they have pushed off all the budget stuff for 82 days in a 90-day session, so that they can get this dual ban of abortions and trans health care for minors? >> we passed the budget on day 80, which is the last day possible in our state constitution we passed it on da pass the budget so they pushed it to the end and they still rushed this through. i don't think that's what nebraska really wants. >> i don't think that's what anybody wants. >> thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> nice to see you. thanks for joining us. it is good to have you here. this time last week if you've been watching monday nights, we had e. jean carroll here live on the show along with her

attorney, roberta kaplan. they were here last week in the immediate wake of that remarkable court ruling in which a jury held unanimously that former president donald trump had sexually abused e. jean carroll and when he disparanoid her, he was the one. and he was defaming miss carroll and he would have to pay for it. in that case, that jury ordered donald trump to pay e. jean carroll $5 million in damages. both for what he did and for what he said about it. if you watched the show last week and you saw that interview that i did with e. jean carroll and her attorney, you might remember that in addition to sort of reflecting on the fact that they had won that case, one of the thing they were newly contending with in the wake of that jury verdict was that even

though trump had just been ordered to pay out millions of dollars because of his attacks on e. jean carroll, his lies about her. even though he had just been ordered to pay millions of dollars, literally within a day of that jury verdict, and being ordered to pay all that money, he was out there saying all the same things again. you did force accountability. and then he did it again. the defamation, the calling you a liar, the exact same things the jury held him liable for, he did again the next day on national television. is that the way it has to be? do you think that could be actionable if you were to file another suit? would it work the same way? >> it is definitely actionable. he won't get away with it another time. it is unprecedented for a person to have been held liable in defamation to keep doing the defamation. so there are not a lot of cases

to look to for a play book about how to do it. suffice to say, i have a lot of lawyers very busy looking into it and we are weighing all of our options. >> a lot of lawyers who are looking into this. we are weighing all of our options. so that was this time, this show, exactly one week ago tonight. now tonight, here we go. the new york time was first to report e. jean carroll seeks new damages from trump for comments on cnn. for comments that he made anew about e. jean carroll on cnn the night after the jury verdict in her case against him. now, this is not a new lawsuit against trump filed by e. jean carroll. it is effectively an adenied up. this is with the same judge who presided in the trial in which e. jean carroll was just awarded $5 million in damages from trump. this newly amended complaint

filed tonight by lawyer roberta kaplan and her firm, it documents all the new statements that trump made attacking e. jean carroll online and on cnn's bizarre town hall event with him the night after the initial jury verdict. it then runs through some of the threats that e. jean carroll received from trump supporters after trump went on the attack against her again. and the complaint then says this. and i'm not a lawyer. i have only a layman's understanding of these things. i feel like this complaint is written in such a way that i get how it is that they're attaching this new complaint to the existing litigation already in with him. it says, at the jury trial that took place in the related action between april 25th and may 9th, this court instructed the jury concerning an award of punitive damages in connection with trump's previous defamatory statement in 2022. this court instructed the jury

as follows, quote, punitive damages may be awarded to punish a defendant who has acted maliciously and to discourage others from doing the same. a statement is made with malice or made maliciously if it is made with deliberate intent to injury or made out of hatred or ill will or spite or made with willful or want honor reckless disregard of another's rights. both prior and subsequent defamations and subsequent statements of the defendant may reflect a defendant's malice. trump's defamatory statements post verdict show the depth of his malice toward carroll. so that's how the lawyers phrase it in this complaint. it sort of makes sense, right? in laymen's terms and other terms, the jury was told that they're supposed to consider the effect of, sort of the amount of malice this person had when he made his statements defaming this other person. and the jury was instructed that

they can judge the amount of malice he had, not just by things he said and did before the statements in question but by things he said and did after. so after the initial statements by him that were at issue in the previous trial, after he defamed e. jean carroll, which is what the jury found, you know, they held him liable for it in court after that, he in fact went back and made more and worse statements about her. the claim here is that that matters, or they are arguing that should matter in terms of how much he should have to pay. that because that's something that speaks directly to the. a malice and the type of malice he had toward her when he made those statements that is relevant to a civil jury deciding what the consequences should be for him, of him having made those statements. so that's basically the argument. what is she demanding here? what is she asking for?

here it is for the complaint. prayer for relief. where for e. jean carroll prays for relief as follows. ordering trump to retract any and all defamatory statements, b, ordering trump to pay compensatory damages in an amount to be determined at trial, but in no event less than $10 million. c, ordering trump to pay punitive damages in addition to compensatory damages. punitive damages in an amount to be determined at trial, and she also wants him to have to pay all the court costs on both sides which could be a lot. then closes with a jury demand. the last part of her prayer for relief is that she wants all this handled back before a jury. so that has happened just tonight. the complaint spelling out in pretty plain english that according to e. jean carroll's lawyers, what they want the court to consider, if trump will

keep lying about the sexual assault claims and he will keep lying about e. jean carroll, then the $5 million he's already been ordered to pay, that isn't going to be enough. there is going to be more. quote, this conduct supports a very substantial punitive damages award in carroll's favor, both to punish trump and to deter him in engaging in further defamation and to deter others from doing the same. so they want compensatory damages in an amount to be determined at trial but no less than $10 million. in addition to that, they want very substantial punitive damages on top of the $10 million. plus costs. and they want it back before the jury. so we have that interview a week ago tonight. that was just filed in court tonight in new york. and you know, we shall see. pass news was breaking, we also learned this, which was also first reported in the "new york times." you see the headline here.

prosecutors sought records on trump's foreign business deals since 2017. now, this is maggie haberman, alan feuer and ben protess reporting. for the federal special counsel jack smith investigating two things. what trump was doing with classified documents that he wasn't supposed to have at his home after he left the presidency. he is also investigating trump's efforts to try to stay in power even after he lost the 2020 election. the "times" is reporting that as part of the investigation, he has reportedly sent a subpoena to trump's business, and the subpoena asks about trump's business dealings in seven different foreign countries, starting with when he took office as president in 2017. the subpoena reportedly asks about trump business dealings, starting in 2017, in china,

saudi arabia, united arab emirates, oman, turkey and france. now, we have no idea what the nexus might be between him having potential business dealings in those countries while he was president, and his efforts to overthrow the u.s. government and stay in office after he was voted out. we have no idea what the nexus might be between him allegedly having business dealings in those countries, and him spiriting lots of classified documents out of white house after he was voted out. we don't know what the potential nexus is there, or why jack smith is looking at these things together. i will note, as the "times" notes tonight, that newspaper has previously reported some of the classified documents that trump took to his home in florida, those documents to do with personal information about the president of france. so maybe with france being on the list of countries listed in the subpoena, maybe the idea is

that there was some connection with the classified documents trump took and he wasn't supposed to have. and his him trying to make deals with money in france somehow? maybe that's the implication here? we are guessing. we do not know. according to the "new york times," the special counsel has started firing off subpoenas to trump's business that in that brand new direction for this federal investigation. we just learned that. and both of those things, the new action against him on the e. jean carroll matter where he's already been assessed $5 million in penalties that he has to pay. the new action against him, the new manner, the new subpoenas to his business from the jack smith inquiry at the federal department of justice. both those stories breaking tonight ahead of trump's expected appearance in court tomorrow in new york. on a totally separate case. the case where he is facing 34

criminal charges related to a scandal and ever could-up effort after the 2016 election. . in case in new york, which will probably drag on for ages, donald trump tomorrow will be instructed by the judge as to what is called the protective order in that case. now, i wasn't planning on doing a big update on former president trump's legal woes tonight. i was only planning to talk about this pregnantive order thing because it's kind of interesting. i didn't expect this late-breaking news. there is this late-breaking news and this protective order thing that he will come up face to face on tomorrow and it is interesting. when you're on trying in the united states, when anyone is on trial, you are entitled to see the evidence against you. the prosecution has to hand over to you and your lawyers the

evidence they plan to rely on in bringing their case against you. so you have a chance to try to refute the evidence. you have a chance to properly defend yourself, right? and it's not just the stuff they're definitely going to cite in court. it is everything the prosecution obtains for the purpose of building their case. evidence the prosecution gets to see. all the evidence they collect. you and your defense team gets to see it, too. it is part of what it mean to get a fair trial. a really important part of what it means to get a fair trial. you get to see all the information. the court also gets to decide what you are allowed to do with that information. and in this criminal case against trump, the former president is facing dozens of felony criminal counts, the court in this case has put in place a protective order, and the protective order says he can only review that information he's about to get from the prosecution, he can only review it in the presence of his lawyers. he can't copy it.

he can't take it home. and he can't make any of it public. no tweeting about it. no truthing about it. no yelling about it the next time cnn inexplicably gives him an hour of free tv. the order shall be used solely for the purpose of preparing a defense in this matter. anyone who receives these matters shall not copy them or disseminate them by in means including to any social media platform. that protective order has been issued by the court in trump's criminal case. tomorrow in court tomorrow in new york, it is a face to face confrontation with that order. tomorrow in court in new york, trump will be instructed personally by the judge as to what this order means. as to what he needs to do to comply with this protective order, and presumably what will happen to him if he doesn't comply with it.

he didn't want to appear to be instructed by the judge in this regard. his lawyers wanted to handle it without him. the judge says no, he has to be there. at least by video link he has to be there. this case, this big criminal case against trump is likely to drag on for months and months, at least, maybe even for years, if trump gets his way. but tomorrow, when he appears in court in new york on video link for that proceeding, it is one of the days when he has to show his face and admit that he is submitting himself to the authority of the court. and i'm sure he just loves that. i'm sure he loves that particularly on a day when he finds out that the case that just took $5 million out of his hide is not going away and is now going for a minimum $10 million more, but honestly, the sky is the limit. i'm sure he loves that is happening on the same day we learn that his business is being subpoenaed by the u.s. justice department on his foreign business dealings while he was

president and supposedly, he was not doing any foreign business dealings while he was president. but boy, howdy, are we about to find out that's true. i mean that as sarcastically as it sounds. i also say that because i mean, it seems likely to me that he doesn't love all this. but if you believe the punditry around this guy, this is supposed to be great news for this guy, right? right? all the punditry says this is supposed to be great. this is all going to benefit him politically. and none of us knows whether or not that is true in the long run. but this doesn't just matter about this one former president as a person, right? it doesn't just matter in terms of what happens to him and matters of personal justice. his personal come-uppins. it is spore to us as a country because he wants to be president again and there is all this

punld itory saying all the legal trouble he's in will be great news for his political prospects. i don't know. we will see in the long run. complain that in fact is the case. in terms of the evidence that we've got, it's not like the republican presidential field is crowded with top tier candidates eager to run against him. i mean, maybe rick perry will run again? okay. and nikki haley? sure. today another south carolina republican senator tim scott announced with a big weird hoot, he announced that he will join the race. >> ladies and gentlemen, please give a warm low country welcome to the man i am blessed to call uncle timmy, your united states senator, tim scott!

[ cheers and applause ] >> hello, north charleston! i know we have the longer tape. can we play just that part again? do you have that? >> hello north charleston! ♪ when it's time to change ♪ >> that was a rough first three seconds of his presidential campaign for south carolina tim scott. maybe it was just a couple of rough first few seconds. maybe in the end he will do great. it worked out for peter brady in the end. he got through it. it was tough.

for now, it is the former president who is the far out front-runner. while he is in lots of trouble with criminal courts, state court, federal court. whether or not that makes the far right republican base voters like him even more, him being the standard bearer for his party, it just isn't good news for his party. i mean, yes, donald trump was elected in 2016 to the white house. yay for republicans. but then in the next election after that, in 2018, republicans lost more than 40 seats in the house, and the next election after that, the republican president donald trump became a one-term president. he lost the white house while the party also lost the senate. in the next election after that, a mid-term election after the election of a new democratic president, historically that means the republicans should have cleaned up.

republicans predicting they would pick up 40, 50, 60, even 70 in the house, republicans instead ended up with a single digit win in the house. what happened to the red wave? they were so flummoxed in 2018. when they finally squeaked over the line to pick a republican speaker, it took them 15 ballots and five days to do it. it was the first time in a century that it took them more than one ballot and it took 15. so 2016, okay. 2018? no. 2020? no. 2022? no. even this year, 2023, in an offyear. the elections last week, democrats won contested special elections in swing states like new hampshire and pennsylvania. they won big mayors races away from republicans in reliably red places like colorado springs, colorado, and jacksonville.

in jacksonville it was a mayor who won. it was the first time ever someone not a republican won the mayor's race. just looking at how republicans have done in elections in the era of donald trump. having donald trump as the standard bearer has been bad for them. it has not been good for them as a party. maybe it's not fair to only judge them by what their standard bearer has been able to achieve politically. of course, there are lots of states under republican control aside from donald trump. how is it going politically in terms the national political image when you look at what's going on in states run by republicans? they haven't exactly been cleaning up on big political winning issues. just in the current news cycle. this was the headline in the "wall street journal" today. arkansas seeks to end school

desegregation settlements. arkansas? school desegregation? why does that ring a bell? literally, the state of the little rock nine, the state where federal troops had to be used to desegregate the schools by force, years after the brown versus board of education ruling that said segregation was illegal, that state under republican leadership under sarah huckabee, they decided to get rid of segregation. surely that's never been an issue. and child labor laws as well. because yes, who among us in america has not laid awake at night worrying that the big problems, the big problems we need bold leadership to address in this country are the fact that schools can't be segregated anymore, and oh, boy, do i hate that there are child labor laws. don't worry. republicans are in control in arkansas and they're on both

those big problems. in indiana under republican governance, the new law there on books in schools threatens school liar rarians with fentanyl convictions -- with felonies. threatening to put librarians in prison if they don't abide by republicans' new book bans. the indianapolis star recently reported on how captain america comic books were among the books being banned in indiana schools for being somehow offensive to republicans. apparently after that ended up in the paper, they decided that captain america had been removed in error and they needed to put him back. but that's the kind of level of sophistication they're playing with in indiana. in florida this weekend, the naacp had to issue a travel advisory for african americans, for black travelers, advising that recent changes in florida law under that state's

republican governor and republican legislature mean that black travelers need to beware. that quote, your life is not valued in the state of florida saying that if you are a person of color, traveling to florida should be consented to only at your own risk. because that state is against you. i mean, whatever your politics are, whether you agree with what these republicans and republican governors and republican legislatures are doing in the states. you can still see, right? that this isn't exactly a thrilling national platform on which republican candidates will be eager to run for the white house next year, right? like jailing librarians, banning abortion, banning that books, undoing desegregation in schools, getting rid of child

labor law, right? regardless of who the standard bearer is going to be, either donald trump or it will be somebody else who has this record of current models in republican governance to run on. and regardless of, you know, who their standard bearer will be, whether it is trump or not. regardless of the unpopularity and extremity of how they are governing in the states they control, the one hope they have for taking back the white house next year, for taking back control of the executive branch, for taking the presidency in 2024. the one thing in their control the one thing you can control as the country as a whole, the political climate for the country, the one thing they can do single handedly is economy the economy. they can control that. that is in their hands. democratic president joe biden is, of course, running for re-election. and you know, he's running for re-election having brought the

unemployment rate down from 6.3% when he was sworn in to 3.4% today. unemployment rate is lower now than what we had in the '90s, the '80s, the '70s. the last time unemployment was this low was 1969. he's created millions and millions and millions of new jobs in his one term as president thus far. and that, of course, is terrible for republicans' political prospects. but they can't control anything about donald trump, apparently. they apparently can't restrain themselves when it come to governing in a way that is attractive to swing voters. but they can control the health of the economy with this debt ceiling thing. in this debt ceiling fight, that is within their control. they know it. if they refuse to raise the debt ceiling, the white house council of economic advisers has just release ad report saying the

consequences will be that millions of americans will lose their jobs. more than 8 million americans will lose their jobs. the economy will contract radically. the stock market would fall by nearly half. by 45%. if the defall is protracted, a simulation of the white house economic advisers has done shows an immediate sharp recession on the order of the great recession in 2008, and unemployment increasing by 5 percentage points. so we go from 3.something percent unemployment to 8.something% unemployment instantly. that would be terrible for any president running for re-election in those circumstances. and that is absolutely within republicans' control if they want to unleash that on the country. they can use this debt ceiling fight to do that to the country if they want to do it to reap the political rewards in the

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only this debt ceiling crisis but all future debt ceiling crises as well. if the president did that, and there's no sign that he will. if he did, it would have to hold up in court. who knows what the super conservative super majority on the supreme court would do with something like that? the treasury secretary reiterated that the threat is real. she reiterated in the letter that the threat of default is coming as soon as next week. june 1st. joining us now, vermont senator bernie sanders. one of the senators leading the push to invoke the 14th amendment as a way to end this crisis and all others like it. thanks for making time tonight. >> my pleasure. >> tell me your view of the practicality of the 14th amendment option. i feel like i understand the basic constitutional argument. where i get stuck is that this

would go to court and i feel like in court it would either be a protracted and potentially damaging economic situation or it would just go through conservative wringer and come back on the other side that wouldn't be particularly helpful. >> for a start, my strong view is we cannot six you will to the hostage taking of these republicans who are circumventing the normal appropriations process. we're saying, hey, if you don't do what we want you to do, to make savage cuts to the needs of working people and low-income people. we republicans are prepared to cause massive economic chaos throughout the entire world by for the first time in american history, not paying our debt. the alternative is to say, hey, the 14th amendment of the constitution says that the public debt shall not be questioned. in my view, that means, you pay

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as i mentioned at the top of the show, shortly before we got on the air we got breaking news regarding two things, first that e. jean carroll has brought a flew court action against former president trump seeking, quote, substantial damages against him. meaning starting at $10 million and going up from there. seeking she's damages on top of the $5 million a jury has already awarded her in her previous case against trump. so we learned that earlier this evening. and also, new breaking news on the special counsel investigation into former

president trump that is being conducted by the u.s. department of justice. this headline from the new york times reads, quote, prosecutors sought records on trump's foreign business deals since 2017. according to two people familiar with the matter, federal prosecutors overseeing the investigation into trump's handling of classified documents have issued a subpoena for information about his business dealings in foreign countries after he took office as president. quote, it remains unclear precisely what the prosecutors were hoping to find by sending the subpoena to mr. trump's company. the subpoena suggests investigators have cast a wider net than previously understood as they scrutinize whether he broke the law in taking sensitive government materials with him upon leaving the white house, and then not fully complying with the demands for their return. when stories break like that within moments of each other right before we get on the air,

we call barb mcquaid, co-host of the sisters-in-law podcast. barb, it's really great to see you. thanks for joining us on such short notice tonight. >> you bet. glad to be with you, rachel. >> if you can explain what you see as significant, if anything, about this news of the federal subpoena. prosecutors looking into trump's possible foreign business dealings dating back to when he took office in 2017. what does that say to you? >> well, it is both a fairly routine move but also one with potentially explosive consequences, i think. whenever you're investigating a white collar case, you want to follow the money. it is what deep throat told woodward and bernstein to do. you might find interesting motives, et cetera. in this case when prosecutors are trying to decide whether to file charges, they're looking for aggravating factors like obstruction of justice. another one is disloyalty to the

united states. if you can make a link that there was motive with payments to a foreign government in exchange of sharing classified documents, or trying to leverage information to get an upper hand in business negotiations, that could be a very powerful aggravating factor that could lead toward charges for mishandling these classified documents. >> the target of this subpoena, according to the "new york times'" reporting was trump's business. and trump's business has had its own legal story in the past year or two, including being convicted as a business entity on accounts related to business and tax fraud. how much leeway does the trump organization, trump's organization as a business have in complying with the subpoena like this? is it a black and white case where they have no choice in the matter? or is this where they can sort of resist it or fight it in court? >> they could fight it. ordinarily when you get a subpoena from the government,

the presumption is that it is regular and you will comply with it. and really, the only basis for objecting is if there was some sort of privilege. i can't imagine one here. or that it is somehow overly broad. if you asked for millions and millions of documents, a company might say that's unreasonable and might go to court to quash it or narrow the scope of it. ordinarily if you ask for business records and it is within the scope of the investigation, a judge will enforce that subpoena. >> i also wanted to ask but this breaking news tonight about e. jean carroll. she obviously had a big victory in court in her defamation case. the judge found that former president trump was liable for sexual abuse of miss carroll and also lying about her and defaming her big jury award. they ordered him to pay $5 million to miss carroll. in the wake of that, after he made subsequent further remarks along the same lines as those actionable statements that were

previously litigated, they're going back to court. going back to the same judge who presided over that earlier case saying, listen, we're looking for $10 million minimum and potentially substantially more for the additional statements that he made. even after the verdict. what do you make of that action by carroll and her lawyers? >> yeah. her perseverance is admirable. if i were advising her to declare victory and go on your way. you won $5 million. i think she's trying to make a statement and trying to get the kind of deterse that she was seeking in this lawsuit to begin with. the very next day trump goes on cnn and repeats the very same statements that he was found liable for by a jury. so she's going to go in and back it up. so i admire her for her gumption. if anything, i think her legal claim is even stronger now because to the extent she has to

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as we head toward june and pride season officially gets underway around the country, the national security at georgetown law school has created a four-page instruction manual for how to think about moments like this. what to do and how to prepare if guys like this will try to show up and hurt people at your local pride parade. they say to look for some telltale signs. what are the armed people doing? what are the armed people wearing? are they carrying firearms? if so, what type? do they have any insignia? do they seem patrolling like a law enforcement officer? do they have leaders? the reason georgetown law and this advice is being so specific, asking about the insignias on their shirts and the way they're moving and whether it is coordinated, the reason they're being so specific is that classifying these guys as paramilitaries can be see to stopping them.

as they explain, quote, all 50 states prohibit private, unauthorized militias from engaging in activities reserved for the official state militia. this means that armed groups that self-deploy at pride events and stake out tactical positions, operate in military-style formations or purport to engage in law enforcement are likely in violation of state law. this advice, just the very fact that it exists is sort of a touchstone moment about where we are as a country right now. sort of a scary thing. also very practical and sadly, very necessary advice. we've posted again the short four-page blog tonight if you want to take a look. happy pride, everybody. we're not going anywhere.

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