of the system. >> reporter: united's ceo scott kirby. most americans are driving, not flying this weekend. 37 million of us hitting the road. gas prices averaging $3.56 a gallon, a lot cheaper than 4.60 last year, but with americans eager for a summer vacation, it is the airlines that are in the spotlight. >> you're welcome, you have a good day. >> reporter: i just watched you interact with a customer and you had the biggest, broadest smile the whole time, is that the secret sauce? >> that is the secret sauce, but don't tell everybody. >> reporter: just keep smiling, when you're rude, smile away. >> you kill them with kindness. that's all that we can do. >> reporter: tom costello, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it.

>> at this hour, you might remember this image of the man behind me, kicking his feet up on then house speaker nancy pelosi's desk during the capitol riots so how many years will he be spending behind bars for his actions on january 6th. that's next. and the horrific words the suspect said at the scene after deliberately crashing into the white house barrier monday night allegedly telling authorities he admired nazis and wanted to quote kill the president. plus, speed bump, with just eight days left before a potential default, one official tells nbc news that house speaker kevin mccarthy and his team refuse to negotiate with the white house, and then another meeting gets scheduled there. so where do things stand right now? we've got a live report. also, the potential real world fallout if a deal is not reached by june 1st. what one veteran's group says is their primary concern.

our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. i want to begin right there in washington with nbc's senior congressional correspondent garrett haake. so garrett, where do things stand right now? >> reporter: well, chris, when we woke up this morning, negotiations were stuck, and right now, the house negotiating team is over on white house grounds trying to unstick them, kevin mccarthy spoke with reporters this morning, he describes the two sides as far apart on a number of key issues, most notably the big one on spending. mccarthy has been clear that's his red line, unless the u.s. government spends less next year in real dollars than it spent this year, there can be no deal anywhere else. and so getting through or around that obstacle has been the key point, but i wanted to ask him something that i have been hearing from democrats and others, this idea of whether or not mccarthy is boxed in by his own conference, given how little the far right has given him room

to move beyond what they have already voted for in a debt bill. here's what he told me about how he sees the deal coming together and his ability to negotiate. what do you say to those who believe you can't get to yes because so many members of your conference won't accept anything less than the bill you passed. >> you underestimated the whole time. the one thing you should learn, i will never give up for the american people. those are the people i'm looking at. can we get to yes, yes. >> reporter: mccarthy feels like he doesn't get enough credit for the way he's operating with the narrow majority that he has, but still, getting to a deal is going to be part one of this, and there's no guarantee on that. negotiators being at the white house is a positive step today, and passing a deal is going to be another challenge. the next big challenge for a speaker who hasn't yet had to cobble together, you know, coalition with democrats, like he's going to have to do here. >> garrett haake, thank you for that. all of this has folks nervous

because the possible default has the potential to upend the lives of millions of americans, including veterans. nbc's shaquille brewster spoke to some of them in davenport, iowa. what could it mean for vets? >> reporter: simply put, chris, it could make their lives more difficult, and look, we don't know what will happen if the country defaults, if we get past that june 1st date. the treasury secretary has not detailed what bills will get paid and what payments will be delayed. what we do know is the federal government has about a $12 billion bill on that june 1st day for veteran benefits. so you're talking about things like pensions, medical assistance, tuition assistance, disability payments, and that's why you have so many people in the veteran community concerned about this debate and this impasse that only continues to grow. i want you to listen to conversations i have been having about the impact this could

have, any delay could have. >> what would that mean for you? >> i would stop getting any type of payment, so that would definitely put us in a financial hardship. >> well, it's things like, okay, do you put food on the table next week? do you pay your rent on time? and once you get behind in things like that, it can kind of snowball. >> reporter: i spoke to the founder of this outreach center here in davenport, iowa, where they're giving out food for veterans, something they have done more and more, and inflation on folks with fixed incomes have been dealing with. she's hearing concern about this each and every day as we get closer to the deadline. the one thing she also mentioned is that she's already making contingency plans for what will happen if that default does happen. again, we don't know what that will look like, but that concern, the uncertainty is

having an impact on so many people, chris. >> incredibly stressful, shaquille brewster, thank you. we have new details about the 19-year-old who rapid a u-haul truck into white house barriers. nbc's ryan nobles has been following the story from the beginning. what do we know about the suspect, and anything about his motive? >> reporter: yeah, chris, in fact just in the last hour the main suspect in this case, 19-year-old sai kandula appeared in court. prosecutors revealed he is not a united states citizen, and it appears that he is not even a lawmaker permanent resident. prosecutors said at this point they cannot determine his country of origin, and they're still attempting to figure out what his immigration status might be. now, this comes after kandula was charged with a number of crimes related to smashing that u-haul truck into barricades

outside lafayette park, which is of course just a block away from the white house, and as he was apprehended, secret service agents said in charging documents that he was saying alarming things about his admiration for the nazi party and hitler specifically, saying things that he was appreciative of their one world order, their plans for eugenics and many other things, and kandula was discovered with a nazi flag. he is being held without bond before his next appearance. that is scheduled for next tuesday. >> ryan nobles, thank you for that. let's go to nbc's julia ainsley, with more on today's sentencing of richard barnett. this is the january 6th rioter who stormed into the speaker's office, was photographed with his foot on nancy pelosi's desk. julia, how many years is he going to get behind bars. >> prosecutors are arguing today that he should have at least seven, up to seven years behind bars. the defense did say that

prosecutors are going too far and he didn't actually carry out violent acts. they say he was prepared to do so. prosecutors have talked about the fact that barnett was brandishing a stun gun when he came into the capitol, and they say, of course, he's also charged with civil disobedience and obstructing the civil process, to secure the election on january 6th. some context to add to this as well today, chris, we're just now learning a bit of national terrorism advisory system bulletin, these are the updated threats we get when the previous advisory system bulletin expires and what they are now saying is in the lead up to the 2024 election. any misinformation that may make people think that the election system is rigged or flawed or that they won't be able to have their vote count, that can lead to more violence. a asked senior dhs officials, do you think we could have another january 6th because of those concerns. they said that because of prosecutions and sentencings, just like barnett's what we're seeing today, that they think that that will actually have a

deterrent effect. they don't think that it nullifies the threat, but that they have seen in the past some incidents since january 6th that could have become larger or violent, have actually been mitigated and they think it's because the public is watching people like barnett face prosecution and face punishment for their crimes. >> julia ainsley, thank you for that. in the coming hours, florida's governor, ron desantis, will formally announce his presidential run. so where does he stack up against the other republican candidates? and how will he play with the conservative base? we're back in 60 seconds. e? we're ba ickn 60 seconds

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so how does he close the gap? desantis's wife casey posted this video giving a hint perhaps of the campaign to come. >> they call it faith because in the face of darkness, you can see that brighter future. a faith that our best days lay ahead of us. but is it worth the fight. do i have the courage, is it worth the sacrifice. america has been worth it every single time. >> i want to bring in nbc's gabe gutierrez, covering the governor from miami. political and investigative reporter at "the new york times," and nbc political correspondent steve kornacki is at the big board. as you look at him getting in, where does he fit in in the big picture? >> i think he put it well. he's in a unique in between zone right now. you see he's going to become when he makes this announcement tonight, the 7th announced

republican candidate. there's more waiting in the wings potentially as well. what that might reflect is the last couple of months. desantis has looked weak. other republicans saying maybe there's more of an opening to run against trump. i think that sets up the first sort of challenge test opportunity, however you want to frame it for desantis starting with this announcement. you're looking at the average of all the polls right now, like you say, he's fallen far behind donald trump. nobody else is outside the mid single digits. still right now as he enters, desantis's challenges, can he put a message out there, can he put a public face out there now that he's formally doing this, that moves him up and moves this closer into a clear, one-on-one race between trump and desantis and that denies all of these other candidates, all of the

other prospective candidates to muddy the waters behind donald trump. desantis really wants to consolidate as much as we can the non-trump vote that's out there on the republican side. see this as trump, desantis and no one else. that's the first challenge as he steps into the race. if he succeeds in getting this somewhere to that point, trump versus desantis, let's go back in time where trump got the republican nomination back in 2016 in the first place. what's interesting is, remember, there's four stand alone contests, each a couple of days to a week apart at the start of this, before you get into the mega primaries. donald trump lost the first republican contest. it was in iowa in 2016, and there was that period of a week where he looked very vulnerable. there were questions about trump. is this all going to fall apart for him. the new hampshire primary, there was the debate the saturday night before. chris christie took down marco

rubio. it was a muddled field. trump got the win in new hampshire. righted the ship. the next two as well. trump never lost two big contests in a row on the republican side. so if you're desantis. in the short-term, you want to sort of consolidate that non-trump wing and build support in these early states. desantis would try to pull off is what no republican succeeded in pulling off in '16. did you beat trump twice in a row in major contests. some of the wild card factors here. we're asking that question. can he consolidate, take a field double digits and make it effectively a one-on-one race. debates with all of those candidates prospectively in the race, who's going to be on the stage, who's going to miss the stage. is donald trump going to be on the stage? we saw him skip a debate, a key one in 2016, is he going to be skipping debates in 2024. also the favorite son/daughter issue for desantis, we're talking act the early states

again, new hampshire, chris sununu, does he run. if he does, does that complicate desantis's effort in new hampshire to consolidate? south carolina, nikki haley's in the race. tim scott is in the race. does that get in the way of his effort to consolidate in south carolina. chris christie making indications he's going to make his race. you saw in 2016 tactically christie make a decision to go after marco rubio, to go after republicans, he endorsed donald trump. christie pointedly in the key days in the new hampshire primary laid off trump and really laid into the other republicans candidates in particular. in particular, marco rubio, christie is giving indications he's going to run in 2024 and he's going to take that same fervor and go after trump. does that change things a bit if you have christie on a debate stage going after trump in a way he refused to in 2024. not so much a question, does that elevate christie, but does that help somebody like desantis

to have somebody playing that role. >> again, if he actually decides he's going to go on the debate stage, fascinating stuff, steve. nick, look, if you're going to close that gap, clearly desantis thinks he can run on his record in florida. that records includes six-week abortion ban, banning gender affirming care for minors, altering school curriculums. do you consolidate the non-trump vote with that? >> look, the only way it's the nomination for ron desantis is through donald trump. the trump lane is the biggest lane in the primary. and you can see at the biggest group in polling of voters are very conservative voters who are flip-flopping a little bit back and forth, who are trump supportive but desantis curious. the desantis agenda is designed for an audience that wants to fight and win the culture war. they aren't there for lower taxes, and they aren't there for business regulation. they want someone who will fight and win the culture war. that's hi selling point to them.

i don't think there's anything about consolidating the middle of the road voters and the gop. it's about beating trump on his own terms. that's the way he can win. >> if they're desantis curious, did they want to see a strong desantis, though, right, that's where trump is going after him saying he has no personality, a lot of criticism that he doesn't have that thick enough skin. he's not tough enough to what we see with donald trump time after time after time. he talks louder, says more than anybody else wherever it is. >> look, he is a great performer, and we've seen that over and over again. i'm not being glib. he is on a debate stage. he knows how to punch and counter punch. we'll see how ron desantis can do in that environment. >> i think when you're standing in front of a bunch of reporters, you will never ever find donald trump hesitating. he always has an answer. does ron desantis? >> what's interesting about trump is he talked about how much he hated the press but always engaged with the press. ron desantis in florida has taken a different tact. we have seen some changes begin

to roll out of his campaign. the press strategy has been focus on conservative outlets and audiences and journalists, ignore the mainstream media. that can work up to a point, but when you're in trouble what you want to do is expand your audience and that's where you get in trouble with that strategy. >> we talked last hour about how desantis's launch on twitter is going to be unconventional. after that, there's going to be conventional politicking going on and an awful lot of money to do with it. what can you tell us about the plans? >> reporter: a staggering amount of money, a source familiar with never back down. that's the pro desantis super pac says that the super pac's operating budget will be around $200 million. that includes more than $100 million for voter outreach programs that includes field operatives that are expected to knock on the door of every possible desantis primary voter

in several primary states, and five times, at least five times in iowa. never back down, expects to hire some 2,600 field organizers by labor day. and chris, this is all to combat that narrative that ron desantis will be bad at retail politicking by establishing such a ground game. as you know, chris, it's different from the actual candidate getting on the ground and instead relying on field operatives, and even though this is a staggering amount of money, and while politics, money and politics is extremely important, it isn't everything. just ask michael bloomberg in 2020, chris. >> there's a whole lot of people, jeb bush being another example. we could go on and on. gabe gutierrez, nick confessore. thank you all very much. 365 days ago, it was the second deadliest school shooting in u.s. history. it forever changed uvalde,

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episcopal church in uvalde, texas, rang its bells. marking one year since a shooter killed 19 children and two teachers at robb elementary school. today, there are still more questions than answers about why it took police more than an hour to confront and kill the shooter and potentially save some of those lives. one year later, there's another reason many victims' families are frustrated. this is what texas state senator roland gutierrez said just this morning on this network. >> you don't heal from this, you don't get over this, every one of those families has been devastated. they have been devastated by legislature in texas that has done absolutely nothing. the biggest insult is that we did absolutely zero pieces of legislation that would have a monumental change or the legislation that those families were seeking. >> nbc's guad venegas is in uvalde, texas. also with me today, a parents'

reporter, daniela moore, and politics report zach despart. thank you all for being here. guad, i can't imagine what it's like there today. talk a little bit about what you're seeing and hearing on the ground in uvalde today. >> reporter: it's an emotional day for all members of the community, for friends and family members of the victims, and also survivors just steps away from me, i can see one of the teachers that survived the shooting who's out here with a group of individuals. they're wearing orange shirts and they're promoting or pushing for gun law reform. he spoke into the media earlier this week. he showed telemundo how he's been recovering. he's had something like eleven surgeries, and now he's dedicated his life to push for some of this change, as you heard state senator roland gutierrez has not happened. we have members of the community coming to the town square to this memorial with photos and articles of the victims that died. everywhere you go in uvalde told, people are emotional, and

they're remembering the victims. there's the largest grocery store right across the street. i went in there earlier, everyone has the shirts, the uvalde strong. the community is united when it comes to that moral support today. but there is differences in what they want moving forward, right? what kind of legislation they would like to see, and there's also a lot of anger and frustration when it comes to transparency and clarity from that investigation that has not concluded. our colleague tom llamas spoke to the victims, this is what one of them had to say about how she feels with the government's response. >> our political leaders, our government is going to take care of us. that's going to be a wake-up call, and i think that's what's crushing us. it's crushing me to learn about how the government really works. and how it benefits them, and

we're just their pawns. >> reporter: and, chris, you know, i mentioned there's some division in how people would like to move forward. some want these memorials to remain. others want to turn the page. what i can tell you, being here last year, and being here one year later, the majority of people we talked to, those that own guns, those that don't own guns, wanted to see a change in the age from 18 to 21, and there was a bill in the texas state legislature, but that bill has now been stalled and that has been a cause of anger for a lot of the people that want to see change at that legislative level, at the state level, and then also this investigation. they say there's no clarity, and they still don't no who is responsible for what happened, for that police response that took over an hour. so they want some answers from this investigation. the district attorney says there is no time line. meanwhile, the city mayor said

they were also frustrated with the investigation. also adding that the city has been kept out of the investigation. so lots of pieces moving, but definitely a lot of frustration with the families as today everyone tries to focus on that emotional healing here in uvalde. >> zach, part of that obviously is. it's hard to heal when you don't really know what happened. you have been reporting on the investigation since the beginning. one year later, why are there still so many unanswered questions? >> the primary reason there are still so many unanswered questions is so little has been released publicly by officials who have the records related to these investigations. a texas house committee had done a good report that blamed police widespread, not just the local school district police chief for the failures of the police response and the shooting. however, in order for us to do most of our reporting the last year, we had to obtain from

confidential sources thousands of files related to law enforcement response that had not been released publicly. that has enabled us to report more details about the flawed police response, it allowed us to report in march the role of the ar-15 style rifle played in the shooting. we listen to the interviews that the initial officers gave and they repeatedly said that once they learned the gunman had that type of rifle, that is what caused them to not confront the shooter that time, and that was what kicked off that delayed police response that of course lasted more than an hour. >> and yet, zach, the texas state legislature, you heard it from roland gutierrez is not tightening gun laws, despite calls for change by the families of uvalde, although, yesterday, i understand the state senate revived a mandatory ten-year sentence for felonies involving guns. after the fact. our families resigned to know progress on gun legislation or

do you feel that they at least hope that there's a chance that something might change. >> i mean, they had expressed that they continue to keep fighting for stricter gun laws both in texas and washington, d.c. this session in the texas legislature, lawmakers took the same approach as they have in fast sessions. we have had about one mass shooting a year for the past seven, eight years. we had another at the mall in allen, texas, a few weeks ago. the legislature has expanded access to guns, rather restricted it. i wouldn't go as far to say the bill to purchase automatic rifles from 18 to 21 years old was even considered this session. it took a while to get to a hearing, and advanced one day out of committee, but there's no indication that either chamber was going to seriously consider passing that bill. >> which brings us back to the people who live with this every day. you spoke to two parents who

lost their children. quote, one year later, both moms have come to a stark realization. the world has continued to spin madly on with the days of grief, mourning and anger. all blending together. and no matter whether they sit in pain or try to run from it, their little girls aren't coming home. can you put into words what this year has been like for these families? >> i can try, and that's what that piece was is my desperate try to put into words what it has been like for them, and it has been an honor to continue to talk to these families for 365 days of the worst imaginable pain. and they let me know, look, they hear all the time, i can't imagine what you're going through. you can, as a parent, we have all thought that. we've allowed our mind to go to that horrible place where our child might be hurt or killed, and it's so painful, we push it

away when we drop them off at school or a friend's house or movie theaters. those families don't have that luxury anymore. they live with it every single day. and one of the things that both of them, while their journey in the past year of grief has been different, one mom has put herself in the fight for common sense gun laws. she has to stay in constant motion, because she's told me if she comes home, it's so quiet, and she's left with the reality that she doesn't want to accept. and then there's jessica hernandez, and she's moved three times. she's tried to run away from the pain, and no matter what, it's present. it's omni present, but both said, look, there is no moving forward. every day for us is may 24th, 2022, especially when these mass shootings continue to happen. and when they see it on the news, and when they read about it, they are transported back to that day, when they were told that their little girls weren't coming home. >> you have done remarkable and

moving reporting on the "today" show web site. not easy stories to report for you, for guad and zach, thank you as well. we appreciate it, we very much recognize this is your community as well. one hour from now, president biden will speak on the uvalde shooting at the white house, and we'll have those remarks for you when they begin. severe abortion restrictions on the way for south carolina exposing new divisions within the republican party. we've got that next. ns within the republican party we've got that nt.ex i've never been healthier. shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingrix today.

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a couple of updates on ron desantis. tonight he is going to announce that he is officially running for president. we have been telling you that all day today. that's the political party of it, but he just completed the legal part of it. he has filed officially as a candidate, with the fec, and at the same time, there's a new poll from quinnipiac that shows you just how substantial his challenge is in this new poll, ron desantis is down behind donald trump by 31 points. we'll continue to follow all of that. in the meantime, the southern bastian for abortion is about to disappear. when south carolina's republican governor signs a bill banning abortion after six weeks. some of the bill's fiercest opponents in the legislature were actually republicans, exposing divisions within the gop on just how far to go with

those bans. three republican women insisted six weeks is not enough time for a woman to make a decision. they pushed for a 12-week ban instead, and ultimately joined every democrat in voting against the bill. they called their filibuster group with the only other women in the senate a democrat, an independent. the sister senators, and all five of them wore matching buttons that wore elect more women. joining me now, rina shah, senior advicer at republican women for progress and a former republican strategist, and nbc's rehema ellis. the governor says he's going to sign this. a state supreme court struck down another six-week abortion ban. they think this is going to be different. >> they think so, but it will certainly be challenged. here's the thing that's different. that 3-2 ban, that vote from the

judges that struck down this previous six-week ban, the writer of the major opinion was a woman. she reached retirement aid. the court is made up of all five men. they think they have made exceptions to the law that would satisfy those judges who voted against the ban before, including exceptions for fatal fetal abnormalities, for the mother's life and health, for rape or incest, they would allow up to six weeks for an abortion ban, and doctors could face felony charges with two years imprisonment and a possible $10,000 fine. they think that's enough to satisfy these judges and that they will go along with the governor's signature, and he is expected to sign this six-week abortion ban. >> we saw how important abortion was in 2022. now, 2024 is fast approaching. we saw three republican women crossing party lines. will we, as we get closer to

2024 see more members of the republican party, especially in swing states break with their party on abortion. >> well, i think the vast majority of conservative women see these action in the state and find them to be absurd. look, believe it or not, abortion a tricky subject for many conservative women. and when you look at the six-week bans, many of us find them to be ridiculous because, you know, the simple fact that most women don't know they're pregnant at that point in time. and let's talk about what six weeks of pregnancy actually is. it's just two weeks following conception. so when i see this, and i have seen reliable polling, we have seen what most republicans favor, and that's a gestational limit of something like 15 to 20 weeks. i would be remiss, also, chris, if i didn't bring up rural women. i'm from west virginia, born and raised and i think of the women

where i grew up and how many don't have access obstetricians. what these extreme measures are doing in the states is they are protecting less lives instead of more lives, like they're intended to do. what i fear we'll see at the end of the day also is women in abusive situations. >> polls show most americans believe that these laws go too far. but then you have some republicans who have been clear they want to go as far as they can with bans, and the sister centers and other opponents argue this could be a declaration that a fetus is a person, and that could open a door to a total ban, one that starts at conception. do you hear any political interest in this, and even if the numbers are small, and again, we're seeing most of these bills that have gotten

through do not reflect the views of most people, most voters, most americans. is there concern about this isn't as far as it can go? >> chris, what you're talking about right now, if anybody at the federal level were to say this, they understand that they are going against the grain. and that they are trying to appeal to a very small universe of voters on the right, and that's who evangelical christians, single issue voters, and donors that want to stand behind the one issue. this is something that has to change in the era. public opinion is not on the side. you see millennial women, pushing women in the suburbs like me who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal because we go to liberal arts colleges. we have come into contact with women who have had unintended pregnancies. we come in contact with women who have been raped. many of us have gone through situations in which we have had to terminate pregnancies because

of our own safety and reasons unknown. this should be between a doctor and a patient. and the fact that republican lawmakers in the states continue to push these bills is simply just to fund raise off them. show how conservative they are. i find it very troubling as we move towards an era where the american woman understands bodily autonomy is always on the ballot for her. >> rina shah, rehema ellis, thank you, both. amanda gorman said she was gutted to learn a florida school had restricted some of the youngest students to read the poem she recited at president biden's inauguration. >> quiet isn't always peace and the norms and notions of what just is isn't always justice. >> that poem, "theov out of rea from elementary school students

in miami-dade county after a parent claimed it contained indirect hate messages. that same complaint also misidentified oprah winfrey as the author of the book. in response, gorman issued a statement on instagram saying quote, let's be clear, most of the forbidden works are by authors who have struggled for generations to get on the book shelves. i wrote "the hill we climb" so all young people could see themselves in a historical moment. robbing children of a chance to find their voice in literature is a violation of free speech and free thought. the poem does remain accessible in the middle school section of the literature center, and none has been banned or moved. the nypd investigating the case of another victim in a

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we have breaking news, and it is sad news from the world of rock 'n' roll. legendary singer, tina turner has died. she was 83 years old. she was of course the queen of rock 'n' roll. she first broke through more than 60 years ago, performing alongside her then husband ike turner. they disbanded in the late '70s and turner made what can only be described as a massive comeback as a solo artist in the '80s. her songs ranged from "what's love got to do with it." she was inducted into the rock 'n' roll hall of fame with ike turner and as a solo artist. 12 grammy awards, also a grammy lifetime achievement award. she was the first black artist

and first female to grace the cover of rolling stone. she was ranked among the 100 greatest artists of all time and 100 greatest singers of all time. most people would put her at the top of that list. i want to bring in npr's eric deggens. hard to even express the influence that this woman had as a singer, as someone who spoke about her own personal life, her own personal struggles as an inspiration, to many women out there who face some of the same challenges she did. talk to us about tina turner. >> you know, what was so amazing about tina turn's story is she began her career as one of the great r and b singers of the time singing with the man who

would become her husband, ike turner, and credited, really, as helping kick start rock and roll at the time. and becoming a contemporary of artists like the rolling stones and, you know, many others touring across the country. but really in the r and b category. and then once she recognized how ike was abusing her and decided to leave him and take control of her own career, she became a rock icon, and she became the voice that powered so many classic pop and rock songs. particularly in the '80s and '90s and developed a whole other career as a supreme queen of rock 'n' roll. beyond that, to become a symbol for a woman who left behind an abusive relationship, and developed a life that was of her own choosing.

and, you know, crafting another long lasting relationship with her husband, who eventually, you know, helped her with health problems that she experienced late in her career. she just had an amazing life, and through it all, it was a story of triumphanting over adversity, and finding her own way as an artist, and person and ultimately living exactly the kind of life that she wanted to live once she was able to free herself from all of these other things that were holding her back and that were exploiting her at one time or another. >> as for looking at some of this video, first of all, can we just talk about that voice, that voice which i think very few female rock 'n' roll voices in the history of rock 'n' roll can compare to what tina could do, but what she could do on a stage was pure entertainment, pure joy. i mean, you cannot watch her and

not be riveted by her. >> yeah, and reportedly, you know, mic jagger watched her stage moves. >> that's right. >> and inspiration for how he worked the stage from watching her work the stage, and, you know, it's that legendary capacity, that r and b groups had for going into clubs and just destroying. you know, you had to entertain every second, and she certainly developed that capacity when she was working with ike turner, and then just took it to another level, which the two of them broke up and she went out on her own and then began to develop her own stage style that was second to none. and again, beyond that, you know, a little bit of an acting career, you know, she was in the mad max movie, beyond thunder dome, and there was a sense that maybe she might even be able to help there, she told her life

story in so many different venues, of course she wrote books about it, but then there was also a film where angela bassett got one of her oscar nominations, and finally, a musical about her life that also told her story in a different way. so this was an artist who not only inspired with her life story, she figured out a way to tell her life story in a lot of different platforms and venues to reach a lot of different fans. >> i remember seeing adrian warren doing tina turner on broadway. i mean, she made it possible for other people to win awards, all the awards she won, and then the person who played her on the broadway stage, and it was an extremely popular and successful musical. won an award. >> and you know, i would also want to point out that one of the ironies about her life, and she said this many times in interviews, it was tough for her to talk about the abuse she

suffered. and it was difficult for her to reopen those wounds by remembering those times. so it was an odd sort of paradox, on the one hand, she knew that was story was inspiring to people, and she certainly wanted to tell her truth so that people understood what she had been through, but then the success of that story led people to constantly ask her to relive it. which was also really difficult for her. and made it sort of an odd situation where she had these books and a movie, and a musical that was recounting her life story. but it was tough for her to go back to that place, she often did not want to relive those moments by talking about them. >> one of those things that was so inspirational about her, besides the fact that she built this career after extricating herself from this horrific, abusive relationship, was she really set a standard for take k

-- taking control of your life. she controlled so many aspects of her career. what you saw on the stage with tina was ms. turner doing what she wanted to do when the business deals were there to be made, she wasn't handing them off to someone else. she did really show folks that there was not just life after a devastating set of experiences, but she was an incredible businesswoman. >> well, you know, what was interesting, again, another paradox about her life is that even her stage name, tina turner, she did not pick it. ike turner came up with that name. she was born anna may bullock. she discovered, as the lore goes, she discovered her stage name when ike had their first single "a fool in love", and you know, the singer was listed as ike and tina turner.

who's this tina turner. that's you. and so to start off her life in the industry where she's with this very controlling man who even picked her stage name, and then to learn the lessons of how he controlled their career, and then become the person who was in charge, become the person who was choosing where she would play, what kind of materials she would sing, where she would aim her career, and what projects she would take next, i think that, again, is another sign of how her story is about triumphanting over adversity, and -- triumphing over adversity, and you're in control when you're the person who's the source of all the revenue, you're the person people are interested in, you're the person with the talent, making sure you're also the person in charge. that's another way she inspired people. >> she decided to retire in 2009. i think she told the crowd of

75,000 people who had turned out to see her in zurich, i've done enough, i have been performing for 44 years. i really should hang up my dancing shoes. eric, all the other things put aside, she was at the heart, just an incredible, incredible musician and singer. what will she be remembered for in the pantheon of rock 'n' roll? >> as i said, there's two sides to the success that she had, the work that she did with ike and tina turner with their landmark single, full of love, to the version of "proud mary" that she remembers -- that she did, that was performed on tons of tv shows across the country, and her work with phil specter on the song river deep mountain high, which i think sort of gave a sense that she could do something on her own. you know, ike may have felt

threatened by the success of that song, but phil specter produced it, her voice was on it, and there was a sense that her voice could power a pop hit outside of the r and b world. and then when she went out on her own to have these amazing hits, you know, the first album, private dancer, was almost a statement that, you know, i'm here, and i survived this, and you know, songs like, you know, i can't stand the rain, and private dancer and you better be good to me. you know, and then to go on to have, you know, of course the big single that everyone remembers, what's love got to do with it, that was the title of the film that angela bassett started. and, again, you know, sort of embodying her story in a song, and, you know, the hits just go on and on. >> the hits. >> and, you know, it just goes on and on. she had so many great songs, but

i think, you know, when