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regard general brown as a trusted partner and a top-notch strategist. no matter how complicated the mission, from helping build and lead the coalition now more than 80 nations strong to counter isis threats in the middle east, to positioning our air force for the future in the indo-pacific, general brown has built a reputation across the force as an unflappable and highly effective leader. as someone who creates an environment of team work, trust and executes with excellence, and someone who smokes a mean brisket -- i understand you have that smoker still with you. i won't ask you that. general brown said he doesn't play for second place. he plays to win. that's obvious. that mindset will be an enormous asset to me as commander in chief and to the united states of america.
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over the past three years, as chief of staff of the air force, general brown has become known for his signature approach, accelerate, change or lose. general, you're right on. as i often said, our world is at an inflection point where the decisions we make today will determine the course of our world for decades to come. to keep the american people safe, we have to adapt and act quickly. we have to manage our competition with china and meet the reality of renewed aggression in europe. we need to make sure we retain our competitive edge in an age where emerging technologies from ai to 3-d printing could fundamentally change the character of conflict. with general brown as chairman,
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i know i'll be able to rely on his advice and i'll also be able to have a leader who is unafraid to speak his mind. as someone who will deliver a message that needs to be hard and will always do the right thing when it's hard. that's the number one quality a president needs in a chairman. that's the leader, that's the leader that all americans met three years ago when general brown gave an unflinching video testimonial sharing his own experience of racism and his deep love of our country to which he dedicated his entire adult life. it took real backbone and struck a chord not only with military members but all across the
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country. c.q. is an unyielding patriot, that's why three years ago he was confirmed by the united states senate 98-0. i urge the senate to once again confirm general brown with the same overwhelming bipartisan support for his new role as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. i want to recognize c.q.'s family, his wife shareen is here. would you mind standing? thank you. his sons sean and ross. throughout his career in the air force, c.q. and shareen have always put family first and they both know from their own experience growing up as military families, it's not just the person who wears the uniform who serves, the whole family serves. the whole family sacrifices on behalf of the nation. shareen, you and cq are true
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partners and are dedicated to the health and well-being of the men and women in uniform and their families. child care, education, spousal employment, health care, and housing, and i know jill and i look forward to working more closely with you on these issues through her joining forces initiative. let me close with this -- this year will mark the 75th anniversary of an integrated force and the 75th anniversary of women serving in the force and the 50th anniversary of the all-volunteer force. we're celebrating the root of our national strength, the most american of ideas. most self-evident truth that all women and men are created equal and that no more powerful testament to this than the armed forces of the united states of
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america. the steps we've taken over the decades to harness the full diversity of our nation have grown our armed forces into the greatest fighting force in the history of the world. general brown, you have been an essential leader in making our nation and force stronger. you made history, and you have even made it as a "jeopardy!" clue. did you know that? he made it as a "jeopardy!" clue. the daily double, no less. so, thank you, general brown and the whole family for being willing to take on this mission. i can thank no one better suited, no one better suited or qualified to lead our forces through the challenges and responsibilities ahead. i look forward to having you at my side and advising me as the next chairman and helping to keep the american people safe. thank you all. thank all the military in the audience here. thank you for your service.
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thank you for your family's as well. may god protect our troops. thank you. i think once the band started to play it was the signal that president biden was not going to take questions in the rose garden. he made news on a couple of fronts, first, which you just saw, there will be a new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. his name is general charles q. brown. he will serve alongside defense secretary austin. for the first time in u.s. history, two black men will have the top two positions at the pentagon. the second part of the news
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today came at the start of that event, and you just heard a couple of questions shouted about it, that's the ongoing negotiations involving the debt ceiling with a possibility of a catastrophic default now just a week away. speaker mccarthy sending home congressional republicans for the long holiday weekend. i want to bring in ali vitali. what the president just had to say was that he has an offer on the table to cut spending by $1 trillion and to freeze spending for two years. how would that fly with republicans on the hill and maybe with democrats? >> it depends on which republicans you ask. certainly the ones i've been talking to specifically in the house freedom caucus are not fans of the way they see these negotiations going at this point. they have not seen the firm contours, probably because those are still actively coming together, but i think you heard mike memoli in the rose garden
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trying to ask if there would be a deal by the end of the week. the president ignored that question. we asked negotiators if they think a deal can come together by the end of the week, they say they're still actively in these conversations and that would be tough. we know that everyone is going out of town this weekend with the caveat they can be called back at any moment. when you think of the way that mccarthy is trying to balance all of the designs within his conference on this, i spoke with congressman chip roy this morning who has been vocal that he doesn't like what he sees coming out of these negotiations. here's why. watch. >> my point right now is don't take an off-ramp that's five exits too early. let's hold this to the line and stand on the legislation that we passed for the american people. a deal for the sake of a deal is no good. >> now, when the congressman talks about the deal they've already done in the initial version of the house-passed bill, i think most people here were aware of the fact that that bill was going to change from
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its original form, so much so i asked roy and others were they even going to vote for any kind of a bipartisan debt ceiling bill any way? he dodged on that. again, the thing that's important to keep in mind here for republicans at large is the idea of cutting spending. when biden says he's offering a freeze for two years, the thing that conservatives would immediately counter with and have been is saying that is still us extending the debt ceiling until the end of 2024 or 2025. to them, that might be too much. this will be bipartisan in nature, so it doesn't matter what some of those republicans are saying if they can counter balance that with democrats. the important thing is we've been focusing on the house dynamics of this because speaker mccarthy is leading these negotiations, but this still has to go through the senate side of the building. we've already seen some key senators saying they are prepared to gum this process up. the calendar might preach urgency but this is not a
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building responding to that in terms of the process and procedure that will allow them to get there. >> thank you. >> let's talk about what's adding to this urgency. the new comments by the president come as a key credit rating agency warns it may downgrade the u.s.'s perfect aaa debt raiding. joining me now is tom costello. this is what is known as a fitch warning, a lot of people may not have heard of it until today, explain why it is and why it's a big deal. >> there are three big credit rating agencies, s&p, fitch and moody's. fitch is warning because of the possibility of a default, they're warning they might have to lower the united states credit rating, that could therefore make everything more expensive. specifically what that means is overseas holders of u.s. treasuries, of bonds may decide i'm not interested in holding u.s. bonds anymore if the united states can't be counted on to
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pay its debts. if this happens, if we have a credit default or if the country doesn't hit -- or goes through the debt limit talks, here's what could be affected. bonds, mortgages as well, car loans could get more expensive and credit cards. so, what would that mean for individuals out there? who would be affected? who might not get their money if, in fact, the united states blows through these talks, this deadline? it could mean delays on getting your social security checks, federal employees could go without a paycheck. we'll see interest rate hikes, as we said, credit cards and mortgages. we could see, according to many economists, 8.5 million jobs put at stake here. and the possibility of a stock market sliding and again, the issue is if the world loses faith in the united states' ability to pay and fulfill its words on its own obligations and its own debts. interestingly i would tell you that back in 2011, s&p 500
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downgraded the u.s. credit rating because of the ongoing debt limit talks at the time. we did not see that happen with fitch. we did not see it happen with moody's. now fitch is warning this time that this is looking more serious. at the same time, can i tell you, chris, wall street is divided on this. the stock market today is virtually flat. it's not moving a whole lot. the dollar actually strengthened over the last couple of sessions against other key currencies. that would suggest that the world still believes and wall street still believes they will come to an agreement. nonetheless, this big credit rating agency is issuing this warning that it could have to downgrade the united states credit rating, that could impact all of us. >> tom costello, thank you for that. we got the latest data on u.s. home sales, they're a bit lower than expected. diana olick is here to break that down. what are the new numbers? >> these were so-called pending
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home sales, that's the number of signed contracts on existing homes signed in april. it was lower than expected. it was down 20% year over year. if you look at the why, it's because there is so little supply in the existing home market. in the existing market, people don't want to put their homes on the market because mortgage rates are so much higher now. so many people have in the 2%, 3% range, they don't want to trade that to the 7% range and buy another home. we have very little inventory. mortgage rates were in the 6.5% in the 30-year fixed range, that's not the case today. in the last two weeks, we've seen mortgage rates really move higher just in anticipation of this debt issue. and so what that means is now we're at about 7.12% on the 30-year fixed. what does that mean to a buyer? if you are buying a home and you are getting a $400,000 mortgage, your monthly mortgage payment
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two weeks ago would have been $168 less than it is today. that's real money, especially for people stretching to get into the housing market, to afford these high home prices and perhaps spending more than they should. that makes their monthly payment higher. with higher mortgage rates, that's going to throw cold water on the housing market going forward. remember, we're still in the historically busy spring housing market. you have higher mortgage rates, low supplies, still high prices, and then concern over the overall economy. zillow put out a report saying that if the u.s. did, in fact, default on its debt, the 30-year fixed could go over 8%. we have not seen that in a very long time. the only reason we've seen this run on housing the last three years is because mortgage rates were so historically low. that would really put the housing market in a deep freeze. >> wow. thank you very much. as florida governor ron desantis enters the 2024 race,
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from all over the globe. right at your fingertips. ♪ this is how we work now ♪ that old saying don't kick a man while he's down didn't apply to ron desantis' republican opponents last night who were enjoying the glitches that nearly derailed his campaign rollout. donald trump posted this image of a rocket exploding on the launch pad. his team trolling desantis by sending around laughing emojis and images of glasses of wine. asa hutchinson poking fun in a tweet to donors saying this link works. all of it raising the question, does this give new life to any other candidates trying to replace desantis as trump's primary opponent? i want to bring in jonathan
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allen, vaughn hillyard and alliss jordan. the "new york times" was extremely blunt about the response of some others in the race. other attention-salved low-polling republican white house hopefuls tried snagging some of the rubbernecking attention themselves. did desantis leave them an open? >> of course, it was a total disaster. i do not see how ron desantis recovers from such a moment of incompetence. it is your launch. you're supposed to be making a splash. it just falls completely flat. yes, they did have huge openings to attack. i'm sure they're going to continue hammering the message that, look, ron desantis can't even get a presidential launch straight. >> a lot of people have been arguing for a while now that this is a race to number two, desantis has been getting it from all sides these days. nikki haley put out an ad just
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before the governor's rollout. >> you're fired! >> then mr. trump said you're fired. i love that part. >> make america great again. >> make america great again. >> america deserves a choice, not an echo. how unusual is this? they're not going against donald trump, they're not going against joe biden. they're going against the number two guy. >> right. here's nikki haley calling ron desantis the diet to donald trump's coke, the light to donald trump's bud. it's not terribly unusual for candidates at the bottom tier to get some attacks, but what is unusual is they're going after the number two and more unusual is that donald trump polling at over 50% in the republican primary is punching down at desantis at the same time. which means he's effectively the target of the fire of almost
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every candidate. i say almost because south carolina senator tim scott doesn't appear interested in hitting anyone else in this race at all. if he were, he would be looking to take down desantis and move into second position. i think the theory of the republican party has been if there's a two-horse race, that's the only way to beat donald trump, to get every other possible vote out there to beat him. i think that's in question now with trump polling over 50% and at the same time desantis' seriousness, the perceived strength of his potential campaign is the reason that you're seeing trump punch down at him at the same time the others are punching up. people think he may be a strong candidate. >> you've been talking to republican voters for months now. let's say this isn't a one-off. let's say what happened last night with the rollout is just the start of more to come from
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ron desantis. who do you think is best positioned to take over at number two? >> you know, i really think tim scott is in a good place if he just lets desantis and trump have it out. i has a strong operation. he's raised a substantial amount of money and i think he could be a sleeper hit because he's a total contrast from trump and desantis. that's the fundamental problem i think with desantis is why are voters going to go for just a different version of trump that's not charismatic. >> you've been plugged in to republican voters. first, you have to wonder how much time they have to convince people there is a viable alternative to ron desantis, but do they want mr. nice guy? >> this is the issue for all these other candidates. there's a new poll that came out yesterday asking republican voters would you not consider a candidate at all?
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just 15% of republicans said they would not consider ron desantis. 16% said they would not consider donald trump. compare that to others, you're talking about chris christie, 60%. sununu, 55%. pence, 45%. tim scott, 35%. nikki haley, 36%. so you're starting off if you're those guys with that much smaller pool of republican voters to build off of. at the same time you're talking about lightning in these presidential races. you're looking at potentially this field growing even more. i asked what are they doing? this looks like 2016 when essentially they diluted the field. he said, look, if you believe you can change the united states of america for the better, you're going to do it. you're going to run. if you get lightning to strike, you're in good position. a couple years ago, pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar?
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i remember when it was kamala harris and others who outlasted them all. if you have pride, hope, belief that you can make the difference in the country, you get in the race. >> a lot of people have done that and a lot of them have failed. lightning striking is a really hard thing. can you manufacturer it? can you plan for it? strategize for it? do you have to count on the fact that both donald trump and ron desantis are going to implode? >> i think the best-case scenario for any candidate besides donald trump, of course, is that donald trump implodes legally or he's a loose cannon, he could do anything at any given moment. while he's gotten away with everything so far, he keeps upping the ante and he's doing his talks and speeches and more
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outrageous, and you wonder when the moment will be that it has gone too far. >> really interesting breaking news right now. the "washington post" has a new story. what we're learning about trump workers moving boxes at mar-a-lago before fbi agents descended looking for classified documents. don't go away. way.
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the department of homeland security issued a warning for the potential of violence in the leadup to the 2024 election cycle. concerns that extremists could target critical infrastructure, houses of worship, government buildings and lgbtqia+ and minority communities. misinformation surrounding the integrity of the u.s. election system could heighten that risk further. with more on this, nbc's
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homeland security correspondent juliet ainslie joins us now. what do we know now? >> what they're talking about are perceived reactions or nonrealities of the 2024 election cycle. if people have the perception that their vote doesn't count or it's rigged that could be a motivator to violence. i asked senior dhs officials, does that mean you're predicting another january 6th if people don't believe the results of the 2024 election? they said they do think the prosecutions we've seen so far like stewart rhodes, like what we saw yesterday at the sentencing trial of people who were perpetrators of january 6th, that served as a deterrent from other mass events. they thought there might be a protest when trump went to new york and he was charged. there are things they thought could have gotten bigger since january 6th and did not. in the meantime they're worried about still government buildings, government personnel, faith-based institutions.
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of course schools. they point to recent events like the shooting in allen, texas and we have to bring up what happened in d.c. with the u-haul running into lafayette park. we know that person was idealogically motivated. they're worried about domestic that they're focused on now. they sound this alarm. they update this bulletin about every six months so local and state law enforcement know where to put their resources, what to protect and what events they should be worried about. you mentioned lgbtq community, that could be something that law enforcement wants to protect as we move into june, pride parades coming up, those areas could be targeted and they want law enforcement to be ready. >> julia ainsley, thank you for that. now the news regarding classified documents found at
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mar-a-lago. the "washington post" is reporting that two of trump's employees moved papers before the fbi came to his home to retrieve those documents, something the post says the investigators view as suspicious and possible evidence of obstruction. joining me now is devlin barrett who co-wrote this article, and also with us, is lisa ruben. there's a lot here, first, tell us what is at the heart of this new reporting about these papers being moved and when. >> so, first of all, it's important to note how the boxes of documents were moving around mar-a-lago. that's really the first thing we describe in the story. that's essentially a lot of boxes getting moved back into the mar-a-lago storage area on june 2nd. that's important because we know that evening trump's lawyers invite the justice department down to come have a handover of
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some classified documents. what we're basically saying here for the first time is that a lot of these boxes that are so critical in the course of this case were moved just before the justice department arrived. that's just one part of a bunch of new things we're reporting here today. >> let's talk about the second part, which is that you report there was a kind of dress rehearsal for moving around sensitive documents. >> dress rehearsal is a term that was used in sealed court filings to describe a moment before the fbi and justice department really got heavily involved in this in which donald trump and his aides allegedly went through some boxes of material that the national archives were trying to get back. prosecutors and investigators have combed to view that earlier incident of alleged review and moving of boxes as essentially a
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precursor to what happens later at mar-a-lago involving a large number of boxes. >> all right. stick with us, if you can. i want to go to lisa. help us put this into the legal context of a prosecutor building a case. >> i think in terms of a prosecutor building a case, we talked about the espionage act and trump's retention of these documents being something that the justice department was looking at from the outset. increasingly they have what looks to be a very strong obstruction case. they already have on surveillance footage that a former white house aide and current aide to trump was involved in moving these boxes. that's something that devlin and his folks previously reported. we didn't know the timing. the fact it happens on june 2nd, the day before the department of justice visits mar-a-lago is damming in terms of trump's obstruction. the other thing is june 2nd is also the day that that statement
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that has later been proven to be false was drafted by trump lawyer evan corcoran and signed by christina bob, that certified that they had done a thorough search and to the best of their knowledge they were handing over all classified documents that remained at mar-a-lago. the fact that the documents were moved the very day they signed that indicates there could be some other folks here other than donald trump himself that could be looking at some serious criminal exposure. of course, there is prior reporting that the person of interest to the department of justice who moved these boxes with another aide. when i read today's reporting that makes me think the other aide is the person who has given the department of justice more context around when this happened, how it happened, and that that person may be playing ball with the department of justice. >> how does this timeline -- this clearly expands the timeline, right -- play into the
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prosecutors search to see what donald trump's intent was? these are cases built on intent, right? >> that's right. you know, with respect to obstruction, timing is circumstantial evidence of intent. the fact they moved the boxes on june 2nd, the day before the department of justice comes to visit on the 3rd is evidence of intent. but they also have m the fact that this obstruction went on for as long as it did before the department of justice applied for and received a search warrant in august shows they were building the blocks of that obstructive conduct to go to a judge and say we have ample things for a search warrant here. >> everyone wants to know when might there be a decision made. i think grand jury activity has been slower, right, in recent
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weeks. >> that's right. >> does this information tell us anything about what they might know and how quickly they might move on it? >> i don't think this does tell us that. what this story largely does is fill in a lot of keyholes in the timeline and key parts of what allegedly happened that made officials so concerned about obstruction. as far as what happens next, i would just point out that while the grand jury has slowed significantly in the last few weeks, it's also true in covering a lot of political sensitive investigations that prosecutors can spend a lot of time playing with their food, to use bob mueller's old phrase. i don't think we should expect a hammer to fall this week or that week, this month or that month, but i think we can tell the pace of the grand jury work has slowed significantly and obviously the trump lawyers are starting to behave as if they
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want to argue about why there should not be charges here. >> i'm watching as lisa is making copious notes on this story. we printed it out for her. before we have to go, is there something else you want to point to that you think could be significant? >> i do. that has to do with the role of lawyers here. and a half devlin's reporting today they are explaining the other aide who moved the boxes is represented by a lawyer named john irving. john irving also represented former president trump. so we might see some issues. trump already has a dwindling pool of lawyers. evan corcoran has been said to be removed from this investigation after prosecutors were able to pierce the attorney/client privilege, now you have irving representing this person and then with
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president trump. so, we could see a dwindling number of lawyers because of these conflicts. >> thank you, devlin. major decisions with potentially massive implications rests in the hands of the supreme court. will those be the most activating issues for voters in 2024? that's ahead. r this. heck ya! with e*trade you're ready for anything. marriage. kids. college. kids moving back in after college. ♪ here's to getting financially ready for anything! and here's to being single and ready to mingle. who's ready to cha-cha?!
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an indiana doctor's job could be on the line today after she spoke about providing an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim. it's a case that made headlines last summer. just weeks after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. the state medical licensing board will doctor whether dr. bernard should face disciplinary action. she said she followed all child abuse reporting laws and never gave away the child's identity. abortion and all the controversies surrounding it are one of the issues at a critical intersection of the 2024 presidential election and pending supreme court decisions. others involve elections, lgbtq protections, education, all of them set to come out over the next few weeks. it's happening just after florida governor ron desantis, who is, of course, now officially a candidate for
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president said that a 7-2 conservative court mandate is possible. joining me now, former chair of the new york state democratic party and democratic strategy, basil schmichael. do you see where these upcoming decisions could be motivating in the way that dobbs was in 2022? >> absolutely. we have donald trump to thank for this. what he did was conflate ethnic nationalism and economic nationalism and it deepened our culture wars in this country. as a result of that, yes, the dobbs decision was a huge motivating factor. if you think about what helped democrats in 2022, young voters. if you're 18 to 29, that was probably at the top of your list, that drove you to the polls. what we also saw is that it
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motivated three quarters of democrats but also a third of republicans. it's not enough to obviously win, it's enough to pull republican voters away from republican candidates and actually make a dent in their strategy. that's critically important, especially if they live in the suburbs or rural areas. yes, i think that will continue into 2024. when you add all of these other pieces, gun control, which is often talked about, immigration, which we are dealing with all over the country right now, particularly in new york city, and you add on top of that the voter suppression, all of those things will sort of blend into what joe biden talked about in 2020, make a plan to vote. not only do you need to make a plan to vote but go out and vote. that helped democrats then and i imagine in 2024. >> we heard ron desantis, he was in front of a christian group, but he floats this idea that a 7-2 conservative majority
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supreme court is possible. elect me for eight years, 7-2 could happen. how should democrats be messaging and campaigning on that idea? >> well, you couch that in the sort of broader theme of an abborgation of your rights. democrats need to campaign on restoration of rights, everything we fought for and republicans are chipping away at. >> in some cases, not so slowly. >> think about the wisconsin race for that supreme court judge, they had higher turnout than ever before for that race because they recognized the consequences. i think state to state you'll see huge turnout not for just what's happening in the state and democrats need to be good about messaging that but tying it to the rest of the country. there's a concerted effort nationally and locally to mess with your rights and take them away. if we're good with that, if we
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have good, sound messaging and create a narrative around that, i think that mobilizes voters. it's a good tactic on desantis' part to say we're going to deepen -- we're going to deepen the majority, but it's probably not realistic. for democrats, you have to act as though it could happen. >> so, you know, we talk about animating issues. let's talk about them from something you know very well, which is not just the messaging but the grassroots. you go door to door, you get people who are animated by these issues and you talk to people about these specific issues and it's a lot different than it was when you and i -- when i started covering politics and you got into politics, you hope you hit on the right thing. now they look at their ipad and these folks going door to door know everything about the issues that, you know, is it education? somebody in this household is a teacher, right? how do they do that? how do they take what are animating issues and animate? >> right.
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obviously, as you said, we're sophisticated at targeting voters. we can do that digitally, which is incredibly effective as well. so -- >> just texting. >> it could be texting but also digital ads. they're very, very effective and cost effective for campaigns, which is important. there's a look to the future. the reason i say this, in 2020, you had more immigrants vote than had ever voted before. if you think about everything that's happening, many of those voters live in four states, california, new york, texas, florida. what's happening? you have ron desantis and governor abbott sending migrants from those two states to new york, right? so, in my view, part of the conversation is about growing the party around good policy for democrats. growing the party through good policy. part of that policy is making sure that the future voters understand that they're not
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being treated and sort of used as pawns in the politics of pain. there's actually good policy behind some of what they're trying to implement. so, again, it is about talking to voters about good, sound policy and governance, that's what helped them in 2022, and should work for 2024. >> imagine policy actually making a difference when you talk to voters. thank you so much. the global health emergency we once knew may be over, but covid is still killing one person every four minutes. is enough being done to ensure everyone stays protected? dr. vin gupta joins me next. s m.
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>> that's exactly right. thank you as always for highlighting all issues in public health. this is really important for people to keep still top of mind. so, let's orient ourselves. one big change when it comes to vaccines for covid-19, if you received one of the updated shots, there are updated shots circulating as of last fall, chris, those are the most recent version of the covid vaccine, it covers omicron and the original covid virus. if you got one of those shots, you're fully vaccinated. doesn't matter if you got zero to five up until now, one will protect you from ending up in the hospital. what do you need to know, though? if you're over 65 and you're four months out from your last shot, you can get a second shot. the fda actually recently
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recommended those who are medically higher risk over 65 or if you have dialysis needs, if you're medically higher risk and under 65, you can get another shot as well. if you got one of these updated shots last winter, if you're over 65 or have a medically higher risk condition, chris, you can get that second shot. >> fair warning to folks. in china, there's a surge of cases, they say it could peak at 65 million cases per week from this xbb variant. how concerned are you about these new variants? are we prepared to handle not just this but any variant that comes our way? >> i'm less concerned about the xbb variant. that's an omicron subvariant. i know we're talking a lot of technical jargon here, but there's hope that vaccine that folks hopefully got last winter, if you're medically high risk, you're eligible for that second
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shot, that provides protection against these variants circulating in china. luckily the u.s. population is well-protected. to your point, though, what does the winter look like? likely we're moving towards this paradigm, if you're otherwise healthy, no major medical conditions and you're younger than 65, or even if you're over 65, you will probably get that annual shot and it will be updated for the variants that we see come fall and wintertime. we're always susceptible to new variants, especially for coronavirus that mutants often. what's happening in china does not portend a summer surge here in the u.s. i think we're protected against that. >> good to know. dr. vin gupta, always good to see you. avoiding confrontational behavior. the controversy as target pulls merchandise from shelves following threats to its employees. we'll dig into the misinformation campaigns affecting companies and people. you're watching "chris jansing
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today, target is at the center of controversy for pulling some of its products that celebrate pride month. the retail giant says the decision was made after pride displays were vandalized and threats were made against workers both in stores and on social media. miguel almaguer is following this story. >> reporter: target, one of the
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nation's largest retailers is pulling some products that celebrate pride month off store shelves citing threats to employees the company says given these volatile circumstances, we are making adjustments to our plans, including removing items that have been at the center of the most significant confrontational behavior. the retailer removing and reviewing its adult top friendly swim shoots that allows people who have not had gender confirming operations to conceal their private parts. those items have been at center of misinformation. >> the misinformation is that kids were the target of this stuff. if they can scare enough support that maybe support for the lgbtq community will diminish. >> hi, impressive carrying
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skills. >> reporter: target is hardly the only corporation under attack. last month after a transgender influencer promoted bud light, conservative commentators and some celebrities called for a boycott. sales slumped nearly 30%. >> i think there's a really small group who has an outsized voice at this moment and time, it's of hate and discrimination and it's violent. >> reporter: corporations and controversy with pride month days away. miguel almaguer, nbc news. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for chris jansing reports every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. are we getting close to a deal? well, if you pay attention to
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