advice. talking to them. getting encouragement. now they're passing that experience and knowledge, everything they learned in germany on to the other troops. these are a lot of very, very young guys. some of them of course have kids at home. one of the things that really kind of challenges them when they're on the front lines is thinking about their families back home under those intense russian ariel attacks. but these guys, again, what you hear is training, all will be heading back out to the front lines and getting ready for that counteroffensive any day now. back to you. >> thanks. we've got a lot to cover in our second hour. let's get right to it. t to it. growing fear inside florida following sweeping crackdowns by the governor who signed a strongest antiimmigration law in the country. what immigrants and advocates are telling our team on the

ground. and down to the wire. with nine days until default, where negotiations stand right now as the white house and capitol hill race to strike a deal. plus, a ground breaking new agreement to manage an incredibly precious but endangered resource. the three states working together to ensure the colorado river doesn't go away. also back in court. any minute, former president trump expected to appear virtually in court for the first time since he pleaded not guilty to felony accounts of falsifying business records last month. we'll have a live report from outside the courtroom. our reporters are following all the latest. i want to start in new york. ron allen is there. ron, what's the plan as we know it for today? >> reporter: well, this begins around 2:15, very shortly. as you said, mr. trump will appear virtually. he is not required to be here. most of this is going to be about a protective order. an order designed to protect the

evidence and integrity of the case. it specifies and outryans what evidence can and cannot be talked about publicly and it's aimed at mr. trump and his social media posts. the judge is concerned about the safety and security of court personnel. the witnesses. the judge is also concerned about people trying to influence the jury or witnesses by circulating evidence. it doesn't say what that evidence is and we'll probably find out more about that as the case proceeds but it stops short of a gag order. the trump side insists and rightly so, that he has a first amendment right to speak his mind. he is campaigning for re-election for the white house and we know that mr. trump has used this sort of forum, these sort of attacks against the court system. against the judge, the d.a. here. to his advantage try and rally

his allies. there will likely be pushback to whatever this order tells him he cannot talk about. there's some evidence mr. trump is not going to be allowed to look at outside the presence of his own attorneys. he's barred from copying it, circulating it. that's the kind of language in the order. so we'll see. the discovery process, the process of exchanging evidence moves forward from there. the trial isn't expected to happen until sometime next year but this seems like a big, big step. it will be interesting to see how the judge walked this line of how to protect the integrity of the evidence in the case and the case itself while at the same time, trying to put restrictions on mr. trump and also allowing him to his right to free speech. >> thank you for that. that's about 12 minutes from now. at long last, key states that rely on the colorado river for power and water reached a deal to conserve its resources. steve patterson is live from one

of those states. he is in universal city, california. steve, tell us about this deal and what they hope the impact will be. >> reporter: i'll be up front with you. this deal averts unmitigated disaster. you mentioned that people rely on water from that river. you're talking about 40 million people in water districts, native american tribes and cities across seven states and parts of mexico. right now, the two reservoirs, powell and mead, are dangerously low. they're only about a third full. if they got any less than they are now, you're talking about not being able to generate hydropower for millions and millions of homes and you're risk the possibility of dead pool. where water stops flowing entirely. this deal, if adopted and it still has to be under review by the federal government, would essentially avert that. saves about 3 million acre

feeder show by 2026. is that a lot? yes. is it long-term? foolproof? of course not. you would have to save a whole lot more water than that to reverse climate change, megadrought, chronic overuse for many generations. maybe something like 4 million acre feed every single year. that is millions and millions of gallons of water. but this averts the possibility of an up front crisis so those states can work on a long-term solution. that's why it's being so celebrated right now. >> steve, thank you. now let's talk about those debt ceiling negotiations between the white house and capitol hill. i want to bring in nbc senior congressional correspondent, garrett haake. he says things are not going well. what's the latest you're hearing? >> they're stuck. at the end of the day, this is

about spending levels. they keep walling off sections of the budget they don't want to cut and as the white house has indicated has tried to put other things on the table, tried to spend or save money or achieve some of the same deficit reductions the house republicans want and house republicans are saying thanks but no thanks. take medicare savings. the idea that perhaps the u.s. government could make up some of the costs that republicans want to make up by spending less money on prescription drugs or payments to insurers. here's what happened when i asked kevin mccarthy about that a little while ago. >> how can the white house be interested in that when they said you can't touch medicare or social security? >> you don't think there are savings to be had there? >> no, remember what the president said? >> so that's a cut in your view. >> the president said you can't -- >> i'm asking your opinion. >> okay.

i understand. but i've got to be clear. the president said you can't do anything with medicare social security and now he wants to bring that into the fold. we all heard that from all the people across the country over and over. >> so chris, it just gives you an example. house republicans have taken revenue raisers. closing tax loophole, raising taxes on the wealthy off the table. that leaves cuts mainly to domestic spending democratic priorities. if your recipe here is to put together a coalition that can vote for a bipartisan bill, that ain't it. democrats aren't going to support that. so we go around and around with that deadline moving ever closer. >> thank you for that. later, we'll talk about new potential solutions now on the table to break the stand off. a former aide to paul ryan and john boehner will join me with that. but we want to go to gabe gutierrez in miami where ron desantis' imminent campaign announcement is being met with growing fear among some in the

immigrant community. gabe, you talked with a number of undocumented workers. their advocates. what did they tell you? >> reporter: hi there, chris. good afternoon. this is something that's been building out the last couple of weeks. since the governor signed that sweeping illegal immigration crackdown, which his team views as one of the strongest crackdowns in the country, and cracking down on illegal immigration. not legal immigration. however, many migrant advocates and some undocumented workers we spoke with here in miami and in south florida in homestead where there are many migrant workers, they say there's a growing fear among the immigrant community even more so now than during the trump administration. we spoke with one migrant advocate and i told her many of the governor's supporters support this crackdown. also acquiring hospitals that

receive medicaid to ask for the immigration status and also harsher penalties for human trafficking. i asked one about what she would tell the governor's supporters that this is a good idea. take a listen. >> these are hard working people. they just want a better life. i hear a lot of people, oh, i can -- okay, but do you think someone who is fleeing for instance gang violence or is being persecuted by evil people in their country, they have to time to do everything legally? they don't have the time. it's either flee or die. >> and chris, i spoke with an undocumented worker who said she's been here from 60 years from honduras. hasn't seen her family in all that time. she's considering whether to leave the state. she says for now, she'll stay, but many she knows have made the

decision to leave. and critics of the desantis administration say this could lead to a worker shortage in south florida, however, his administration has pushed strongly on that saying the unemployment rate in florida is extremely low and because of the governor's policies, the economy here is booming, but certainly debate that will certainly play out in the coming weeks as the law is set to take effect july 1st and also as the governor is set to make his presidential announcement this week, chris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. we've got breaking news now about florida governor ron desantis. nbc news has learned he will launch his presidential bid tomorrow evening in a conversation with elon musk. dasha, what are you learning? >> we are first to report that florida governor desantis will officially step into the national spotlight launching his bid for the white house tomorrow night on an event on twitter

spaces with the tech billionaire mogul, elon musk. they will be in a discussion moderated by david sax who is a supporter of the governor. this is an unconventional way to step into this announcement, but what the campaign is looking to do is use the reach of elon musk's more than 140 million twitter followers step by traditional media and get directly at conservative voters. look, the staff, the campaign, the now official campaign almost has watched twitter become an increasingly friendly space for conservative fire brands. they've watched as tucker carlson has migrated his presence and show there an they feel this is a space where he can really have an impact with this announcement. both in terms of reach and in

term of the sort of themes and the contrasts that they can draw between desantis and the other contenders here. particularly between desantis and former president trump. he, as soon as he announced, will become the top challenger to former president trump and of course, as we all well know, twitter used to be his platform. it was his superpower to talk directly to the people on twitter and now it will be florida governor ron desantis that is utilizing it to use it as a spring board for this presidential launch. one of the sources we've been speaking with told us that in the conversations between musk and the campaign, he made it clear that he believes that former president trump cannot win again. he believes that desantis can. that he is the future and the contrast that the soon to be official campaign is looking to draw is just that. they will be looking to draw the contrast of future versus past

of success versus failure, of action versus talk. that is what you're going to see as he steps out into the field officially here and we are going to see him launch a video in addition to this conversation on twitter spaces which of course is an audio platform for audio conversations on twitter but he'll have an official video then next week, he will do a swing through some of those critical early states. hammering his message officially as a presidential candidate, chris. >> dasha first with the big, breaking news that ron desantis will officially announce tomorrow night and he'll do it with elon musk. congratulations on is that and thank you. i want to bring in vaughn hillyard and brendan buck. all right, brendan. if you just want to look at the numbers, you can say, okay, elon musk gets a lot of attention. he has 140 million followers on twitter.

so if you want to make a splash, that's one way to do it. i can also see a scenario where in addition to every day on the campaign trail, ron desantis having to answer to whatever it is that donald trump said that's controversial, he also has to answer for everything that elon musk says is controversial, which frankly happens not infrequently. what do you make of this choice by his campaign to announce this way? >> i think that's a trade he'll make any day. the reason is the most important thing in a primary now and in politics in general is how many eyeballs can you get. donald trump dominates the stage. he blocks out the sun. takes away all or attention. that was always going to be the biggest challenge for anybody. how do you get enough attention to take back the stage? i think this is a really clever way. i don't know anybody with a bigger following than donald trump but elon musk is close.

he can command our attention at any time. at some point, desantis is going to have to stand up on his own but if you're making the trade that the controversy of elon musk is going to bring some attention to you, you have to do that at this stage. >> dasha along with matt dixon who was on the byline of this story says it's not clear yet that elon musk being there is an endorsement although what, the desantis campaign wants to project is that he is supporting us. he said nice things and tim scott. he also had a relationship with donald trump. i mean, there is a guy who knows what he'll do tomorrow. >> i think the fact he's elevating him, the fact we're having this conversation is a

win but not on its own. i don't know that it's so much that elon musk is going to create controversy for him. i think this is going to unleash trump. one of the reasons he's slipped in the polls is that he's been pummelling ron desantis for months now and he's just kind of taken it. i think we can imagine this is going to upset donald trump quite a bit. wouldn't surprise me if it's not too long before we have a statement from donald trump on this and it's going to bring back that fury and at some point, desantis is going to learn how to not just take the punch, but swing back. >> such an excellent point. as per usual for brendan vaughn, what would we expect a statement from trump to look like given the history of these two men? >> first of all, elon musk bought twitter for $44 billion. i guess once you buy a company, you can do what you want with it here and he has access to millions of americans. a platform that frankly a political operation could not

have access to in real time. that is what elon musk guarantees. now elon musk and donald trump, their relationship has sour. you go back to last summer. it was elon musk who on twitter posted after myra flores ran in the special house election in texas and won said she was the first republican he had ever voted for. that was the summer of 2022. at that point a day later, he was asked on twitter by somebody who would you prefer? 2024? i prefer desantis. pointing to the fact it's time for donald trump to go off in the sunset. it's those remarks that set donald trump off on truth social. he then posted a photo of musk with him inside of the oval office saying it was just during my time in the white house that elon musk would get down on his knees and beg me for perks and subsidies and suddenly i'm out of the white house and now he's

thrown me to the curb. that's year, he called him a bs artist. ron desantis is not dumb for turning to somebody who has a megaphone that's unparalleled to anybody else in this country. >> musk isn't shy about having admiration for desantis. brendan, stay with me. the former president speaking of donald trump's criminal case hearing has just gotten underway. all the rules and restrictions the judge has in store for him. we've got details on that coming up next. him we've got details on that coming up next. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ (bobby) my store and my design business? get we're exploding.one on the subway app. but my old internet, was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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right now, donald trump is appearing virtually in front of a judge who says he's quote bending over backwards to insure the former president retains his right to free speech, but the judge is also setting new rules to insure trump doesn't use that free speech to influence trial witnesses and scheduled today's hearing to personally walk trump through them. vaughn is back with me. also with me, msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. i should let people know this literally is happening as we speak. we have a producer who is in the room as you know, vaughn, because you're following the notes, who is telling us what's been happening and something that just struck me is the judge saying that he's free to campaign for president of the united states. this is not intended to impede his campaign. but did you explain this order

to him and one of his lawyers said, yes, he understands he needs to comply. comply with what do we know yet what exactly is in this? >> this is for donald trump. essentially a don't push us. do not reveal the evidence that is brought forward by the prosecutors as part of this trial. the district attorney made the case to the judge that they want to insure this is a fair trial. there has been no jury impanelled at this point and there is that discovery period and in order to help the defense, they get access to the evidence that the prosecutors have on their hands but the concern from the district attorney was that donald trump was going to post all the evidence brought to them on his social media account, take the microphone, reveal it all as an effort to undermine the credibility of the case. that's not how this process works, the judge said. we will hold you in criminal

contempt of the court to the second degree if you break this order and what you just read there was his attorney, donald trump's attorney, acknowledging that his client, the former president of the united states, understands the order and will not be found to be in criminal contempt. >> so just to be clear, this isn't just that he xeroxs something and posts it on his social media. he can't talk about it as well, right? >> yes, for the ability for the prosecution and defense to be able to exchange the evidence that this is sort of an agreement made from the court here and that donald trump, it is not his prerogative to be able to go and publicly share the evidence that the prosecutors intend to present before a jury. >> i'll let you go back to look at what's happening inside the courtroom. i'm going to go to you, charles. how unusual is this for a judge to issue these kinds of rules? >> well, chris, it's not

necessarily unusual in the broader scheme of things but i think it's important to understand we're dealing with a very unusual set of circumstances. rarely is it ever seen that you have a defendant who has this much reach and this much potential to sway a trial while actually influence potential witnesses and also juries. that's an important thing as well. if these items, if this evidence gets out into the public sphere, there's no telling the level of influence that it can have in the court of public opinion. so i think that when you're talking about a defendant who has that much reach and potential to actually influence the public and the conversation around their own trial and eliminate the possibility of a fair and unbiased trial and or jury, you're talking about additional steps that normally you might not see but in a case like this, an unprecedented case where a former president of the united states is being brought up on criminal charges, you have to take these additional measures. >> look, prosecutors wanted a gag order as you know, charles. they didn't get it. that said, could it be the next

step if the judge doesn't like what he sees or hears? >> i think it's something likely on the table, but i don't think it's the next step. i think the judge is going to do everything he can to avoid going to a gag order until last resort. the reason for that is because he wants to avoid any future argument about infringing upon donald trump's first amendment rights that all of us enjoy. he's not going to hastefully enter a gag order because he knows that's going to come with a number of problems down the road. the judge wants to behave in such a way that if he ever gets to that point, it's only because he is left with no other options. so you're going to see him exhaust additional measures if he has to including further warnings to donald trump of admonishment with respect to his attorneys as well, before you see him moving to the step of

ordering a gag order. >> hasn't he been found of contempt before? >> this is part of donald trump's playbook. stonewalling prosecutors' efforts. he was found in contempt of james' investigation into his family and the trump family business. when he, the judge ruled was not turning over all the relevant documents. the trump organization was found to be in criminal contempt in 2021 for failing to comply with multiple grand jury subpoenas as part of the manhattan d.a.'s investigation but also you saw this play out when special counsel's work. when donald trump tried to block mike pence. he tried to block mark meadows and other key advisers from testifying in the grand jury. for donald trump as charles was outlining, this is an effort to stoneall a prosecutorial efforts that he says are meant as political prosecution, but what the courts have found in the

past is contempt. >> so, charles, what i'm reading is that there's been back and forth about whether or not there's been discovery. obviously, donald trump's defense team wants more information from the prosecutors. the prosecutors say it's coming, that they're going to get it to them on schedule. the next hearing according to the judge is going to be december 4th. a lot of people would sit back and say what's taking so long with this. what happens between now and then? >> well, between now and then, chris, what you're going to see is the prosecution is going to be looking through all of its evidence and turning every everything. anything that would exonerate donald trump. as well as anything of relevance that's going to be used as part of their trial. the prosecution however is going to be going through everything they have with a fine tooth comb to identify anything that's particularly sensitive or needs

to remain confidential. at this point, you'll likely see him retract that evidence or seek further protection through a protective order to make sure that evidence does not get out. that could be anything from sensitive material from witnesses, their testimony, or anything they provide. bank account information. this is a paper case at the end o it have day so there's going to be a lot of redacting that takes place before the evidence is turned over. so all of that is going to occur in the coming weeks and months with respect to the evidence the prosecutor's expected to put on at trial and turn over at this point during discovery. >> vaughn, thank you. always good to have you. charles, you're going to stick around. we've got some new reporting now about the sticking points that are preventing a deal on the debt ceiling as time is running out to avoid economic catastrophe. "the washington post" reporting while traders have grown accustomed to washington

periodically flirting with the disaster over the debt ceiling before reaching a deal, some say that sense of calm could evaporate. speaker mccarthy. >> there are certain things that divide us, you know about this. you cannot spend more money next year than you spent this year. clear as day. we've got to help people get back into work. you've got to be able to cut this red tape where people can build again in america. there's a lot of avenues out there they've got to find. you've got to come to agreement. >> i want to bring in kayla tausche back with us. brendan, i want to get into the particular sticking points speaker mccarthy mentioned. president biden pushing one way

is to close the tax loopholes on the rich. realistic or not that they can find compromise? >> i'm sanguine about this whole thing. i feel like all the crazy ideas is because we have time left. every negotiation is like a rubiks cube. this is not a very difficult deal to unlock. we're talking about how deep of a spending cut. how many years. i think we're going to see a few more days of posturing because we have enough time for a few more days of posturing and once we get down to when it is really crunch time, three or four more days to go, i think this will be resolved and you have the right people in the room. you have the right incentives to

get it done and it's not that complicated. i think they're very much on track and hopefully i'm not wrong. but i think we're heading in the right direction. >> kayla, you've got new reporting that the white house is eyeing health savings. mccarthy seemed to throw cold water on that. what are your sources telling you? >> certainly the white house, chris, is looking for ways that it can claim deficit reduction without cutting a really steep number from overall spending levels and in the president's budget in early march, they identified some changes to government payments into some of the medicare programs specifically to drug companies, insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, to the corporate side of medicare that wouldn't affect enrolees or participants in the program. they essentially feel it's low hanging fruit where essentially

the participant would feel nothing different at the end of the day, but the government would get a lot of money from it. both sides have said that medicare will not be touched whatsoever and so the semantics around that might be too challenging a hurdle to get over. but the white house has said for months it wants to introduce revenues. it believes you need to raise more money for the government if you're cutting spending. that has been a red line for speaker mccarthy since the very beginning. but perhaps this is something the white house feels could be revenues by another name and that's how they're thinking about it. my sources say behind closed doors at least in theory, they're open to it. >> brendan, another major divide. work requirements that republicans are pushing for anyone who wants food or housing aid. democrats say this is going to punish the poor. seems like a nonstarter. is this something that republicans put out there because they think that then

they can use it as a deal making? do they really think they can get movement on the democratic side on this? >> last weeks, kevin mccarthy said it was a red line for him to get something on work requirements. i was really surprised by that because i think this is a stretch. i think what we're going to end up with is in the eye of the beholder, whether or not this is new work requirements. you can work around the edges, maybe close small loopholes, but the idea there's going to be a new stringent regime seems farfetched. certainly some of this is negotiating. and maybe there's something that mccarthy's going to be able to hold up as a win. i think at this point, he's going to have to because he said it's a red line. i think whatever they do will be pretty thin, probably on the margins. >> so the red line context, kayla, is important.

you have specific reporting on that discussion. what are you hearing? >> well, the white house since the beginning has been trying to remove work requirements from the conversation. the president believes that introducing stricter requirements could increase poverty and that's not something he wants to happen on his watch and democrats ideologically are opposed to that because the individual circumstances of people on these programs can't necessarily, they say, be swept up into singular policies with a broad brush the way they're being described now. that being said, my white house sources say it is their preference not to do anything on work requirements, but they are stopping short saying they will refuse to engage on that and to be sure, they have been engaging on this. they have been discussing some changes at the edges to programs like the temporary assistance for needy families. also called tanf.

where the president has drawn his red line is around medicaid. specifically, he says that is off limits and we've learned that is officially off the table for now. >> kayla and brendan, thank you both so much. big questions about a fake photo. purporting to show an explosion at the enter gone that set off major panic. does the law say there's a price to pay if a fabrication produces real world problems? we navigate new technology's intersection with misinformation, next. technologys intersection with misinformation, next ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ gain scent beads keep even the stinkiest stuff smelling fresh. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. gain scent beads so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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this entirely fake image went viral yesterday. it's an ai generated photo that falsely claimed to show an explosion near the pentagon and it was shared by a series of verified news and open source intelligence accounts on twitter. as that image spread, it appeared to spook the u.s. stock market with the s&p 500 dropping to a session low. russian state and indian media outlets falsely reported on this fake explosion in d.c. forcing real law enforcement in the area to rush to debunk the story. ben collins is here with me. charles coleman, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst is back as well. so, look. there are false posts, misinformation online every single day, ben. why did this get traction?

>> perfect storm. first of all, technology's getting a little better. the pentagon in this picture was a rectangle so that's a problem. if you're really looking to push a narrative, that's a big explosion. it looks pretty real. if you zoom in, the rails blend together. nothing really makes sense about the image but if you see it right away, you're horrified. you can retweet this. this came from a qanon account. once it gets displaced from that narrative function of qanon, people take it for their own, like russian state media. a couple of places pretending to be bloomberg with an $8 check starting pushing it themselves. >> is there a lane for prosecution when people do something that sets off a real panic? >> i think this underscores the need for greater regulation as we continue to advance around

artificial intelligence and how it's going to be used in the social media and digital space. right now, the biggest question is going to be intention and it's going to be the intention about news organizations and what their level of viability will be. in a situation like this, my answer is it's likely going to be very low liability because while it was an egregious mistake and while those organizations have an obligation to verify the information they put out, that's more a question of credibility. however, if it were a situation where it was known this was a false image and there were people who knew it was false but would seek to stimulate public panic or worse, to actually manipulate the economy or manipulate the stock market, that's when you start getting into the realm of legality and potential liability and wrong doing because now you're talking about potentially a conspiracy to defraud the american people, to defraud the stock market.

but all that is going to be rooted in intention and knowledge of whether the fact, whether you knew this was in fact a false image when you posted it. >> it raises the question about how challenging it is for people to get accurate information and if you see something and it happens to be here you, you get nervous about it. if police have to use resources to respond to something that's fake, how challenging is this going to continue to be as we see better and better ai? >> elon musk is flattening the information in the ecosystem that making it so, that qanon account and nbc news appear on the same plane here, right? in fact, one has a blue check mark and the other does, too. to the regular person's eye, this is the same thing. i don't think it's going to get better because the incentive structure now for these companies is taking as much money as possible and lay off on the content moderation. it's going to be up to us, up to people on the individual level, but sometimes, i would say, sometimes corporations and bad

actors really need this chaos and sometimes politicians really need this chaos. in order to push messages that aren't true that maybe help them personally. >> sort of adjacent to this, charles, yesterday in massachusetts, we saw hoax shooting scares at two high schools. state police even tweeted about a potential active shooter then a police officer who was sent to the school accidentally fired a gun and that prompted new 911 calls. there have been a wave of hoax situations like this one at schools across the country recently. dozens in just the last couple of months. is there a legal venue to curb in that case what is clearly a terrifying issue? >> i think we're going to see an expansion of the notion of not being able to, for example, yell fire in a crowded theatre. what i mean by that, you have a first amendment right until it becomes a public safety threat. the definition of what it is to

threaten the public safety is likely going to be revisited and expanded as we see different platforms and different venues where you are able to manipulate that sense in the public and that sense of safety and create hysteria. i don't know that it exists now, but i do suspect within the next year or so if these things continue to happen and there's no reason they won't because of what ben talked about. the notion of people finding a sick level of joy in taking advantage of this. i think it's going to continue and if it does, we are likely going to see courts respond and someone is going to bring a lawsuit about the way the public safety is being threatened and manipulated by false manipulation and that could potentially lead to deeper criminal regulation. >> so twitter and the blue checks, that's in one lane, but today, the biden administration announced sort of a new plan to look at artificial intelligence and how do we deal with that. tell us what you know about that and could it work. >> it might work.

i do want to say though, we were just talking about is more important. we are currently living in a bad information environment. even before ai. and those things have not been fixed. the concept of swatting, when you call somebody and say there's a shooter at a school or at a home. i'm going to take out the cops when they come here. that has not been really legislated even close to enough and many people died. it's the hallmark of traditional far right harassment campaigns. people died from this. in the last ten years, the campaigns targeting women and trans people have used that explicit thing that happened at the schools yesterday and it's still legal pretty much every to do this or at least the police don't actually look through this stuff. so when we're talking about ai, the future of this stuff, that's in part because there's a big advertising push from the people formally of the crypto industry, to make it seem like this is an all powerful juggernaut. the stuff in the past is what's

making problems right now. both politically -- >> that's not to say that ai could create problems of its own. >> oh, my god. yes, it will. it will enhance the problems we already have. just kick the can down the road in section 230 which would allow twitter or facebook to be held liable for stuff on their platforms. last week, they said we're not going to deal with this right now. so in terms of actually legislating this or killing it from a political standpoint, we are so far behind. >> ben collins, thank you. charles, you're going to be back with me in a bit. in arizona, kari lake's bid to overturn her loss is now at a loss. a judge dismissed her only remaining legal claim ruling she failed to prove her claim. more than six months after election day though, lake has still refused to concede the race. a major record breaking settlement awarded to the family

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accidentally shot himself. his mother's boyfriend, 22-year-old marcus nettles jr., has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. he objected to the charge in court saying it isn't his fault and he didn't quote shoot and kill him. but prosecutors say he was grossly negligent. just last month, michigan governor whitmer signed a law requiring gun owners to keep guns locked in a storage box if kids were present. a move aimed at preventing a tragedy just like this one but that law doesn't go into effect until 2024. meanwhile, a stunning development in one of the most high profile cases. a new search for missing british toddler, madeleine mccann. she disappeared when she was 3 years old while on a family vacation 16 years ago. she was last seen in the same bed in the same room with her brother and sister while her parents were out to dinner.

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projects. an officer smashed the window, tased him then shot him. the sheriff's department said glass was attempting to stab an officer and deputies discussed whether glass may have used drugs. deputies say they asked him to leave the car over a dozen times in an hour of negotiations. i want to bring in charles coleman. there are so many things about this story that i want to talk about. but the settlement in this case, i think this is important, goes beyond the monetary. quote, clear creek colorado has agreed to establish a dedicated crisis response team by 2025. they will train officers in crisis intervention and glass' parents will speak to new recruits to share their son's story. how important is this as part of a settlement? >> first, you have hit the nail on the head when you have a

settlement, you are usually looking at monetary relief. in this case, the injunktive relief is super important. it's important to understand in a global context that per capita, united states police officers, police officers in america, receive literally a fraction and one of the lowest fractions of actual training as compared to police officers throughout the world. so globally on a global scale, u.s. police officers are trained far less than other officers of other countries. the significance of that is that they are ill equipped to handle situations like these where individuals are experiencing mental health episodes. so now you're talking about an undertrained police force that is being called and dispatched and being underutilized and have not dedicated the resources to help police officers handle these situations or other agencies that would be able to be responsive to people's

specific needs when they are having these types of breakdowns. so the relief in a case like this is critically important because all too often, american police are being called to situations where they simply had no business. >> we only have a minute left but the shooting happened last june. took nearly half a year before charges were brought then last month, a judge rejected the bid from two indicted officers to have their cases thrown out. what is the precedent for legal culpability here? >> it's going to be the standard of care for you as an officer. in both instances, i think we're seeing a settlement primarily because we know that in both cases, that standard was not met. the reasonable care of you as a police officer in a situation where someone is having a mental breakdown and poses no threat does not rise to the level of you using nonlethal force in a taser and then lethal force in shooting them to address the situation despite the fact you

tried to negotiate as long as you did. so when you're talking about that then the notion of lethal force being used, all those things were violated even if you tried to consider the officer's argument that he was attempting to stab one of the officers. everything about the situation says the officers and the way they behaved ultimately in the use of a taser first then the firearm, is -- and that's why we're seeing this settlement take place. >> charles, always great to have you. thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. with katy tur reports right now. we've seen what happens when donald trump's back is against a wall. he comes out swinging and usually aims low.

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