this was the photography that we got you can see it right there. we spot chatted where donald trump can be seen, hands clasped flanked by his lawyer and flags behind him as he was warned or admonished by the judge of what his obligations are that he cannot publicly disclose evidence or as he was warned in the first hearing threaten or use his public platform to attack the system. this is unusual. this is the news we're all living through and years ago might have be considered unthinkable and people might say okay, i'm used to it, wake me when it's over, but we now know when it will begin in earnest in march of next year, the trial of a former president. msnbc coverage continues on that and many of the stories and "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> tonight on "the reidout". >> so do you think that because of your investigation that is

what's moved this needle with the media? >> absolutely. absolutely. there's no question. you look at the polling and right now donald trump is seven point ahead of joe biden and trending upward. joe biden is trending downward. >> another republican says the quiet part out loud, brazenly admitting that his party's anti-biden crusade is nothing more than a time wasting political stunt to help trump. jamie raskin joins me to respond. as governor, high school teacher and author. wait until you see some of the things he wrote in a little noticed 2011 book on the founding fathers and president obama. and later, a san francisco journalist goes under cover to give us a rare behind the scenes look inside the republican party's anti-trans agenda.

we begin tonight with the return of the twice-impeached, criminally indicted former president in a new york criminal courtroom today. it was donald trump's first appearance in this case, though he did so virtually from florida since he pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records last month in the hush money case involving adult film actress, stormy daniels. judge marshawn brought trump in with the sole purpose of trying to explain to the man who has benchant for attacking people who he is displeased with and what he can and cannot do with the evidence that his legal team has been provided, and records of witness interviews and grand jury testimony and blasting it out on his pretend twitter to attack witnesses. the judge's protective order had already singled trump out saying he is only allowed to review

certain sensitive material in the presence of his lawyers. the judge also warned trump that failure to follow the rules could be held in contempt, michael cohen says he has little faith in his boss. >> i have less than zero confidence that donald will abide by any of the terms of the protective order. the anger toward the system holding him accountable is so severe he will not be able to control his actions. he is like a petulant child. >> we were learning more details on another one of trump's legal battle, the special counsel's investigation into classified dumbs found at mar-a-lago. "the new york times" is reporting special counsel jack smith has subpoenaed records of trump's former business deals spanning back to 2017 when he was first sworn into office. the focus is on records related to seven countries including china and saudi arabia.

the times writes that investigators have cast a wider net than previously understood, even though it was unclear what the prosecutors were hoping to find. this comes as "the wall street journal" claims that the special counsel is wrapping up its probe having all, but finished obtaining testimony and other evidence in the criminal investigation and that is according to people familiar with the matter. i am joined now by mary mccourt, an msnbc legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general for the national security division of the doj and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. lisa, i am going to start with you. you were in the courtroom. set the stage. i understand there were lots of large american flags. >> there were lots of large american flags and that's because the former president was making his appearance by videoconference. he was in florida, we believe, at mar-a-lago with his attorney todd blanche, and they basically were blanketed with american flags behind them as if to wrap themselves in the protective

mantel of the flag or the trappings of the presidency and what i saw today was the stripped down donald trump who has been basically taken the security blanket of the presidency away from him. he only had one lawyer with him and one lawyer in the courtroom. his lawyer joe tacopina was not present today and the judge issued on the record the issue of whether tacopina can represent trump is still on the table. why? because he consulted with stormy daniels well before this case ever began and his lawyers allege that presents a conflict of interest for him. >> lisa, did donald trump, just looking at that screen seem to understand or did he acknowledge, did he nod in agreement indicating that he understands what the judge was telling him he is not allowed to do with evidence? >> it's interesting, joy, because the judge said he was not going to do a line by line recitation of the protective order. he said he's never done that in a case before with any other defendant, and he wasn't going

to do it here. instead what he did was ask a series of questions designed to put on the record that trump did so understand and he asked trump if he had a copy of the protective order and those were the only three words trump spoke the entire time, yes, do i and he asked todd blanche, his lawyer, have you reviewed this with your client? does he understand that this is a mandate of the court and that violations can lead to sanctions including criminal contempt? you need to advise your client of that to which he said i understand. joy, one of the things i want to point out to you is the rare agreement between the judge and the lawyer about something trump himself disagrees with and he sees this order as a violation of his amendment rights and he went to truth social and said as much, but the lawyer and the judge said that's not the intent of this order. it's not a gag order. it's designed to protect the witnesses, the investigators and the judge himself from some of

the threats that donald trump unleashes via social media. >> mary, what if he doesn't go along? what if he still goes out and blasts out, you know, evidence in this case on truth social? >> i think if he violates the protective order, i think you will see the prosecution bridging that to the attention of the judge. i think you will see a hearing and the judge calling him back to court whether in person or remote and telling him to show cause and why he shouldn't be held in contempt. >> what does that mean? i think for donald trump he's lived however old he is, 77 odd years violating the rules and getting away with it and nothing ever happens but a slap on the wrist. does it mean jail? does it mean a fine? >> it could be civil contempt and criminal contempt and that sometimes means jail. i think it's probably unlikely here unless there are multiple instances of contempt which is certainly possible and i think it is likely that you will see

this particular judge sending him to jail. i think he will give him a stern warning and a fine and that was the whole point was to have a warning. >> yeah. and i think -- you know, i hear michael cohen saying it's just going to be hard for judge to resist not violating this. >> you know why michael cohen says that? because he knows him. donald trump, this is attacking the d.a. after he was arraigned the first time on the 34 felony counts. >> criminal is the district attorney because he illegally leaked massive amounts of grand jury information. [ cheering ] for which he should be prosecuted or at a minimum, he should resign. >> i have a trump-hating judge with a trump-hating wife and family whose daughter worked for kamala harris and now receives money from the biden-harris campaign and a lot of it. >> lisa, he's talking about the judge in the case that you just

witnessed today. so was there a sense that this judge, what was his demeanor like? did he seem fed up with trump's antics? because he's in pre-violation in terms of attacking the judge. >> you know, joy, it's interesting because the two clips they just played they wouldn't put donald trump in violation of the protective order. they're certainly offensive and yes, we could argue that they endanger the judge and his family and manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and his family, but what the order is designed to do is to prevent trump from posting the evidence, and it is to preventing from his own copies as you noted in the beginning of the segments of these types of documents and criticizing the judge himself or issuing misinformation of the judge or the d.a. and that's not prohibited here. the judge was very clear, this is not a gag order and your client is free to campaign and free to defend himself and he is

free to do anything except violate the terms of this order. >> and the i think this case would go to trial in the height of the campaign. let me play what george conway had to say about what he thinks donald trump's future is. take a listen. >> i mean, ty cobb, white house counsel who handled in the trump administration, handled the mueller investigation went basically went on national television and said trump will go to jail for this, and he should and he will and the case is just so strong as illustrated that all of the lawyers had to testify. >> this is actually on the classified documents case. do you agree with him on the classified documents obstructing the attempt of the national archives and lying over and over again about not that. >> jail is another thing. i think he will be convicted and that's a big prediction, and i

don't usually do that. what we've heard and what we've seep jack smith doing really does suggest that there is a deliberate attempt to obstruct the investigation. >> i feel like jack smith seems like a bad boy. he seems like a tough guy, but do you think that the actual attorney general of the united states merrick garland has it in him to indict donald trump? >> i think he does. he's made it clear in his public statements that accountability is important, not just for the jp jan 6th investigation and that jack smith is leading for the mar-a-lago investigation and i don't think he would have even taken that step, honestly, if he wasn't prepared to go away. >> we know that donald trump isn't capable of containing himself or restraining himself. e. jean carroll is going back and saying i want punitive damages in the town hall he attacked her again, and what are

the chances of her getting more settlement money? >> i think they are strong. most of the issues in her case have been decided and if they haven't been decided they can be decided briefly based on briefing. they pertain to statements trump made while he was president in 2019 and it extends to the staple he made on cnn earlier this month one day after her verdict. she has every right to seek those, and to also show this is willful behavior the day after i achieved a jury verdict there he goes again, telling the same lies he's been telling about me since 2019. she has a strong case, and i think it will continue to proceed in the court. >> my last question, mary mccord, you will have a lot of cases with donald trump's case on them and trump v. whoever, right? you potentially have one in

georgia. you potentially have the investigations on two fronts on january 6th and on documents and of course now you have this local case, this d.a. and these 34 counts in manhattan. do you think that that -- those atmospherics do give the justice department and the election that the fact that this guy is a front-runner and he could be for the nomination, and think it will impact the timing on these at least for the federal investigations, the only way is to make them finish, and if donald trump were to be under indict am and, if that thiel hnt been concluded that would be the end of that case. >> maria mccord, lisa rubin,

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as the united states teeters on the edge of defaulting on its

debt, republicans are holding firm to demands to gut programs for the poor and working families and they're wasting time. literally. on monday, house oversight committee chairman james comer said the quiet part out loud about his pointless investigation into the biden family which found nothing. >> so do you think that because of your investigation that is what's moved this needle with the media? >> absolutely. absolutely. there's no question. you look at the polling and right now donald trump is seven points ahead of joe biden and trending upward. joe biden's trending downward. >> if that sounds familiar, here's the then-house majority leader with the benghazi investigation in 2015. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. >> genius. that off-script revelation cost

kevin mccarthy a shot at becoming speaker in 2015, but now that he's got the gavel after 15 votes he's doing his best to placate his caucus' fringe over the debt limit. matt gaetz said a new house rule allowing one member to force mccarthy out as speaker has given maga republicans the best version of kevin negotiations, adding that maga conservatives reject compromise with the white house because, quote, they don't feel like we should negotiate with our hostage, unquote. republicans claim that the white house is not showing enough urgency about negotiations, the republicans who run kevin are literally wasting your time and goofing off and playing games and holding 100,000 auctions for used lip balm which is actually disgusting and trolling on twitter like they have all of the time in the world because they actually don't care about the deficit or the debt, y'all. the only things that these maga

trolls care about are kicking low-paid working-class people for fun, sucking up to donald trump and just like matt gaetz said out loud, holding america hostage. i am joined now by maryland democratic congressman jamie raskin the ranking member of the oversight committee to investigate january 6th. always good to speak with you, congressman raskin. i have to tell you the joking and trolling and the lip balm disgusting option really infuriated me today as a story and i'll tell you why. let me put up this full screen. these are the debt payments that are at risk starting june 1st. $10 billion in military pay and retirement pay for our veterans. right before memorial day. $47 billion to medicare providers and 25 billion in social security benefits for our seniors and 1 billion in s.n.a.p. food and benefits to help kids eat and 6 million in medicare and a billion in individual tax refunds for people who filed their taxes and

6 billion in medicare reimbursements to states and $5 billion in medicare reimbursements to states and $5 billion to people who work unlike greene and matt gaetz. how is it to serve in a place where this is the dine am snik. >> the totally cavalier mad-cap environment among republicans. it's like they're all playing the fool on the titanic while they try to crash the ship. you know, they would really bring down the entire economy of the united states and plunge us into recession with 7 or 8 million jobs lost without batting an eye just to prove their point that they want to try to dismantle the social programs that millions of people across the country depend on. it's a scary situation to see how deranged it's gotten, but it's the price of allowing them

to believe in lies and to totally deaden themselves to what the truth is and what facts are and what human compassion is supposed to be all about, so i do think it's a frightening situation. fortunately, we got the constitution on our side and the 14th amendment says that the validity of the public debt shall not be questioned which to my mind means that forced to the edge by these maga extremists, the president has no other choice, but to respect the laws of the country and pay our bills to the social security recipients and the medicare recipients and veterans and the bondholders of the country and we've got to respect all of those laws and the constitution and one law about a debt ceiling cannot override the constitution of the united states and every other law. >> you are a constitutional expert, thankfully, we have a constitutional scholar in you to talk with because the arguments that i read against it in "the

washington post" said that you can't do it this way because you would end up in a litigation and you would end up in a court case about whether or not it was valid for the president to go ahead and pay these bills and while that happened you couldn't go ahead and make the payments and then you would end up in this supreme court or samuel alito slave owners didn't agree and therefore you can't pay social security people and screw them. do you fear that? >> yeah. >> no because elections have consequences and one consequence of our having won the presidency is that president biden doesn't have to go and sue anybody. we're playing defense. all he has to do is faithfully execute the laws as he's sworn to do under article 2 of the constitution and respect the full faith and credit of the united states by not dishonoring the debts that we've already incurred. in other words, he's just got to

pay the bills and if marjorie taylor greene or matt gaetz, if they want to go to court they have to proof how they have standing and how were they injured by other people getting their bills paid, and even if -- if they're somehow able to overcome that, this is a political question for the political branches to work out and even if they were able to overcome that, well, then, they've got to prove somehow that their rights have been violated because other people got their bills paid and what's their remedy for that? they're suing the social security recipients to tell them to return their money to the u.s. government? they're suing the bondholders of america to tell them to return their money that's rightfully theirs to the u.s. government? i don't think so. i know this is an extremist supreme court, but i don't think they're willing to further drive the government of the united states into a ditch with the maga extremists. in any event, we can't allow them to intimidate those of us

who want to follow the law and the clear meaning and sense of the constitution. we don't repudiate the debts of the united states. >> that is a fascinating argument. have you had that conversation with the white house? >> yes. i've been talking to everybody about this, professor tribe who is, you know, my constitutional law professor when i've been in dialogue with about this for many weeks. he's been writing about it publicly and he's been talking to the white house as have i and other members, and so you know, all i'm saying is that in the final analysis we cannot allow them to drive america over the ledge because they're entertaining this trumpian political fantasy. trump is the one telling them go ahead and do it. why? because he's all about chaos and promoting chaos in the country. >> right, and also telling them do fake investigations of biden because he wants to dirty up biden. plan b, of course, is this

discharge visit petition that you can essentially if you can get five or so republicans to go along with it. do you believe that there are five republicans for this option to force a debt limit on the increase? >> well, at this point they clearly are not. i stood in line for everyone else to sign that discharge petition and there were no republicans in line then and it may be as we cling closer to the edge that some of the republicans from biden districts will be able to read the writing on the wall. there is going to be electoral hell to pay for republicans who play into this maga strategy. this is much worse, you know, than a government shutdown, joy. i mean, we're talking about millions of jobs lost crashing the stock market and plunging us into a recession and will the american full faith and credit in the eyes of the world ever

recover from what they want to do to us? and i know chaos is a great strategy for an authoritarian arc ward for people who want to appeal in a democracy. >> they'll hurt their own voters and their voters will be paying more attention to the fake investigations of biden than the fact that they didn't get their check, right? which is a wild idea, but it literally could happen. i do want to ask you about an incident that happened today that was fairly scary where you had someone crash a car in d.c. there was overnight, sorry, that had swastikas displayed. there is so much more anti-semitism that's happening visibly and extremism and to be blunt the people on the other side of the aisle from you are not dissuading with the rhetoric. are you concerned that we've gone beyond the pale here where we can't pull back on the extremism that's being promoted

on the other side of the aisle? >> we know that the propaganda and disinformation that had been unleashed in america by donald trump and around the world by vladimir putin and victor orban and other authoritarians have activated extremists and unstable people all over the world, and that's a frightening situation, but we have to continue to act with courage understanding that the vast majority of the people reject the racism, and reject the antisemitism and reject the immigrant bashing and reject authoritarianism, but joy, alas, we are still in the thick of this fight and we thought it might be over if we had ten more senators in, the senate would vote to convict donald trump and it might have been over and it still could be over with the criminal prosecutions and at this point we need every democratic patriot in america on the front lines of fighting for

freedom? >> and i am out of time, but very quickly, will you try to become one of the united states senators? i know there's an opening in the state of maryland? >> you will be the first to know, joy. i will let you know, but i still haven't decided, and. >> okay. i'm wrestling with it, and i welcome everybody's input and people are giving me great advice. >> we are very glad that you got a clean bill of health and you would be running with that in your favor, congressman jamie raskin, at least congressman at this moment. thank you very much. history is written by the victors or in ron desantis' case, re-written using cherry-picked facts and figures to support his own authoritarian ideas about how history should be remembered and we'll be right back. w history should be remembered and we'll be right back that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow.

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♪♪ ♪♪ for nearly a decade, it has been enshrined in nor da state that every year people should be added to the hall of fame to honor them in the contributions in their fight for justice and equality. the commission of human relations recommends up to ten people from which the governor selects three. their names and portraits are hung in the entrance to the state capitol, but this hasn't happened since 20 which just by chance was also governor ron desantis' first year in office, and last week religious leaders

and local officials gathered to ask why. according to one official with the commission the reason for the holdup was covid which is weird, right? considering the florida governor's blatant opposition to every safety measure, that was literally what built his brand. the commissioners say they're still awaiting the governor's selection of nominees which i wouldn't expect any time soon considering his current priorities include announcing his presidential run during a convo with twitter's chief troll and twitter elon musk. he was a history teacher back in the day in georgia. one of his students said he taught the civil war that it seemed like an attempt to justify slavery, but he did teach it, and believe it or not, he's also written a history book. back in 2011 before his political career took off desantis penned "dreams from our founding fathers "in the age of

obama. it has been almost completely scrubbed from the internet, there is literally one copy on amazon for just under two grand. according to "the washington post" who was able to obtain the digital copy before it disappeared and it is exactly what you would expect from desantis, founders good, obama bad. joining me is jillian brockwell staff writer for the washington post history blog. i enjoy your article and it was a lot of fun. please explain to me this very hard to find book that apparently the publisher pulled off of their online roster. >> yeah. i actually don't know what happened because the publisher won't call me back and they won't tell me exactly why it disappeared and i did buy it last summer thinking i cover

history on my beat and his profile is rising, so i purchased it and then when it was clear he was going to run for president i read it which i'm glad you enjoyed reading my article. it was -- it was not very fun reading the book, but i am glad you enjoyed it and yeah, some time between -- before he released his, you know, campaign book that's not a campaign book, this winter, the book disappeared and his first book disappeared from the internet. >> poof. >> it's not the courage to be free. >> this is one of my favorite stories in your book. desantis quotes james madison at virginia's 1829 constitutional convention saying he advised the delegates that these natural rights can't be separated. the personal right to acquire property which is a natural right gives to property a right to protection and a social right, but he left out the part that the property he meant was

people. the property he meant was people! slaves! >> yeah. i mean, it was two paragraphs later in the part in the speech that he quotes from that -- that madison makes it very plain that he is talking about enslaved african-americans and he's saying that in this state constitutional convention that he doesn't want white men who don't own property to be able to vote because they could tax slavery into being unprofitable for him and other enslavers. so, you know, desantis is using that quote in his book to say that the founders would have hated the individual mandate in the affordable care act. that's not what madison was talking about. >> the only two black people who seem to appear in his book is obama, bad and dr. king who gets the usual same quote that all of

the republicans use. talk a little bit about this footnote from "i have a dream," where he got it. >> yeah. so, you know, i think it's a pretty standard thing to give sort of a, you know, milk toast quotes from king's -- of course, everyone does it once a year on their twitter which bernice king is always saying this is not what my father supported, et cetera. anyway, he used this brief quote about -- from king in the "i have a dream speech saying the constitution was magnificent words and that it was a promissory note to future americans and you know, i mean, i have to say most politicians who write about history are not using footnotes and do not have coherent arguments and are terrible and he had footnotes and yet his arguments were

coherent even if they were completely taken out of context and cherry picking and historical. so there's that. anyway, his footnote for king is the book of quotations. it's not the "i have a dream" speech, and quotations are wonderful for what they are. books of quotations is not doing history. >> and what dr. king was trying to say is that the beautiful words in the constitution are not being applied to black people. >> right. >> my last question here, slavery is something that he has seemed to try to justify. does he do that in the book, as well? >> yeah. so in the intro, he kind of confronts slavery head-on because you have to if you're talking about the founding fathers, but it's just for a couple of paragraphs to say, and i'm not going to mention slavery

in the rest of the book and his justifications he calls it a personal flaw which is maybe a little bit of minimizing and i'll leave that to everyone's interpretation, but he also says, you know, this is a common thing that i hear a lot is that slavery was happening throughout human history and the variations of this argument that people didn't know it was wrong back then which first of all is not true. plenty of people did, and the enslaved people themselves. >> and abolitionists, yeah. >> yes. and then the last thing is that -- the enslaved people themselves are the most important people to have said, you know -- that it's just wrong. >> and the fact that as you point out in your article, congenital slavery based on race. that was invented here in america. that was not going on anywhere else on earth ever, just here

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an opinion columnist and cultural critic for the san francisco chronicle, walked into a parental rights night event hosted by san francisco republicans. what soleil saw was so horrifying, mean, and by, they went home and threw up. the event was billed as an attempt at, quote, the tangling the transgender narrative surrounding our children, unquote. it was filled with gross attacks and misinformation. speakers claim that gender ever mission, which is acknowledging what a child is telling you they are feeling inside, is a cloaked system of eugenics. they accused parents of allowing the kids to be sterilized and insisted most of these kids have mental illness. and emailed invite for the dinner included a guest list with a person they describe as a d transition or, alongside the san mateo county chair for the right wing groups moms for

liberty, and a member of moms for america, also someone there from our duty, which argues that transgender children are the way they are because they have been groomed and brainwashed into a belief system. the event was held under the guise of promoting parental rights and helping parents advocate for your child, apparently at the expense of your child. i'm joined now by soleil ho, opinion writer, cultural critic for the chronicle. i read a little bit of what you experienced their. tell me what some of the rest was. >> yeah, there were some really great slide shows about the identifying wokeness in your school library, that was the topic of these bigger from moms for liberty, which, you know, not surprising. there were some videos being shown on of those big tv screens behind the bar that usually see football on, they were playing tech talks and

other sorts of amateur videos by people who were gender not conforming, and a lot of noise in the crowd in response to that. it told me a lot about how he's politics are motivated by a visceral discussed for people who are not gender conforming. that, to me, it was why i wanted to go, to hear and feel, was it going to be a calm crowd? a raucous crowd? how are they going to react in a moment to images and discussions about people who were trans. >> i want to read you something quickly. the bay area reporter wrote a piece previewing with this event was going to be about. this is, they quote a republican, chair of the local republican parties. we feel there is something happening now that has increased number of trans kids, especially in the teenage years, and needs to be addressed. it feels to many there is an ideology associated, and that's what we are exploring. that is the fear, i feel like

i'm hearing expressed by people on the right. somehow, something culturally is happening in schools is tricking children into thinking they're trans. is that the kind of thing they were alleging? >> yeah. basically, saying there are books in the libraries, for instance, that grooming kids, teachers who were visibly lgbt, they were grandkids by existing. just that there were sex education courses that were offering alternative identity is just as the fact they existed. being part of the programming, part of this brainwashing conspiracy by marxist trench genders who were hoping to, again, sterilize and eliminate children who were vulnerable. >> it's a strange thing that does feel like they panic, right? you have this thing happening even outside of this, like major league baseball got into this whole back and forth with the christian right about

inviting sisters of perpetual indulgence, a drag group. you are a cultural critic, you monitor the stuff. have you seen a marked increase in the hysteria around things like drag that it does feel like it's tied to the trends panic? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. we trans panic is the easiest -- afternoon, easiest sounds glib, but it's one of the easier entrées into this bigger, more general sense of repulsion towards people who are queer. it makes sense to me because it is just the most vulnerable group within the lgbt, sort of, system, and most easy to beat up on. it is, essentially, priming people to more easily transpose that feeling of hate on to people who are generally more accepted in that spectrum. so, yeah, i mean, i've been watching what's happening in the uk for years now, and this is just all according to the

same playbook. >> it's not just in the u.s.? this is happening outside of the u.s. on the right more broadly? >> yes, absolutely. >> it's frightening. one piece of news, vice news reported trans kids actually threw themselves a problem, 150 trans children and adults from 16 states gathered in front of the capital in washington, d.c., to attend a prompt you celebrate trans kids. do these kind of counter events, do you think, do they help to the visible shows of support? that is what seems to be needed, and in little time. >> yeah, no, i mean, it helps people not feel alone. trans individuals, around the world, have the highest rates of suicide in the lgbt community. >> yeah. yeah -- >> it is a loss, otherwise -- >> yeah. well, thank you for supporting undercover and getting us that amazing story, soleil ho. that is tonight's the reidout. all in with chris hayes starts right now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >>ni