front lines. find a way to get on the ground. and make it about your support for the lgbtq community. >> thank you very much. we have breaking news finally from the federal courthouse here in washington where the founder of the oath keepers has been sentenced today for his role in the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. stewart rhodes was found guilty of seditious conspiracy and obstructing official proceedings. ryan riley is there for us. very briefly, what did they decide? >> reporter: he will spend 18 years in federal prison which is a bit short of what federal prosecutors requested. they went for 25 years but 18 years is a new record in january 6th sentences. it came after stewart rhodes called himself a political prisoner and the judge dismissed that saying he was not a political prisoner and he was a

danger to the country given what the country saw on january 6th and the ongoing threat to democracy. >> thank you. that does it for us. this edition of "andrea mitchell reports". and now "chris jansing reports." >> hello. i'm chris jansing in new york city. tallahassee, we have a problem. ron desantis' glitchy campaign launch sparked gleeful attacks on his opponents. will it also fuel new questions about donors? about whether the governor is ready for a political fight? and how does his team put their rough start in the rear view mirror? plus, the house gop ditching d.c. without avoiding an economic catastrophe. touting progress but making no promise about where things go from here. and breaking news, an 18-year sentence for oath keeper

responder stewart rhodes. we start with ron desantis. his newly minted presidential campaign forced into damage control on day one after his decision to announce live on twitter got maybe the worst reviews for a presidential kickoff in recent history. today instead of riding home on a successful campaign launch, he has to face to face meeting with big donors who may be questioning whether last night was a blip or something more serious. a sign of a campaign and a candidate not ready for the big stage because just like the governor, these are the headlines those deep pocketed donors woke up to. he did something he hasn't done before, responding directly to attacks from donald trump. >> i think a lot of what he's doing is showing everybody that he understands that i've got a

good chance to beat him. he's not criticizing anybody else right now. it's only me. they wouldn't do that if they think i had a chance. they realize i'm offering folks a record of achievement that is second to none. they know that i'm more likely to win the election. >> i want to bring in dasha burns following the governor in miami. shaquille brewster has been talking to voters in iowa about all this. matthew is senior msnbc political analyst. so dasha, is this the way desantis makes his case to those donors today and then tries to put last night, frankly, behind him? >> well, we talked yesterday about how this was a high-risk, high-reward gamble. it is a little bit of a test. if you talk to folks who are desantis fans, they'll say he broke the internet with the amount of enthusiasm. if you talk to he due tractors

or trump world, they're having a field day with this making memes and talking about how this was a failure here. behind me, at the four seasons right now, there are a lot of donors and fund-raisers gathered. he will be meeting with them later today and walking through the plan to execute beyond this launch. because here's the moment where he actually needs to now hit the ground running. he's in. he did the unconventional thing. now he needs to do the conventional thing. the thing candidates have to do, go to the critical early states and make the case to voters. so on tuesday he's headed to iowa, new hampshire, to south carolina, and he will be doing what you need to do with politics. shaking hands and making the case. now, the super pac that he has behind him never back down is emphasizing the doors that they knocked down in states like iowa and new hampshire. they are building out the infrastructure in those states. so here is where the test really

begins. can he make up that ground? he is a candidate closest to trump in the polls but the game is wide. so now they are going to be tested in these early weeks, now that they are officially in the race here. >> i want to play a little bit more of what desantis had to say just this morning. >> some of his attacks, he's moving to the left. attacking immigration amnesty that he supported when he was president for illegal aliens. and i did oppose it because i don't support amnesty. he also attacked me for voting against one of the bloated omnibus spending bills that he supported as president. and i agree. i don't think you should do those bloated bills. we're $31 in debt and he added almost $4 trillion in debt in four years of president. >> so going after trump's record saying he's moving to the left. attacking his actions as president. do you see this marking a new phase of the campaign?

>> it's a news phase but i don't think it will be effective because i don't think ron desantis understands fully who the primary voters are. they're not fiscally conservative. it's not what we used to think of as republican primary voters as fiscally conservative. they actually want to get the benefits of government. they're very culturally conservative is who they are. who they want in a candidate has less to do with policy and more to do with the promotion of the idea of grievance and retribution. so whatever candidate can grab ahold of the grief for the republican primary and grab ahold of the grievance and show they have the capability of taking on everybody they don't like is the candidate the republican primary voters will support. so i think it is another sign that ron desantis doesn't fully understand where the republican primary voters are today. >> it's so crazy. it used to be not that long ago that to launch a successful campaign for president, there

had to be something hopeful, right? something forward-looking. now your argument is and a lot of people would agree with you, if you're going after the primary voter, then you have to feel their grievance, air their grievance, speak their grievance. he didn't do either of those things arguably. not just the launch but in the two subsequent interviews yesterday. he talked about covid, book bans and education. what you can say were more backward looking than forward looking. fair assessment? >> i think that's a very fair assessment. what is interesting to me is there are still candidates in the field ron desantis, nikki haley's announcement. they all think they want competence of government. they don't. they don't want competence of government as seen by nominating donald trump and then renominating him again in the

election and strongly supporting him in this. they want the capability of exacting grievance and they want a politician right now unfortunately, the republican primary, who speaks to fear. again, they don't want government competence. they don't want a unifying force. they don't want someone who can manage government. they want someone who speaks to their fears and is willing to act on those grievances in office. right now the person that typifies that best as shown in all the polls is donald trump. >> so what really matters, shaq, is what folks where you are and folks around the country thought. what are you hearing from voters? >> reporter: well, yesterday didn't change much for voters. if you were paying attention to a presidential election this early, yes, for regular people, this is early to be paying attention. if you're paying attention this early, you already thought ron desantis was a candidate or you knew he would be in this field. that's a lot of what i've been

hearing. yes, yesterday was the official announcement. he filed the paperwork. he released the video. if you are here in iowa, you already saw ads both for and against desantis on the airways. you saw him here a couple weeks ago looking and sounding like a presidential candidate. so among the republican voters who i've been talking to, many have had opinions on this race. they may not have a final decision made but they have the initial perception and it has been set for some time. i want you to listen to those conversations that affect what those perceptions are when i asked the open ended question of who out of all the candidates so far, who are you more likely to support? listen here. >> there is always some space if i see desantis doing some really good things, i might be for him. so far i know that trump is a pretty good choice. >> how about you? have you settled on a candidate? >> trump is tried and tested. we've seen what he was able to do and i look forward to seeing

that again in 2024. >> i go for desantis. >> over president trump? >> yeah. >> why is that? >> trump has too much baggage. i mean, some of the stuff will come and haunt him. >> reporter: the key thing here, chris, we are months and months away from the actual caucus here in this state. in between now and then you'll have debates, rallies, town halls. those retail stops. you will have the real engagements between the candidates and voters. so that's an opportunity for anyone to change the perception of how voters view them. the key thing is when you've had both players kind of here in the space for those paying attention at this point, they already have somewhat of a perception set at this point even though it is this early in the race. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. and we just learned moments ago that a federal judge has given the longest january 6th-related sentence so far.

18 years behind bars handed down against stewart rhodes, founder of the right wing extremist group oath keepers. he had been convicted of sedition conspiracy related to the january 6th attack on the capitol. he did not go quietly. he called himself a political prisoner and accusing antifa and the radical left of targeting trump supporters. nbc's ryan riley joins me, lisa ruben, legal analyst. i want to talk about this sentence. it clearly was important to prosecutors, as you know, ryan. they wanted to set an example. they wanted it to be a deterrent to other domestic terrorists. 18 years, a long time. not as long as the 25 they sought. the argument from his defense attorneys was, this is the guy who served his country. he was an army paratrooper and they also said, you know, he headed this organization which is the organization that got him

into trouble in the first place. in any case, i'm so curious to hear the judge's thinking in this case. why he decided on 18 years. >> reporter: well, the judge wanted to make it abundantly clear that he is not a political prisoner. he's there because of his actions as well as making the point that stewart rhodes has wanted this for a long time. he's talked about violent action against the government for a very long time and he's been involved in these antigovernment incidents for more than a decade. the early obama era. so he's a character we've seen showing up at these moments of political fragility. he was there on january 6th and talking about the idea that the oath keepers can take over and keep trump in office and talking about doing it with or without trump, and saying that they needed to take over the government. this would be lost. january 6th was the final

moment. their final moment to take over the government before in his view, it would be lost forever. as you mentioned, rhodes did not go quietly into the flight. he was using this moment as much as he could to spread additional propaganda, i suppose. and even during his sentencing hearing, he gave an endorsement to the former president saying he hopes donald trump wins in 2024, and saying that's what he meant when he talked about quote, unquote regime change in a comment that he made when he called into a group of individuals who were stationed outside of the jail that holds some january 6th defendants earlier this week. when he talked about regime change, he said he was talking about he hopes donald trump wins in 2024. and donald trump has said that he would pardon some if not all the january 6th defendants that he will be looking very closely at those cases. so obviously, a lot of january 6th defendants are sort of hitching their wagon to trump 24 going forward.

>> can you describe, if you will, sort of the mood around the courthouse? and the expectation going into this? >> reporter: yesterday we had this omnibus hearing for all the oath deeper defendants where we saw the victim impact statements. they didn't want the victims to come in for each individual statements. rhodes was the big one but there was another one for another co-defendant this afternoon. two more tomorrow. so essentially, they were trying to put all these resources together and have them all at once and have the statements all at once. it was remarkable, the difference between the trial and the actual sentencing hearing. during the trial, of course, when you're before a jury, the individuals come in in suits. the defendants are allowed to be dressed up. you try to keep hidden that they were actually incarcerate. that's something the jury isn't supposed to consider.

but now they're showing up in prison garb. so stewart rhodes was wearing what would you expect. an orange jump suit and making these political comments in an orange jump suit. probably not the image he would want to portray to the world but he wanted to use this message through. under federal sentencing guidelines, you have to do at least 80% of the time so this will be a significant sentence and will take him out for at least the next several presidential elections unless he is pardoned by potentially a future president donald trump. >> so defiant to the end, even in his orange jump suit. you went to law school with him. you graduated from law school with him. what do you make of his behavior in court today and just the sentence in general? >> stewart has always been very smart. i'm not just saying that because we share a law degree. there's a certain amount of calculatingness about his conduct as well as his conduct

at the time. his lawyers made a lot out of the fact that he never entered the building. did he that purposefully. he was trying to mitigate any criminal charges that might be brought against him and others. he knowingly didn't let himself get on capitol grounds for a reason. and today he tried to mit gase a tough sentence, 25 years, or he could appeal to the one person who might offer him even greater mitigation, if not a pardon. that's donald trump. >> but he's a smart guy who believes that the 2020 election was stolen, which we all know is patently false. >> that's right. and he not only believed it was stolen. he believed that he and his colleagues, the oath keepers, were akin to the founding fathers in 1775, and sat on a recorded conference call. there is nothing left to do for us but fight. he was determined to use violence. he is a person who has turned to violence in his life again and again in areas small and large, chris. he's been accused by his ex-wife

of domestic abuse. there is a through line for stewart rhodes in his life of continual violence, starting at home and continuing through january 6th. >> one of the things that the prosecutors want to bring through, if i may, is to send a message to other people saying, you think this is a good idea? well, there are consequences to pay for any of the number of things he did including his role in getting all of this together. 25 years, no. but 18 years, how much of a deterrent do you think that could be? or will it make people feel exactly what he said in court today. political persecution. >> i think unfortunately it will have the role of castlifying it. they will say this has a cost. what i'm hoping is for the rank and file members of domestic

terrorism groups in the country, it forces people to have a moment of reckoning with themselves. think before you participate in another moment like january 6th. don't let yourself be caught up. with the torrent of emotions that stewart rhodes have been sentenced. and it is a sentence that will be followed closely as well. the other leader here who has been convicted of seditious conspiracy. 18 years is quite a precedence for his lawyers to contend with. >> that's the question. all the other folks that you talk about, who are still out there who have yet to be sentenced. what are they facing? are most of them just a short period of time? could 18 years end up being not the most serious sentence that comes out of january 6th? >> reporter: you mentioned people who have not yet been sentenced. and there are hundreds who have not been arrested. still waiting on action from the

fbi. and i think this stewart rhodes sentencing, the end of the oath keepers trial, the end of the proud boys trial and the upcoming sentencing is putting a little bit of an opening for federal prosecutors to bring forward a lot of these outstanding cases that are still related to january 6th. these are the ones that will break through. they are really hoping for that general deterrence that they speak about frequently during the sentencing hearings. they're hoping the message gets through. two people who may be tempted to participate in something like this in the future, hoping this will have an impact and make sure that they don't do that going forward. when you have a candidate who is openly supporting january 6th defendants and hugging them the at campaign events and playing videos featuring their voices in a prison choir at his campaign rallies. there's a mixed message there for sure when you have a party, or part of a party that is

united around defending these january 6th defendants that took part in this attack on the capitol on january 6th. >> when these charges were first filed, there was a lot of talk about how tough this could be. it was more than a decade since even seditious conspiracy charges had been brought against anyone. here you have this with stewart rhodes. he's not the only one for a significant sentence. ten years for thomas webster. he assaulted an officer. are you surprised though by the success the prosecutors have had? >> yes and no. the people in the district of columbia, they lived through january 6th maybe differently than the rest of us did. we all saw it vividly and full color on our cameras and tvs but those are places where they walk, where they go. they had their city infiltrated by the protesters who came to the ellipse rally that day. they saw them on their streets,

in the hotels, in the restaurants. so on one hand, i'm not surprised. on the other hand, yes, seditious conspiracy has been notoriously hard to prove and the federal government has done an excellent job so far in two trials getting convictions on seditious conspiracy in both trials. we'll see whether there are others similarly charged in the future. >> you make such a good point. not only do people who work there, often spend more time at the capitol than their own homes and with their own families but you're right. a lot of people in washington take a lot of pride in the beauty of that place and what the buildings represent. we appreciate you both. it's one week to go before the nation runs out of money to pay its bills. after an all nighter but no deal, why are republicans heading home? keep it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death.

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the intensity is ramping up as the calendar ramps down to a possible default as soon as a week from now after that overnight meeting failed to produce a deal. house speaker kevin mccarthy is so confident he's sending them down for the weekend. >> it is incumbent to get this right. that's why we're working through it. it's not easy but everybody knows their responsibilities. everybody is very professional in these meetings. i'm a total optimist.

we will get this done. >> but americans are less hopeful. a new poll shows 71% of americans say they're concerned that the nation will default on its debt. adding fuel to the fire, the key ratings agency fitch has put the nation on a negative ratings watch. that puts more pressure on wall street to get things done. and it is against that back drop we see reports that democrats are growing increasingly frustrated with the white house strategy to get a deal done. i want to bring in msnbc capitol hill correspondent, and host of msnbc's way too early, jonathan. hey, guys. so ryan, what's the sense on the hill right now? >> it does seem like they're moving closer to a deal. the substance of which is still being bandied about both at the white house here in the halls of the capitol. that sense of urgency that you pointed to, the polling, the credit rating agencies. it doesn't seem to have the same look of gloom and doom on

capitol hill. you heard the house speaker express that he is optimistic that they'll pull this all off by june 1st but there is a lot at stake. and you are right to point out, the democrats are frustrated that republicans are leaving this weekend even though the negotiations continue. this is what the democratic leader had to say about the negotiations. >> it's clear to me president biden is continuing to hold the line as it relates to the types of devastating cuts that republicans are trying to jam down the throats of the american people including making sure that he stands up for our veterans. >> so democrats have really entrusted the president, joe biden and his team to be at the front end of these negotiations. for republicans, it's been two key players in particular. garrett graves, a republican congressman, and patrick mchenry of north carolina. we talk to mchenry quite a few

times this morning and his point is that they're getting very close to a deal. but it's that last little bit that could derail the whole process. >> i think we've been close for six or seven days. there is the will to get a deal. everybody is trying to do a fine job of figuring out the finer details of this but nothing is done. and we're at a sensitive phase with sensitive issues that remain. those sensitive issues are the thorniest issues that we've been discussing. >> reporter: what mchenry had to say there is so important. progress really means nothing until they get over the finish line. and then even past the finish line, they have to come up with a product that can pass both the house and the senate. none of that is easy. that's why this june 1st

deadline is a blaring red siren that has everyone nervous. yes, they're getting close but until it's done, anything could happen. >> understanding that for the 7 in 10 americans who are getting really nervous now. how concerning is it that president biden and house speaker mccarthy don't have another meeting on the books? >> it is a worry. they have said they want the staffers to get this to the 1 yard line and then the principals will get it over the end zone. they've gotten a lot closer. there is optimism on both sides of the aisle. the gap in spending has certainly shrunk but this is only half the battle. even after the leaders create a deal, it has to get through congress and there are real doubts about the ability to pass to the house. they might need 100 democrats to

go for it because they think there will be enough republicans who won't. some on the right will not agree to go with any sort of compromise and we are hearing grumblings on the left that they might not be willing to support it. some will say when you get unhappiness on the two extremes, that means the parties are meeting in the middle and a deal must be close. in this case, with the numbers as they are, they can't afford too many folks going the wrong way. the white house is believing still publicly. they think it will get done. time is running out. june 1st is a week away. and it will be quick and severe including americans who might not be getting social security checks the next month, not to mention the markets plummeting and almost surely heading toward recession. >> so let me ask you about something you just touched on. your colleagues at politico wrote about it. this discontent, nervousness, whatever you want to call it,

sounding the alarm among democrats. what's going on there? >> well, i think some democrats feel that the white house might be giving away too much here. the white house pushes back and says, look. the priorities of the party, including the inflation reduction act. we're not negotiating over that. this is something we can make compromises on. some on the left feel they're being put in an uncomfortable position where they would have to support things like work environments for those receiving federal aid including program like snap. so the progressives will tell you throughout the biden administration, they have sort of gotten the short end of the deal a few different times. look at all the long-held priorities we've been able to get past and are now into law. and frankly, they say the progressives don't have anywhere to go. there is no primary challenge to president biden on the horizon.

so they do have confidence that they'll get there. but it might be a vote that some democrats aren't thrilled to have to take. >> thank you both so much. still ahead, we remember the trail blazing queen of rock 'n' roll as tributes pour in for tina turner. we'll talk with someone who knew and collaborated with her. ruth pointer of the legendary pointer singers joins me next.

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today the tributes are pouring in for the queen of rock 'n' roll, tina turner. one day after she died at her home in switzerland following a long illness. beyonce said she is grateful for turner's inspiration and all the ways she paved the way, calling her the epitome of power and passion. viola davis calls her iconic, a survivor, our first symbol of excellence. president barack obama said turner was raw, unstoppable. a star whose light will never fade. and even nasa joined in saying turner's legacy will forever live among the stars. let's bring in ruth pointer, the last surviving member of the amazing pointer sisters. thank you for being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> tell me, what goes through

your mind now when you think about tina and so many people saying so many great things about her today? >> just her strength and her vibe rance and her passion and her loveliness. she was everything to me. i just, i call her my rock and roll queen. >> so when you were hanging out with the queen, two legends, what do they talk about? what was the tina turner offstage like? >> we talked about men. [ laughter ] yeah, i remember, we were doing, "we are the world." me, tina turner, bette midler, we were all huddled in a corner. i think me and bette midler were dating the same guy at the same time.

>> wait a minute. did tina have any advice? >> not really. she was like, whoa, okay. but yeah. i just felt honored to be in her presence, let alone having a chat with her. and of course, my producer at the time, richard perry, was good friends with tina. she would come by the studio and me and my sisters would be recording and watch us record. and we just felt like, oh, my god. she's actually in the studio right now. >> i can't imagine that would make anybody nervous. when you have folks from beyonce to mick jagger talking about the fact that they would not be who they are if not for tina turner, what was her secret sauce? what was it about her? obviously she had those amazing pipes. she could sing like nobody else. what was it about her? you could not take your eyes off of her. >> i think it was just her fearlessness. she was just fearless.

and myself, i took inspiration from her going through the things, domestic violence, i went through the same thing and i always felt like okay, tina is still doing it, i can still do it. she was just always so inspirational when it came to adversity that you can go through and you can come through. she came through and i've got that energy from her and okay, i'll keep going. i'll keep going. if tina will keep going, i'm going to keep going. >> when folks look back on her 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now, we know her music will live on. no doubt about that. how do you think she'll be viewed not just in musical culture but global culture? >> i think everyone will love teen. a i can't think of anyone who does not love her. and relating to her myself when she was in an interview talking about the fact that her voice

was different, and i've always felt like that. i had the lowest voice with may sisters, and i didn't always think i sounded like a girl or feminine. and she gave me the courage to go for it. she will be remembered as that person that just took what she had and worked it to the max. >> well, among her collection of unforgettable hits, do you have a personal favorite? something you sing in the shower? >> i know simply the best is always a favorite of mine. i like that little song that she wrote. nut bush city limits. i play just to inspire myself. >> well, ruth pointer of the great pointer sisters, thank you for what you've done for all of us, making us sing along but also for your kind memories of tina turner today. thank you.

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disturbance. his familiar's attorney said he was trying to protect his mother. the "washington post" reports that murray followed the police officer's commands and had his hands up but was still shot in the chest. officials there have voted to place the police officer on paid administrative leave while the case is investigated by the state. steve patterson is following this for us. and also, detective mark claxton. what more do we can about how this young boy is doing and where this investigation stands? >> according to the family, after darian rounded that corner, met the police officer, he was shot one time in the chest. he collapsed to the ground, apparently after being shot, he was screaming, what did i do wrong? why was i shot? according to medical officials, he suffered a collapsed lung, a lacerated liver. he was rushed to the hospital

where he was put on a ventilator. the silver lining in all of this, in this terrible story, is that he has been soldiering through treatments at the hospital and just a day ago, he was treated at the hospital and released bag to the custody of his family. he's doing okay. the mother spoke about what kind of blessing this was that her family got through this. >> he is blessed. i don't know how else to describe it, how else to describe how he survived that's the only thing i can say, that he was blessed. he has a lot of questions. he asked me in the hospital why they shot him. he was in good spirits. every now and then i look over at him and he'll just cry. >> reporter: he has a lot. questions. the family has a lot of questions including the family attorney. the mississippi bureau of investigation said the officer is on administrative leave and

the family attorney saying there is not only police body cam video but also unreleased gas station security cam video that has not been shown to the public yet. >> you have a little kid who is trying to help his mom who feels that she is threatened. she gives him the phone. she wants him to call for help. he puts his hands up and is allegedly shot. when he asks, what did i do wrong, what is the answer? >> the answer quite clearly is you did nothing wrong. that there needs to be a clear, full-throated investigation. what believed would justify the use of deadly physical force. officers are guided -- across the nation are guided by this use of force continuum, which ranges from the mere presence of an officer to the use of deadly,

physical force on the high end. so, there has to be a significant justification, legal justification for the use of deadly physical force in each of these types of incidents. police officers have a tremendous amount of power and authority. along with that power and authority comes a tremendous amount of responsibility and legal accountability. now we're at the phase where there has to be some legal accountability for his actions. >> what does an investigation like this look like, first of all, mark, but when the family is asking for that bodycam footage to be released. when they want people to see what happened to that little boy, is there an argument not to release it? >> different jurisdictions have different requirements in as far as releasing of bodycam images

and video. quite clearly the investigation should start at the beginning, what was the initial communication from the young man to the police dispatcher, the communications division. what were the subsequent communications from the police dispatcher to the officers who were responding. i want specific details. was there some questioning or indication that there any potential for physical violence against a police officer? were people in a hostage position? what caused the police officer to respond in the manner in which he did respond which quite clearly at this point was excessive and unnecessary and outside the guidelines of the use of force continuum. the investigation should require significant interviews with the victims, the victim's family, the police dispatcher and the police officer himself. i believe he's on leave right

now. >> if i could ask you quickly before we have to wrap this up, what do you think the next step is here? do you have confidence in an investigation? >> it's difficult to have confidence in these types of investigations. i don't know the dynamic between the police and the prosecutor's office or will there be an independent investigation, are the police investigating themselves? what is the relationship of the police department -- there are a lot of variables that will determine how reliable an investigation at this point will be. >> thank you so much. i want to go to developing breaking news now in the rose garden at the white house. president biden is announcing his choice for the next chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, an historic selection. let's listen. >> the economic progress will be made and we'll continue to make it. default puts all that at risk.

congressional leaders understand that and they've all agreed, there will be no default. it's time for congress to act now. i want to be clear, the negotiations we're having with speaker mccarthy is about the outlines of what the budget will look like, not about default. it's about competing visions for america. under my administration we already cut the deficit by $1.7 trillion in the first thee years, but speaker mccarthy and i have a different view of who should bear the burden of getting our fiscal house in order. i don't believe the whole burden should fall on the backs of middle class and working class americans, my republican house friends disagree. they would make huge cuts in important programs that millions of working and middle class americans count on. huge cuts in the number of teachers, police officers, border patrol agents and increased wait times for social security claims. i won't agree to that.

i put forward a proposal that will cut spending by more than 1 trillion, that freezes spending for the next two years. that's on top of the nearly $3 trillion in deficit reduction i previously proposed through spending cuts and new revenue raisers. i propose the wealthy begin paying their fair share which will reduce the deficit and not cut programs for hard working americans who depend on those funds to continue big tax returns for the wealthiest americans. but, we can reduce the deficit in short-term and long-term, and a combination of spending cuts, on programs that help big oil and big pharma by closing tax loopholes and making the wealthy pay their fair share. i reduced the deficit $1.7 trillion without raising a cent and raising taxes for anyone making less than $400,000.

the economy is growing. the only way to move forward is with a bipartisan agreement and i believe we'll come to an agreement that moves us forward and protects the hard working americans in this country. now, for the reason we're here. vice president harris, secretary austin, representative calhoun -- calhoun is not here, mccullom, i want to thank you all for joining us. chairman milley, i want to start by thanking you. i mean it, for your years of service as chairman. i want to thank your incredible wife, holly anne and your two children, peter and mary. your family has served alongside you every step of the way. our entire country is grateful. as chairman, you led our military through the most complex security environment our world has faced in a long time.

we've strengthened our alliances from nato to the indo-pacific and anticipated new threats in domains like space and cyber, addressed challenges that transcend borders and responded to global pandemics by tackling the existential threat of climate change. we have ended the longest war in american history. we continue to take terrorists off the battlefield and we rallied the world to stand with ukraine. through everything, secretary austin and i have had candid and direct counsel. i value his insight, more than that, i truly enjoyed working with you. i trust you completely. completely. you've helped set our country and military on a course that will put us in the strongest possible position to succeed in the years ahead. i'm looking forward to continuing our work together as

you finish your term and prepare to pass the baton to your successor. so, today, i have the honor of introducing my nominee to be the next chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general charles q. brown jr. general brown is a warrior. descended from a proud line of warriors. his father, a u.s. army colonel served in vietnam. his grandfather, master sergeant robert e. brown junior led a segregated unit in world war ii and general brown brings to this role more than 300,000 hours of flight experience. he knows what it means to be in the thick of battle and how to keep your cool when things get hard. like when your f-16 was on fire and you returned to the base in florida in 1991, he had to eject

more than 300 miles per hour landing in the everglades. that's a lot of fun, huh? i tell you what, he was back in the cockpit the next week with a new call sign, swamp thang. i asked him inside the oval, what was it like? i'll tell you about that later. general brown commanded in europe, the middle east and indo-pacific. and he has an unmatched firsthand knowledge of our operational theaters and a strategic vision to understand how they all work together to ensure the security for the american people. while general brown is a proud butt kicking american airman, he's also been an operational leader in the joint force. he gained respect across every service from those who have seen him in action and have become to depend on his judgment. more than that he gained the respect of our allies and

partners around the world who regard general brown as a trusted partner and a top-notch strategist. no matter how complicated the mission, from helping build and lead the coalition now more than 80 nations strong to counter isis threats in the middle east, to positioning our air force for the future in the indo-pacific, general brown has built a reputation across the force as an unflappable and highly effective leader. as someone who creates an environment of team work, trust and executes with excellence, and someone who smokes a mean brisket -- i understand you have that smoker still with you. i won't ask you that. general brown said he doesn't play for second place. he plays to win. that's obvious. that mindset will be an enormous asset to me as commander in chief and to the united states of america.