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>> you're a candidate now, ron. thanks to what is sure to be remembered as the most awkward campaign launch in american history. plus, that's not fair. trump's lawyers channel their inner 8-year-old in a whining complaint to the u.s. attorney general with due apologies to 8-year-olds. later, one year after 19 students and two teachers were gunned down in uvalde, texas, an activist group floats a radical proposal for reining in america's deadly gun culture. and we begin tonight with a question. would you ever hire someone who participated in a deadly insurrection to overtake the u.s. capitol or fellow rioters threatened to kill the house speaker and hang the vice president? would you hire a woman who was once arrested and charged with stealing the campaign signs of a political rival who she had run against for public office? personally i wouldn't and i imagine most of you wouldn't

either. but florida governor ron desantis did. this is sandra atkinson. her investigation by usa today, she was at the capitol riot, inside, in fact. her friend sherry edwards cox also marched for trump in washington but said she went back to her hotel rather than into the capitol. she told usa today that atkinson claimed to be inside then speaker pelosi's office and bragged about being there. something that this guy, remember him? just caught a four-year prison sentence for. nothing like insurrectionist to boost a flat resume. because two months after january 6th, desantis appointed atkinson to the florida board of massage therapy. meaning she had the power to regulate providers the way a medical board regulates doctors. members can grant or revoke state licenses to massage therapists, often because of their criminal histories. which makes atkinson's appointment all the more confusing. she eventually left the board but not for participating in a

violent anti-democratic siege that left five people dead. surely trump and desantis's florida has no problem with that. instead controversy brewed over what she said at a 2022 board meeting when she berated a massage provider who was applying for a license for not speaking english. this is what atkinson said as the provider struggled to communicate with the board. >> if she can't understand or speak english, she shouldn't be practicing massage. it's ridiculous. >> there's no requirement to speak english. >> yeah. to be a massage therapist. >> the laws need to be changed. this is dangerous to the public. >> so i ask you again, would you hire this person? what about a cop with a mad sketchy record, would you hire one or several? that's another thing desantis did. and is still doing. a couple years ago desantis unveiled a plan to recruit police officers from other states who didn't want to submit to covid vaccination

requirements, to come on down and work in florida. luring them with cash, new jobs and the claim that blue lives matters mattered in the free state. according to reporting by the online media outlet daily dot obtained the full list of officers, some have histories of excessive force in their old jobs and outright violence during their new florida gigs. the guardian picked up the story, too, saying the officers include a former trainee deputy, charged with murdering her husband and an officer fired for domestic battery and kidnapping. would you hire these people? for your small business to be a caretaker for your loved one or to work with you in an office? again, ron desantis did. and now he's running for president. just about an hour ago, the prickly florida governor with a penchant for scooping up pudding into his mouth with his fingers kicked off his 2024 presidential

campaign in a convention with twitter troll in chief elon musk. the two odd balls shared on twitter spaces, which most of you have probably never heard of. nothing like a presidential announcement featuring the two most socially awkward men in american public life on a part of twitter barely anyone knows about or uses. as it turns out, things didn't go according to plan. instead, the start of the ron desantis presidential campaign melted down in twitter problems. twitter spaces crashed during the much-anticipated event, disrupted when twitter service apparently could not handle the surge in traffic of about 700,000 people. karma really is a thing, isn't it? after several minutes of awkward silence, throat clearing, palpable confusion, hosts and including desantis disappearing, we got the glitchy audio only announcement from desantis to about one third of the original audience that he is indeed running for president. joining me now is florida democratic party chair nikki freed.

david jolly, msnbc political analyst and former republican congressman and jamal simons, democratic strategist and former communications director for vice president kamala harris. i am -- i don't know where to begin. so i'm just going to go ahead and start with you, jamal. both you and david jolly are sort of this, as are you, nikki freed. you have all run for office. have you ever seen a more weird and more awkward start than the one that ron desantis old pudding fingers had today. >> not in the political start. it's like the political campaign equivalent of the very first baby face versus teddy riley verses in the beginning of the pandemic. remember? all the glitches it didn't work. listen, how you start is a horrible way to get going because everybody will use this as the baseline for your campaign. and everything else will be -- going to be compared to this going forward.

along with the fact that donald trump has spent $13 million taking ron desantis apart for the last few months. now when we talk about him being uninspiring, it's a trope because everybody believes it to be so. and they believe it to be so because the trump people have been telling us for a long time. >> i have to say, you know, look, i have to go to you first, nikki. you're smiling so big i feel like you want to troll. part of the whole premise of what ron desantis is trying to do and probably why he was like, i'll launch on twitter spaces to prove he's young and biden is like old. but biden literally trolled the heck out of him right into the middle of their glitch. like biden -- dark brandon gave them the business on twitter. this is humiliating. >> this is beyond humiliating. it was so predictable. you know, first of all, we have been saying that he failed to launch. so reminds me actually of the movie "failure to launch." this is how indicative of who he

is. you know, we know that he doesn't have the personality to be president of the united states. and so this just shows once again that he's so out of touch with people. look, he spent the last five years here in the state of florida trying to get to this maga extreme base while taking away freedoms here in the state of florida. so there's just so much to unpack with him today and the last five years under ron desantis, but this failure to launch and elon being part of it, it just is the perfect bow on to this presidential campaign. >> absolutely. we're going -- i'm going to -- next round of questions i promise you -- because, right. i think one of the biggest flaws in the way the media has handled ron desantis is that they have only been concerned with is he attacking trump? is he attacking trump? how is he attacking trump and not about the harm he is causing people to florida and the cruelty and meanness of this guy. but i have to do one more, david jolly. i have to give you a shot. this dude is weird. elon musk is also weird and they're also like doing a whole i may not be racist but i do really good impression of

somebody who is really deeply racist. here is a short note here. desantis -- let me just show this of him being gross. sit in meetings and eat in front of people, former desantis staffer told the daily beast. always like a starving animal never eaten before. getting s everywhere. during a private plane trip, he enjoyed a chocolate pudding dessert eating with three fingers. that has like spawned an actual ad that a trump pac run which is gross. it's disgusting. but now let me play just a little sound crush of desantis how odd he is. take a look. >> ron desantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong. and we're not just talking about pudding. desantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements, like cutting medicare, slashing social security, even raising

our retirement age. tell ron desantis to keep his pudding fingers off our money. oh, and somebody get this man a spoon. >> i mean, david, look part of running for office is shaking hands. not only does this dude eat pudding with his hands, he literally wiped his nose and wiped snot on somebody's shirt. we have vo of it. don't shake his hand you'll get pudding or spit on it or get snot on it. don't touch his hands. and that weird laugh. what is going on with this man? >> joy, this is the biggest day in the political life of ron and casey desantis. it has become absolutely humiliating. embarrassing, emasculating, mortifying, choose your word. this has been a disaster for ron and casey desantis. but it is also very telling. i think it speaks to the narrative that the donald trump camp is trying to lay on ron desantis, but honestly tonight now tim scott and nikki haley have a free shot as well because even the decision to do this on

twitter spaces leans into the weirdness of ron desantis. and it also suggests his greatest vulnerability is this idea that he's governor safe space. that he can only be approached and only get in front of people if it's been orchestrated and in a bubble. so he does it on twitter spaces. then we get to the real dangerous part the ideology. he associates tonight with someone who is -- has a platform for regressive ideology, elon musk. and it brings to the forefront these themes that are the christian white nationalist themes that bring up this culture war and marginalizing -- already marginalized communities in the state of florida a disaster for ron desantis today. >> and i'm going to come back to tim scott in just a second, but nikki, this is the thing. is that he goes on with a guy who has brought nazis back to twitter. who has made twitter a horror show for women, for lgbtq people and he himself has made florida such a hell hole for gay people, for trans people, for black people, for immigrants that literally the naacp, equality

florida all issued travel warnings saying it is not necessarily safe to be black, to be gay, to be trans or to be a migrant, to be brown, and to be a woman in florida. six-week abortion ban. he literally is torturing people in his own state. and then saying that is what makes him qualified to be president. >> it's such a ridiculous narrative for ron desantis. to be able to go out to the country and say the free state of florida. you and i have talked about this numerous occasions. you know, that he can't expect that after the most atrocious legislative session gone even further extreme than ron desantis, we got permitless carry in the state, one of the most egregious immigration bills in the country, six-week abortion ban, going after diversity at our higher education system, going after our lgbtq plus youth, you can't expect to have that type of maga extreme agenda taking away freedoms of people all over our state and think that the country is just going to be okay with

you. and i think today on twitter is such indicative of who he is and who he tries to relate to. he's never been on twitter himself. he's probably never done a twitter space. and the fact that he and elon are doing this tonight shows they're so disconnected to people all across the country. most of our rural communities don't have broad band. how are they getting on to twitter or to be able to listen to this space. there's such a disconnect between ron desantis' agenda and what is actually on the minds of people across our country. this failure to launch today is just the start of the end of this presidential campaign. >> you know, joy -- >> can't wait until he does his appearances on tucker carlson's show also on twitter spaces. that's right no, one can watch it because it doesn't work because he fired all the tech people who run the company. i'm sorry, jamal. go. >> i'm sorry. it's your show. >> you're my guest. please speak. >> no. look, to be serious for a second, it does seem like that

they must have made a strategic decision early on in the campaign or whatever this thing was he's been doing for the last year, they must have made a decision that the only space for them was to compete on all the trumpy stuff, right? to do as much trumpy stuff as possible because they don't think that regular republicans are going to show up in a republican primary. only going to get the maga republicans. they have to be credible with the maga republicans and then hope that everybody has amnesia if by some miracle able to take on donald trump, hope everybody has amnesia and run to the middle during a general election. those days are over. you don't get to run like that anymore. campaigns are national. people are paying attention. you have to be the person who you are in the beginning and in fact the only lane that existed for him was a rational lane. there's not that many rational republicans left in their party. >> by the way, people will never forget that people say you banned booked, black history has no value, women in womb slaves and put migrants through hell

and drove them out of your state so your construction projects are going dry. no one is going to forget that, ron or you eat pudding with your fingers and it's disgusting and wiped snot on a man. last thing here, the issue of the other people running because i'm not sure who else is there. can we just real quickly play tim scott's opener, real quick, please. just his launch. ♪♪ >> hello, charleston. >> jamal, what is happening here? >> yeah. you know, tim is a little awkward himself, right? we all just going to have to accept that. he's awkward himself. but also, if you grew up or ever spend time in evangelical church, this is somewhat familiar, right? he's like a praise team leader. he's come out to get the crowd hyped up but where the pastor comes out and gives you the sermon. it's a little familiar for the faithful, but the way tim scott

pulled it off i think he has more work to do. >> i guess my only question to you, david jolly, you'll get the final question. does trump beat this clown show by 20 points or 30? >> yeah, that's right. yeah, look, this is the theory of ron desantis' case and everybody else's. based on the premise that trump will wound himself. the problem is we haven't seen what that looks like. not sexual assault. not impeachment. not january 6th. i think the reason you're seeing tim scott and others get in is they know that ron desantis has hit his ceiling. and they can get in front of ron desantis and have a shot at a one on one with donald trump. >> is there somebody in that group -- can we put the list back up again. oh my god, larry elders on the group, too. that guy that keeps tweeting at me, demanding to get on the show. is there somebody in that list that you think is a credible candidate who also wouldn't be terrifying as president, david? i think that's important. the idea of another round of donald trump is terrifying because it would ruin our democracy. nobody wants that. is there someone on that list who actually could get the

nomination and at least -- if they somehow became president wouldn't destroy us as a country? >> on questions of pure ideology, the democrats have a reason to oppose every single one of them in particular contrast to joe biden. most are unqualified for their failure to speak out against donald trump. moral failing and failing of constitutional duty for those in the senate and house and offices. who is the one person who has spoken out in the race is asa hutchinson. his ideology remains ebs treemly conservative. i think this is a very strong re-election cycle for joe biden in november of '24. >> i think -- our analysis is the same. thank you very much, nikki fried, david jolly, jamal simons, all people who eat pudding with a spoon and we appreciate them for it. up next on "the reidout," you're supposed to eat it with a spoon, y'all. next up, south carolina becomes the latest state to assert total control over women's bodies with a six-week abortion ban. we'll talk with one of the

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for example f you're impregnated from rape or incest and seeking an abortion, you have to report it to the sheriff in the county where the crime took place within 24 hours of when the abortion is performed. your doctor must also inform you that they will report the rape, too. which could be a huge deterrent if your attacker also lives in that town or in your house. doctors also have to rationalize why a woman needs an abortion if her health or the baby's health is in question. to avoid breaking the law. i guess medical evidence is not sufficient. the doctor's then had to keep a copy of your records for seven years after performing the abortion. you know, just in case someone might want to accuse you of getting an abortion illegally later, i guess. passage of this bill ended a filibuster by the state senate's five women senators including three republicans, a democrat and an independent. who were the bill's most outspoken opponents. that didn't matter to commander -- sorry, republican tom davis who told "the

washington post," quote, at some point in time the right of the state to see the unborn child born does take precedent over the woman's right to her body. he didn't add it so i will, under his eye. joining me now is one of those five sister senators independent south carolina state senator mia mccloud. senator mccloud, thank you for being here. i just wonder how it felt to you as one of the few women in that state senate to watch the men of that body take control of the women in your state and their bodies. >> well, joy, thanks for having me. you know, i've said many times that the men in the south carolina senate, they speak with authority because they can't speak from experience. and so, you know, it wasn't a surprise to us that we were not successful this time, although it was very disheartening. we did have the help of senator

davis and two other republican men to defeat the total ban, but they left us this time and they left the women and girls of south carolina. and you know, we are going to continue -- this fight continues. >> i should note, you all were doing a filibuster. you had the support of at least one man and they abandoned you on this revote for this new bill. now, the original abortion ban did not survive a test in the state supreme court. my understanding is the only thing that's changed is not so much this bill but it's the makeup of the court. south carolina is now one of the few states in the country, maybe the only state, with an all-male supreme court after the lone woman on it retired. so basically it is men deciding that women can't get abortions and it's all men who will decide if the law is legal, right?

>> absolutely. and both have changed. both have changed. the bill changed significantly from its original version when we talk about the six-week abortion ban. but the republican majority has stacked the supreme court now with an all-male supreme court. we are the only state in the country that has an all-male supreme court. and it is for this reason. it was for this purpose. and so, you know, we've got major fights ahead of us. we were successful in defeating the total ban with the help of those three republican colleagues, but yesterday, you know, we were not successful in defeating the six-week ban. and i'm sure a challenge, a legal challenge, has already been mounted. >> sure. >> and we will continue to fight. the supreme court will have to

rule on whether this six-week ban passes -- is constitutional or passes constitutional muster. it didn't before. i can't imagine that it would if it's based on the constitution. it won't pass muster again. but now that we have an all-male supreme court there is no female voice. there is no female perspective on the court. and that is by design. it was intentional for a time such as this. >> the southeast is now essentially the handmaid's tale for women in this country. there is no state in the south where a woman has control of her body. all the way west to texas, all the way across including your state now. what in the world are women going to do and girls. we know that south carolina has a very high maternal mortality rate particularly for black women. so my guess is a lot of southern women and a lot of black women are going to die.

>> they are. and a lot of women are going to die. a lot of girls are going to die. and you know, the blood is going to be on the hands of the republican party. and their insatiable need to control us with ridiculous bans that are harmful, that are dangerous, that are hurtful. it's not going to stop, though. if you know anything about south carolina, you know that -- we are not alone in this, but the same proponents of these abortion bans are the ones who said that covid-19 was a hoax and they opposed mask mandates and they opposed temporary shutdowns and even vaccination. >> yeah. >> i've been open about the fact that i live with sickle cell anemia. and you know, my colleagues during the height of the pandemic when we were being called back all for ridiculous bills like that refused to even

wear masks to protect their colleagues in the chamber. so these are the same people that pushed people back to work during the height of the pandemic. you know, they are the same folks who refused to even let us debate a hate crimes bill. so they're not about life. they're not pro life. >> indeed. i think what they want is not just the 1950s but perhaps the 1850s, i will summarize it there. the state's governor said they want to hunt democrats with dogs and most democrats in south carolina are african-americans. >> that too. >> indeed. south carolina state senator mia mccloud, thank you so much for being here. and stay safe. >> thank you for having me. >> god bless. still ahead, trump's attorney would like to have a chat with the u.s. attorney general about how unfair it is that their client is not above the law. i'll be right back.

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bill clinton would like a word. trump posted the letter to his fake twitter, just hours after "the wall street journal" reported smith is wrapping up the criminal probe into trump's handling of classified documents. noting, some of trump's close associates are bracing for his indictment and anticipate being able to fund raise off of prosecution. with me now, harry litman, former deputy assistant attorney general and host of "talking feds" podcast. harry, let's get right to the point. how unusual is it for somebody who hasn't been indicted yet or even if they have to ask to speak to the attorney general of the united states? >> you know, in a case of this magnitude, joy, it's not all that unusual. it's premature because the special counsel here has the powers over u.s. attorney, normally you would go to the u.s. attorney first. but it happens in big cases they say i want to speak to the attorney general and sometimes they get the meeting. so i think for sure it's a pr move and a really bone-headed way to try to get the meeting. it's just basically a broadside

against the administration. but he's going to get an audience with somebody, smith or garland eventually and the request, even the high-handedness of it, i've seen it before i'll put it that way with very prominent defendants. >> sit likely, though, that garland would do it? he appointed jack smith for a reason to keep distance and said up front he's not going to get involved? >> it's unlikely. but again, i have seen it happen if they want to show they're giving them all the process in the world. but, of course, it's clearly a charade the way the letter is written, nobody is expecting -- it's obviously not real appeal to think things through. so garland could do either -- could take it either way. but i think at first he'll say you have to speak with smith. but again, it's not -- it's not that the request is outlandish. it's that the request is so nasty, such a sort of pr move. so it's certainly not designed to succeed.

>> right. and i mean, trump has a long history of saying every judge is unfair, all the judges are unfair, they're unfair, they're unfair, they're unfair. there's two ways i think you can read this. one, that this letter is a panic attack because they think that he is going to get indicted. the other is that it's -- it's literally just sending a letter to raids money. do you read it one way or the other that indictment seems more likely or that they're using this a as another ploy to get money out of the magas. >> look, i think it's both. we have always known so strange this dual track of politics and law and he'll certainly fund raise. but, no, i read it as they're saying holy cow. it's really coming and soon. they read "the wall street journal." smith hasn't told them that. we have that reporting. but they certainly, i think, believe that the hammer is coming down on them and soon. not that they think they'll talk garland out of it, but you take any shot you can. the weird thing here is doesn't seem like the defense lawyers

wrote it. seems like trump dictated it. that's not a good way to get a meeting or to succeed in a meeting. >> you know, the interesting thing about it is donald trump has been treated not worse but better than most americans. i mean, he's literally individual number one in the michael cohen indictment for trump. trump had the affair and paid off people he had affairs with. so he's been treated better than most defendants would. how can he possibly argue he's been treated worse? >> how can he possibly argue? well -- >> he's trump. >> that's look in the dictionary under donald trump. he has skated through the rain drops for what is it seven years. but man, if you look at the whole sort of vign diagram of where he is now, he's like a one-man legal crime wave. does feel to me accountability is coming. but you're certainly right. he's been the luckiest guy in the world. i just think now the teflon is pretty well scraped off and it's

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heard. not as democrats or republicans, but as friends. as neighbors. as parents. as fellow americans. i've known for a long time, it's been hard to make progress. but there will come a point, where our voices are so loud, our determination so clear. we can no longer be stopped. we will act. >> that was president biden today, repeating his call to action. and while he was successful in passing real gun reform back in the 1990s, it feels futile in today's environment. mass shooting after mass shooting, nothing seems to change. maybe it's time to rethink how we address the issue, and try something radically new. by next guests are going to do just that. joining me now, -- president and cofounder of here for the kids, and lake bell, actor screenwriter director and activist. thank you both very much, i'm just gonna give you the floor and let you explain to me your

radical idea for what we can actually do about this nonsense? >> it's actually not that radical, joy. i would argue, it's what's radical, we've grown accustomed to dropping our kids drop at school and not knowing if they're gonna be alive. not knowing at the grocery store forever got to get assassinating. going to the mall and getting murdered. what we're proposing is banning guns and buying them back, that's sensible. guns are are the number one killer of kids in america, sit with that. sit with that. guns are the number one killer of children in america, folks are saying it's radical to ban guns? no, it's actually radical that we've decided to live with this, uvalde, my goodness. what has happened since uvalde? mass shooting after mass shooting after mass shooting. enough, bulletproof back backpacks? that's radical. what sensible, banned guns, by the back, that's what here are the kids doing. we >> know the rest really did that. --

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everything that sucker to set. i recognize we wait. women unemployment and immunity when it comes to sitting in on front lines of doing that i think it was the group of people who don't show up. i don't think it was an extraordinary group of thousands of women who were involved in this. i think it was a demographic that traditionally doesn't have to show up. i think, i'm urging all of my friends, and people flying in from all parts of the country to be there. it's that important. it's like nothing else is more important in, my opinion. >> we will be watching what happens in denver, on june 5th, thank you both very much. wishing you all the luck, as we need. that's tonight's rita. all in with chris hayes starts now. a. >> tonight, on all in. >> miss hutchinson, the white house chief of staff, mark meadows, ever indicate that he was interested in receiving