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default on january 1st, if a deal is not reached on the debt ceiling. the pressure weighing on president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy ahead of their next meeting which is now just hours away. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. i want to go to first nbc's garrett haake on capitol hill ahead of the critical meeting between biden and mccarthy. we just heard from mccarthy moments ago. what did he have to say? >> reporter: this comes after negotiators from the white house had been meeting for three hours this morning. mccarthy took some questions from reporters about the outlines of these negotiations and i asked him specifically what he would need to see to feel like there was real progress today in his meeting with the president. here's what he told me. >> decisions have to start being made. it's been days now. the president has to be serious. i have been very clear from the very beginning, we are in this

problem because when the democrats took the overall majority, just a few years ago, they spent $6 trillion. that brought us inflation, that brought us banks closing. but it's been too much. it's a real challenge of where we're going. so we have to spend less next year. >> reporter: so here's the problem, chris, mccarthy's red line has been this. we have to spend less next year than we spent this year. he wants an overall defense cut. when you look at the federal budget, he's already taken off the table social security and medicare, really from the start of this debate, in the same conversation that we just played there. he made it clear that he would not allow for cuts to defense spending. the other next biggest bucket of money available to the federal government. when you start taking these big things off the table but still say the real number has to go down, not just be flat in spending, it gets harder and harder to see where the cuts come from in a way that democrats could possibly support, and both sides said the deal needs to be bipartisan if it's going to get through both

chambers. that's the jam mccarthy has found himself in, headed to the white house later today, and we'll see if these two men can breakthrough it or if we'll move the clock you laid out a little bit closer to default. >> garrett haake, thank you for that. while the high stakes debt talks play out in washington, cnbc has new reporting about how european officials are nervous about the possibility that president biden could lose the 2024 election. cnbc seniopondent sylvia omaro is reporting from london. what are your sources telling you? >> they want to get together with united states over the coming months. the reason behind is that there's a slight concern in brussels that president joe biden will not be reelected in 2024, and it is important to keep two elements in mind, really. first and foremost, the europeans were very frustrated with the trump administration. they had issues over trade, over technology, and ultimately the

style of politics of president donald trump was not well received in brussels. so when joe biden was elected, there was a sense of relief in the eu. the second element that we need to keep in mind is that several officials have told me whether they're working in finance, in foreign policy, they have never experienced such a good level of cooperation with the united states as they are right now. if you put these two elements together, it is easy to understand how the eu is trying to achieve as much as possible with the u.s. in the near future. now, if you ask me what policy areas they're likely to focus on in the coming months, further support for ukraine, this is pivotal for the europeans, fixing differences over the u.s. inflation reduction act, and last but not least, derisking from china. so you can tell there's plenty of work ahead for both sides of the atlantic. >> sylvia amaro, thank you so much for that. and now to the latest out of

moscow, idaho, where the man accused of killing four university of idaho students just appeared in court. the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. nbc senior legal correspondent laura jarrett joins me now. what comes next now, laura? >> this is really the first time we had seen kohberger for months, really since january, and with a case that is closely watched as this, obviously his every move, everything he says is being closely analyzed. listen to a little bit of his interaction with the judge just a short time ago, chris. >> do you understand the charge in count 1? >> yes. >> do you understand the maximum penalty? >> yes. >> do you understand the charge in count 2, murder in the first-degree. >> yes. >> do you understand the maximum penalty? >> yes. >> now, one of the more interesting moments there, chris, is when he was asked how does he plead, his lawyer got up and decided to say silent. that's an interesting move there

because obviously the judge then entered a plea of not guilty on his behalf. you might wonder why would you do that, what's the strategic advantage? i think it's really a strategic call for criminal defense attorneys who might down the line want to make a change of plea, not saying that he will do that in this case, it's anybody's guess at this moment. but it's interesting to watch there. he's essentially buying himself a little bit more time, chris, and now the trial date is set for october. >> laura jarrett, thank you for that, and now to the potential breakthrough in bakhmut. the fiercely contested city in eastern ukraine that russia claimed to have captured over the weekend. nbc's molly hunter is reporting from kharkiv for us. we have talked about bakhmut, it's not strategically important but symbolically it's very important. russia says we've got it, ukraine is disputing that. what do we know? >> yeah, chris, and i think the devil will be in the details, and of course details in the fog of war are very hard to come by. what we know is over the

weekend, as you mentioned, not only did putin congratulate troops in russia state media, claim victory. one of their anchors declaring mission accomplished, but on saturday, the wagner mercenary chief, have been on the front lines leading the fight for russia in bakhmut also said they had full control of the city center. ukrainian officials aren't disputing that exact claim. they aren't saying ukraine has full control of the city center. what they're reframing it as of today, on monday, it's a battle for the outskirts that they are trying to encircle the city, going up the flanks and still fighting and pushing. what they are not saying is they have any strategic or strong footholds inside the city. that's been a grueling nine month long battle. block by block, lots of high-rises, you can see the city is obliterated. what we're watching for in the next 72 hours.

yevgeny prigozhin, russia sends regular troops to reinforce that line, will russia hold that line, will ukraine forces see that as an opportunity and push back into the city. they have been using bakhmut as a way to tie up russian forces while they rearm and organize elsewhere. maybe that is the plan. we know president zelenskyy is returning to this country, his home country after a very triumphant weekend in japan. we will be watching this very very closely, chris, but as you said, not of strategic importance, but incredibly symbolic and a russian propaganda win in their country. as we anticipate the language awaited counter offensive, we'll dive into the race to recruit enforcements for ukraine's army. that in 60 seconds. ukraine's army that in 60 seconds with its customizable options chain,

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in ukraine, there is a major dispute over whether the grueling battle for bakhmut is over. if russia does claim the city, they say they have control, it has come at a tremendous cost. at least 20,000 russian soldiers died there, according to u.s. intelligence. we don't know how many ukrainians have been killed, neither kyiv nor the u.s. releases those estimates, but ukraine has a much smaller army, making every lost soldier that much more costly, and now both sides are racing to turn raw recruits into elite fighters who can replace fallen veterans, a race that could determine the outcome of the war. joining us now, "wall street journal" reporter ian lovitt, and igor novakof, thank you for joining us. your reporting is fascinating to train thousands of conscripts for this long awaited counter

offensive. they included an actor, a lawyer, and you write, only 20% of them had military experience before the full-scale invasion began. how much training are they getting, and how much of a disadvantage is that to have to essentially just sort of train and run? >> so first off, thanks for having me. you know, some of these guys have been training for more than a year now. a number of them who i met, who did all sorts of civilian jobs before the war began joined up right on february 24th, or even a couple of days beforehand. those guys have been getting trained for now 15 months, and i think feel a lot more comfortable than some of the newer recruits. obviously it's not ideal, and ukraine has suffered substantial losses. the leaked u.s. documents from february, the estimate was at least 15,000 killed, which was half to three times the estimate for -- or half to a third the

estimate for russian soldiers and so obviously it's not ideal, but both sides are facing the same issue. >> in that way, i guess there's some level of parity, but what does it mean for action on the battlefield, ian? >> for a lot of men, they have not actually been in battle before, so a number of people i talked to, one that ukraine was doing with them was they were sending them in for short stints to bakhmut, partly to shore up defensive lines. there was a time in late february, early march where there was a question of soldiers inside bakhmut being surrounded. so at that point, about 60 men from the battalion got sent in to push the russians back to the road ukraine was using to supply the city, and they were able to do that. the soldiers i spoke to said it was a big morale boost for troops who had been there for a long time, to get people who were fresh, better weaponry. these guys i met are being

supplied with american rifles, and better stuff than some o. regular armed forces are getting. also it gave the men themselves some battle experience for the first time, and so one example of how that changes people is i spoke to a platoon commander, and he showed me a video with one of his soldiers in bakhmut, and he was looking over the men's shoulder, and the men hesitated and said what if it's one of our guys, and eventually he shot himself. one of the challenges is teaching people that your job is to shoot, to kill, and having battlefield experience helps with that. that is one other way the time ukraine spent defending bakhmut has been potentially helpful. >> igor, these new troops are expected to be on the cutting edge of this counter offensive, what needs to that happen to make this a success for ukraine? >> well, to me it's all about -- >> sorry. igor. >> yeah, it's all about the

morale, first and foremost, so russia's not exactly relying on professional troops at the moment, and as things progress, we're going to see the deterioration of quality. so the morale will be the deciding factor here. i can tell you, i have seen a story like that before a year ago, this company i used to advise, black shield capital, the ceo left his job and organized a volunteer battalion of 500 men, and they defended kyiv, and they're coming up against professional troops, and what we're going to be seeing more and more from russia, freshly mobilized men or conscripts or from wagner. i think it's all about the morale, and the morale is high for ukraine. >> let me talk about what happened the last couple of days. on the one hand, you have russia claiming that they have taken control of bakhmut. on the other hand, you have president zelenskyy returning

from what by all accounts was a very successful trip through europe. talk about how those two things influence where this war is going, where it is right now? >> well, as far as bakhmut is concerned, it's begun -- it's become basically the center stage for a propaganda war. there's a big difference, for example, for taking a city and holding it. at the moment, the situation on the outskirts is critical, but the city hasn't fallen and there's a lot of activity on the flanks. potentially there could be a scenario where russia takes the city limits and then basically gets surrounded after that. so bakhmut is a propaganda war, first and foremost. with president zelenskyy, i mean, ukraine was waiting for the decision of those f-16s, and we got it. that was, like, for us, the major kind of morale boost. we know we're in for the win.

whatever that win looks like, but people are definitely excited about what they witnessed in japan. >> and before i let you go, ian, i want to ask you about your colleague, evan gershdovich. >> it's now been almost two months since evan was taken. we are able to communicate with him through letters. some of my colleagues have been getting letters from prison. they have to be written in mak like he did in person, and working on stories with him, you know, i did a lot of stories with him where he would be on the russian side, and i would be on the ukrainian side, and almost every day there's something that i think to text him, and then i realize that i can't, and it's, you know, it's

tough, and so i hope that all the viewers at home cannot forget about him while he's over there and do whatever they can to help bring him home. >> there's an easy place to click on on the "wall street journal" if you go to wsj.com and get the latest reporting on that. ian lovett, thank you so much, and igor, thank you so much. brittney griner had a triumphant return in her first home game on sunday. giving the phoenix mercury player a standing ovation after she was introduced after spending ten months in russian custody. the u.s. special envoy for hostage affairs, who escorted griner back to the u.s. said this after seeing her on the court for the first time. >> and then once you start to smell that scent and get on the trail, you have to pursue it to its logical conclusion, which is watching bg on the basketball court today, and it was just,

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into yet another deadly mass shooting in america, this time at a nightclub in kansas city, missouri. police say they found multiple victims when they arrived at the club in the early hours of sunday morning and at least three people were killed. two victims were pronounced dead at the scene. another a short time after reaching the hospital. police did not say whether anyone was arrested in connection with the shooting or offer a motive. and we're watching detroit where michigan's governor, gretchen whitmer is signing the new red flag gun law. the law this will go into effect next spring allows family and friends to petition a judge to keep firearms away from people who they believe could be a threat to themselves or others. michigan follows minnesota as the second state to implement a red flag law in under a week,

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>> victims' families will participate in a private event tomorrow followed by a public vigil and butterfly release to honor those who died. in el salvador, meantime, at least 12 people are dead and more than 100 others injured. victims of a stampede of people trying to get into a soccer stadium during a match this weekend. fans saw the crush of the crowd and started frantically waving for attention. and took injured people down to the field for help. nbc's george solis is following this for us. george, tell us more about what happened there. >> reporter: yeah, good afternoon, chris. right now it's part of this ongoing investigation there in el salvador. part of the investigation centering on ticket sales. there are claims some of these were false tickets. there was also an overselling of tickets potentially being sold on the black market. right now, officials from the government are looking into there's claims. there's also some reporting about some of the restricted

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just this morning, new york governor kathy hochul and eric adams called on the federal government to provide expedited work authorization for the thousands of asylum seekers being bussed to the city from the southern border. am adams said several hundred arrive every day, and take up half of the hotel rooms, and one of the greatest humanitarian crises the city has seen in a long time. nonprofit organizations are stepping up to help the thousands of migrants get food, education and legal aid. >> every morning we're greeting the new arrivals to new york city who have been on buses up from texas. i stack up the cart with what i think we'll need for the morning based on how many buses are arriving. we bring nutritious food,

essential supplies for folks so they can get their lives started in new york off on a good foot. my name is andrew heinrich and i'm the founder and executive director of project rousseau. when i think of the things that people need right when they get off the bus in port authority, of course they need food and water, medical attention, access to immigration legal services, but also, and perhaps most importantly, they need dignity. have someone who just sees you as an equal for a few minutes and sits and chats with you one on one is really really important. >> you have what i think is a strong case for asylum. in our office today, we are providing some screenings for folks who are at the early stages of the immigration legal services process. i ask a variety of questions related to why they left their home country, why they fear returning to their country, to understand whether they might have a strong claim to asylum or

another form of immigration relief. >> we have a family that's just reunited in the last 48 hours, one branch of the family came here in the fall, the mother's sister stayed behind because she has a disabled child. eventually, unfortunately, the persecution and the risk of what was coming got so great that she had to take the risk. and so she crossed, she arrived in the united states last week. so we facilitated travel by plane to new york. and the family had an extraordinary reunion of both branches of the family at laguardia airport. when this new wave of arrivals started, we said, this is something we have to get involved with. so immigration legal services is actually just one part. we also have an academics pillar. today we have s.a.t. prep for some of our students with the highest potential scores. this is a great weekly program because it's really my opportunity to engage with a small group of our students, so it's really a lot of fun.

and then we'll know the perimeter because we'll know the sides. i'm ending my day where it started at the port authority. i locked up the office, and i'll be receiving the evening buses and helping those families and young people get acclimated in new york and signed up for the services that they want and deserve. i think about my family coming to america, seeking a new life after the holocaust. i think about so many people from so many parts of the world who have come to call america home, it's a privilege to be part of their lives and think about the bravery that they have and the extraordinary resilience that they bring to everything that they do. >> project rousseau executive director andrew heinrich, thank you for coming in. can i ask you a personal question, how many hours a week do you work? >> thank you for having me, it's a pleasure to be here. a lot would be the right answer. i work 14 hour plus a day for sure. >> every time i see you on the video, you are smiling. these are difficult times. you have been working with migrant families for 11 years

now. how is this situation different? >> i think the volume is what makes it different, and the pace at which they're arriving makes it different, and also the volume of different needs that are all needed at the same time. you know, like i said, in the segment, it's not just immigration legal services, it's not just education for their children, but housing, a long unaddressed medical need, and especially those who are getting bussed from the border right after their arrive to the united states, they're often severely dehydrated and have a host of other health and mental health issues from their crossing the border and their journey from their home country that need to be addressed as they arrive as well. >> we heard from the governor and the mayor saying we also need jobs. how important is that in the process? >> well, immigration legal services come first. that's how you get, you know, put yourself on a path to have the right to work, and that's why we're focusing so hard on that and you're absolutely right. that once they get on that path to receiving asylum for those

who have a credible and compelling claim, seeking work authorization is one of the first questions we get. there's a five-month clock between when you submit your application for asylum and when you can apply for work authorization. i know plenty of families we filed for and for whom i serve as their immigration attorney are counting down the days to that window. >> new york city is, and i think maybe the most welcoming city historically, right, give me your tired, your poor, in the united states, it is like other major cities there, seeing an influx of many of these migrants, generally liberal cities, right? and yet there are people who say we don't have the resources, we don't have the money. we don't have the tax dollars to handle what's happening right now. what would you say to them? >> i would say that the most important thing that all of us can do is do whatever we can to help those in need. project rousseau is doing what it can, i'm doing what i can,

and that someone helped my family when they came here after the holocaust. someone probably helped your family too if you're listening. so doing whatever we can to help our neighbors, whomever they may be, migrants or otherwise is the core of what makes us all american. >> you seem to be optimistic at your core, but knowing what you know and seeing the numbers and seeing the need, are you optimistic that the help is going to be coming for not just your organization but all of the folks who are coming in and who are all across the united states right now looking for a better life the way your family did, the way my family did? >> i think, you know, what i can worry about as project rousseau's executive director is how we service young people as best we can and their families, and we still have capacity. we actually have some openings for asylum representation at this moment, and we are screening people actively every day. i screen people, my colleagues screen people, some amazing pro bono lawyers screen people. we'll be here to help no matter

who gets here. we're excited for the future of young people who are seeking a better life whose families are seeking persecution. >> what do they say when they get here? >> a whole variety of things, many cry. many say they are safe for the first time in years. i was really struck by a conversation i had with one people that said the first reason i fled was because i know that my children would be killed because of my political beliefs, and i wanted to secure their safety. the second reason that i fled was because i know that my children deserve a better future, and seeking out a better future free of political persecution or whatever persecution they might be facing that entitles them to asylum is something that i think is again, core to what america has stood for. it's how my family came here wanting a better life for their children at the point, and free from the persecution of the nazis, and it's the same exact thing with these families. >> andrew heinrich, thank you so

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for the nomination or a race for second place. with senator tim scott having formally launched his campaign today, nbc news reports quote, the sudden burst of activity reflects several realities for the early stages of the gop contest. the idea of renominating trump who according to polls is far and away from the front runner does not sit well with a sizable part of the party, and desantis, as the top trump alternative has failed to strengthen his position in the lead up to his announcement which is prompting others to ponder campaigns. henry gomez, senior national political reporter of msnbc news, and republican strategist, and msnbc political analyst, susan del percio. henry, this is so interesting, the trump people you talked to made it clear they think there is, of course, the ex-president at the stop, and everybody else is fighting for table scraps. what else did they tell you?

>> well, chris, the one number i have been hearing again and again as i talk to people in trump world, or supportive of the former president is 10%. if there's a third candidate in this race who can achieve 10% of the primary vote, you know, you have trump, which is 35 to 40%, desantis in the double digits, possibly above 20. get one more candidate in there with about 10%, and it's over. trump's the nominee. that's how they're approaching this expanding field. it all cuts into the not trump support. though trump wouldn't end up with a majority of the primary vote, he would end up with a decisive enough plurality, and the more the merrier as far as the trump folks are concerned. they see tim scott getting in, does he hit the 10%. and pence, the former vice president, can he achieve the 10%. you're also seeing more than you have over the last few weeks and months of this race, more and more names being tossed into the

mix considering a run, possibly about to launch a run. you know, the expansion of this field, it's not just a reflection of ron desantis's deficiencies, it is also, as we wrote in the story, reflective of this deep-seeded unhappiness with the prospect that you could nominate trump again and perhaps have another trump v biden that benefits joe biden, so you're seeing some of these, i don't know, should we call them, you know, more mainstream republican governor types that are kicking the tires on this. we keep hearing a lot about chris christie, the former new jersey governor who ran, of course, in 2016 and ended up becoming an ally of trump. now he's telegraphing a campaign where he would criticize trump. you're also hearing a new name, north dakota governor doug bergam. he doesn't have a national profile but he has a lot of money. he sold a company to microsoft. he has sent word that he is interested in jumping into the

race, and sees a space for him as well. but he could be competing with guys like chris sununu, like chris christie for that lane, adding up, perhaps, to this 10% number that the trump people want to see from a third or fourth candidate. >> yeah, susan, conventional wisdom says the larger field helps trump. you were telling me something interesting in the break. you think the key here for a real challenge to trump might be chris christie, not necessarily that he would win, right, but? >> he's the one who takes on trump. he's the one who lodges all the attacks, so, for example, someone like tim scott looks good with his forward-looking message, his inspirational message, and he doesn't have to get down in the gutter. and trump can't help himself. if you attack him, he is going to focus on you with a laser. and christie knows the president pretty bell, better, for example, than ron desantis, he knows how to get to the former

president. add to ron desantis, how much incoming can trump take, keep everything that he has, which i argue is not the numbers that the trump people have. i don't think he's at 35, 40%. i think he's probably at a solid built in 25%. and could all the incoming create a lane for one, it won't be more than one, but if you have like a christie and desantis going after trump and trump's numbers go down, he could even end up stepping out because if it looks like he's going to lose to biden, he's not going to run again. >> well, there's also the question of what happens in the general, right? i want to play something that bill cassidy said over the weekend, and i want to emphasize that he is from louisiana. this is a state where trump won by, i think, more than 18 points. take a listen. >> during the last election cycle, in all the swing states, almost all, georgia, pennsylvania, nevada, and arizona, that trump's -- that the candidates for senate that

trump endorsed all lost. if you had taken the votes that went to other republicans and put them together, those republicans would have won. so i think the president's kind of high profile endorsement of those candidates actually hurt those candidates, at least in the general election. so if past is prologue, that means president trump is going to have a hard time in those swing states, which means he can not win a general election. >> how much do you think the electability question is catching hold with republicans and in particular, primary republican voters? >> i think it's going to become very real. it also may be something else that gets republicans that maybe don't normally participate in primaries because we know it tends to be, you know, the small more extreme of both parties are the primary voters, but maybe it gets more republican primary voters out there, which would allow for, you know, basically increasing the numbers so it does open the field, but i would take one statement, with one

thing the senator said. i don't think that they lost because they had trump's endorsement. i think it's what they did to get trump's endorsement. and wrapped themselves around that, around trump, more so than trump endorsing them. >> susan del percio, henry gomez, thank you both so much. we have lift off and history as the first woman commanding a private spacecraft that reaches the international space station. we'll head to cape canaveral next on "chris jansing reports." l next on "chris jansing reports." so, we switched to tide pods free & gentle. it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. case, closed! it's gotta be tide. (woman) with verizon's new myplan, i get exactly what i want. and only pay for what i need. (man) now i'm in charge... ...of my plan. (vo) introducing myplan from verizon. you get exactly what you want and only pay for what you need. and it all starts at just $30. it's your verizon.

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she was later arrested by denver law enforcement. according to the faa, there have been a total of 670 reports of unruly passengers so far in 2023. that is close to five a day. let's go beyond the skies to outer space because this right here is the moment that spacex launched its axiom 2 private astronaut mission to the international space station. never get tired of looking at that. the four passenger crew on this journey is making history, including the first woman to command a private space flight. this launch makes the words of the chief technology officer for axiom space all the more special when he said, quote, all of this crew, most of them, have spent their whole life dreaming of this moment. but as his crew starts their research at the international space station, there's also the ongoing race to mars. nbc's tom costello is in cape

canaveral, florida, with an exclusive look at how nasa plans to get future crews to the red planet. hey, tom. >> reporter: nasa thinks they can get to mars by 2040. that's 17 years away. a lot of outside experts are skeptical. china hopes to put astronauts on the moon by 2030. that's lighting a fire from nasa. to get to mars, you won't believe what they're talking about. they're talking about going nuclear. one month after elon musk's starship launched, then broke apart on liftoff. >> a rapid unscheduled disassembly. >> spacex and nasa insist they're committed to the rocket. first to land astronauts on the moon, but ultimately to carry crews to mars, as soon as 2040. while science and exploration are the driving motivators, there's also a competitive factor, china. >> the chinese government is very secretive. and a lot of their plans involve

their military preparations. and so there's a reason for us to get there first. >> and nasa wants to get there faster. a round trip mission to mars could take two to three years, so to cut the travel time, america is going back to the future. >> this project was called nerva. >> reporter: to the 1960s and a government program most americans have never heard of to develop nuclear powered rockets. >> some day, a manned trip to mars and return may become the mission assignment. >> reporter: it turns out they made big progress back in the '60s, running expensive test. the goal now, send astronauts to the moon and beyond on nuclear rockets. when the apollo astronauts went to the moon, they needed five of these massive f1 engines to get them off the earth and escape the earth's gravitational pull. 700 million pounds of thrust.

at the space and rocket center in huntsville, they have an exact replica to scale of the saturn 5, 360 feet tall. future astronauts will need that kind of lift but once they're in space, they can use a much smaller engine, a nuclear engine to go all the way to mars and back, a fraction of the size. and that engine could last 20 years. >> this is a big place. >> reporter: it's happening now at the marshal test light center in huntsville. >> this is where they put components of nuclear thermal rockets such as this fuel element here and like the one you're holding. >> reporter: these are the building blocks for america's future nuclear propulsion going to space? >> yes. >> reporter: but america's best known astro physicist, neil degrasse tyson wonders why we're going. >> i'm all for people in space, but to accomplish scientific goals, the robot can live off of sunlight, and you can't. the robot is not going to cry because you ran out of money, and we can't bring you back.

>> reporter: nasa has used nuclear technology before. we've got nuclear batteries on the voyager 2 space probe launched back in 1977. it's still going, exploring the universe. ultimately, nasa is hoping to use nuclear generators on the moon and mars to provide power and heat for future astronaut bases. back to you. >> so cool, thank you, tom. and you can watch more of tom's reporting on the epic space race to mars on "meet the press" reports on nbc news, and on peacock. that does it for us this hour. make sure to joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur. there are eight working days left, and still no sign that president biden and speaker mccarthy are any closer to a deal. speaker mccarthy just