tried to negotiate as long as you did. so when you're talking about that then the notion of lethal force being used, all those things were violated even if you tried to consider the officer's argument that he was attempting to stab one of the officers. everything about the situation says the officers and the way they behaved ultimately in the use of a taser first then the firearm, is -- and that's why we're seeing this settlement take place. >> charles, always great to have you. thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. with katy tur reports right now. we've seen what happens when donald trump's back is against a wall. he comes out swinging and usually aims low.

so what will happen if his hands are tied? former president trump appeared in new york courtroom this afternoon. this time via zoom, in the hush money case involving stormy daniels. this hearing, the first since he pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records last month laid out what donald trump and his lawyers can and cannot say publicly about the case. more on what that entails in a moment and what was said in the courtroom. also in manhattan today, another lawsuit against the former president. this one familiar. e. jean carroll has amended her suit against donald trump. she's now asking for at least $10 million in damages after she says donald trump defamed her again, calling her a whack job at the cnn town hall he participated in the night after he was found liable for sexual

abuse. we'll also explain how that case will proceed. joining me from outside the courtroom now for that hush money case first is lisa ruben. lisa, you were inside that room. you saw the former president on the zoom. tell me what the judge said. tell me what the president said. >> let's start with the president's demeanor. he looked dour and unhappy as i've seen him in a long time. the judge said the march 25th, 2024 trial date is firm in the hush money case is firm. he expects all parties and counsel to clear their calendars and at that point, donald trump went like this and scowled. that was what provoked his greatest eyre during the hearing. the judge also reviewed the terms of the protective order with donald trump but not line by line.

he asked him if he had a copy of the order and asked his counsel, have yu reviewed this with your client? does he have any outstanding questions about the terms and most importantly, does he understand this is my mandate and if he violates it, sanctions will be containing criminal contempt. >> that is a very big deal. when talking about the protective order, why would they need one against trump? >> because donald trump used information or misinformation to his vangs whenever he can. here, the protective order prohibits him from even talking about the contents of those materials on his truth social account or other social media. he's also not even allowed to

maintain his own copy of a certain subset of those materials. if and when he sees it, he has to in the presence of his lawyers because he has shown time and again that when left to his own devices, he will talk and talk and talk and not always with the truth in mind and sometimes in a way that intimidates witnesses or puts people's health and safety at risk including that of the judge in the courthouse behind me. >> so march 24th trial date. smack dab in the middle of primary season ahead of the presidential election. lisa, that's going to happen. let's talk now about e. jean carroll. we were wondering if she would file another lawsuit after what donald trump said about her at the cnn town hall. she said she was weighing it. now she and her lawyer say yes, they're going to do it. explain that to us. >> i will. we, you and me and people like

us, are really focused on what donald trump said at that cnn town hall but e. jean carroll has had a case that is open since 2019. having to do with donald trump's initial denials of her allegations of sexual assault. and that case has been waiting for a decision largely because trump was president at the time and there's been a bunch of legal skirmishes about whether he can be held liable. carroll yesterday told the judge of the southern district of new york, not only does she intend to bring that case forward, but she thinks trump should be liable for punitive damages to her because after earlier this month about a jury verdict, he then went on cnn, repeated those again. think about it as a sandwich. the verdict we have is a layer. she's seeking damages before that as well as punitive

damages, post verdict, on cnn. >> thank you very much. joining me now is former manhattan assistant attorney to talk about the hush money case and danny to talk about the carroll case. i want to stick on carroll to give us not so much of a sense of whiplash here. is it, how strong is her case asking for more damages now that trump has gone out and continued to they argue, defame her, even after he was found liable for sexually abusing her? >> we know her case is strong because she won it. at least she won what's called carroll two, the second of two cases that are pending or still in the court. >> it's all very confusing. >> it is, but in a way it isn't. as the district court judge said in one of the opinions, the cases involve the same issue. whether it's defamation or civil rape or sexual assault, they're all the same because there is no

defamation unless there is sexual assault. so the underlying issues are identical. that's the reason for these filings. the attorneys are saying these issues are already decided. there's a principle called collateral stop. just a fancy word for once an issue has been decided between two parties and the defendant had a chance to litigate it, the court should decide it so you don't have to go to trial again. that's what the plaintiff is trying to do. >> we were initially talking when she said she was considering this about whether she would have to file in new hampshire because that's where donald trump said those things. tell me about why it's not new hampshire and why they have an argument to just add this on to the civil rape case. >> because in the modern reach of statements, where they're published, because of the internet making things accessible, you don't necessarily have to file in new

hampshire in order to get jurisdiction or even have venue in a particular place. because there's an existing case here in new york, the strategy is this. the plaintiff is instead saying can we just amend our original complaint and go back to when we first filed it, amend the complaint and we'll add these new allegations. no need for a new case judge, a new courthouse. this existing complaint is enough on what the case called carroll number one then we'll add these new allegations and they're already decided. it's a good strategy. >> what happens next? >> the judge essentially has to decide on whether or not the judge is going to go with the plaintiff's suggestion, which is deem these issues decided, allow the plaintiff to amend, add those new allegations from cnn. you can imagine if trump says something else about the plaintiff, you may see yet another request to reamend the complaint.

this could go on forever. i am skeptical of calling defamation when somebody denies allegations against them. in trump's case, he goes beyond that. it's one thing to say i deny these allegations or they're not true. calling someone a whack job steps over the line. >> he said i wouldn't want to know or touch her. i've never abused her or raped her or took her to a dressing room 25 years ago. it never happened. is a total scam. unfair trial. we're going leave that there on e. jean carroll. back to the hush money case and this protective order. rebecca, from your legal standpoint, help us understand what this means. >> both cases really lie at the intersection of the first amendment and our justice system and there's a limit to everybody's first amendment rights. that limit comes when they harm somebody as in the e. jean carol case or when their words may

interfere with an ongoing criminal proceeding in a significant way or threaten some harm against some of the participants. so this protective order is designed to narrowly address those situations, try to prevent those situations in which there is some kind of actual harm to this, to the ongoing justice system while still allowing core political speech to go on like it or not. the president did not, is not under a gag order and he can still comment about the case but in terms of talking about this particular discovery as lisa was saying, it's barred from doing that in a particular way because it could cause actual harm. >> so the judge as you made clear and i'll make it clear again. the judge was trying to make it clear this is not a gag order. this doesn't violate first amendment rights especially since he's running for president again, but in talking about the discovery, how clear is the line for donald trump? are there specific documents that are marked do not discuss

and other documents that are marked okay to discuss? >> it's very particular. other documents he can only review them in the presence of certain attorneys. this was clear and it's important this was made clear to the former president today. because if there were in the future to be a violation of this order, it would be quite simple for there to be contempt charges because all you have to show in order to bring a criminal contempt charge is that there was an intentional violation of an order. so this reading in detail of the order to him and making sure he understands it sets the groundwork and makes it very clear to him that if he steps over this order, which is quite clear and detailed, that if he violates it, there will be consequences. >> what are the consequences? >> you get in trouble with the judge but the challenge i see here is that'ven though the

order is detailed, it's hard to anticipate every situation. for example, checks that donald trump wrote to michael cohen. they're trump's checks. they're going to be in discovery but they're his. they're in his checkbook presumably somewhere. so is he prevented from disclosing his items? that's an example of how tricky this can get. trump may find a way to troll that order. >> we'll watch it. danny, rebecca, thank you very much. and coming up, what the special counsel wants to know about the trump organization's foreign business deals. plus, what is on the table and what is off the table in the debt negotiations? we have reporting on what could make the deal move. also, what was a teenager doing trying to ram a u-haul into the security barriers by the white house. we're back in 60 seconds. y the white house. we're back in 60 seconds sign bu? we're exploding. but my old internet,

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two sources tell "the new york times" that the trove of documents from mar-a-lago has subpoenaed records from the trump organization on foreign business deals dating back to 2017. joining me now, peter baker. this is reporting done by your paper, peter. walk us through what jack smith is looking for. it appears. >> jack smith, right, special counsel has subpoenaed the trump organization for information about any potential business deals with seven different specific countries including russia, the uae, a number of other ones where we know the president has had a past. what he seems to be looking at is there a nexus between these documents taken and any potential money making ventures the president was up to since leaving office which would help

explain why. one of the things we have seen so far is a complete mystery as to why he took them. he's been defensive. i had every right to take them. i'm the president, all these things, none of which are true, at least the way he presented them. but he's never offered an explanation as to why he took them. >> the motivation factor here. how essential is that for jack smith to prove that there was wrong doing? >> i don't think it's necessary as i understand. i'm not a lawyer, but he only has -- wasn't supposed to take the documents. he refused to give them back after being subpoenaed for it. that's the question the lawyers are going to be debating. for what reason he did it might not that be important. but you can see why prosecutors would want to explain it because it could of course enhance any case he might choose to bring if he can explain the reason for it with something less than al

truistic, but more about making money. >> i'm wondering does this signal anything about a timeline for jack smith and when he might make a decision on whether to charge the former president. every day that goes brings us closer to the 2024 election. and i imagine makes his job, jack smith's, seem more complicated. >> yeah, this particular information about what they're seeking doesn't really help us understand except to know they are widening the investigation beyond. that does suggest a time requirement but we don't know when he's planning to take action, if he is taking action and you're right. that's something they're acutely aware of there. the politics of this is fraught. the sooner they do it, the less likely they are to be accused, to interfere in the election. if they were to bring an

indictment tomorrow, they would be accused. let's just make the best case possible and not worry that much about the timing. the later they go, the deeper into the primary season they go, the harder and hard this becomes. >> peter baker, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. just want to read this statement from the trump organization to the "new york times." while the organization has for decades been a global real estate empire, we made a strict pledge to not enter into foreign deals while the president was in office. a commitment the company fully complied with. that's a spokesperson for mr. trump. anyway. now to 2024. nbc news reports florida governor desantis will officially get into the race tomorrow launching himself with the help of elon musk. joining me now for more on this is dasha burns. this is your reporting. tell us what you know. >> all right. so here is what you can expect just over 24 hours from now, the long awaited launch of ron

desantis' presidential campaign. he'll be launching it on twitter spaces, twitter's platform for having audio conversations. it will be in a discussion with elon musk and it will be moderated by david sax, a former paypal ceo and confidant of elon musk and supporter of governor desantis. this is an unconventional way to launch a presidential campaign, but it sort of makes sense for a candidate looking at the field, looking at how trump does things. looking at how tim scott just launched his campaign. he is not the guy that's going to give a sermon style speech in front of a crowd but this is a way that he can bypass traditional media, right, and he can use the reach of elon musk's more than 140 million twitter followers. you know, the campaign according to the sources i've been talking to has been watching twitter as

it has become an increasingly friendly space for conservative fire brands under elon musk's control and they see this as a platform not just for that reach, but also as a way to sort of contrast desantis with trump. the sources i've been talking to tell me the way this campaign is going to be frame school district is future talk versus action and this is a way with an all lie who is supportive of desantis and musk, who is very much future looking. sources have told me that are familiar with conversations tell me musk has signalled he does not believe former president trump can win a general election. that he wants to see a republican win the white house and he believes that it is florida governor desantis who can do that. how this exactly will be executed remains to be scene. we know they will be having a

discussion at some point. the governor will announce he is running for president, a formal launch video will follow on twitter and across various platforms. we know that the following week, he'll swing through those critical early states, but this is what we've been waiting for. it is coming in a format that i don't think a lot of folks expected but the campaign hopes that this will really be a splashy way to jump on to the stage here. >> thank you very much. coming up, speaker mccarthy speaks to nbc's garrett haake. what he said about a default. and you'll have to get through us first. what five bipartisan female lawmakers are trying to stop in south carolina. e trying to stop south carona with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity.

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solve and we should hold to absolutely no less than the house position right now. >> joining me now, monica alba and nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake. so monica, lay out what is on the table and what is not on the table. >> there's still so much on the table that that really is representative of where these talks are. there are some possible areas of cooperation but there are still major disagreements when it comes to spending cuts. republicans want more of them. frankly more than the democrats are willing to accept at this point. also, for how long some spending caps could last. republicans want again a completely different number than democrats. the issue of work requirements, which would apply to some federal benefits. that's something that the president had said himself he didn't want touched for certain programs but was open to others. and then for how long they could

punt this debt ceiling issue to. the democrats and president want something like two years where republicans want something shorter which could put us back closer to the presidential election next year. those are still things being talked about, but in terms of thins that are off the table, the president and white house said they would love to tax wealthy americans. republicans aren't interested in that. so there are at least some things like that we can say that have been a part of these discussions that now have moved to a different area and then in terms of the couple of areas of cooperation, things we've been talking about for a couple of weeks now here on your show. things like permitting reform and clawing back some unspent covid money. which we're talking about 30 billion.

it could be a drop in the bucket when we're talking about the amount of money that democrats and republicans and then raising money as the president still wants to do. those graphics show these sides are still miles apart. there's a major gap that does not seem to be tightening. as the time crunch does and as we get way closer to that judge june 1st deadline. >> some negotiators are easier to get a hold of others, easier to corner as they walk down the hallway. garrett, you were able to catch up with speaker mccarthy. >> he's been flooding with zone and he rarely gives specifics about where things are he's made a couple of things clear. first of all, that the biggest, brightest red lines, that the federal government is going to have to spend less in 2024 than it did in 2023.

where that number falls, whether it's somewhere between the '22 and '23 numbers could be the goldilocks zone here. that's what we heard from garrett graves, the negotiator who's been working with mccarthy. he's not showing many of his cards. here's what happened when i tried to ask him about the length of time for those spending caps. >> i know you guys ask all those things. i would like it out longer. nothing gets agreed to until everything gets agreed to. >> mark that one down on one of your washington negotiation cliche bingo cards. in this case, it's true. it starts with the top line number and once you see it get locked in, then you can turn the dial.

how far do we extend the limit? might cost you longer on the spending caps and everything falls into a range after that gets settled but until it's settled, you'll hear a lot of what we've heard over the last 24 hours. productive conversations, but nobody giving ground and no clear path forward. >> so i have a member of the freedom caucus coming up now and i want to ask you before i go, does mccarthy feel like he needs the caucus? >> mccarthy's position is that they are starting with the bill passed through the house at every member. but i think the reality is the minute there's an agreement with biden, 25 to 30 members are going to drop off and are unlikely to vote for it. the final recipe of how many members from which party will vote for a bipartisan deal probably does not include many freedom caucus members. >> let's ask one of those.

joining me now is republican congressman, bob goode. got a poker face on, sir. are you going to vote for a bipartisan deal? >> well, the house has done its job. we spent 90 days negotiating a debt ceiling increase. the president and senate were nowhere to be found. no republicans wanted to increase it. we haven't had since world war ii. $32 trillion of national debt. however, republicans were responsible and reasonable and as you know, we have come together with a to raise the limit for real cuts and reforms. we expect senator mccarthy and republicans to remain united.

that is bill the senate needs to pass. 45 senators have signed on being in support. that means the senate can't pass anything else without those 45 senators. my hope would be the that schumer and the president would not suffer any consequences. >> a lot of republicans have voted to raise the debt ceiling in the past. including under republican presidents. your colleague, matt gaetz, said that the deadline this june 1st deadline, that a default isn't real. that it's made up. how do you feel about that? >> to clarify what i said, most republicans in the house today have never voted for a debt ceiling increase. what is your question? >> matt gaetz said just ignore these negotiations. >> what he's speaking to is there's no ex day, june 1. now we're hearing it might be july 1. where there's going to be some dramatic catastrophe.

if president biden and schumer doesn't agree to raise the debt limit or the bill that's been passed, you would begin to have the inability for us to fund the spending that's been voted on over the last couple of years, you would have eventually have forced $100 billion reduction in spending because we're bringing in a record $400 billion on a monthly basis. we are spending about $500 million. we could not continue to do that. but there's more than enough revenue to pay the interest on the debt, which is only about $70 billion a month, to fund social security, veterans and self-defense. we hold the line. that's what we need to do. >> so you're saying just hold the line. i hear you there. let me ask you about taxes. raising taxes. i know you weren't in congress

for the trump tax cuts and that bill, but according to the cbo, that added $1.8 trillion over 11 years. that is a big addition to the national debt. why would you not put taxes back on the table for the very, very rich among us and corporations? why would that not be a part of the discussions if you're talking about trying to lower the deficit. >> we don't have a revenue problem. >> but we do. we have a spending problem. >> which i was not here, i would have voted for it. that's why we have a record $400 billion in revenue. if we went back to pre covid spending, about 4.5 trillion, it would mean a half a trillion dollar surplus with current revenue levels. we don't have a revenue problem. by the way, 80% of americans in

the polls say they either don't want the debt ceiling raised. so combine 80%. 60% say they want it raised with cuts and reforms in place to put us on a path to fiscal responsibility. the biden schumer position is only supported by 20% of americans. >> let me ask the question here. would you vote to extend the trump tax cuts? >> absolutely. >> the cbo said that would add -- excuse me, that would add $3.5 trillion to the deficit. >> a 1 to 2% anemic biden growth. we've got to get back to 3 to 4% that was fuelling our economy previously. so it's growth as well as cuts that will get us on a path. >> let me ask you a question about the deficit though. if you were going to vote to extend those tax cuts, that's a 3.5 trillion add to the deficit for the cbo. that is a big addition. if you want to cut spending and

you want to get us on a path to a balanced budget, it seems like that would be in conflict. >> that's historically just inaccurate. every time we cut taxes -- >> no, it's not historically inaccurate. >> democrats predistricted in 2017 when we had those, we would have a reduction in revenue. and the democrats lie and say the deficit and the national debt has grown because of the tax cuts. when you grow the pie, you only have to take a smaller percentage of it to fund the government. that is in large part because the trump economic policies including the tax cuts. >> it's not the democrats. it's the cbo that says this. not naming democrats. i'm giving you the congressional budget office. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. we do appreciate your time. >> great to be with you. thank you. coming up, a teen arrested for crashing a u-haul into a set

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opportunity to keep up with the demand. >> reporter: and of course it raises ethical problems what are you doing to take responsibility? >> we reproduce content credentials. >> reporter: so maybe where it takes almost no training, we can trust something other than our ice. and they want to avoid legal trouble by only training it on its licensed stock imagery. and they want to compensate its work. back to you. >> jake ward, thank you very much. coming up next, what five bipartisan lawmakers are doing in the south carolina statehouse

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the south carolina senate is take being up a six week abortion ban today. but the same five women who blocked the previous one is vowing to block this, the fourth attempt by the chamber to restrict abortion. and joining me now is sam brock. so they will try to block it.

how successful do they believe that it will be? >> reporter: this has been going back and forth for a year. here is the situation. you are talking about a state in south carolina where a republican supermajority and they are baing do have a complete ban or that fetal heartbeat. and they say that the legislation just goes too far, a decision that should be made between a woman and her physician, her husband or partner and that is not what is happening here. and they are also objecting to amendments. and it begins with a fertilized egg, not when it actually implants in the uterus. and one opponent said that is starting the clock two weeks

early. and it removes the section that allows up to 12 weeks of pregnancy for minors. but there are exceptions for rape and incest. and so we're talking about doctors fearful perhaps that they somehow breach the six week time line. these are some of the changes that the folks in the senate that oppose the bill have really pointed out. this is an important point. south carolina is the only state that has not severely curtailed abortions. and they went from seeing 87 out of state abortions last year to more than 1,000 last year because states like florida or north care carry have pulled back their laws and made it harder to access abortions.

and so women are driving farther and farther and eventually having no options. >> so if they are able to pass this, this would mean that virginia is the only state in the region where the access would be available for longer. the women blocking this currently are trying to get some of the rules changed to make it more ppalatable. will two or more sign on if the others in that chamber say yes? >> reporter: a couple previously had agreed to a six week ban. but worth pointing out that lot think that it is something you should take to ballot initiatives. and we've seen that kansas and kentucky are recent examples. >> and interesting. sam brock, thank you very much. and in nebraska, the

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