are being shown images made or altered. maybe in a world where it takes no training to tweak reality, we need to trust something other than our eyes. adobe is trying to avoid ethical and legal trouble by only training its ai on its own licensed stock imagery. it will compensate artists to train the ai. that's a different from other companies who have been the subject of lawsuits. >> jake ward, thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," new details on the driver charged with threatening to kill, kidnap or inflict harm on the president, a family member or vice president after running a u-haul truck into barriers across from the white house overnight. with investigators seizing a nazi flag from the scene.

major hurdles remain as negotiators resume debt ceiling talks on capitol hill with speaker mccarthy and his top lieutenants refusing to budge on their key budget demands. >> the president -- i don't understand why they thought this would never come. these are areas i will not raise taxes. we will bring in more money. i will not pass a clean debt ceiling. won't put that on the floor. we have to spend less than last year. the u.s. surgeon general will join me on his new warning about a youth mental health crisis fuelled by social media. this afternoon, president trump will appear in court virtually connected to a court order that he not discuss evidence in the hush money trial, while there's no reporting from "the new york times" today that the special counsel investigating trump's handling of classified documents has subpoenaed records of his business dealings with foreign

countries while he was president. e. jean carroll is asking for more in damages for what the former president said about her one day after she won her civil lawsuit against him. >> i have no idea who this woman is. this is a fake story. made-up story. i swear to -- i have no idea who the hell -- she's a whack job. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington with the fallout from the scare outside the white house overnight. a 19-year-old missouri resident in custody after crashing a u-haul into security barriers in lafayette square just a few hundred feet from the white house. a law enforcement official telling nbc news he made threatening statements about white house at the scene as he was being detained. officers seized a nazi flag found in his vehicle. ryan nobles has been covering the story throughout the night,

morning and what is the latest? >> reporter: that suspect is expected to be in court this afternoon. take a look at the remnants of what he is accused of leaving behind. this is a tire track from that u-haul truck that he then the just drove through this area before smashing into a barrier here. the truck didn't get further. it's not that far from the white house. the security system did hold up. it's important to keep in mind that he was driving a big u-haul truck. that could have been filled with anything, like explosives. that's what led security officials to shut down this entire area, a big swath around the white house, around lafayette park, they even evacuated the hotel across the street from where i'm standing right now. they have cleared the area. as you mentioned, they put the suspect -- put him under arrest without too much of an incident.

he is sai varshith kandula. he is facing a laundry list of charges. among them, being charged with assault with a dangerous weapon, the reckless operation of a motor vehicle and then also threatening to kill, kidnap or inflict harm on a president, vice president or family member as well as destruction of property and trespassing. while this was no doubt a very scary situation, at no point was the president, vice president or any member of the first family in any serious danger. >> before i let you go, according to nbc news, this guy had not been on the radar of secret service. there were no threats, no online activity that they knew about. >> reporter: that's right. at least that's their initial assessment of what's happening right now. we have done our own digging to look and see if there's any social media footprint from this particular suspect and haven't found very much. this really does appear to be a

surprise on many levels to the folks that are responsible for protecting the white house. >> turning to the debt ceiling, talks resuming today. you have been covering it. after the monday meeting, with the president and the speaker, one on one, face to face, both calling that productive. but the two sides still so far apart from any compromise that could win enough votes in the house or senate to raise the debt ceiling and avert a default that could tank the economy. >> we could finish this by june 1st in a time line. 98 days the president didn't want to meet. we are trying to condense everything. the house passed a bill and the senate never passed one. now it's more difficult. what else do you have to negotiate from a lot of perspectives? >> joining me now is kristin welker and ryan nobles staying

with us. the speaker told his conference this morning, the republicans, their caucus, that they are nowhere near a deal yet. what can be accomplished in talks today? as you know, it's a week or so away. they have to have time to get through the house and senate. they need some kind of an extension or something to get anything done. >> reporter: in many ways it seems to be mixed messages from the public statements from the house speaker, kevin mccarthy. he has talked about the talks being productive. he talked about them making progress. then when he talks to his caucus behind closed doors he says the two sides are really far apart. we know that some of the big issues here that are outstanding is the amount of cuts that the white house is willing to stomach, that republicans would like to see a lot more than what the white house is willing to do. we know these negotiations have been going on back and forth. we know the playing field they are working from.

listen to what some of the negotiators said earlier today. >> i don't think things are going well. until the white house understands that they have a spending crisis, they have a tax crisis and they have a debt crisis, we're not going to be able to make this deal. we're not going to be able to move forward. >> the white house, the highest level, needs to understand the urgency of sending their team forward and making sure we understand we have to spend less money next year. >> reporter: we're not going to be able to make a deal. that doesn't sound encouraging. to your point, the clock is ticking. even though june 1st is the deadline, they really need to come up with a deal they can hammer out and turn into legislative text sooner than that. it appears they are nowhere near getting to that point. >> kristin, time running out. the warnings from janet yellen that this is a real deadline. we know that the markets can

react and there could be a downgrade of the whole u.s. government, even before june 1st takes place. is the white house losing the messaging war here? we know they want budget cuts, but they also want tax proceeds and other tightening and some tax loopholes closed. right now, the republicans are all messaging the white house doesn't want any budget cuts and they think the rolback that the hill wants, especially the freedom caucus is demanding, is too severe. >> to your point about messaging, there's no doubt we have seen a loot of kevin mccarthy. we did hear from president biden yesterday before his one on one with the speaker. there's a real question about whether or not we will see an increased engagement by him

publically. however, at this point in time, the strategy here at the white house is limited public statements and to really try to get the work done behind the scenes. i am told the biggest sticking point, the biggest challenge to moving forward with a broader deal is what ryan was talking about, those spending cuts. republicans want deep non-defense spending cuts. the white house says that could hurt health care and education. they have found some areas of common ground. the big one, clawing back covid funds, those unspent covid funds. one official tells me could save $30 billion. when you talk about the overall budget, that's really a drop in the bucket. but the fact that they are talking, they are starting to find some common ground is significant, in terms of tax reform, that is likely off the table. they are still talking about the work requirements. president biden opening the door to the possibility that there could be some tweaks around the

edges. he has taken medicaid off the table. he is not going to accept anything that touches medicaid. could we see some changes to other work requirements that deal with food and housing assistance? that is possible. the clock is ticking. the stakes could not be higher. >> thanks so much to both of you. moving the needle. tim scott gets in. ron desantis is about to. a big tease from glenn youngkin. will more candidates make it easier for donald trump to get the nomination. that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" comes back in 60 seconds. n 60 seconds there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪

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about the style of donald trump and florida governor ron desantis, who is expected to declare this week. >> the truth is that what people really want is an optimistic, positive conservative who has a backbone but also believes the best is yet to come. >> how are you different from ron desantis? >> number one, having an optimistic, positive message that's anchored in conservatism and in optimism matters a lot. >> would you try to overturn an election you lost? >> no. >> what do you think about president trump's behavior after the 2020 election into january 6? >> two things here. we can have a conversation about president trump or about my vision for the future. i will stay on my vision for the future. >> joining me now is susan page, eugene daniels and charlie dent. tim scott released his first tv ad today. he is staying positive.

he seemed to be echoing ronald reagan in his announcement speech. does he have a chance against donald trump or ron desantis given how trump is dominating the field and ron desantis is second by a large measure? >> i wouldn't count any of the candidates out yet. that's tim scott's name. i would say i think he will be formidable. having said that, at the end of the day he and the other non-trump candidates will need to tear the bark off donald trump. they have to attack him hoping that somehow donald trump will go away is a mistake. i don't think it will work going forward. i think tim scott is going to carve out an interesting lane for himself. whether or not his message is one republican voters want to hear, i'm not so sure.

he is running -- he is drawing a contrast with trump in that he is not talking about victimization but aspiration. >> a quick follow-up to you. donald trump praised him in contrast to the way he is handling desantis. is this holding out the possibility of tim scott as a vice presidential running mate for donald trump? >> i think that's always a possibility. i don't know that i would want to be trump's second guy. just talk to mike pence about that. didn't work out so well. the fear that i have is while these candidates jumping in the race -- they are jumping in because they sense a weakness in ron desantis, who seemed inevitable as the alternative. with all these candidates and they are splitting -- they are basically splitting the anti-trump vote multiple ways, which would help donald trump. >> eugene, ron desantis making a play for the evangelical vote as

he prepares to announce this week. tim scott has strong evangelical roots. desantis teased he could potentially shape the supreme court if he is president for two terms versus mr. trump who can only serve for four. what are some of the pitfalls facing him as he jumps in? >> the fact that he seems to a lot of people as trump light. when you talk to strategists who have either worked for donald trump or ran away from him after january 6 or both, what they say is someone -- what people fail to realize is his political acumen is not very sophisticated. he understands the electorate of the republican party. the republican party has largely been about grievance politics. ron desantis is a part of that. he talks about that quite a bit. he used the tools of the state to do that in florida. when you see him out on the

campaign trail doing -- introducing himself to voters, it's a little awkward at times. they knew that was going to be the case going forward. his introduction has been stilted and awkward. donald trump is such a force within the republican party. trying to anyone run in his lane is going to be very difficult. ron desantis is running as someone who is in donald trump image. trying to convince images you should go with ron desantis when donald trump is there is going to be difficult. it's possible he could do it. we might see -- we might be shocked in a year, year and a half. at the same time, this is a republican party in every poll that shows that they are with donald trump. they stayed with donald trump after january 6, after he was indicted. it has not changed. i think that's for all of these candidates a difficult, difficult lift for them to convince these voters they

should go with them over donald trump. >> susan, glenn youngkin is more seriously considering a presidential bid, the virginia governor. he is term limited. he released that ad last week that looked like he was running for president. why do you think he is reconsidering it? he said it would be after the legislative session. he is not going to consider it this year. can he get in that late? he has a lot of financial backing. why is he reconsidering and thinking about it? >> i think all these ambitious republicans have concluded that their nomination can be rested from donald trump and ron desantis may not be the republican who can do that, which is why we see this big field. chris christie may get in in the next week or two or three and chris sununu sounds like a candidate. we are not through with this field being formed. i think all of them see an opening among republican leaders, among republican donors that they would like to take advantage of. i think that november is too

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former president donald trump is due to make a virtual appearance later today in new york criminal court. a judge is expected to lay down the law that trump cannot disclose certain evidence in the hush money case, especially on social media. the protective order comes after trump pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records last month. trump's attorneys call the order extremely restrictive. but the d.a. insists it's necessary. joining us now, vaughn hillyard, former u.s. attorney harry litman and jonathan lemire. welcome all. vaughn, to you. you have been a trump watcher for a long time, since 2015, i think, in iowa one day on a rope line, as i remember. your first encounter. anyway, he is barred from

reviewing the sensitive evidence without his lawyers present. what is the d.a. seeking if donald trump should violate the order? we know that he is not disciplined when it comes to speaking out in defiance or in opposition to what his lawyers are even telling him. >> reporter: right. everything we have watched from donald trump since those 2015 rope lines is evidence that the district attorney took to the judge in order to get this protective order, to bar donald trump from revealing the evidence that is presented to them by -- as part of the discovery process by the district attorney. when we are talking about criminal trial proceedings, there's the gathering of evidence. the defense counsel is able to look at what the district attorney gathered as part of their defense. what the district attorney's concern is that donald trump was going to personally reveal, whether through social media posts or public statements, that

discovery. in order to have a fair trial, wanted the -- the district attorney wanted a guarantee that donald trump was not going to reveal what was discovered ahead of the trial and before a jury was empanels. that's where you saw the district attorney, alvin bragg, go to the judge and get the approval for the ability to, in the case that donald trump were to reveal this discovery and this evidence, that they would be able to bring prosecution forward for criminal contempt in the second degree, which would potentially not only bring a fine but potential imprisonment. this is really trying to put some teeth on an effort to have donald trump not reveal the details of this trial ahead of time. >> harry, in a separate legal issue, "the new york times" is reporting that jack smith in his investigation into the classified documents found at mar-a-lago has subpoenaed the trump organization business documents coinciding when trump was in office.

the records are related to seven countries, including china and saudi arabia. what are you reading into that? do you think there's a nexus between that and the classified documents? or could this be a separate subpoena issue? >> i think there's a nexus. we know the subpoena was looking also for information about a deal that he made after he had already taken the documents. i think this is smith looking to try to figure out, did he do anything untoward with the documents? you see those seven countries. one of them is not like the others. that's france. we know in particular that he showed a real fascination in looking at these classified documents. the reports may not have given information, new information anyway. but the fact that smith was opening up what is a whole different area of inquiry -- if he gave these to anyone or used them for leverage for a business deal, that would be another crime, a serious one. it's sort of a smith did a

couple weeks ago, opening a new area about fund-raising. i think it mainly shows that he is leaving no stone unturned. >> we knew, of course, that he was giving what was considered favorable treatment on any foreign policy context, giving saudi arabia the first foreign trip when all other presidents have given that to mexico and/or canada. taking turns between our closest neighbors. it was very unusual he would go in 2017 to saudi arabia. there was a question about that and the business dealings that his son-in-law and son have had and his treasury secretary with the persian gulf countries in particular. jonathan, yet another legal issue, a new one. e. jean carroll last night filing, trying to use trump's own words against him. she's adding comments he made during the cnn town hall, 24 hours after a jury found him liable for defamation, to

another defamation lawsuit, a previous one against him, this time she's seeking $10 million. what do you make of this? >> it was predictable. there's no shortage of legal issues for the former president. this was pretty obviously. there was speculation that night when trump appeared in that controversial cnn town hall and attacked e. jean carroll, calling her a whack job among other things, denied he knew her, which i might add he did on truth social this very morning. her lawyer suggest they had would look into it. they may file suit afterwards. now they have done exactly that. we will see. it will be some time before we know whether this money is paid out. trump is appealing the original decision. this could take a while. it keeps the story in the headlines. he was -- as much as he deies

it -- found liable for sexual assault of e. jean carroll some 20 plus years ago. even if he is able to dismiss it and if polls suggest it doesn't matter too much right now, well, that could be a different story in the general election, particularly if trump is trying to court women voters, those suburban women voters who were so decisive in 2020. >> harry, of these three issues, which do you think is the strongest case against him, the biggest legal threat? >> i'm sorry, that was for me? >> yeah. [ inaudible ] we will see if he is set up for context, which -- [ inaudible ] >> i think we lost harry's

audio. i think we get your drift. we thank you for all of your legal expertise. of course, jonathan lemire and vaughn hillyard. south carolina's republican-led senate debating a six week abortion ban today. there is pushback from female lawmakers, including republicans. that ban was struck down by the state's highest court in 2021. it is back after clearing the statehouse last week. sam brock joining us now. sam, there's pushback from state republicans, including a female senator who said this is all about controlling women. what are the chances this ban will pass? >> right now, there's a very fragile group of both democrats and republicans in the senate in south carolina that have banded together to prevent voting on this house version of the bill that would ban abortions at

six weeks. there are two states in the region right now that have not deeply curtailed abortion rights. one is virginia, which is more blended politically. the other is south carolina. republicans in the state have not been able to agree how this law should actually play out, how extreme the ban should look. in terms of what's going on at this moment, you mentioned several lawmakers and specifically women -- there's sister senators, five women in the senate, three of them are republicans who have pushed back and said this goes way too far. they said the male colleagues have not been helpful. one tried to ask a question from the majority leader on the floor last week. he didn't even answer her question. they object to some of the amend amendmentes they put on the

bill. the house version defines life at conception, but when the egg is fertilized, not when it's implanted into the uterus, which is wide reaching for medical services in the state. penalties for doctors and providers that could be criminal. they want a ballot initiative for voters. we have seen that in other states. it has been rejected. what will it look like in south carolina? time will tell. it's going to be a busy day. >> sam brock, what a fascinating case. thank you very much. so many overtones for the campaign as well. the debt burden. america teetteeters on the edge. we have more on that coming next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. a mitchell reports" only on msnbc.

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if the u.s. defaults on its debt, china could be the big beneficiary, making the case the u.s. is no longer a safe bet, a world leader of finance. the top democrat on the house china select committee joins me now. it's good to see you. >> thank you. >> how much could president xi take advantage of a default?

>> he would actually exploit it to the max. he and his comrades are cheering and applauding what they view to be economic chaos unfolding here in the u.s. if a default were to occur, they would use it for two ways. one, they would try to explain to people that the u.s. economy is not a safe bet for their investments. two, it would be a huge propaganda win for them, which they would amplify around the world showing that just the way that we govern ourselves doesn't work, and instead, people should opt for their system of governance which is more authoritarian. >> democracy, it's so messy. isn't it? i say ironically. >> they would basically -- xi has made it very clear that he wants the people's republic of china to lead the world in, quote, comprehensive economic influence.

this would absolutely play right into his hands. he couldn't have scripted it better. >> how big a problem is it that china owns at least a trillion dollars in u.s. debt? >> sure. those securities would be impaired in value were we to default on our debt. but that's a hit that they would be willing to take, andrea. for them, the long-term goal in their competition with the u.s. is to help -- is to basically do whatever it takes to undermine. including the payment system which dominates the world, whether for oil or other products that even the chinese need to pay in dollars for. >> we saw that tiktok has filed a lawsuit against montana over the first amendment -- on the

first amendment grounds on the new law banning the social media app. could a legal victory for tiktok strengthen their position as lawmakers are pushing for more bans on social media? >> it could. i think the bigger issue is that i think tiktok and others have a lot of explaining to do at the national level with regard to being beholden to chinese communist party. a recent whistle-blower came out, and another lawsuit involving a former employee also revealed that basically, bytedance is tied into the ccp. in fact, there's a ccp cell embedded within bytedance, and the secretary of that cell is the editor and chief of bytedance. those are facts that they are having a hard time dealing with.

i think there should be a forced sale of tiktok in the united states. i don't think there should be a ban. the biden administration is working with us on legislation to give them the authority to make that a reality. >> today a russian court extend the evan gershkovich's pre-trial detention through the end of august. we have heard little toward a possible release. they denied access by our state department officials, the ambassador, for the last two weeks. what do you make of this? >> as we talked about a few weeks ago, unfortunately in russia, journalism is a crime. free speech, criticizing the russian government, including vladimir putin, is a crime. i have criticized vladimir putin on numerous occasions. for that, i have been banned from russia. i have to explain to my wife, we're not taking a vacation in

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there's growing fear among florida's immigrant community. the law would require businesses with 25 or more employees to check their immigration status and ban undocumented law school graduates from being admitted to the florida bar. gabe gutierrez joins us from miami. explain what else this law does and what workers and advocates are telling you. >> reporter: good afternoon. there's a growing sense of fear among undocumented workers and migrant advocates in south

florida that this will be disastrous for the state in their view. they say that they fear that there's a larger fear than there was during the last several years of the trump administration, because of this law set to take affect. you laid out some of the provisions, including there's a fear that undocumented workers might not go for health care now because of hospitals that receive medicaid now being required to ask for immigration status. also, $12 million being set aside for migrant relocation flights that we have heard about. we spoke with several undocumented workers who are considering leaving the state of florida. some say that some folks that they know, including other migrant workers, already have. i did point out to an advocate that for some supporters, this is what they have been looking for. they want a crackdown on illegal

immigration. >> i tell them, let's wait and see who is going to do the work that no one else is doing. i don't think they would come out and be on a roof taking all the shingle off. they're not going to come and take the weeds out of the plants. or harvest -- pick crops. i will say -- i welcome them to come and do the work that these people are leaving. >> reporter: critics of the desantis administration say this illegal immigration crackdown could lead to a worker shortage. governor desantis has brushed this off and said florida has a historically low unemployment rate. he doesn't believe that will happen. this debate now playing out as governor desantis is expected to announce his presidential run this week, and immigration sure to be a key issue. >> you bet, i'm sure. gabe gutierrez, thanks, again. social distortion. a dire warning today about the impact of social media on america's children. the u.s. surgeon general joins

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there is a significant new warning today from the u.s. surgeon general about social media, and what it means for kids' mental health in what he's calling a safety first approach. dr. vivek murthy says that there is simply not enough data

showing social media is sufficiently safe for our kids, but plenty of evidence it is driving the nation's youth into a mental health crisis. u.s. surgeon general vivek murthy joins us now. great pleasure, dr. murthy. thank you for being with us. this, i saw you this morning, and i thought this is so important. it is personal for you. you have a 5-year-old daughter. she's in preschool. and it is already asking about social media at 5 years old. exactly how can you enforce your advisory or get parents to pay attention? okay, dr. murthy. i'm not sure you're hearing me. let's take a quick break and we're going to try to make it possible for you to hear us. just let's take 30 seconds here. we'll be right back. just let's take 30 seconds here. we'll be right back.

dr. murthy, i think you can hear me now, correct? >> yes, i can hear you now, andrea. >> thank you. i was saying you have a 5-year-old daughter in preschool and was asking you about social media. so, how can your advisory help parents deal with this? >> well, i mentioned this

advisory, andrea, because i've been hearing from parents all over the country who are saying they're concerned about social media and they're asking me is social media safe for my kids? and in the advisory we lay out the publicly available evidence and we conclude there is not enough evidence to say social media is sufficiently safe for our kids. in fact, there is growing evidence that its use is associated with harms for our children. i lay out a number of steps that policymakers and technology companies need to take to ensure that social media is, in fact, safer for our kids, to protect our kids. there are also steps parents can take as well that we can speak to. we can't continue to place the entire burden of managing social media on kids on the shoulders of parents. that's what's been happening up until now. parents need help and we need policymakers and technology companies to step in and provide that support. >> and what do you think they can do in terms of limiting what gets to children? can't there be a device free

zones, the dinner table, for instance, or is that too old fashioned? >> it is not old-fashioned at all. you think about what parents can do, parents can, if their kids are not on social media, they can consider delaying the use -- age at which their kids start to use social media. for my own kids, my wife and i are planning to delay past middle school. that's easier said than done. we're going to look for help from other parents that are similarly inclined. but if your child is already on social media, having a conversation with them about social media, how does it make them feel, how are they using it, what platforms are they on, but also helping them understand what uses are not wise, of what not to share and what they should consider red flags, such as harassment and bullying and reach out for help. these are really important and then having parents also set tech-free zones in their homes to protect kids' sleep, their time in person, with others, and time for exercise. this is really vital to the development of our children. >> dr. murthy, thank you, we'll