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here last week. in the immediate wake of that remarkable court ruling. and which a jury held unanimously that former president, donald trump, had sexually abused e. jean carroll. and that when he denied that and disparaged her, and come her a liar. he was the one who was lying. and he was defaming miss carroll and he was going to have to pay for it. in that case that jury ordered donald trump to pay e. jean carroll $5 million in damages. both for what he did, and what he said about her. but if you watch the show last week, and you saw the interview that i did with e. jean carroll and her attorney. you might remember that in addition to reflecting to the fact that they had won that case, one of the things that they were newly contending with in the wake of that jury verdict, was that even though trump had just been ordered to

pay out millions of dollars, because of his attacks on e. jean carroll, because of his lies on her, even though he had just been ordered to pay millions of dollars, literally within a day of that jury verdict, and being ordered to pay all that money, he was out there saying all of the same things again. >> you did force accountability. and then you did it again? the definition, that calling you a liar. the exact same things that the jury held you liable for the thing that he did again the next day on national television. is that the way that it has to be? do you think it could be actionable if he were to follow another suit when i worked the same way? >> so it's definitely actionable, he's not going to get away with it another time. it is unprecedented for a person to be found liable in defamation, to keep doing the defamation. so there's not a lot of cases that we can look to for a playbook on how to do it but suffice to say i have a lot of

lawyers who are busy looking into this and we are waiting all of our options. >> i have a lot of lawyers looking into this, we are weighing all of our options so that was this time, the show, exactly one week ago tonight. now tonight, here we go, the new york times was first to report, e. jean carroll seeks new damages from trump for comments on cnn. for comments that he made a new about e. jean carroll and the night after the jury verdict in her case against him. now this is not a new lawsuit against trump, followed by e. jean carroll, it is basically an addendum of recent litigation she had been in with trump. the new filing today is with the same judge who presided in the trial. in which e. jean carroll was just awarded $5 million in damages from trump. this newly amended complaint filed tonight, by lawyer, roberta kaplan and her firm, in

documents it was all the new statements made attacking e. jean carroll online and cnn's bizarre town hall event with him the night after the initial jury verdict. it then runs through some of the threats that e. jean carroll received after supporters of trump after he went on attack after her again. and the complaint says this, i'm not a lawyer, i have only a layman's understanding of these things, but i feel that this complaint is weight -- written in such a way that i get how it is. that they are attaching the new complaint to the existing litigation they already have with him. it says quote, at the jury trial that took place, and the related action between april 25th may 9th, this court instructed the jury. considering a award of punitive damages. in connection with trump's previous, defamatory statements in 2022. it instructed the jury as follows, quote, punitive damages may be awarded to

punish a defendant who's acted maliciously. and to discourage others from doing the same. the statement is made with malice, or made maliciously if it is made with deliberate intent to injure, or made out of hatred, or elwell, or spite. or made with willful, or wanton, or reckless disregard of another's rights. both prior and subsequent defamation, since subsequent statements of the dependent may reflect a defendants malice. trump's defamatory statement post verdict show the depth of his malice towards carroll. that's how the lawyers phrase it in the complaint, but it makes sense. in layman's words, and other terms, the jury was told that they are supposed to consider the effect of the amount of malice that this person had when he made has they pants. defaming this other person. and the jury was instructed that they can judge the amount of malice that he had, not just

by things he said and did before the statements in question. but by things he said and it after. so, after the initial statements by him that were an issue in the previous trial, after he defamed e. jean carroll, which is what the jury found, they held him liable for it and kurtz. afterward, he went back and made more and her statements about her. and the claim here is that that matters. at least e. jean carroll attorneys are arguing that that should matter in terms of how much he would have to pay. because that is something that speaks directly to the amount of malice, and the type of malice he had to her when he made those statements. that is relevant to a civil jury decided what the consequences should be for him. of him having made those statements. uld be for himso that is basicae argument. what is she demanding here? what is she arguing for? here it is for the complaint. prayer for relief. where for, e. jean carroll

praise for relief as follows. a, ordering trump to retract any and all defamatory statement. be, ordering trump to pay compensatory damages and an amount to be determined that trial. but no in no events, less than $10 million. see, ordering trump to pay punitive damages. in addition to compensatory damages, punitive damages in an amount to be determined that trial. and she also wants him to have to pay all the costs. all the court costs on both sides. which could be a lot. but then closes with the jury demand. the last part of her prayer for relief is that she wants all of this handled back before a jury. that has happened just tonight. the complaint spelling out in pretty plain english. that according to e. jean carroll's lawyers, what they want the court to consider is that if trump is going to keep lying about the sexual assault claims, and he's gonna keep lying about e. jean carroll, than the $5 million that he has

already been ordered to pay, that isn't going to be enough. there is going to be more. quote, this conduct supports a very substantial punitive damages award in carols favor, both to punish trump and to deter him from engaging in further defamation, and to deter others from doing the same. so they want compensatory damages, in an amount to be determined at trial but no less than $10 million and in addition to that they want various substantial punitive damages on top of the 10 million. plus cost. and they won it back before the jury. so, we had that interview where we go tonight. that was just filed in court tonight, in new york. and you know, we shall see. as that news was breaking, we also learned this, which was also forced reported in the new york times. the headline here, prosecutors sought records on trump's foreign business deal since 2017.

this is allen foyer, maggie haberman, and ben at the new york times reporting. on what is effectively a previously unknown area of inquiry for this federal special counsel, jack smith, who is investigating two things. jack smith is investigating what trump was doing with classified documents that he was not supposed to have at his home, after he left the presidency. he is also investigating trump's efforts to try to stay in power even after he lost the 2020 election. the times is reporting tonight that as part of jack smith's investigation, he has reportedly sent a subpoena to trump's business. and the subpoena asks about trump's bill is now stealing's and seven different foreign countries. starting when he took office as president in 2017. the subpoena reportedly asked about trump business dealings, starting in 2017, in china, saudi arabia, united arab emirates, kuwait, iran, turkey, and france.

now, we have no idea what the nexus might be between him having potential business dealings in those countries while he was president. and his effort to overthrow the u.s. government, and stay in office after he was voted out. we have no idea what the nexus might be between him allegedly having business dealings in those countries and him spiriting lots of classified documents out of the white house after he was voted out. we do not know what the potential nexus, is there why jack smith is looking at these things together. i will note that that paper has previously reported that some of the classified documents that trump took to his home in florida, those documents had to do with personal information about the president of france. so maybe with france be on the list of countries that is listed in the subpoena, maybe the idea was that there was some connection with the classified documents trump took, and he wasn't supposed to have,

and him trying to make money with deals in france somehow? maybe that's the implication here? again, we are guessing we do not know. but according to the new york times tonight, the special counsel has now started firing of subpoenas to trump's business. in that brand-new direction for this federal investigation, we just learned that tonight. and both of those things, that new action against him on the e. jean carroll matter. where he has already been assessed $5 million in penalties that he has to pay. the new action against them, in the e. jean carroll matter. the new subpoenas to his business. from the jacks mitt inquiry at the federal department of justice. both of those stories breaking tonight. ahead of trump's expected appearance in court tomorrow. in new york. on a totally separate case. the case where he is personally facing 34 felony criminal charges related to a scandal

and cover-up effort in relation to the 2016 election. in that case in new york, which is probably going to drag on for ages, trump tomorrow, is going to be instructed by the judge as to what is called the protective order in that case. now, i wasn't planning on doing a bit updates on trump's legal woes tonight. i was only planning on talking about the protective order thing because it's interesting. did not expect on the late breaking news, but there is late breaking news, and this protective order think that he is going to come up face to face on tomorrow. and it is interesting. when you're on trial in the united states, when anybody is on trial as part of your -- to get a fair trial, you are entitled to see the evidence against you. the prosecutor has the hand over to you and your lawyers, the evidence they plan to rely on in bringing your case

against. do it so that you have a chance to refute the evidence, a chance to properly defend yourself. and it's not just the stuff that they are definitely going to cite in court. it is everything that the prosecution obtains for the purpose of building their case. everything that the prosecution gets to see. all of the evidence that they collect. you and your defense team gets to see it to. it is part of what it means to get a fair trial, it is really important part of what it means to get a fair trial in this country, you get to see the information. however, the court also gets to decide what you are allowed to do with that information. and in this credible case against trump, the former president's facing double of felony criminal counts. the corner in this case has put in place a protective order. the protective order says that he can only review that information that he's about to get from the prosecution, he can only review it in the presence of his lawyers. he can't copy at, he can't take it home, and he can't make any of it public. no tweeting about it, no true

thing about. it no yelling about it the next time cnn inexplicably gives him an hour of free tv. this materials, according to the protective order, quote, shall be used solely for the purposes of preparing and defense in this matter. any person who receives these materials shall not copy, disseminate, or disclose them in any form, or in any, means to any third-party. including disseminating or posting the material to any social media platform. that protective order has already been issued by the court in trump's criminal case. tomorrow, in court to new york, it is a face to face confrontation with that order. tomorrow in quite a new york, trump will be instructed personally by the judge as to what this order means. as to what he needs to do to comply with this protective order, and presumably what will happen to him if he does not comply with it. he did not want to appear to be instructed by the judge in this regard. his lawyers would've handled

this woman without him, the judge said no he has to be there. at least by video link he has to be there. and this case, this big critical case against trump is likely to drag on for months and months. at least even four years of trump gets his way. but tomorrow, when he appears in court to new york on video link for that proceeding, it is one of the days when he has got to show his face. and admit that he is submitting himself to the authority of the court. and i'm sure that he just loves that. i'm sure he loves that particularly on a day when he finds out that the case that just took $5 million out of his hide is not going away. and is now going for a minimum 10 million more dollars. but honestly skies the limit. i'm sure he loves that that is happening on the same day that we learned that his business has been subpoenaed by the u.s. justice department on his foreign business dealings while he was president. and supposedly he was not doing any foreign business dealings while he was president, but boy

howdy are we going to find out if that is true. i'm sure he's watching it right? and that is, i mean that as sarcastically as it sounds. but i also say that because i made, it seems likely to me that he doesn't love all this. but if you believe the punditry a round this guy. this is all supposed to be great news for him, right? all the punditry says that this is supposed to be great. this is all just going to benefit him politically. none of us knows whether or not that is true in the long run. but this doesn't just matter about this former president as a person. it doesn't just matter in terms of what happens to him and in matters of personal justice, in terms of his personal come up and start any trouble that he might get into as an individual. it is important to us as a country because he wants to be president again. and there is all this punditry saying that all the legal trouble that he is in, while somehow be great news for his

political prospects. i don't know, we will see it in the long run. maybe that in fact is the case. i mean, in terms of the evidence that we have got, it's not like the republican presidential field is crowded with top tier candidates. equal to run against him. maybe rick perry is going to run again? okay? and nikki haley? sure? today, another south carolina republican, senator tim scott announced with a big weird hoot, he announced that he is going to join the race. >> ladies and gentlemen. please give a warm low country welcome to the man that i am blessed to call united states senator, tim scott. [applause] [screaming] [applause]

>> thank you. >> hello north charleston! [laughter] can we just play that, i know we have the longer tape that we just play, do we have a shorter version? can we play that small part one more time? do you have that? [screaming] [laughter] >> hello charleston! ♪ ♪ ♪ that was a rough first three seconds. of his presidential campaign. or south carolina senator, tim scott. but who knows? who knows? maybe it was just a rough first couple of seconds, maybe in the end he will do great. it worked out okay for peter brady in the end, he got through, it it was tough. for now, it is the former president who is the far out front runner for his party's

presidential nomination. and while he is going through the bottom lens, in terms of his legal troubles in civil court, in criminal court, in state court, potentially soon in federal court. whether or not that makes the far right republican base voters like him even more. hamburg the standard bearer again for his party? it just isn't good news for his party. i mean, yes, donald trump was elected in 2016 to the white house. yay for republicans. but then in the next election after that, in 2018, republicans last more than 40 seats in the house. and the next election after that? their republican president, donald trump, became a one term president. he lost the white house, while the party also lost the senate. then in the legs election after that. the midterm election, after the election of a no democratic president. historically, that means the republican should've cleaned up. this is a midterm election, the republicans predicting that they picked up 40. 50, maybe even 60, or 70 seats

in the house. republicans instead in 2018 ended up with a single digit when in the house. what happened to the red wave? they were so flummoxed by how poorly they did in 2018, when they finally squeaked over the line to be able to peek a republican speaker. it took them 15 ballots and five days to do it. it was the first time in the century it had taken more than one ballot, and it took them 15. so 2016, yeah okay, but 2018? now. 2020? now. 2022? now. even this year, 2023 in an off year. the elections last week. democrats won contested special elections in swing states like new hampshire, and pennsylvania, they won big mayors races away from the republicans. and previously reliable places like jacksonville, florida. and colorado springs, colorado. jacksonville had the mayor's race that was independent, that was the first time ever.

someone who is not a republican has won the mayor's race and colorado springs,. just look at how the republicans have done in elections in the era of donald trump. having donald trump is the standard bearer of their party has been bad for them. it has not been good for them as a party. and, you know, maybe it is not fair to only judge them by what their standard bearer has been able to achieve politically. standard beareof course there af states under republican control, aside from donald trump. how is it going politically? in terms of the national political image for the republican party when you look at what is going on in states run by republicans. well they haven't exactly been cleaning up, big, political issues. just in the current cycle. this is just put out by the wall street journal today. arkansas seeks to and school desegregation settlements. arkansas? school desegregation? why does that bring a bell?

literally, the state of the little rock nine. the state where federal troops had to be used to desegregate the schools by force. years after the brown versus board of education ruling that said segregation was illegal. that state under republican leadership from sarah huckabee sanders. that state is deciding that they're going to get rid of desegregation orders for all of their schools. because surely, that has never been a problem in arkansas? this comes hot on the heels of arkansas blazing the trail and republican governance. against child labor laws as well. because he has who among us in america has not late at night and worried about the big problems. the big problems that we need boiled leadership to address in this country are the fact that schools can be segregated anymore. and oh boy do i hate that there are child labor laws. don't worry, republicans are in control of arkansas and they are in on those big problems. in indiana, up under republican

governance. the new law on books in schools? brighton school librarians with felony convictions. felonies! threatens to put librarians in prison if they do not abide by republicans new book bans. the indianapolis star recently reported on how captain america comic books were among the books being banned in indiana schools now. for somehow being offensive to republicans. apparently after that ended up in the paper. they decided that captain america had been removed an error. and they needed to put him back. but that is the kind of level of political sophistication that republicans are played with an indiana right now. in florida this weekend, the naacp had to issue a travel advisory. for african americans, for black travelers. advising that recent changes in florida law, under that state's republican governor, and republican legislature mean that black travelers need to

quote, be where. your life is not valued. in the state of florida. essentially saying that if you are a person of color, traveling to florida should be consented to only at your own risk. because that state is against you. i mean, whatever your politics are. whether you agree with what these republicans, and republican governors, and republican legislatures are doing. you still can see, right, that this isn't just a thrilling national platform on which republican candidates are gonna be eager to run for the white house next year, right? jailing librarians. banning abortion. banning books. undoing desegregation orders for schools, getting rid of child labor laws? regardless of who their standard bearer is going to be,

it's either going to beat donald trump, or it's going to be somebody else who has this record of current models and republican governance to run on. and regardless of so their standard bearer is going to be, whether it is going to be trump or not. regardless of the unpopularity, an extremity of how they are governing in the streets that they control. the one hope that they have for taking back the white house next year, for taking back control of the executive branch. for taking the presidency in 2024, the one thing that is in their control. the one thing that they can control about the country as a whole, the political climate for the country, the one thing that they can do single-handedly's control the economy. they can control that. that is in their hands. democratic president, joe biden, is of course running for reelection. and, you know, he's running for reelection having brought the u.s. unemployment rate down from 6.3% when he was sworn in, to 3.4% today.

unemployment rate is lower right now than what we had in the 90s, the one we had in the 80s, we will one we had in the 70s. the last time unemployment was this low was 1969. he's created millions, and millions, and millions of new jobs. in his one term as president thus far. and that of course is terrible for republicans political prospects. but they can't control anything about donald trump, apparently, they can't apparently restrain themselves when it comes to governing in a way that might be naturally attractive to swing voters. they really can control the health of the economy. with this debt ceiling thing. in this doubt ceiling fight. this is within their control. and they know, what if they refused to raise the debt ceiling. the white house council of economic advisors has just released a report saying the consequences of that will be that millions of americans will lose their jobs.

more than 1 million americans will lose their jobs. the economy will contract radically. the stock market would fall by nearly half, by 45%. if the default is protracted, assimilation, the white house council of economic advisers had done. shows quote, an immediate, sharp recession on the order of the great recession in 2008. and unemployment increasing by five percentage points. so we go from three point something percent unemployment now to eight points something percent unemployment instantly. right? that would be terrible for any president running for reelection in those circumstances. and that is absolutely within republicans control. if they want to unleash death on the country. they what can use this debt ceiling fight to do that to the country. if they want to do it to reap the political rewards in the fight for the white house next year. from senator bernie sanders,

who's going to be our guest tonight. he said that threat to deliberately effect economic catastrophe on the country for their own political gain. he says that's exactly what the republicans are doing right now. with us that ceiling. he says that's what they're doing, and that's why they're doing it. senator bernie salads joins us live next! ins us live next! realtor.com (in a whisper) if we use kevin's college fund, we can afford this house. the house whisperer! this house says use realtor.com to find options within your budget. good luck young man. realtor.com to each their home. whoa. okay. easy does it. we switched to liberty mutual and saved $652. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we thought we'd try electric unicycles. whoa! careful, babe! saving was definitely easier. hey babe, i think i got it! it's actually... whooooa!

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we know there is disagreement on. ta-da! that was house speaker kevin mccarthy tonight after negotiations central at the white house, with president biden, over the debt ceiling. last week a group of 11 democratic senators signed on to a letter calling on president biden to essentially call east off, they asked the president to instead invoke a provision in the 14th amendment to the constitution, that would basically declare this debt ceiling idea unconstitutional. that would effectively and not only this debt ceiling crisis, but all the chart that ceiling crises as well. if the president did that, there is no sign that he will, but if he did do that it would also have to hold up in court. and who knows what the super conservative, super majority on the supreme court would do with something like that. treasury secretary janet yellen reiterated in a letter to congress today that the deadline is real. the threat is real. she reiterated in this letter today that the threat of

default is coming as soon as next week. june. first. joining us now is vermont senator bernie sanders. he is one of the senators leading the push to invoke the 14th amendment as a way to end these crisis and all others like this. senator sanders is really nice to see you thank you for making time tonight. tell me your view of the practicality of the 14th amendment option, i feel like i understand the basic constitutional argument where i get stuck is the idea that this would go to court, and i feel like in court it would actually be a protracted, potentially economically damaging situation. or it would just go through the sort of conservative ringer at the supreme court, and come back out at the other side, that would be particularly helpful to this crisis. >> well rachel, my first thought is that we cannot succumb to the hostage taking of these extreme republicans. who are circumventing the

normal appropriations process, and say hey, if you do not do what we want you to, do which is to make savage cuts to the needs of working people and low income people, we republicans are prepared to cause massive it cannot make chaos throughout the entire world for the first time in american history not paying our debt, and the alternative to that is to say hey, you know, what the 14th amendment of the constitution says that the public debt shall not be questioned and in my view that means that you pay the bills that you owe, now how long it would take for the supreme court to move on this? nobody knows. but i believe that given the situation that would be in, i think that they could move quite quickly and in the meantime we would be paying our bills. >> do you think that there is a case to be made that the republicans want a default?

that they are at least considering deliberately crashing the economy, deliberately bringing about that economic catastrophe simply to try to reap political benefit from it in the election somehow? well i'm not gonna say that all republicans adhere to that, because they don't. but are there some that would say wow, if we could cause economic chaos in the united states, if unemployment could go soaring, if interest rates could go much higher than they are right now, if we could do all of that, who is going to be blamed for that? well, it will be the president of the united states of america, that is what they think. and i think that one of the things that the american people have got to see through, is the absolute hypocrisy of these republicans who claim to be very very concerned about our deficits and our national debt meanwhile these are the exact same people today who are pushing to reveal the estate

tax which would provide 1.8 trillion dollars in tax breaks for the top one tenth of 1%, the very richest people in this country. they want to extend trump's tax breaks most of which went to the large corporations, three and a half trillion dollars. they refused to allow medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices, or with the pharmaceutical industry, is a trillion dollars so. these are hypocrites. they claim to be worried about the national debt but they fight the tax breaks for the rich, in essence what they are trying to do rachael, in my view, is to make savage attacks on medicaid, on housing, on the environment, on childcare, on education to destroy the ability of government in a democratic society to provide for their people. they want to move this country

even more to a corporate society where the only people who have economic decision-making or large, multinational corporations. >> senator bernie sanders, i know we are all in the thick of this. and the deadline is fast approaching. i appreciate you taking time tonight to walk us through it. thank you sir. >> thank you. >> we have more ahead tonight, stay with us. stay with us (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good!

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shortly before we got on the air we got some breaking news regarding two things. first that e. jean carroll has brought a new court action against former president donald trump. seeking quote substantial damages against him. meaning starting at $10 million and going up from there. these damages on top of the $5 million the jury has already awarded her and her previous case against trump. we learned that earlier this evening. and also new breaking news on this special counsel investigation into former president trump that is being conducted by the u.s. department of justice. this headline from the new york times says quote, prosecutors sought records and the foreign business deal since 2017, according to two people familiar with the matter, federal prosecutors overseeing the information into trump's handling of classified documents have issued a subpoena for information about his business dealings in foreign countries after he took office as president, quote, it

remains unclear precisely what the prosecutors were hoping to find by sending the subpoena to mr. trump's company. what the subpoenas suggests that investigators have cast a wider net than previously understood as they scrutinize whether he broke the law and taking sensitive government materials with him upon leaving the white house and they're not fully complying with demands for their return. when desperate breaking news stories like that break within moments of each other, right before we get on the air, we call barb mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, host of the sisters emma prod cast, barbara's really great to see you, thanks for joining us. it's such short notice. >> hugh bet. >> let me just ask you, if you can explain what you see as significant, if anything, about the snows of a federal subpoena. prosecutors looking into trump's possible for business dealings dating back to when he

took office in 2017. what does that say to you? >> it's both a very routine move. but also one with potentially explosive consequences i think rachel, whenever you are investigating a white-collar case, you wanna follow the money. that's what they told runcie to go. because you might find an interesting trail,, motivate segura. but in this case when prosecutors are deciding whether to file charges for mishandling supplying -- they're looking for aggravating factors, like obstruction of justice, but the other one is loyalty to the united states. so if you can make a link that there is some out of her parents mints from a foreign government in exchange for sharing documents about those, things are trying to leverage information to get an upper hand in business negotiations, that could be a very powerful and main factor that could lead toward charges for mishandling these classified documents. >> now the target of this subpoena, according to the new york times, was trump's business. and trump's business has had

its own legal story. in the past year or two. including being convicted as a business entity on counts related to business and tax fraud. how much leeway does the trump organization, trump's organization as a business have in complying to the subpoena like this. is it a black and white case where they have no choice in the matter? or is this is sort of thing where they can resist it, or fight it overtly in court? >> they could fight it rachel, ordinarily when you get a subpoena from the government we get the obsession that it is regular and you will comply with it, and really the only basis for objecting as if there is some sort of privilege, i can't imagine one here, or that it is somehow or really broad. if you asked for millions of millions of documents. the company might say that is unreasonable. it might go to court to. crush it or narrow the scope of it. but if you asked the business for the business records and it's within the scope of the investigation then a judge is going to enforce that subpoena. io n then a judge i

going to enfi also want to ask b about this breaking news tonight, about e. jean carroll. she obviously had a big victory in court. in her defamation case, they found that former president trump was liable for sexual abuse of miss carroll. and also lying about her and defaming her, big jury award their. they ordered her to pay $5 million to miss carroll. now, in the wake of that, after he made subsequent, for the remarks around the same lines. as those actionable statements that were previously litigated, they are going back to court, going back to the same judge who heard and presided over that earlier case say listen we're looking for $10 million minimum and potentially substantially more friendly additional statements that he made even after the verdict, what do you make of that action by carroll and her lawyers? >> how perseverance is admirable, i think if i were advising her as a person to just declare victory, stand down, and be on your way,

you've got $5 million and you won. instead i think what he's trying to do here is make a statement and try to get the kind of deterrence that she was seeking in this lawsuit to begin, with because the very next day trump goes on cnn and repeat this very statements that he was found to be liable for for defamation by a jury. so it seems that if she wants to send that message that he cannot say these things with impunity, and she's gonna go in and she's gonna back it up so i admire her for her gumption, and if anything i think her legal claims is even stronger now because they said that she has to prove actual malice that trump knew that what he was saying at falls at the time that he said, that he will certainly was on notice by saying this the day after the voter came down from the jury in new york. >> barb mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and a ph.d. in plain speaking about the law. barb, you always make things really understandable, thank you for being with here us tonight, it's great to see you. >> thank you, rachel great to see you. >> we'll be right back, stay with us!

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