skills. >> reporter: target is hardly the only corporation under attack. last month after a transgender influencer promoted bud light, conservative commentators and some celebrities called for a boycott. sales slumped nearly 30%. >> i think there's a really small group who has an outsized voice at this moment and time, it's of hate and discrimination and it's violent. >> reporter: corporations and controversy with pride month days away. miguel almaguer, nbc news. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for chris jansing reports every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. are we getting close to a deal? well, if you pay attention to

the howls we're hearing from some lawmakers, it sounds like we might be. on the right, there's chip roy, congressman from texas. "i'm going to have some blunt conversations with my colleagues and the leadership team. i don't like the direction they are headed." freedom caucus member bob goode of virginia saying i'm concerned about rumors that a deal will raise the limit more than we want. senator mike lee from utah, i will use every procedural tool at my disposal to impede a debt ceiling deal that doesn't contain substantial spending and budgetary reforms. on the left, there's the progressive caucus chair who says i think the backlash were to be significant if we are bullied into a bad deal. cori bush of missouri, it won't be helpful to biden re-election

if he slashes funding on things like education. and jim clyburn who says the president should negotiate, negotiate, negotiate and then use the 14th amendment to pay the bills unilaterally if time runs out. it may sound like we're closer but we're not there yet. every hour there's not a deal puts us ever closer to what treasury secretary janet yellen says will be an economic catastrophe. case in point, fitch is signaling that it could downgrade u.s. debt putting us on rating watch negative. what does that mean? what does it do? where are we now? joining me now is white house communications director ben labolt. congratulations on the gig. welcome to the show. >> thanks. thanks for having me. >> where does the negotiation stand? >> we're getting closer to a

deal. the president's negotiating team has been negotiating with house republicans multiple times a day since last sunday when the speaker and the president talked. they went late into last night. there was another meeting today. so, we're getting a bit closer. i think the good news is all congressional leaders have agreed that default is not an option. now there's a negotiation over the terms of the budget path forward. the president, his negotiators, are negotiating to make sure we don't give up key priorities, that we don't place on the backs of hard working americans that they have to fund a tax cut to the tune of $3 trillion for the wealthiest. and that we protect the economic gains of the first two years of this administration, 12.7 million jobs created, manufacturing coming back, every minute in these negotiations the president's negotiators are working to protect those priorities. at the same time trying to get a

deal that will pass both chambers. >> can you give me specifics about where you stand? are you still talking about work requirements first off? >> i don't want toe negotiators. i can tell you that's not the president's preferred path forward. he introduced a budget with $3 trillion worth of cuts. he's put forward a bipartisan agreement in these negotiations that would cut spending by a trillion dollars more. but he doesn't think that should be done on the backs of the most vulnerable in society. he thinks revenue should be a part of the discussion. we brought to the table $200 million in savings by allowing medicare to negotiate prescription drug costs down or eliminating the 30 billion subsidies for oil and gas companies that made $200 billion in profits the past year. we have a different approach to

deficit reduction that house republicans, we're each going to need to give a bit in the negotiation to get things done in time. >> it sounds like the job requirements, you said not preferred, that doesn't mean it's off the table or a red line. are the negotiators able to consider saying yes to some more job requirements, work requirements in exchange for the prescription drug negotiating power or getting rid of those $30 billion in subsidy for oil -- subsidies for oil and gas? >> look, there are already work requirements in many of the programs that we're talking about here. the president voted for them years ago. he thinks the work requirements in those programs are already sufficient and we don't want to create a bunch of bureaucratic paperwork that kicks millions of people off of their health care. that's the posture that negotiators are bringing to the room. i won't get into every detail and red line here because they're in the middle of that

negotiation right now. >> they're not going to discuss medicare. that's what we've been reporting for a while, if there are work requirements, it would be on food stamps perhaps but not medicare. i know you're here to give us the lay of the land. if you're not going to get into details, what else can you tell us about the lay of the land? >> well, what i can tell you about the lay of the land is that negotiators are in the process of doing everything they can to strike a deal on a budget framework. there's a democratic president and a republican house. there was always going to need to be a negotiation over the budget. the president put his budget forward on march 9th. he waited until april 26th until republicans put their budget forward. he had negotiators in the room since then trying to get a deal forward. everyone is aware of the possibility of default. you heard from the president an

hour ago urging congress to avert default now and pass legislation now. that's what we can do from here. ultimately this is a congressional responsibility. >> for so long the president and the white house had said that they weren't negotiating on this. that a debt ceiling wasn't negotiable. it should just be a clean raise. as it had been done in the past. we heard about the lessons learned from 2011, the negotiation with president obama and the republicans. why are you suddenly negotiating now? >> look, i think the president has made clear that default is not negotiable, and there's an agreement from all of the leaders of congress, all four leaders to say that default must be averted. that's what we're heading towards. we're heading towards averting that outcome, which is critical and is going to protect jobs and make sure we don't tip into a recession.

the president put forward his vision for continued investments and things like the clean energy economy or keeping prescription drug costs down. the republicans put forward their vision, which involves a 22% cut to programs like the department of education, like meals on wheels. and so now there's a back and forth to determine the path forward. i don't think the ultimate agreement here is going to look like ten years in spending caps like was agreed to in 2011. but we're still working through the path forward here. that's exactly what negotiators are doing right now. >> why have we heard so much from kevin mccarthy and his lieutenants on this? we hear from them multiple times a day and we heard so little directly from the president, directly from the white house. you're on today, we appreciate it. why aren't we hearing every day from the president at lent talking to reporters or out on the stump, talking about how it's a bad idea to default. if you watch television or read

any newspaper or news letter, you'll see a ton from republicans and some democratic lawmakers and not so much from the white house other than memos. >> you have heard from the president in this discussion beginning march 9th. he's been out there at least once a week on this. he -- >> kevin mccarthy is out there multiple times a day. >> he's a member of congress. they hold press conferences a number of times a day. >> he walks to leave the white house, he walks by reporters. >> i don't think that will be helpful in leading the negotiations, you want to preserve the power of the bully pulpit for critical moments. you heard from the president an hour ago. >> it was very quick. would you say this is not a

critical moment? janet yellen said we would be going towards economic catastrophe if we defaulted. >> i do think it's a critical moment, which is why you heard from the president holding a full press confere mutes of questions on sunday. he provided another update today. you heard from his press secretary every single day. the fact is when you're involved in a complex negotiation you need to empower people in the room to be able to land the plane. the president has weighed in at key moments. he spoke directly to speaker mccarthy last sunday. he called the leaders of congress to the white house multiple times to meet. he'll continue to be hands on when his intervention can help land the deal. >> how hands on will he be to convince nervous democrats who expressed their nerves -- i named a few at the top, that the white house is going to be giving way too much to the republicans? >> well, i would say don't pre-judge the agreement before you have read the agreement.

we're not at the final agreement yet. the president and his team have been doing everything they can to preserve key parts of his agenda, to protect medicare, to protect social security, to protect the millions of americans who get their health insurance from medicaid. so i'd recommend not prejudging it until that agreement is in front of them. >> ben labolt, enjoyed having you on. congratulations on the new gig. >> thank you. coming up, the view from capitol hill is next. plus, he led the plot to keep then president trump in power. today he was sentenced to 18 years in prison. what stewart rhodes said for himself in court. and there's new reporting on the classified documents search at mar-a-lago. what the "washington post" just learned about what workers did right before the fbi searched donald trump's palm beach home. we're back in 60 seconds. (man) now i'm in charge... ...of my plan.

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top gop negotiator congressman patrick mchenry gave reporters a brief update on capitol hill about debt negotiations a moment ago. let's listen. >> everybody is trying to do a fine job of figuring out the finer of this. but nothing is done. we're at a sensitive phase with sensitive issues that remain. those sensitive issues are the thorniest issues that we've been discussing. >> joining me now is kayla tausche, and garrett haake and john bresnihan. garrett, give me what you know. >> there are two ways to say nothing, the one is avoid saying anything, and saying a lot but very little. the thorniest issues are the top

line spending numbers. it's the idea of a significant cut in spending into next year and where that cut would fall, which based on the reporting we've been able to do is almost entirely on discretionary domestic spending. the programs that democrats care the most about and republicans have been eager to see cut. what we've been seeing it the camps going back into their corners, by that i mean everyone not directly involved in the negotiations themselves. democrats have done everything they can to paint these republican cuts as extreme saying they would be devastating and trying to draw attention to what they believe would be the real human cost of the dollars and cents cuts that republicans want to make. republicans, particularly those on the far right have been trying to, in their view, give mccarthy more backup but more directly injecting more of their own priorities that they know might not pass into this bill. there's a new letter from the freedom caucus doing exactly

that. it's the kind of things you would expect to see in advance of a deal. i don't know how far in advance, but the far ends are likely to fall off and we'll see where we fall in the middle. >> let's talk about the $200 billion for prescription drug negotiations, 30 billion in trying to get rid of subsidies for oil and gas. are those actually on the table? i know the white house wants them to be. >> definitely discussion about prescription drugs. that's still in play. i think it's going to be tougher for them to do anything on the oil and gas side. republicans would oppose -- democrats would oppose that, i can see joe manchin not liking something along those lines. he pushed for more energy production. i think what ben said was interesting, he talked about

the -- referred to extending the trump tax cuts, and how they've been opposed to that. and the president throughout these talks has brought up directly with mccarthy, you know, i want to close some loopholes, raise some taxes. mccarthy rejected it. now they're trying to narrow that down. i do think they have to find some revenue somewhere. they have to give democrats some cover. i think garrett's point is very accurate and what you said, the left and the right won't like this. the far-left, the far-right, it's can they get 218 house members in the middle on both sides, center right, center left and can they get 60 senators? that will be the big issue. >> kayla, the fitch announcement that the u.s. is on credit watch essentially. did that help jump start things? >> if the stock market had fallen it probably would have been more of a boon, just like

back in 2011 when s&p downgraded the u.s. credit rating then. the stock market fell 7% across the board and negotiators got their act together quickly when they saw that people were not happy about their 401(k)s dropping. the market reaction to this warning is milk toast, but it's still a warning. this is fitch saying to lawmakers, essentially what janet yellen has been saying, you have to pay your bills, if you don't pay social security or veterans benefits, if you could be considered in a technical default, we will downgrade you. >> garrett, how likely are we to get a deal this weekend? if we do get a deal this weekend, what's the timeline for getting something on the floor for the white house and then the senate passing it and the president signing it? >> the second question helps to

answer the first. if kevin mccarthy is sticking to the timeline he laid out, including the 72-hour rule which would give his conference and house members three full days to read this bill, they have to come to a deal by today or tomorrow. you can't put a deal on the floor. a deal doesn't count towards your 72 hours. you figure you get a deal, maybe a day if you're being really generous about it to turn that deal into legislation. three days for it to cook. then you're into the middle of next week for the house to vote and the senate to take it up. they have to get this done in the next 24 hours max if you want to beat the june 1st deadline. >> june 1st is wednesday of next week. i'm sorry, it's thursday of next week. if we bleed into the middle of the following week, to the 7th or 8th, is there a feeling that janet yellen was earlying up the date by a week or so and they do have a little extra time?

>> i think this is very, very difficult to predict. there are huge sums of money coming in and out of the treasury department every day. tens of billions of dollars. i think having covered what happened in 2011 versus now -- like in 2011, geithner was the treasury secretary and said this is the day we're going to default. if congress doesn't act and a new debt limit is not raised by that date, we'll default. we came within 48 hours of an actual default. in this case, janet yellen warned about an economic catastrophe, as has the white house, but she's never said the default will happen this day. there's always been a little -- always been a little wiggle room here. this has made republicans suspicious to saying she hasn't been transparent, she hasn't told us what's going on. really what is the x date? what's the real date? so, i do think there are -- the

assumption and i think we're talking about wall street thinks it's not june 1st. there's a little wiggle room. i don't think there's a lot. there's big payments that have to go out before june 15th at the treasury department. i think this is, you know -- we could get close to default here. again, janet yellen has not said we have to have a deal by, you know, june whatever or, you know, the world ends. i think that has kind of encouraged republicans to keep pushing this as hard as they can >> kayla, the assumption is that wall street would have a negative reaction in the lead up to this. so far we have not yet seen that? is wall street shrugging this off? >> there are different parts of wall street that are reacting in their own way to this. it's safe to say the stock market has not had the negative reaction that i think many have expected. partially that's because both parties negotiating have said there will not be a default. i think the market has been taking that at face value.

the cost for the treasury department to borrow dead is going up. that's essentially the economic participants saying the u.s. is becoming a riskier investment, at least for the next few months. if you buy a treasury bill and you need paid back in one or two months, maybe that's not a likely scenario. that's a tricky position to be in, especially for the country that has long been one of the safest investments in the entire world. one of the things that secretary yellen is trying to figure out is lawmakers often draw household metaphor when they talk about the finances of the country, this is like paying your car payment but not paying your utility payment for the next few days to try to make sure you have enough cash flow. >> thank you all very much. coming up, a convenient target. what the attorney for oath keeper stewart rhodes said he will do next. and unboxing what happened

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a classified documents dress rehearsal. people familiar tell the "washington post" that investigators in the mar-a-lago probe have evidence of possible obstruction by former president donald trump. joining me now is one of the reporters who broke that story, josh dossey. i'll preface this by saying nbc news has not confirmed this reporting, but, josh, tell us what you know. >> yes, what we're reporting is the day before the fbi and doj show up at mar-a-lago to get classified documents back from a subpoena, two trump employees moved boxes into a storage room. we previously reported that the boxes had been taken out after

the subpoena was received and right before doj and the fbi come to mar-a-lago, they put put boxes back into the storage room. if you remember the former president and his former lawyer tell the fbi and the doj that you can look at the documents in the storage room. what we know now, is there a period of time when the boxes are not there and they're put back in there one day before the feds come to pick up the documents. the other things that we reported in this story, the federal authorities have multiple witnesses who say that former president trump left classified documents out after leaving his presidency and showed documents to people who had visited him at mar-a-lago. and that there was a plan long before the subpoena arrived, trump aides went through a dress

rehearsal according to the words of a federal judge on how to keep documents from going back to the government. those are the three main elements of our story today. >> explain the dress rehearsal more. what does that mean? a dress rehearsal to keep documents from going back to the federal government. >> former president trump and his team were monitoring requests that they wanted all these documents back. former president trump was getting advice from people that he didn't want to give some of these documents back, he wanted to keep them. so he gave an idea how they would not give the documents back. and the federal judge howell described their actions in that period as analogous to a dress rehearsal for what they did when federal authorities then asked for the documents through a subpoena. the obfuscation that went on in not returning the documents to the national archives when

requested. >> what could this indicate to prosecutors like jack smith about donald trump's intention and his motivation? >> well, what we know is that this investigation has slowed down. it's believed by multiple people who were involved, who have been questioned, to be nearing its completion stages. and that federal officials have obtained a considerable amount of evidence, according to our reporting and the reporting of others, witness testimony, emails, text messages that show obstructive elements. obviously, no charges have been brought yet. so much of this case hinges on not only former president trump taking the documents to mar-a-lago, but what investigators have focused on extensively is why after being asked to give them back so many times, why did he not give them back? how did he try to keep them? who else was involved in a subterfuge to keep the documents at mar-a-lago? and were the documents really in the storage room as he claimed or did he keep some out to show

people coming in or others? the story has become less about him taking the documents and the original element, but the investigation, which is nearing its -- believed to be nearing its final stages has focused more on what he did with the documents there. >> what can you tell us about the meeting his lawyers have requested with merrick garland? are they going to get that? >> that's unclear. so far they have not. what we understand that meeting to be is for former president trump's attorneys to make a compelling case on why charges should not be brought against him and others. oftentimes in criminal cases defense attorneys meet with prosecutors before charges are brought while they're making these decisions to try to make a case for why they shouldn't be brought. we reported this happened with hunter biden's attorneys and doj in that criminal investigation, this meeting has not been set yet. but they asked for this meeting which clearly signals, according to our sources, that they

understand this is nearing a final stage. >> thank you very much. oath keepers founder stewart rhodes got handed the longest prison sentence of any january 6th person to date. he will spend 18 years behind bars. rhodes signed no signs of remorse in court today. he called himself a political prisoner. the judge called him an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and to the republican and to the very fabric of democracy. joining me now from outside district court in washington is ryan reilly. what is rhodes and his team going to try next? >> you know, i think the appeal is what they'll try next. for rhodes this was about trying to make himself out to be a martyr. he has not really shut up, i think as his lawyers would have wanted him to ahead of trial.

typically when you see defendants, they'll go quiet before a sentencing hearing, especially, and not make more statements that could be used against them. he's been pretty vocal throughout and since his arrest. he called a number of supporters of january 6th defendants who were gathered outside the jail here and talked about regime change. that was brought up in court by prosecutors just a few days later. what he said what he meant by regime change is that he hopes donald trump gets elected in 2024. they're trying to push this out as far as they can in hopes that donald trump comes back into office and he will pardon them as he said he would do for many if not all of the january 6th defendants. he was hugging january 6th offenders at rallies and putting

promoting their causes and help raise money for them that we've seen at political rallies as well. this is just what i think a lot of the defendants are hoping for here is that donald trump comes back into office and then this all sort of goes away with the stroke of a pen. >> here's what stewart rhodes' lawyers said after the sentencing. >> it was his words that led him to where he is and not his actions. there's no way that he was the leader or the director of what happened on january 6th. he was a convenient target. the oath keepers were a convenient target. the doj looked at them and said here are the scapegoats of what happened on january 6th. >> let's talk about kelly megs. what's going on with that sentencing? >> that's right. kelly megs is just going through his sentencing right now. the government is also seeking a significant sentence here. i think we could expect a

sentence that's lower than rhodes, but what the government says is that absent stewart rhodes, this is the individual most responsible. he owned a car dealership in florida. his wife is another january 6th defendant as well. they're very involved in this entire incident and i think we could see a significant sentence there as well. it remains to be seen whether it will be the second longest sentence because right now we have a sentence of 14 years. we're basically clearing the charts today and tomorrow, i think, because we'll have two additional sentences for these other oath keeper defendants coming up tomorrow and then some additional sentences for some oath keepers who will be tried separately next week. this could take over the charts, so to speak, in terms of the longest sentences that we've seen thus far in any january 6th cases. >> ryan, thank you. coming up, he's in. now how does he beat donald

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he doesn't criticize anybody else now. it's only me. they wouldn't do that if they didn't think i had a chance. >> so, what i'll be watching for on the campaign trail next week is how does he deal with the trump factor when he's actually on the ground and talking to voters. if he takes any questions about that, what will be his response. >> shaq, what are you hearing from voters? >> i'm hearing there's not much surprise that governor desantis is now officially in the race. we saw the official announcement yesterday. there was the video, the twitter space, for folks in iowa, they saw desantis in the state about two weeks ago when he was looking and sounding like a presidential candidate and telling people to stay tuned. if you turn on the tv, you see campaign ads attacking desantis already from the pro-trump super pack and you see some of desantis' ads from his super pack defending him. it already looks and feels and has felt like a campaign for some time.

because of that, some voters have formed some initial preferences already. they have some preferences on which candidates they support. plenty are persuadable and looking at options. i want you to look at one of the conversations i had, it not only shows that voters are persuadable but what they're focused on today are different than what some of the candidates and us in the media have been talking about. >> i'm looking for alternative republican candidates for trump. >> why is that? >> not a fan of trump and his overall way of did-- his morals, his actions in the past have been offensive. >> the glitchiness of his twitter announcement, does that have an impact on your support? >> not really. >> why not? >> that's just a minor event. i don't see that as impacting my overall view of him as a candidate. >> that last point is probably

the point i heard the most when i asked about that. folks just didn't know about that. the other point is that folks are not checked into this race just yet, even if they know about the candidates and they know about tection. i think it's a reminder that there's so much time between now and february. so many rallies, town halls, debates that are going to happen, so many interactions not just between the candidates but between the candidates and voters that will take place that there's plenty of time for things to change from how we're viewing them right now. >> i understand the desire by rivals to jump on and say what an embarrassing mess, voters won't care all that much. doesn't make a difference whether you had a great rollout or not. it's about what are you going to do or who do you like more? that's still my open question for the republican primary, if you're not going to go after trump, really go after him to try to say who you are compared to who he is, how are you going to beat him? unless he just drops out on his

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