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took the court. griner won the tip-off, later scored a three-pointer screaming "i'm back." indeed she is, smiling the whole way. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online, on facebook and twitter,@mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. from cotton to congress in two generations. that's how south carolina senator tim scott describes his powerful life story and vision of optimism for his newly announced presidential campaign. but is that enough to knock off donald trump? president biden and speaker mccarthy running out of time to find common ground. will today's meeting spark new
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hopes for a deal or fuel new fears that the u.s. could actually default for the first time in its history. ak kwused murderer bryan kohberger face-to-face with the parents of the students he's accused of stabbing to death. shocking new details in the case coming up. we start with the supercharged republican race. south carolina senator tim scott becoming the latest candidate to test the party's appetite for someone who isn't donald trump, officially launching his presidential campaign just a couple hours ago. that puts the official number of major candidates at six, but there's the potential for many more, with ron desantis set to announce in the coming days and others like mike pence and chris christie reportedly ready to jump in, the field could hit double digits within weeks. today belonged to senator scott,
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the only black republican in the u.s. senate. speaking in his hometown of north charleston and spreading a message he plans to spread early and often, already buying ads in early states. of course, none of that answers the big question, whether he beal the candidate willing to battle donald trump head on. >> -- and our nation are standing at a time for choosing. victim hood or victory? >> victory. >> grievance or greatness? >> greatness. >> i choose freedom and hope and opportunity. will you choose it with me? >> nbc's ali vitali is in north charleston, sahil kapur on capitol hill, and michael steele former rnc chair and political
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analyst. michael, you've said it over and over and over again, the only way to beat trump is to take him on. any evidence that tim scott is the guy to do it? >> nope. >> in a word. >> unless ali can share something from inside the room that i didn't see on tv watching this thing, no, i'm sorry. i get the hope and change. it feels so good. if this were 1984, yeah, i could get into it. our politics inside the party let alone the country have changed dramatically. >> does that include, michael, going after your opponents on the day you announce? >> yes, yes. >> okay. >> yes. stop it, yes. i'm talking to you as a former national chairman. yes. when you're up against someone as all-encompassing and sucks so much energy out of the life of the party, how do you
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reinvigorate that? you don't sit back and feel good when you're standing over a body and need to apply a defibrillator talking about how you feel about that moment. you've got to get into ak a shun. you've got to make the decision whether or not you're going to try to resuscitate the party. that's my view. i may be an outlier here. i'm just saying, i watched that town hall on cnn. put him and five other people on that stage. if you don't go after him, what do you think happens? you've got to lay the predicate. you've got to also -- and this is important for everyone who is coming to this race. you have to clarify for us your silence when donald trump is behaving so badly, from january 6th on back. you've got to clarify that because now you want to take him on, why didn't you take him on as a senator. why don't you take him on as a governor? that's going to be the narrative
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these candidates are going to have to confront and donald trump knows it. they won't challenge him. >> ali, what are you hearing from inside the scott campaign? michael steele may be the most passionate, but he isn't alone in that belief. what's the strategy? how are they going to take on donald trump? >> reporter: i'm also of the mindset that michael has put out here, which is that it's hard to go against trump without actually going at trump. we've all covered trump for a long time now. we know what that looks like. for the tim scott team, according to the officials i've talked to, that's not their plan. they think the differentiation comes for scott not on message or policy necessarily, but instead on messenger. they want scott to be able to put forward this aspirational type of republican conservatism even if it's out of step with the kind of conversation that the party is having to have right now. from where i was standing here on the riser, this is what the
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tim scott message was today. watch. >> this is the freest, fairest land where you can go as high as your character and your grit and your talent will take you. i bear witness to that. i testify to that. that's why i'm the candidate the far left fears the most. i disrupt their narrative. i threaten their control. the truth of my life disrupts their lives. >> reporter: again, chris, the whole point of the speech today was to offer a pulled up by the boot straps kind of story from tim scott which is the kind of story i've seen him offering up across the country. it's striking to watch the way he does provide an alternative. i know it doesn't convince
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people like michael that he's doing enough. certainly it will be fascinating to watch these candidates how they deal with trump and how they get on the stage and either offer silence or go after him as a matter of contrast. seeing how they do with that is going to be important. if i watch what i do in my other day job on the hill, scott is beloved by his party there. john thune was leading off this event. he sees this as an opportunity for a different kind of republican to be out there, a different kind of an option for voters at least to entertain. we look at the polls, and it's clear that the majority of the party does not want to move on from trump. this does give them another option if they choose to do so. i think in part it's why the trump team is so happy to see people getting in this race because they feel the bigger it gets, the better it is for him. >> let me go back, sahill, to
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the idea that despite being in congress, ron desantis has gotten zero endorsements from members of the u.s. senate. not so, right, with rick scott. >> reporter: that's right. i think you meant tim scott here. >> sorry. tim scott. >> reporter: tim scott has great relationships with lawmakers on capitol hill in a way that ron desantis did not and never did, including here serve as a house member of the far right freedom caucus. there is that philosophical element as well that ali was pointing to, tim scott represents the type of party, the party of business, party of optimism, not a party defined by culture wars. mike brown calling him intelligent, unifier, someone who can win independents. republicans have a disagreement on january 6th and his election lies. senator john thune, the second ranked republican, a member of
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leadership and close deputy of senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. all these republicans are skeptical of trump and want to stop him can read a poll and say that ron desantis is their best option to do that. they're not sold on ron desantis' brand of politics. they don't want a standard-bearer waging battles with the business community and worry about electability fears not just with trump but someone like ron desantis. that's where tim scott is, part of his strength on capitol hill. senate endorsements do not win you a nomination. you can ask senator more co-rubio about that. he cleaned up with endorsements and didn't clean up the nomination. >> i guess the question is whether or not he can provide any kind of alternative, michael. we know how you feel about taking on trump. let me play for you something interesting i thought that cory booker, of course, a democratic had to say about this.
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>> go through a lot of republicans that i've formed legitimately good friendships here, and that's the way you get things done. it's not by vilifying or demonizing people you disagree with, but finding cords of common humanity. tim is a guy with a lot of shaved liech experiences. >> what should people know about him? you know him on a personal level. >> i think as i look at this republican field, he may be one of those people that is underestimated. >> okay. michael, a lot of people have been underestimated. donald trump, jimmy carter, bill clinton, barack obama. len they got into the race, there wasn't a hugh and cry that said, oh, they're the prohibitive favorite in this. so is there an opening?
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>> okay. i'll play. yeah, a little bit. there's a little bit. >> how little is it? >> very little. i'm trying to be very honest and analytical about this. knowing tim -- tim was one of the guys that got elected in 2010 to congress along with nikki haley for governor. i know these folks very well and personally. i like them both very, very much. you just laid up a very interesting parallel which isn't parallel at all. clinton and obama and all the others are in a different time. trump changed the nature of american politics. he was underestimated at 2%, 3% when he came in. but look what he did. ask yourself, can that be undone by a nikki haley or tim scott? can you reverse the pull and
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attraction towards in-your-face republicanism. this isn't about a morning in america conversation. the base is looking for someone who will break things and tear things up. i'm wondering how they juks pose their morning in america message against a base that is like, okay, when the sun comes up, we're taking on everybody. what do you do with that? that's why i say in order to deal with this in the first instance, you've got to go with it. you can't wish it away or create a positive narrative and think that's going to be enough. just my view. >> wasn't the line "i believe in a place called hope." that was a long time ago. michael steele will be back with
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me. ten days until the default deadline and hours between a key meeting between the president and the house speaker. how both sides are preparing. we've got it in just 60 seconds. . ♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪
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. this is going to be big. today, 5:30. washington, d.c., a critical oval office meeting between president biden and speaker mccarthy with just ten days until a catastrophic default. this will mark the first one-on-one meeting between the two men in months after a weekend that saw just 2 1/2 hours of negotiations among staff. the underlying issue here is the democrats since they took the majority has been addicted to spending and that's going to stop. we're going to spend less than we spent last year. >> i've done my part. we put forward a proposal that cut spending by more than a trillion dollars. now it's time for the other side
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to move from their extreme positions because much of what they've already proposed is simply, quite frankly, unacceptable. >> after what was described as a productive phone call last night, negotiators from the white house met at the speaker's office this morning. treasury secretary janet yellen is continuing her very publish warnings that the clock is ticking with the two sides tens of billions of dollars apart. nbc's monica alba is at the white house. jake sherman, co-founder of punchbowl news and msnbc political contributor joining us. monica, this is the first time they've melt one-on-one since february 1st. where do things stand? >> reporter: there's plenty to discuss. we know the president is heading into this optimistic that something can get done. as we saw the last couple days, even while he was abroad, they're inching towards an agreement at a time when really the urgency suggests they need to be moving a lot quicker than
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they currently are right now. the fact that the president and the speaker will be together in the oval office face-to-face i'm told by a white house official speaks to the urgency of the situation and the seriousness of where talks are now which means they're headed in a place where they think coming out of this there can be broad agreement on areas of cooperation, but not necessarily any kind of handshake agreement. there isn't an expectation they'll come out saying, okay, we resolved everything. there's still going to be things to iron out. that's why you had the white house negotiators on capitol hill earlier today for a couple hours. i'm told they're headed back to the white house to brief the president on the latest before he heads to that meeting. afterwards this is a white house that says they still believe rational compromise is possible. they're being very clear on certain things that the president has identified as priorities that they don't want to budge on. it's two sides that continue to be entrenched. they say they don't want -- both
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agree they don't want to default. the president says there are areas here he's been just as firm on and continues to be while wanting to avoid the catastrophic trigger that would neen the u.s. defaulting on its debts for the first time in history. they're heading into this meeting feeling like they know what they need to get out of it. again, by the end of tonight, it's not like we'll have something cleanly done and dusted. but it does seem to take on a new direction that they hope to take back to the negotiators and that will continue. as jake knows very well, it's just a couple of legislative days to do it. >> jake, where are the places within each party where there are the key pressure points? obviously the two key players will be in that meeting today. who are the other folks who will influence whether this gets done? >> mccarthy has deputized garrett graves, louisiana republican, close ally of his and patrick mchenry, the house financial services chair who
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bowed out of leadership. he could have run for leadership and decided not to precisebly because he didn't want to be involved in things like this. monica laid it out nicely. i'll add one more specific point here which is this is all about spending. everything else will fall into place. the reclamation of covid money, permitting reform should fall into place. this is all about spending levels for the next x years, whether two years, six years, ten years, all those things have been discussed. i want to also emphasize one other thing monica said, we are in an incredible, incredible time crunch in that mccarthy has told the white house and told people on capitol hill he will not wave the republicans' 72-hour rule meaning once legislative text is out, lawmakers have 72 hours to read it before it hits the floor. i agree with monica. i don't think there will be a deal today. they have to translate a deal to
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legislative language, get it scored by the congressional budget office and then socialize it for 72 hours. we're already butting up and getting into the memorial day weekend. it takes the senate a week to pass anything. so we are going to be -- i want to make this abundantly clear, even if everything falls into place here, we're going to be right up against that june 1st deadline. it's just the way the cookie crumbles. it's where they are in the talks in the time that's left. it's going to be very close and tight. we do expect, chris, another update from the treasury secretary this week on just when they believe the government will reach that borrowing limit, but incredibly tight timeline right now. >> you make a really good point. even if we say june 1st, it's before that, because of the 72 hours. in punchbowl you write president biden and his top aides have vastly more experience in these kind of high-stakes talks than
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mccarthy and his lieutenant. does that matter? >> reporter: yes, it does. this is mccarthy's first negotiation of this variety. certainly garrett graves, smart guy trusted by mccarthy, is not even on committees of jurisdiction. mchenry has a little more experience. but mccarthy's team feels like everything one else is underestimating him. he feels he's overperformed what people expect of him. it does matter that biden has more experience. put this all together, it's a very grim situation. what you're seeing right now is a conversation we had with the speaker this morning. he sounded very downbeat on the prospects of a deal or where they are in getting a deal. i was surprised by his -- i don't want to say pessimism, but
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relative pessimism this close to the deadline. >> jake sherman and monica alba, thank you so much. after more than two decades in office, 76-year-old tom carper of delaware announced he will not seek re-election. it sets off a crowded primary in the heavily democratic state during the crowded presidential cycle. this, of course, is president biden's home state, delaware. how is the primary likely shaping up? >> reporter: chris, you're right the battleground for this state will likely be the primary because a republican hasn't won statewide in more than a decade in delaware. this will likely be democrats' odds-on to lose. carper said today during his remarks, he reachedout and was encouraging her to run. we also learned in the last hour
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or so that blunt rochester has had a conversation with senate majority leader. it appears they're lining up behind her. senator carper's long career in democratic politics, the patriarch of that state, even including joe biden. i don't know the exact number, but i think he's won statewide there 14 different times. he's someone who has been an institution in the halls of congress and certainly in the state of delaware. the fact he's deciding to hang it up demonstrates just a big part of his career. we should also point out that carper is joining a growing list of democratic politicians deciding to retire. diane feinstein on that list, also debbie stabenow has said she's not going to run.
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we're seeing a shift in the united states senate. >> ryan nobles, thank you. the long-awaited return to court for the man accused of murdering four idaho college students. the new reporting about bryan kohberger and another break-in in a student's home months before that crime. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point. get real about your risks and do something about it. talk to your health care provider about ways to lower your risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. learn more at getrealaboutdiabetes.com oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you
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the man accused of killing four university of idaho students pleaded not guilty to four counts of first degree murder and one count of burglary. there's also new information about the possible weapon. the source tells nbc's "dateline" where coal berger allegedly inskauld a camera in a woman's apartment after breaking in. msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. >> reporter: today's arraignment hearing lasted some 15 minutes. during the proceedings the judge asked him if he had a copy of the indictment, asked bryan kohberger if he understood the charges against him. he responded by saying yes. when he was asked to enter a
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plea, however, he stood silent. his attorney said they would be standing silent, and a judge then entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. let's watch that moment in court. >> ms. taylor, is mr. kohberger prepared to plea to the charges? >> we will be standing silent. >> because mr. kohberger is standing silent, i'm going to enter not guilty pleas on each charge, counts one, two, three, four and five. at this juncture, the state has 60 days to give notice of intention to seek the death penalty. mr. kohberger has a constitutional and statutory right to a speedy trial. >> reporter: speaking to idaho legal experts prior to today's hearing. they said standing silent would be unusual.
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there's very little they could see in the way of an advantage for bryan kohberger in not entering a plea and having the judge enter a not guilty plea on his behalf. meanwhile, we understand from an nbc producer inside the lata county courthouse behind me, that bryan kohberger is back in court for a second hearing where the judge is considering whether or not to keep a gag order put in place by a previous judge that restricts what law enforcement and attorneys and those associated with the case can say about the case going forward. >> reporter: erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. 15 minutes, sometimes less than that. two entering things happened. standing silent. there's also the issue of speedy trial. talk about that. >> standing silent, not really a surprise there. when you think about it, you want to minimize in a high-profile case, the number of
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words your client says. is it a tiny victory? maybe. the default position is a not guilty plea if you stand silent or say nothing. the judge will enter a not guilty plea. the other significant moment, and you're absolutely right. he is not waving speedy trial rights. the state has six months to bring him to trial. he's making a statement here saying hey, state, put up or shut up. you better be ready. this is exactly the case. if it's a case where you feel like the state has all their evidence in, they know what they're doing, they're ready to go -- you see that a lot in federal cases where they've been investigating someone for months and years and they're ready to go tomorrow. no point in holding them to a speedy trial. the defense needs time to prepare. this is a different situation. by all accounts it appears the state is still developing their evidence. they've had issues with dna, some of the other evidence. they're still looking up how
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many k bars are sold. >> one of the things that "dateline" reported, they talked to a source close to theization and said he went on amazon several months before the murders and bought a knife and a sheath. it doesn't look good but it's also not necessarily a smoking gun. >> you pointed out the most important next question after finding that receipt which is how many of these knives are sold? i personally don't know. i don't own one. but you may find there are millions sold every year. that piece of evidence becomes less significant. what you're bringing up is also important in that. there are all these pieces of evidence that the state is finding on an ongoing basis. that signals to the defense they're not ready to go tomorrow if they had to be. this is a case where you don't want to wave your speedy trial rights. you want to hold the government to the six-month window so they
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to voters, "make america florida." that comes as the naacp issued a travel adviory for the state of the governor's aggressive
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attempts to erase black history. the notice reads florida is openly hostile toward african americans, people of color and lgbtq+ individuals. before traveling to florida, please understand the state of florida devalues and marginalizes the contributions of and the challenges faced by african americans and other communities of color. i want to bring in nbc news senior political reporter matt dixon from tallahassee, florida, and also back with us is michael steele. if desantis' goal is to make america like florida, how much of america wants to be florida? >> probably not much. i was reading an article about a man pulling out a semi-automatic weapon on a man at an atm because he was moving too slowly. i don't think people want that. ron desantis' plays to the
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culture wars, not only owning them but augmenting them is going to translate in a national bid. i don't see the evidence for that. i don't see americans wanting to embrace a six-week ban an abortion, the anti-business attitude that clearly is driving a lot of the noise right now with disney, et cetera. i just don't see that. i may be wrong. >> let me go over a list of some of the things he proudly said he got through in this legislative session. the abortion ban you mentioned, a ban on gender-affirming care for youth, blocking african american study programs, restricting drag shows, also concealed carry without a permit since you mentioned what happened at an atm. does this then, if it doesn't give him a record to run on, which it sounds like you don't think it does, give other
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republicans an opening because he's consistently been the number two to donald trump. >> he has a record to run on. i'm not saying he doesn't have a record to run on. the question is that a record americans want? is that a record americans want applied across the country? my answer to that is no. no doubting his record. i think that record, to your next question, does open up a lane for others to contrast themselves, particularly if they're former governors like a nikki haley to how they handle things like race in their states, educational issues around charter schools and things like that that didn't result in banning books and blaming crt for everything including, you know, a bad day at the office. so he has that record. the record isn't something donald trump is going to be concerned about. the record is something his
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opponents may be concerned about and use against him to move into that second position against trump. >> matt, what impact do you think this could realistically have on the state of florida? you have the naacp ban, but there had been advisories from the league of latin american citizens. michael mentioned the whole brouhaha with disney. what does this mean when you put it together for the state you're in? >> depends how you want to frame that. from the sense of tourism which is what some of these warnings are trying to impact. florida had 28 million tourists in the first quarter of 2023, like a 40% increase from the year before. so that's happened during the desantis culture war push. culture wars from a tourism standpoint doesn't seem to be impacting things lear. but, of course, there's a political element and all this is timed to some degree with
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governor desantis rolling out his presidential campaign later this week. the mayor of tampa and mayor of st. petersburg most recently have gone on twitter to emphasize their cities are inclusive and welcome folks of all religion, sexual orientation, race. i'm not sure from a tourism standpoint this will have the desired effect. i think politically it's going to continue to amplify the perception from democrats that desantis has passed legislation and focused on already marginalized communities. >> michael, to that point, does this open an opportunity for democrats? we know already part of the strategy for team biden is they're looking at florida again. are there opportunities there that republicans might not have had -- i'm sorry. that democrats might not have had? >> i think that's a very good question. it will be interesting to see how tactfully and actually
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strategically the biden team and national democrats can actually use ron desantis and the state of florida, the agenda we were talking about, as a foil not just against desantis, but trump and other republicans as well. asking tim scott in the race, where are you on a six-week ban? where are you on disney, et cetera? so there are some real interesting plays that are set up here. now the question politically is who has the gravitas to actually make it work for them? >> michael steele and matt dixon, thank you both so much. coming up, abortion battlegrounds. the fight that has convinced dozens of small towns and counties to pass local abortion bans. plus the deadly stampede at a soccer match. the terrifying video plus what set off that frenzy next. you're watching "chris jansing
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. there's a new battleground for abortion rights. small rural communities where anti-abortion activists have already convinced 65 local governments and two counties to pass abortion bans right now the 4,500 town of west wentover, nevada is weighing a ban after local officials
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disagreed on a new planned parenthood building. the options for local women are already limited. that city is characterized as medically underserved and the average income there is less than $50,000 a year. traveling and taking time off from work is challenging. nbc legal analyst danny cevallos is back with us. the strategy, danny, as nbc reports on it is to create what they call sanctuary cities for the unborn. invoking a 150-year-old federal law that restricts the mailing of to pushing these bans. what are the options there for people who want to allow a clinic to open? >> cities that pass ordinances or other kinds of rules have to do so at least in a way that doesn't conflict with both state law and federal law because if they do, then those laws, those ordinances would be invalidated
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almost from inception. but in this case, the municipalities appear to be relying on an 1870s era federal law called the comstock act which was an anti-vice law, which they say can be used to prohibit the mailing of abortion bills. now, the biden administration says that's not what the comstock says at all. it does not prohibit the mailing of abortion bills. no court has weighed in on it. the mere fact that the biden administration is saying this is our interpretation of this federal law is interesting. it certainly is relevant, but it's not compelling. it is not the authority. only the court interpreting this and this municipality's ordinance is going to be the final say here. for now, there's really nothing stopping these towns and townships from passing these rules, these ordinances and just rolling the dice and taking the chance with the court. from that time they pass it until a court weighs in, then it
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is effectively the law unless there is a restraining order or some kind of injunctive relief. >> where does it start and where does it end? could it potentially end in the supreme court? >> yes, that seems to be a likely ending point for this. it's got all of the ingredients. it's got something totally untested and at the same time, it involves a state's use or a subdivision, a city's use of a federal law. so this will probably land in federal court right away, and since there's virtually no precedent i'm aware of on the matter, it's going to go relatively quickly, i would imagine to the supreme court. this is a very interesting kind of issue that the supreme court will look for. in fact, there's not even what you would call a circuit split. no one seems to have ruled on whether or not comstock can be used in this way by cities, townships, municipalities to prohibit abortion and become a sanctuary for life city. >> such an interesting story, and folks who want to read about
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the former marine accused of killing a man by checking him on the subway is speaking for the first time defending his actions. emilie ikeda has more. >> reporter: nearly three weeks since the subway encounter, the man seen holding jordan neely is breaking his silence, saying he would take action again under a similar circumstance. i would, if there was a threat and danger in the present. in his interview, the 24-year-old marine veteran and college student said third-degree nothing to do with race, adding, i judge a person based on their character, i'm not a white supremacist. penny who was accused of second-degree manslaughter wouldn't go into detail about what led to the confrontation but indicated it wasn't like anything i had experienced before. his lawyers say penny acted in self-defense after neely who was homeless and long suffered from mental illness, aggressively threatened him and others on
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board. penny wasn't initially arrested, quickly spawning protests that spilled on to subway tracks and dividing political leaders nationwide over crimes, so called vigilanteism and the response to record levels of homelessness. on friday, hundreds gathered to remember the 30-year-old street performer. >> we keep criminalizing people with mental illness. they don't need abuse. they need help. >> reporter: when asked what penny would say to neely's family he said, i'm deeply saddened by the loss of life. it's tragic what happened to him. hopefully we can change the system that desperately failed us. penny faces 15 years in jail if convicted of manslaughter. a charge lawyers for neely's family says doesn't go far enough. the family attorney reacting to the interview, calling it an
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advertisement to soften the public's view of penny. they want to know why he didn't let go of the choke hold sooner. back to you. >> emilie ikeda thank you. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, mixed signals, russia declaring a triumphant victory over the weekend in one of the longest and bloodiest clashes and invasion so far. but ukraine says the battle for bakhmut is far from over. we'll have a live report from ukraine. and a plea has just been entered for the suspect accused in the gruesome killings of four university of idaho students where that case goes from here next. plus, europe's concerns, why officials there are quietly racing to get as much done as possible ahead of the 2024 election. and 226 hours, that's what stands between our country and

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