first games since being jailed in russia for nearly ten months. the love from fans and griner's

teammates was undeniable as she took the court. griner won the tip-off, later scored a three-pointer screaming "i'm back." indeed she is, smiling the whole way. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online, on facebook and twitter,@mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. from cotton to congress in two generations. that's how south carolina senator tim scott describes his powerful life story and vision of optimism for his newly announced presidential campaign. but is that enough to knock off donald trump? president biden and speaker mccarthy running out of time to find common ground. will