when the martins booked their vrbo vacation home, they really weren't looking for much: just time with each other. but when they needed support, i got you. they could reach a real person in about a minute. and that's what makes vrbo unique. ♪ it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, i'm

lindsey reiser in for ana cabrera. this morning new pressure on ron desantis after a stumble at the starting line. the florida governor looking to reframe the narrative today after his 2024 rollout on twitter was marred by tech issues. the desantis team spinning it as a victory. >> we had a huge audience. it did -- it was the biggest they'd ever had. it did break the twitter space, and so we're really excited with the enthusiasm. >> his critics had a different take, trump jr. calling it a de-saster. president biden sending out a fund-raising tweet with the caption, this link works. the question today, how does desantis rebound? plus, a warning of financial armageddon, a top agency putting the u.s. credit rating on watch for a possible downgrade with debt ceiling talks coming down to the wire. how an actual downgrade could impact everything from home

buying to credit cards even as members of congress prepare to leave town for a long weekend. sentencing for stewart rhodes, the founder of the far right oath keepers facing up to 25 years in prison for his actions on january 6th. we're live outside the courthouse. we begin with the desantis presidential campaign under pressure to rebound from a rocky rollout. joining us now from miami is nbc news correspondent dasha burns. also with us is former democratic representative val demings of florida, and michael steele who is also an msnbc political analyst. so dasha, what's the reaction from within desantis world about the glitchy rollout here, and what is he doing moving forward? >> look, it's a little bit of a roe shack test, if you are a desantis fan, this was an announcement, a launch that broke the internet that shows the enthusiasm behind this candidate. if you don't like desantis, if you are, you know, a trump fan

especially, trump world is having a field day with this today. one of the spokespeople, steven chung giving us a statement saying glitchy, tech issues, uncomfortable, silences a complete failure to launch, and that's just the candidate. another senior official within team trump when i asked for a response simply sending me back a picture of a glass of wine at a bar in palm beach, florida, so a lot of reaction swirling, but look, this is one moment, this is a big moment, right, the launch. now he's an actual candidate. he's been touring the country for the last few months without an actual campaign. he's been touting his florida blueprint. now he's going to hit the ground next week starting in iowa on tuesday. he did the thing that's the unconventional way to announce. now he's got to do the thing everyone has to do if they're running for president, which is really get the ground game going in these early states. he'll be in iowa. he'll be in new hampshire. he will be in south carolina, so that is going to be the next big

test for him. can he really do the retail politics that you need to do to get voters engaged on the ground. even after this rollout will of course be watching to see how his campaign plays those events in those critical early states, lindsey. >> congresswoman, you know florida politics well. i want to play part of what desantis said yesterday about the culture wars he has made a focal point of his campaign. >> i've been proud as governor to stand for a culture of life. we're not comfortable having this company on a pedestal joined at the hip with the state of florida. our values have just gone in different directions. we proved it could be done in florida. we chose facts over fear when it wasn't popular. we chose education over indoctrination. we've chosen law and order over rioting and disorder. if we can do it there, we can do it for the country. >> talking about joined at the hip, he was obviously talking about disney here. we obviously know he has to get

through the primaries first, and recent polling from quinnipiac and cnn and morning consult have trump with a double-digit lead over desantis. should he beat out trump in a general election matchup, will his florida blueprint come back to bite him? >> good morning, let me just say this, when we think about what happened with the, quote, rollout last night, this is exactly what can happen when ron desantis tries to out trump trump. good luck with that. look, walt disney world, which was in my congressional district is the largest employer in florida. it is beloved by floridians and millions of people come to florida to go to disney world, so it certainly is not indynamic -- indicative of a pro-business stance, which i certainly think the governor would want to have if he has any chance of even winning the primary or getting to the general election. i know that the governor wants

us to focus on the culture wars. the majority of floridians, the majority of american people are not concerned about the culture wars. they're concerned about those everyday issues, those kitchen table issues that affect them like social security and medicare, elder care, the quality of education or protecting our environment and how much money is going in their pockets. and so last night was not a good start for the governor. of course we know that there is time, but he still has a lot of work to do, and fighting with disney is not the way to win. >> michael how important is this next 48 hours for desantis. i mean, do you think that this rollout and how it went, could that potentially scare some big donors? >> yeah, i think it does. i think dasha's got her finger on the pulse of how the campaign is looking at this and certainly how they want voters to look at this. the problem is not the ron

desantis versus trump voter. the problem is every other voter who isn't with ron desantis or donald trump. and there are a lot of them in the republican primary and the republican party. so there is that piece. he still has got to figure out how he gets the footing reset for what was a god awful launch. i mean, i'm just telling you as a former county, state, and national chairman, sometimes the mundane, the typical, traditional rollout, it works. it just saves you a lot of headache, right? you've got the roaring crowd. you're in front of them. you're connecting with people. people want to see that, and when the take on your candidate is he basically does not like people or hanging out with them or talking to them or engaging them, and we've seen some videos of some really weird looks the man gives people just from laughing to acknowledging who

they are, you don't want to create a wall at the very beginning of this campaign by isolaing him with elon musk. really? that's the typical american you want to have a conversation with? so they've got some cleanup to do over the next 48 hours, and the mess they've left on the floor last night is going to make that cleanup a little difficult. >> on the democratic side we saw president biden take a shot at the troubled rollout. that's really the most we've seen him engage in a campaign fight so far. do you think we'll see some more of that, some people called it trolling here, or do you think he's also more likely and his campaign is more likely to let trump and desantis battle it out? >> look, i think the biggest problem that ron desantis had in his rollout was ron desantis, and certainly he's given every candidate in his party who's running for president as well as the president of the united states an opportunity to take a shot at him. that's exactly what campaigning is all about, so look, if i were

president biden, i probably would have done the same thing in a very subtle but very positive way. the bottom line is governor desantis needs to get his act together if he has any chance at all of winning the republican nomination for president. >> michael, that interview desantis did with fox news last night, it was in the 8:00 time frame. it wasn't necessarily with one of their flagship prime time hosts. the network also kind of dunked on desantis essentially calling the announcement a disaster on its home page. how do you think conservative media will play a role in this primary season? >> it's going to be interesting because you can already tell the conflict and the sort of tribalize within the tribe if you will, that's already beginning to set itself up and how, you know, these big media platforms within the conservative ecosystem, you know, is either fox or own or certainly local radio.

now, local radio, a friend of mine sent me a clip from virginia today. the local conservative radio there was ripping him a new one, and so you've got this sort of dynamic space that is already not necessarily bought into desantis. remember, desantis is a political creature of the billionaire donor class of the gop, not from the grass roots. there is not a grass roots orientation about him, and that sets up that dynamic that we're to see play out between the moneyed interest and the established political interest versus what trump owns, which is the folks who actually go out, work, volunteer, and vote in republican primaries. >> dasha burns, former florida congresswoman val demings, and michael steele, thank you to all

of you. as the republican field grows, what do american voters think, joining us from iowa is nbc news correspondent shaq brewster. how are voters on the ground reacting? >> reporter: it's within -- been somewhat of a shrug from voter in iowa. that campaign video was submitted. for folks who were even just casually observing this race, especially republican voters, this came as no surprise. you had desantis here in iowa just about two weeks ago telling people to stay tuned as to whether or not he would be running for president. so those initial impressions have somewhat been formed. i want you to listen to some of those impressions from republican voters because it's not only giving you a hint of how they're viewing the race, but what they're looking at and how they're making that determination between some of the top candidates. >> as an iowan, who do you plan to caucus for? you have some time. >> oh, i'd go for desantis.

>> over president trump? >> yeah. >> why is that? >> trump's got too much baggage. i mean, some of this stuff's going to come and haunt him. >> i'd rather have trump back, but. >> why trump? >> he's always been a nice guy. he's done a lot of stuff for us, you know. >> reporter: the one other common theme i continue to hear from folks, even earlier today, a gentleman i talked to who said he's a fan of elon musk and ron desantis. he said that they're expecting to see a fight. they're expecting to see a fight with donald trump and desantis. they're expecting to see a fight with the other candidate, nikki haley, asa hutchinson, tim scott, they want to see these candidates come to iowa. they also say there's a lot of o'time. we know there will be town halls. there will be debates. there will be rallies. there will be plenty of opportunities for these

candidates to change impressions, make new impressions, and they're looking forward to those visits from these candidates. that's some hope for candidates coming into this race. it's also clear that many republicans are also planning to stick by president trump. lindsey. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. coming up, could the oath keeper's founder face 25 years in prison? we're outside the courthouse as he's being sentenced for his role in the january 6th rye riot. plus, one megastore is the latest target of america's culture wars over pride merchandise, why they're pulling some products from the shelves . remembering the queen of rock and roll, the life and legacy of tina turner. a warning of financial armageddon if we default on our debt. the new alarm bells ringing today about the threat to america's perfect credit rating. .

and only pay for what i need. (man #2) now i'm in charge... ...of my plan. (vo) introducing myplan from verizon, the first and only plan where you pick your perks... ...and save on every one. so you get exactly what you want and only pay for what you need. and it all starts at just $30. on the network you want. because it's your verizon. as someone living with type 2 diabetes, i want to keep it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point. get real about your risks and do something about it. talk to your health care provider about ways to lower your risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. learn more at getrealaboutdiabetes.com

there are new alarm bells surrounding debt ceiling negotiations. fitch ratings, a top credit rating has issued a warning it could downgrade the u.s. credit rating. lawmakers worked until midnight on negotiations and will keep working to get it done according to speaker kevin mccarthy. here's mccarthy moments ago on the capitol steps. >> it is incumbent of us to get this right, and that's why we're working through it. it's not easy but everybody knows their responsibilities. everybody's very professional in these meetings. look, i'm a total optimist. we will get this done, and we will have a better bill because of it. >> all this ahead of congress's holiday weekend. off just a week before the debt ceiling deadline. let's go ahead and bring in mike memoli, nbc news business and data reporter brian cheung, and brendan buck, former adviser to speakers paul ryan and john boehner. the u.s. right now has a perfect

credit rating, what does this warning of a downgrade mean? >> fitch has a perfect triple a rating on the credit worthiness of the united states. what we're talking about here is the reputation of this nation to pay its bills in full and on time. what they said yesterday, fitch ratings, they said, well, we're on watch for a potential downgrade if the united states congress and the white house are unable to get something done by june 1st. suggesting if there is no resolution by that point in time, they would move relatively quickly to downgrade and officially take that aaa status down a notch. that's not happening yet, but we have to remember that s&p ratings did this in 2011. they put a notice for a downgrade and then ultimately downgraded the united states. that was even three days after president obama did sign a resolution. whether or not the other ratings agencies do the same, s&p has already stepped down, they never reraised the rating since 2011. moody's, the third other major credit ratings agency do they

put a notice of a potential downgrade as well. we'll have to watch. >> not all of this is exceptionally surprising, right? we knew the threat of what that would lead to. what impact is this already having on the economy, and what would a downgrade mean for somebody in the next few months, the next year, if they want to buy a house, a car. >> it's important to note, yes, this was largely expected. the timing of this no one knew. this is a warning for a downgrade, no at downgrade its. it explains why the dow jones is down 3/10 of a percent. it's not reacting that negatively to the news. if they do follow through on a downgrade, that undermines the confidence in the u.s. treasury bonds that the government issues. so if that is the case, could you see yields start to rise? if those start to rise, maybe interest rates on car payments, on home loans, on business loans start to rise. that could have a very terrible impact on americans, in addition to the fact we're in a precarious economic position with high inflation, rising interest rates and the banking

issues we've seen the past few weeks. this only likely gets us a little bit closer to recession if they can't resolve this by next thursday. >> we heard from the speaker. what is the reaction from the white house here, and what can you tell us also from the speaker's office about this new warning hear? >> it's so interesting, just a few days ago when i was in japan with the president covering the g-7 summit, a white house official was adamant this is not 2011. this was a note of optimism from that official referring to the fact of that downgrade that came even with a deal that ultimately was reached at the 11th hour, and so this news last night from fitch was an unfortunate echo, i think, to both sides of what that experience was like, and we saw some quick reaction from both sides, a white house official saying that this downgrade reinforces the need for congress to quickly pass a reasonable bipartisan solution and an aide to speaker mccarthy saying this is why the speaker has been urging the white house to engage since february. you see in both of those statements, the talking points

we've been hearing from both sides throughout. it is interesting to hear the change of tones about the negotiations this morning. a white house official i spoke to in the last hour saying bluntly we are close. the negotiations that happened late into the night, in addition to a four-hour session that happened yesterday afternoon were really a sign of progress. speaker mccarthy did use that exact word, progress in an interview this morning on fox news, and so it's an indication that a deal is potentially coming together. now all of us in washington know that deals tend to come truly at the 11th hour, but we are almost getting to the 11th hour. yes, we are a week away from that x date, but based on the requirements of writing the bill, of then following the new house rules that require those 72 hours, there really does need to be a deal in place heading into the weekend so that they can start the process of getting legislation to the president's desk by next thursday, lindsey. >> that's like a day and a half, mike. do you get a sense of where they are in the negotiations there will be something potentially to draft over the weekend, or do you expect negotiations to go

into weekend? >> i think there's certainly new bullishness about a deal coming together in potentially the next 48 hours. i think both sides are reluctant to go beyond that. they know just as we saw last week, remember, things were very positive in the morning, and then we had that pause of roughly eight to ten hours where things seem to be derailed. all it takes is one part of the negotiations to balk at something that was put together overnight to have this unravel in a hurry. it is interesting to see the stock market's reaction so far, not really as cataclysmic as you might have expected from that fitch downgrade or potential downgrade i should say. >> brendan, we talked to brian about what happened in 2011 and that negative watch. how did that impact negotiations then, and how does this new warning change the tone or the urgency today? >> yeah, i think we all understood the stakes quite clearly in 2011, and i think that's why, you know, as dramatic as that whole negotiation and standoff was, there was a level of confidence, i think, of everybody in the room that we weren't ever going

to let something really bad happen. that downgrading came after the fact, i think it surprised a lot of us. john boehner and barack obama were very serious, understood what was at stake, and weren't going to let anything bad happen. i think both sides understand what they're dealing with. they understand the risk of going over the cliff here, and that's why surprise, surprise, here at the very last minute when you need something to come together, here it is. we are somewhat on schedule, and i know it feels like we are running right up against the calendar, and we are. that's almost by design. you have to show your team that you were fighting until the very last minute. i've said this before, this is not a complicated deal to pull together. we're not talking about like what we did in 2011 where it was $2 trillion worth of stuff. this is pretty straightforward. they're going to be able to get a deal in the next few days. that may end up being the easy part. i'm more worried about the drama that happens after a deal comes together and our ability to pass it, pass it quickly and smoothly through the house and the senate. there's a lot more to come here, but i think both the white house

the speaker's office are looking at the calendar very clearly. we've seen what happened in 2011 and we don't want up to it that closely. >> does it worry you that lawmakers are going on recess for the holiday knowing what will have to come after a deal is made? >> i actually think it's a great idea and the reason is kevin mccarthy has said he needs to let the bill sit out for a while so people have time to read it. the last thing you want is for members to be around idle, not doing anything, here over the weekend. that's when trouble starts. that's when people get together and start saying i don't like this. i want something else. i want an amendment. send people home, let them be with their families, read the bill over the weekend and come back and have a vote. that's a much safer strategy for getting a bill passed. >> thank you to all of you. in a rose garden ceremony this afternoon, president biden will nominate air force general c.q. brown jr. to be the next chairman of the joint chiefs of

staff replacing army general mark milley as the top military officer when his term ends in october. if confirmed by the senate, it will mark the first time both top u.s. military positions, the defense secretary and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff are held by african americans. next, facing justice, we're at the d.c. courthouse where oath keepers founder stewart rhodes is being sentenced for his role on january 6th. and ahead, withdrawal, russian mercenaries announce they're leaving the ukrainian city of bakhmut. what does that mean for the war?

hi, i'm katie. i live in flagstaff, arizona. i'm an older student. i'm getting my doctorate in clinical psychology. i do a lot of hiking and kayaking. i needed something to help me gain clarity. so i was in the pharmacy and i saw a display of prevagen and i asked the pharmacist about it. i started taking prevagen and i noticed that i had more cognitive clarity. memory is better. it's been about two years now and it's working for me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. (vo) sail through the heart of historic cities it's been about two years now and it's working for me. and unforgettable scenery with viking. unpack once and get closer to iconic landmarks, local life and cultural treasures. because when you experience europe on a viking longship, you'll spend less time getting there and more time being there. viking. exploring the world in comfort.

i don't know how long it's been there. long enough to produce eggs, it seems. it would appear that it has begun moving towards us!

visionworks. see the difference. i will be a travel influencer... hey, i thought you were on vacation? it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has. what about work? i got you. looking great you guys! ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

right now, we're following news out of washington where oath keepers' founder stewart rhodes is in court for his sentencing for seditious conspiracy relating to the january 6th attack on the capitol. he's the first january 6th defendant convicted of seditious conspiracy to be sentenced and he faces 25 years in prison. let's bring in ryan reilly outside the courthouse and former deputy chief of the criminal division at the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of new york, kristy greenberg. how much time could rhodes have to serve? >> reporter: well, federal prosecutors would like him to serve 25 years behind bars, which they say is on par with some of the sentences that have come out previously for seditious conspiracy. but remember, seditious conspiracy is a very rarely used

charge, so there's not that many cases they can really point back to. they point back to the first bombing of the world trade center in the early 1990s when there was a conviction there. there was a few other cases they pointed to in their legal briefings here. right now inside the courtroom, federal prosecutors are essentially laying out their cases, going through all the organizational steps that stewart rhodes took ahead of january 6th, especially pointing to a lot of the rhetoric that he espoused online, talking about the need to stop biden from taking power and saying that the suggestion that the defense has come up with that a lot of this planning was about interfering with biden after he took office isn't really an excuse. they appointed to the reps caches that he purchased after the january 6th attack and comments he made afterwards saying the only thing he regretted about january 6th is they didn't bring weapons and he would have liked to have seen nancy pelosi hanging from a lamp post. >> according to "the washington post" of the five defendants

convicted of seditious conspiracy in the u.s. in the past two decades, none have received a prison sentence of fewer than ten years. given what we just heard from ryan, what kind of sentencing are you expecting for rhodes, and does it set the stage for the rest of the oath keepers members who have also been charged with seditious conspiracy? >> well, i expect that the judge will be looking at how serious the nature of the conduct is here. i mane, rhodes was a 12-year leader of the oath keepers. he was also the leader of this conspiracy where he led 20 other citizens to forcibly oppose the transfer of power. he has a personal history here of violence, and the danger to the community that he poses here is significant because he has shown no remorse. he has said that he is a victim of political persecution, and that his influence really has only grown in the media spotlight surrounding his case. he's giving media interviews, and saying that he's innocent.

so i think the judge is really going to want to send a message here that -- especially ahead of the 2024 election, that those who resort to violence, those who try to recruit others to engage in violence are going to face harsh punishment. >> and kristy, the department of homeland security put out a warning about the potential for violence ahead of the next election season, 2024, and on a call with reporters yesterday, senior dhs officials said recent charges and sentences against the perpetrators of the january 6th riot could dissuade similar violence in the future. i mean, if you put yourself in the minds of prosecutors in these cases, is that exactly the point? >> absolutely. one of the things that the prosecutors will be pointing to and are going to ask the judge to consider is deterrence. what is the effect on others who may be looking to engage in similar kind of conduct in the future? there is certainly that threat of potential violence going into

the 2024 election threats on government buildings, on minority groups, and so this sentence really if is a significant sentence and i expect that it will be, it really will send a message to others that there are consequences to these kinds of actions. >> ryan, you've been following these prosecutions very closely, what will you be watching for as the sentencing comes down this morning? >> i'll be looking for -- >> interested to see what stewart rhodes does with his time. i'm curious to see what he ends up doing with his time when he has time to give a little bit of a statement before he's sentenced. this is a important propaganda moment for him. i think he could be trying to send out a message more broadly. he wants to be seen as a martyr, he wants to be seen as the nelson mandela as he's put it previously before of the u.s. here. he thinks he's a political prisoner, the government is overreaching here and attempting

to inspire other people. certainly i can expect that, you know, we're going to see him on some far right forums making phone calls to a lot of these outside groups after this sentence is handed down as he's continued to do throughout this proceeding. he wants to get the attention on his case and make himself out to be this political martyr. >> all right, ryan reilly and kristy greenberg, thank you. ahead, fresh video out of guam after the island was blasted by a super typhoon, but first, she was simply the best, remembering the life and legacy of the legendary tina turner, forever our queen of rock and roll. >> i never tried to change my style because of any other style. i just stayed true to what i do. . man, this aint messin', it's perfectin'! with marinated chicken and double cheese. sweet and savory... ...kinda like you and me, chuck. bye, peyton. try the refreshed favorites at subway today.

at pnc bank, you can find us in big cities and small towns across the us, where our focus is to always support the people who live and work there. because you call these communities home, and we do too. pnc bank. with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, my skin was no longer mine. my active psoriatic arthritis joint symptoms held me back. don't let symptoms define you. emerge as you. with tremfya®, most people saw 90% clearer skin at 4 months... ...and the majority stayed clearer, at 5 years. tremfya® is proven to significantly reduce joint pain, stiffness and swelling it's just 6 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. emerge as you. emerge tremfyant®. ask you doctor about tremfya®.

remember the things you loved before asthma got in the way? fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's designed to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. get back to better breathing. ask your doctor about fasenra.

chevy silverado factory-lifted trucks. where will they take you? with the capability of a 2-inch lift. ♪♪ the versatility of the available multi-flex tailgate. ♪♪ and the connection of a 13.4” diagonal touchscreen. chevy silverado. taking adventure to a whole new level. so it's decided, we'll park even deeper into parking spaces so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system

where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's? -no! -no! or you can get a quote with america's number-one motorcycle insurer and maybe save some money while you're at it. all in favor of that. [ horn honking ] there's a lot of buttons and knobs in here. rafael: they're called community schools. cecily: it's the hub of the neighborhood. grant: in addition to academic services, we look at serving the whole family. cecily: no two community schools are alike. john: many of our classes are designed around our own students' cultures. kenny: it's about working with the parents. david: the educators, the parents, the students. rafael: we all come together to better meet the needs of our kids and our families. jackie: it's been really powerful. terry: i'm excited to go to work every day. narrator: california's community schools: reimagining public education.

the tributes just continue to pour in for an absolute icon of the music industry. tina turner who dominated the charts for decades with that legendary voice and stage presence has died at the age of 83. born into humble beginnings in brownsville, tennessee, turner would go on to change popular music as we know it, first along side her then husband ike turner and later as a solo artist winning 12 gram my awards. nbc's joe fryer joins us now. where do you even begin to try

to explain what tina turner has meant to popular music. >> you can start with the fact, look at who's paying tribute to her, cher, mick jagger, beyonce, oprah, that speaks volumes right there about her career. tina turner died peacefully at her home in switzerland after battling a long illness. the tributes are still pouring in for someone who was truly, simply the best. >> reporter: in her iconic song "the best" tina turner was offering praise to someone else. ♪ you're simply the best, better than all the rest ♪ >> reporter: now the world is redirecting those words rite back at her, that includes love from mick jagger writing she helped me so much when i was young, and i will never forget her. tina once took credit for teaching jagger some of his famous moves. ♪ oh, what's love got to do, got to do with it ♪ >> reporter: her life was an inspiration divided into two

parts, an abusive relationship, which she escaped paving the way for a long run as a hit-making grammy winning super star, though she could never fully escape the pain of the past. >> some people called me foolish woman. i think it took a smart woman to live with a man and to live in that situation. that's the credit i give myself. ♪ rolling, rolling, on a river ♪ >> yet tina flourished, finding success in every corner of pop culture. dancing with oprah, starring in a blockbuster movie, mad max beyond thunder dome, inspiring a broadway musical, selling out all those kinetic concerts. ♪♪ >> i want my crowd to be up and really feeling, oh, right, i think i might want to go walking or i might want to go partying some more. i might want to do anything. i like to leave them laughing and feeling optimistic

♪ we don't need another hero ♪ >> and she certainly did leave us optimistic. i was lucky enough to see that last tour in 2009, an unreal performance. so much we focus on the relationship with ike turner, it's important to remember for nearly 40 years she was in a relationship with the love of her life, irvin bach, they meted any -- met in the mid-80s. >> wasn't he the mastermind, the manager behind the comeback? >> yeah, he was just someone who sort of -- he was a music executive, i believe, and he was certainly a huge part of her life. it was much more quiet, but it's just astonishing what she did, thinking that she was in her 40s and 50s when she hit super stardom. >> and she wanted to sell out stadiums. she wanted to be the queen of rock and roll, and she did it. she wanted to sell out like mick jagger and the rolling stones and the beatles, and she did it. >> there was a concert in ree you with 180,000 people there. >> and you haven't youtubed some of those, what a performance. thank you. i want to continue this

conversation with msnbc entertainment contributor chris witherspoon. joe and i are just kind of gushing here, but what are your thoughts here on her just legendary career and impact? >> yeah, i mean, i think it's just -- it's enormous. and to your point, the outpouring from all the different stars, all the fans right now, it's immense, and i think it's so well-deserved. i love just looking at tina as this ultimate comeback story. it's so important to note when she was 44 years old, and she was looking to make this comeback, nobody wanted to sign her. it was michael davies -- i'm sorry, roger davies who was her manager, who believed in her, who got a record label to sign her to become one of the highest grossing, biggest tours also, but again, she stood in her truth. right before that album came out, she gave a big interview where she revealed she was this domestic abuse survivor. i think that whole idea of the truth will set you free really is what it did for her. it took her from being, you know, pa the of ike and tina to

becoming this global phenomenon where she opened doors for the likes of taylor swift, of beyonce, these artists who are right now having these wildly successful tours in arenas as women. nobody was doing that on the scale tina turner was doing it before she did. >> i mean, to that point, she was just so open with her personal life. all the triumphs but also all of the dark times, and you talked about how this really shaped her career and her image here. her relatability, but what have we kind of all learned from that willingness to share? >> yeah, and i think one of my best memories of tina as a kid growing up in the 90s watching her on oprah. as a kid i was like why does she love her so much. what i recognized when you saw her touring with tina, it was that tina, because of her standing in her truth and revealing all that she went through and being of a certain age and being a woman but still

wearing those heels, wearing those wigs, wearing those-- you know, showing the legs and showing what a woman really could be. she was the ultimate symbol of feminism when we didn't really have that in this country. i love this quote oprah gave, she is forever the goddess of rock and roll. she was a role model not only for me but for the world. she encouraged a part of me that i didn't know existed, and for me her anthems, her songs, they are that. they are that blueprint for how we can love and how we can stand in our power. >> that is very important words, and great words to end on, chris witherspoon, thanks for your time, good to see you. coming up next, guam was just pummelled by a super typhoon, a look at the aftermath on the island. and in ukraine, russian mercenaries are withdrawing from the ruinous city of bakhmut. could this be a sign of things to come? you can make it even smarter.

now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on. dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not for sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor about new or worsening

joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. ask your specialist about dupixent. the mosquitoes are just all over the backyard. quiet please. (okay.) wow there, that's good. [bulb breaks] okay. got that one. [glass breaks] whoa! (what's going on?) [mosquitoes buzzing] what? i said get a pro. i did get a pro! an orkin pro. [mosquitoes buzzing] i got you. got mosquitoes? don't call any pro, call the orkin pro. with over 120 years of experience, nobody's better. orkin. the best in pests. thanks for wasting my time.

about two years ago, i realized that jade was overweight. i wish i would have introduced the fresh food a lot sooner. after farmer's dog, she's a much healthier weight. she's a lot more active. and she's able to join us on our adventures. get started at betterforthem.com suffering from sinus congestion, especially at night? and she's able to join us otry vicks sinexs. for instant relief that lasts up to 12 hours.

vicks sinex targets congestion at the source, relieving nasal congestion, and sinus pressure by reducing swelling in the sinuses. try vicks sinex. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ cargurus. shop. buy. sell. online. we have picturing coming out of guam this morning where a massive category 4 typhoon slammed into the u.s. territory last night. heavy rain and winds topping out at 140 miles an hour. tens of thousands remain without power this morning. the severe weather sent this pickup truck flying through the air. it's the worst storm to hit the tropical island in decades. president biden has signed an emergency declaration and the navy has ordered the u.s.s.

nimitz aircraft carrier to assist in recovery. cleanup efforts are expected to take weeks. russian mercenaries are withdrawing from the embattled city of bakhmut. wagner mercenary chief yef againny prigozhin announced he's pulling his fighters out saying they'll be gone by june 1st. the city itself is in ruins. there is little left after months of intense fighting. joining us from kharkiv, ukraine, is nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter. russia claims bakhmut is under their control. ukraine disputes that. what does this withdrawal mean? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, and just to back our audience up a little to this week, prigozhin and his wagner paid mercenary fighters were on the city. of course this is the bloodiest battle of this war. and when they claimed full control of that city last weekend, they also said they're going to pull their troops out on thursday, the 25th. we heard that video and you showed a little clip of that video from yevgeniy prigozhin

this morning announcing, yes, indeed he was going to pull his fighters out. he has this 5:00 a.m. clip that was on telegram earlier where he tells everyone to leave everything, take your toothbrushes, leave the soap behind for the other troops coming in. the plan is, the plan as of now, is that russian regular military troops, lindsey, are going to fill those gaps. the big question, though, is what happens next. all the wagner mercenary fighters are out by june 1st, are regular russian forces who move into those slots going to be able to hold that line? are the ukrainian military, moving around the outskirts of that city, are they going to see this as an opportunity, lindsey? and it's really, really interesting. ukraine doesn't dispute that they also control the city center. what they're saying is there's still a fight for the flanks, for the outskirts of that city. it's really worth remembering that even though bakhmut snot really strategic for either side, it's symbolic for russia, the ukrainians always said really one of their main goals is to tie up a ton of russian resources to organize elsewhere. this week and the following week as the wagner troops come out,

that will be a real test of that. >> and ukrainian officials, molly, are disputing a report that ukraine was behind that attempted drone attack on the kremlin. what have you heard? >> reporter: that's right. i want to be very clear that nbc news has not independently confirmed this "new york times" report that hit late last night and also not independently confirmed the ukrainian reaction, but i'll tell you what's out there. we are certainly chasing sources both here in ukraine and in washington. so "the new york times" yesterday reported i'm just looking down to make sure i get it exactly right many that assessments show the drone attack on the kremlin was probably orchestrated by one of ukraine's special military or intelligence units. now this is exactly what moscow said. moscow pointed the finger directly at kyiv. a senior adviser to president zelenskyy, he has told reuters that ukraine had nothing to do with the, quote, strange and pointless drone attack on the

kremlin and played down the findings of the "new york times." this is certainly something we will be chasing here and; of course, back home in washington. >> molly hunter, appreciate it. thank you. at this hour, our friends over telemundo are hosting a town hall with pope francis live from vatican city. pope francis first jesuit pope speaking to a live audience of students from around the world about issues like climate change and mental health. coming up next, where is the pride? why target says it's pulling some lgbtq merchandise from store shelves just days before pride month. e shelves just dayse pride month.

♪ma ma ma ma♪ [clears throut] for fast sore throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops with two times more menthol per drop*, and the powerful rush of vicks vapors for fast-acting relief you can feel. vicks vapocool drops. fast relief you can feel. i need it cool at night. viyou trying to ices. me out of the bed? baby, only on game nights. you know you are retired right? am i? ya! save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, special financing and free home delivery when you add any base. only at sleep number. (bridget) with thyroid eye disease i hid from the camera. and i wanted to hide from the world. for years, i thought my t.e.d. was beyond help... but then i asked my doctor about tepezza. (vo) tepezza is the only medicine

that treats t.e.d. at the source not just the symptoms. in a clinical studya had less eye bulging. tepezza is an infusion. patients taking tepezza may have tell your doctor right away if you experience high blood pressure, fast heartbeat, shortness of breath or muscle pain. before getting tepezza, tell your doctor if you have diabetes, ibd, or are pregnant, or planning to become pregnant. tepezza may raise blood sugar even if you don't have diabetes and may worsen ibd such as crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis. now, i'm ready to be seen again. visit mytepezza.com to find a ted eye specialist and to see bridget's before and after photos. ♪ tourists

tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ as a business owner, your bottom line so researchers can help life underwater flourish. is always top of mind. so start saving by switching to the mobile service designed for small business: comcast business mobile. flexible data plans mean you can get unlimited data or pay by the gig. all on the most reliable 5g network, with no line activation fees or term contracts...

saving you up to 75% a year. and it's only available to comcast business internet customers. so boost your bottom line by switching today. comcast business. powering possibilities™. ♪ ♪ every day, businesses everywhere are asking. is it possible? with comcast business...it is. is it possible to help keep our online platform safe from cyberthreats? so we can better protect our customer data? absolutely. can we provide health care virtually anywhere? we can help with that. is it possible to use predictive monitoring to address operations issues? we can help with that, too. with global secure networking from comcast business. it's not just possible. it's happening. welcome back. pride merchandise is normally something you see right when you walk into a target store this time of year. but, this year we're going backwards. literally to the back of the

store. nbc's miguel almaguer has more on the controversial move to either remove these items or make them less visible in some states. and why the company says they're doing it. >> reporter: target, one of the nation's largest retailers, is pulling some products that celebrate pride month off store shelves. citing threats to employees, the company says given these volatile circumstances, we are making adjustments to our plans, including removing items that have been at the center of the most significant confrontational behavior. >> these are like naked people on shirts. >> reporter: the retailer removing lgbtq brand from their stores and website whose products featured satanic themes, target also reportedly reviewing its adult collection of tuck friendly swim suits that allows trans people who have not had gender-affirming operations to conceal their private parts. those items have been at the center of misinformation. >> the misinformation here was

that kids were being targeted with this stuff. they realize if they can threaten enough people they can scare enough people in real life locations that maybe support for the lgbtq community will diminish among corporations. >> hi. impressive carrying skills, right? >> reporter: target is hardly the only corporation under attack. last month after a trans gender influencer promoted bud light, conservative commentators and sum celebrities called for a boycott. sales slumped nearly 30%. >> i think there's this really small group who has an outsized voice at this moment in time. and it's of hate and it's of discrimination and it's violent. >> reporter: corporations and controversy with pride month days away. miguel almaguer, nbc news. >> our thanks to miguel almaguer for that report. before we go, dance like no one watching or listening. this morning on rockefeller plaza, that iconic skating rink

is at christmas time, there was a huge dance party. but if you happen to walk by, you wouldn't hear anything. this is called a silent disco. it was completely silent with people having headphones. the music was feeding in to their headphones here. look at them go. just incredible. love those dance moves. get on with your bad selves. thanks for joining us. anna cabrera is back at 10:00 a.m. eastern. jose diaz-balart picks up your coverage right now. good morning. it's 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. the battle over the debt ceiling bringing new consequences this morning as the top u.s. agency threatens to lower america's perfect aaa credit rating. we're exactly a week away from the deadline to make a deal. plus, rough rlout. florida governor ron desantis launching his campaign for president after an announcement full of technical problems. this morning, new reporting about who u.s. officials believe was behind a drone attack on the

kremlin earli