something that we can run. >> reporter: the world he's biggest airline promising vacation 2023 will be busiest and smoother than last year. tom costello, nbc news. that will do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for chris jansing reports every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 eastern. have a great memorial day and i'll see you on memorial day at noon eastern right here on msnbc. but our coverage continues now with katy tur reports. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. when the white house and speaker mccarthy agree on a deal, who is going to vote for it in there is a lot of howling from both republicans and democrats, members of the freedom caucus don't want any negotiation, hold the line they are saying, stick to the bill house republicans passed last month. others are worried about spending caps and are demanding

work requirements. but a lot of democrats say those work requirements are a red line. it could cost swing seat lawmakers in 2024 they warn. democrats say this whole crisis is manufactured, the only reason it is a problem is because republicans needed a political ax to swing at the democratic president they argue pointing to matt gaetz. he admitted they say, he called the debt ceiling his, quote, hostage. punch bowl has reported hakeem jeffries is conveying that message to the white house while also assuring house dems the white house is listening. at the same time punch bowl says jeffries is warning the white house they can't assume that they will have the 80 to 100 democratic votes they will need. so let's ask again as it becomes increasingly likely that kevin mccarthy and president biden will come to a deal, who can they count on to vote for it? joining me now is kayla tausche

and also garrett haake. so kayla, where is the president going this weekend, is he going to camp david for the holiday? and i ask this because politico quotes a lawmaker as saying please tell me that is not true, a house democrat who was granted anonymity. you will see a caucus so pissed if he is stupid enough to do that. >> the president is scheduled to go to camp david this evening. he is expected to depart around dinnertime. but of course the plans are fluid. he could go later in the weekend. it is a pretty short flight or drive depending on the weather and something that he can always reserve the right to do if there is a deal. his schedule today is pretty open. he is hosting the championship basketball teams men's and women's here at the white house throughout the day. and that is really all that is on his schedule. so there is amp time for phone

calls, for updates from aides. and we expect that the negotiating team is huddled trying to figure out where are things standing right now, what was fluid, what is still moving and what is landing into place. can we sell the president. is he on board. and then in turn how many democrats can we get on board and what does the whip count look like. the president until this point has been involved in so far as when he feels like he needs to be the closer and have the public face like he did on monday, they had that meeting. but we haven't really seen him talk about the debt ceiling throughout the rest of the week apart from very brief remarks yesterday. he is also scheduled to go to wilmington later in the weekend where he will honor the anniversary of the death of his son beau biden who pass away from brain cancer. but certainly the white house knows he is president wherever he goes and some of those plans can change and may need to change. >> he is close by, he can pick up a phone. garrett, on the other side the house if i'm right, the house is

now in recess? what is going on with the negotiation? >> reporter: there is no plans for the negotiators from the house republican side to meet with the white house today. we're told by one of those negotiators who just came back into speaker mccarthy's office for another set of republican on republican meetings. right now this is a little bit of a mess. if the president gets on that helicopter to camp david later this afternoon without a deal, he won't have anything to sign by june 1, that is just the math at this point. there has to be a deal that becomes a bill, a bill that sits for 72 hours before it can go to the house floor, then it has to pass the house which you described is a bit of a magic trick in and of itself getting together the necessary votes. and then by the way there is the senate who have been sidelined this whole process and have feelings about this too. mike lee tweeting yesterday that he was going to do everything he could to hold up a bill that didn't make substantial changes to how this country spends

money. but if there is activity happening, we know it is behind the scenes. so something like work requirements, one of the key negotiators asked if they would be willing to drop that, his response, hell no. >> let's talk about the magic trick you mentioned. the getting enough votes to pass any deal. punch bowl is reporting hakeem jeffries said you can't assume that you will get the 80 to 100 that you need. are they concerned about just the work requirements or the fact that the white house is negotiating at all the when they said for so long that they couldn't negotiate, period? >> reporter: sort of the latter. bottom line is there is nothing in this bill as it is being constructed as we can tell that house democrats actually want. i mean, the passage of a bill here would achieve only them not having a loss in the sense that we'd be able to raise the debt

ceiling. we would have averted crisis. but at every term as they try to raise revenue or achieve reduction through things like democrats want to see like medicare being able to negotiate more prescription drug prices for example, house republicans have tried to block that. and so house democrats are essentially being asked to walk the plank for a bill that they hate but yet the president and the whole country bottom line needs. that is an ugly ask for house democrats as it would be for senate democrats. but again, this is where we get into the situation that we complain about in other contexts that there are so few competitive seats in congress in in any given year. so that might serve to the advantage of safe seat democrats who may hold their nose and vote for something for the good of the country that they don't like. >> and kayla, let me ask you about social security. there is a report that that is on the chopping block -- not

social security, but the irs, funding to the irs to shore up its auditors to make sure that wealthy taxpayers are actually paying what they should be paying. is that on the chopping block, is some of that funding going to go? >> it is important to think about what this actually means. yes, it is under discussion. it is a live action item that negotiators are talking about right now. but when we talk to white house officials about this, they call it a haircut, they acknowledge it might get trimmed back a little bit. but i think the order in which it could get trimmed back is not a massive amount, 10 to $20 billion, enough to give republicans the messaging that they were able to chip away at a white house proposal, that $80 billion included in the "inflation reduction act" last year. and it was supposed to make money for itself, to more than

pay for itself because of all of the money that would come in from people who have not been paying their taxes and then all of a sudden would be. so the interesting aspect of the irs funding is, yes, okay, you can take $10 billion to $20 billion out of the funding allocated but how much does it actually cost and does it have an impact on the deficit. i know there are some who are thinking that perhaps republicans could be surprised to see that it could actually have an opposite effect on the deficit. so they are not really committing to it being a final piece of the package up they see how it is scored. >> you know what offsets a deficit, revenue. thank you both. joining me now is south dakota republican congressman and chair of the main street caucus dusty johnson. thank you so much for being with us. we keep hearing we're getting close to a deal but i just heard garrett graves say hell no to any movement on work requirements. do you know where things actually stand?

>> i won't give you up to the date intelligence on how things are going in the room, but i'll talk in a broadway that work requirements continue to be a top priority for republicans because they work. and we're not talking about anybody who is pregnant or anybody who is a senior or anybody who has dependents at home or lives in an area with high unemployment or anybody who has any disabilities. we're just really talking about people who are work capable. we know that you cannot escape poverty without work. that is why it is a republican priority. >> there are lots of studies that show that she don't entirely work and that there are a lot of people who don't have consistent jobs, hourly jobs that show on paper that they are working when they are actually working or there are paperwork issues people have and you unintentionally kick a whole lot of people off of those benefits when they are actually qualified. but i'll leave that aside for a second. do you have a sense of that red line for republicans on where the negotiations stand?

garrett graves says work requirements. anything else? >> just really quickly on work requirements, if people instead of working want go to school, be in a training program or even volunteer, those all count. and i don't know why we would object to somebody volunteering for 20 hours a week at a local food shelter if they are able bodied work capable. listen, this is the sort of activity that we know is key to human progress and development. with regard to whether or not it is a red line -- sorry, you said are there other red lines. republicans are going to need to change fundamentally how this town, washington, d.c., spends money. and we'll need some wins in each of the three limit, save and grow buckets. i think negotiations have been moving in roughly the right direction. and i think that you can see that because frankly house democrats are not very happy about it. >> a lot of house republicans aren't happy either.

house freedom caucus is saying don't gosh negotiate at all. are you confident that there will be enough republicans who will get on board for this if it is not a great looking deal for the gop? >> i think -- well, first off, nobody ever getting every single thing they want in a negotiation. i think we all know that. but the howling from the democratic side is far more across the entirety of their caucus. you've got moderates and of course progressives like alexandria ocasio-cortez and everybody in between who are concerned about this. the republican side i think most of us understand that if we are spending less money next year than we're spending this year, if we are clawing back covid dollars, getting work requirements, unlocking american energy, if we're constraineding the growth of spending in future years, that may not get 222 republican votes, but it will get a whole mess load of them. >> let me ask you about irs

funding. are you sure cutting that funding is a good idea? revenue offsets the deficit and this is money intended to make sure that very high earners are actually paying what they are supposed to pay. >> if the administration had brought forth some sort of proposal to invest in customer service folks at the irs, to invest in technologies that would catch tax cheats, really a plan -- of. >> it is for auditors. >> yes, although i would tell you that there has not been a clear administration plan on how those dollars would be used in a way that would catch the tax cheats rather than just harass middle america. >> who is saying it will harass middle america? the white house says it is auditors for high earners who are able to exploit a ton of loopholes that they shouldn't exploit, they can hire people do their tax documents. they have said specifically this is not for the middle class, it is for high earners.

>> i don't have any problem catching tax cheats. let's make that clear. i would say that this is the problem with spending. like i raise questions about $80 billion in spending and you say, well, congress, what is your proof. with all due respect, i think the burden of proof is dropped at the feet of those people who want to add 87,000 more federal government auditors. i think that they have a big piece of evidence that they have got to prove before we do that. >> it sounds like you are going to be a yes on this deal, sounds like you think it is moving in the right direction. can i say that confidently that you are going to be okay with what mccarthy comes out with? >> i have not seen a deal. i'm not going to pre-judge -- >> do you have a red line then? >> i wouldn't go for anything that doesn't change how washington, d.c. spending money. if it is just more of the same, we cannot afford that. >> speaker kevin mccarthy is in a tough situation.

he has a lot of different views in his conference and we know that he had a tough time getting the speakership. but confident he won't face something again from say the likes of matt gaetz who was difficult for him getting the gavel and who is saying he doesn't want to negotiate with the hostage the debt? >> listen, matt is brilliant. he is energetic on any given day of course he can be difficult about any given thing. i think we all acknowledge that. but kevin mccarthy's stock is trading at a higher level today than it ever has. i think his conference understands that he has made good on his promises to open up the house and his commitment to not waive the 72 hour rule making sure republican members have a chance to review this deal, is an example of how he is changing how the house works for the good. >> do you think the white house underestimated him? >> i do think the white house has underestimated him every step along the way.

and it generates a little fatigue i'll admit among house republicans. oh, kevin mccarthy will never be speaker. and he was. kevin mccarthy will never get limit save grow done. he has. kevin mccarthy will never be able to pass bills off the floor week in and week out with such a tight margin. well, we've never lost a single bill yet in five months on the house floor. so all the white house does to kevin mccarthy is underestimate him and all kevin mccarthy does is win. that is all fine by me. >> congressman johnson, thank you for joining us. and that is the view from clim. capitol hill. what about the view in a harvard economist? don't go anywhere for that. and plus could texas attorney general ken paxton be out of a job? what the texas republicans pushing to impeach him say he did to make their, quote, make their mustache curl. and whoever is telling their kids do this has lost their

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will set spending levels which is something you always have to agree on. i think they are working hard to protect the most important things in the government. you know, i'd be sad to lose any of the irs money, but if you lose a small amount of it, there is still quite a lot that you can do. and by the way, that does as you say show this isn't really about the debt. if you were focused on the debt, you wouldn't be taking a penny from the irs but in fact giving them more. >> and a lot of republicans voted to lift the debt ceiling without a we when donald trump was raising it up and up and up during his time in office. but let me ask you about spending. because i think that obviously republicans care deeply about it, or they say they do. americans will look at the deficit and say what is going on, we have to cut our spending. is there something else that can be done to get this under control, something else that congress could be focused on, the white house could be focused on to really move the needle? >> in fact almost anything else

would be the answer to your question. first of all, revenue. revenue relative to the size of the economy srnt particularly high right now. there is a lot of opportunities to raise it, the president included a number in his budget. programs like medicare which you could strengthen. the president proposed things on prescription drugs and other things you could do that too. but when you want to deal with the budget, you want go where all the money is, not to where the smallest slice that negotiators are focused on because that is what the republicans have insisted on. >> do you think the white house has done a good job so far in this negotiation? you were part of it in 2011 and after that, the talk was that democrats would never put themselves in this position again, they would never be in a position to negotiate with republicans over the debt ceiling, they thought it was pointless and that they came out in a worst position. do you think that president biden has done a good job here?

>> i think president biden has done a good job. you can always second guess and do things slightly differently. i felt that way about things i did. but this is mostly about a spending negotiation that was going to have to happen with or without debt limit. all the existential stuff the republicans wanted taken off the table, and so you see a lot of people in their caucus unhappy about where this is ending up. american people unfortunately more divided than i wish it was. >> you want to get rid of this whole process. how do we not have this crisis every two years where the entire country worries about us defaulting and heading -- plunging us into a recession and everyone losing their jobs? >> look, after i left the white house i co-wrote an op-ed with a former top staffer, senator mcconnell, he had been my counterpart in the negotiations and we said just end the debt

limit. just flat out repeal it, you could raise it by 4 quad drill i don't know dollars. there is bipartisan legislation that could just make it automatic. no other country has anything like this. it really is just down side, no up side to this. i think really ultimately for either party. >> jason furman, thanks for coming on. hope you have a nice weekend. >> you too. ahead, boxing it up to box the doj out. more reporting on what happened at mar-a-lago right before the government came to get those classified documents. first though, he is doing what? the way ron desantis is raising money for his presidential bid is freaking out some lobbyists. chevy silverado factory-lifted trucks. where will they take you? with the capability of a 2-inch lift. ♪♪

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texas attorney general ken paxton, a republican who sued to overturn the 2020 election, could soon be impeached. a gop-led house investigative committee voted unanimously to recommend ousting paxton. they have offered 20 articles of impeachment including bribery, conspiracy, unfitness for office and abusing the public trust. and allegations that one texas republican lawmaker said made his mustache curl. joining me now is our politics reporter. good to have you, zach.

that republican lawmaker has a waxed handle bar mustache. so to make it curl you'd have to really do something. so tell us what exactly is paxton accused of doing? >> good to be here. it has been a crazy week in texas politics. it house investigative committee this week revealed that they had been secretly investigating ken paxton since march. they had a public hearing on wednesday in which their investigators for three hours laid out allegations of a pattern of misconduct by the attorney general, they allege essentially that he had repeatedly used his office, misused his office, to benefit a friend and real estate developer here in austin. that is where the allegations come from. this is all moving very quickly. the committee just brought its recommendation of impeachment to the house yesterday. the house just a few minutes ago

scheduled that debate for tomorrow so we could see very soon if in fact attorney general paxton, a republican, will be impeached by this republican controlled legislature. >> it is remarkable. win i saw this article drop yesterday, i had to read it twice because for so long allegations about ken paxton and his conduct have been out there for so many years but it hasn't gotten a lot of attention from republicans especially in the legislature there. what changed? >> so the committee is justifying its investigation by saying that there were these four senior employees of the attorney general who they filed a whistleblower lawsuit. there was a proposed settlement for the lawsuit that would pay them $3.3 million. the legislature would be required to approve that money. and they said hey, if we're being asked to pay this money, with she really investigate like is this a good use of our time and taxpayer money.

and the committee members including the man with the mustache expressed worry that look, this settlement if we approve it would not only use taxpayer money to pay off these whistleblowers, it would also prevent a trial at which this evidence of potential misconduct by the attorney general that would be heard. >> really interesting. paxton was just recently voted back into office. what has he said about all of this? >> so his argument is twofold. yes, he was elected just seven months ago again and he is saying that the legislature run by liberals is attempting to subvert the will of the voters. and his attorneys argued a narrow reading of state law that says you can't be impeached for something that you did before you were in office. and he is arguing that means just this term, not previous terms.

the house disagrees with that interpretation of the law. >> and i mentioned up top that paxton sued to overturn the 2020 election. what else has he done that has gotten attention on the national stage? >> he has positioned himself as a champion of far right causes. if he is to survive this, this is where that base of support is. just a little while ago, donald trump jr. had tweeted support of paxton. we have not heard anything from the former president yet. because it looks likely that the house will impeach him tomorrow, it then becomes a trial and they will have to rally the senators and part of doing that, he has been saying i've been a champion for conservative causes, i continually sue the biden administration on behalf of the state of texas, like removing me would be ending that effort. >> all right. zach, thank you very much. and quote, swampy, prisoner'ses whoever is telling

these kids do this has lost their damn mind. what the f am i supposed do. florida lobbyists say they are in an ethical and possible legal nightmare and that desantis' gubernatorial responsibilities wall with his campaigning appears to be very thin. matt dixon is joining us. what is going on? >> seems like texas and florida are vying for the craziest stories of the week. ours is tied to the staff sending test messages out to will be bi-i.s trying to raise money for the governor's new presidential campaign. and there is obvious ethical implications there. but most of the people pointed to the state's $117 billion budget still on desantis' desk. he a has a line item veto pen so he can go project by project and

veto them individually if he wants and that is a lot of power and that is getting notified. >> usually this sort of thing if it does happen comes from a super pac, right? a degree of separation between politician and his office and the people that they are asking for 340e7b from especially when it has something to do with the office that they are currently in. but just to underscore this, you are saying it is his political staff in the governor's office that is text messaging the people that are currently -- that currently do have business with that office for money for his presidential campaign? >> that's right. and i guess all staff at a gubernatorial level are sort of political, but at the state level here, there is no technical political office in the governor's administration. so they are all just state employees really. they might have somewhat political jobs because they work for the governor, but this is state employees at its base

element sending out fundraising solicitations to lobbyists who have business in front of the state government including most presumably have a lot of money, a lot of projects in the state money which is the biggest piece of legislation any governor here ever has to act on. so the conflicts there are pretty clear and obvious. there is going to be questions about if state funds were used if it was done in the state capitol, to what degree public resources were used. all questions that we didn't necessarily have answers to, but the next obvious thing to look at. >> so not clear whether this is legal or fcc violation? >> at this point we're not aware. i can't speak directly to that. i know there are a lot of people out there who have raised questions. but to definitely say that, i wouldn't be prepared to at this point. >> matt dickson, thank you very much for bringing us the other crazy state legislative story of the day. coming up next, what a

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retrieve classified documents. having no idea what was inside those boxes, the "times" says ,. nbc news that not verified the reporting but joining meet now is ken dilanian. so what can we say? >> i know from my own reporting that walt nada moved boxes and told two different stories about whether donald trump told him to move those boxes or not. and that is why he is not cooperating right now and is at risk of being charged with false statements. we have not confirmed the second account of the person that helped him, but the real question in all these stories about moving boxes is what was this? and does this connect to touchdown? was this a scheme to hide classified documents from investigators? we haven't seen any real evidence in any of the stories that add up to that, but that is the big question. that is what prosecutors are trying to determine. it looks like there were efforts

made to withhold some of these documents. and donald trump has said publicly that he considered these to be his documents. he was in a dispute with the national archives and that he had every right to withhold them, but if he hit classified documents particularly after a subpoena was dropped on him by the department of justice, that could add up to obstruction of justice and that is what this case is all about. so we'll wait and see what jack smith has to say. >> and the other "new york times" reporting from the other day about jack smith subpoenaing business records, foreign business records, from the trump organization during donald trump's time in office. and then it presumably might be to match up whether or not the documents that they found in his possession had anything to do with business deals, foreign business deals. and that would lend to, correct me if i'm wrong, motivation. >> yeah, that certainly is what that looks like. an interesting report because it has been widely reported that the fbi sort of ruled out any nefarious motive by trump.

in other words concluded that he was just being stubborn. but now it looks like smith is actually looking to see whether in fact there was any potential use by donald trump or any motive that he had in the business world. the thing about that line of inquiry, it would suggest that that would take a while to run down. a lot of witnesses to interview, a lot of records to gather and it doesn't really track with the other signals we're getting that this probe appears to be close to wrapping up and that some charging decisions could be made this summer. >> explain to me those other signals. >> the "washington post" has reported and we think accurate that the grand jury has in the met since may 4th. doesn't mean they are done, but we know they have talked to almost everybody who worked at mar-a-lago. the cook and bottle washer and everybody on staff has been taken before the grand jury. hard to imagine what other witnesses jack smith could want to talk to who have knowledge about the documents and what was happening with the documents at

mar-a-lago. and we're just getting a lot of unofficial signals, some of which i can't talk about, that suggest that this case could be coming to a head this summer. not next week probably and perhaps not this month, but sometime this summer. and there is also the political calendar. the justice department can't drag it out too long when donald trump is running for president. >> that is the open question, at what point might they need to make a decision just for the appearance of doj not getting involved in the presidential election. we know how that played out in 2016. ken, thank you very much. coming up next, orcas, killer whales are attacking and sometimes sinking sailboats off the coast of spain and portugal. what is going on. >> and richard lui looking at the often hidden pain and strain of those who are caring for sick loved ones. cut! another health insurance commercial,

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gang or army or troop. because for some reason they appear to be targeting boats. a british couple setting sail off the coast of morocco when a group of killer whales started battering their boat, continuing barrage for at least an hour. they managed to keep the 46-foot sailing yacht afloat, but just days later another vessel was not so lucky. three killer whales struck the rutter and eventually causing it to sink as the coast guard rushed to the rescue. one of at least three boats have sunk because of orcas since last summer and many more seriously damaged. according to researchers, there were about 15 orca interactions when it began in 2020. incredibly that number has now ballooned in to the hundreds by 2023. and all of them happening here along the liberian peninsula.

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i'm richard lui live in new york city. i've been a journalist for 15 years, and my dad got diagnosed with alzheimer's. >> good to see you. >> good to see you, too. it was a lonely road, until i found others. the oncologist said that it looked like somebody had taken tape and dipped her in cancer. >> we know he suffered a brain injury. the v.a. considers him 350% disabled. ♪ ♪ >> constant alertness, watchfulness, inability to

sleep. >> sometimes he wakes up crying. >> boom, my mind was a mess. >> in this house, we say the word "cancer," kansas we are a little wilt in our voice. but he knows that something's not good. >> you dig it? hey, pastor lui? i'm not ready to be a single part. >> if you recognize me, blink once. ♪ ♪ >> you only get one of these in a lifetime. >> the reason that i can carry on is because of family community and love. >> the trailer for that, that was the first look at frankly obviously a powerful new documentary called "unconditional" that premieres this saturday on msnbc. it's directed by msnbc's richard lui. you recognized him there.

it follows the emotional lows and the joyous highs of caring for a sick loved one. richard lui joins me now. richard, it took you seven years to make. >> yeah, it's a long time. >> what was it like? >> first of all, i didn't know where i was going. when we finished the end of the movie about six months ago, i was a different person at the end of it. what we realized in terms of why we took seven years is that's what most people go through after they have cared for somebody that they loved. we had three families, all going through the same experience. at the other end of the space, we were all asking, are they alone? they felt alone. there's close to 100 million folks that are going through this mental and physical health challenge. that's why we did this film. if there's 100 million people going through it, we have a cultural opportunity. >> just the idea of somebody i love getting sick is scary to me. obviously, nobody wants it to happen. you said there were some

positive experiences here. so help me understand the good moments. >> yeah, it's surprising. you watch some of the trailer, you might go into the very topic, and you go mental health and care giving, this isn't something you want to necessarily bring up friday night having pizza. but what we did find is with kate hendricks, who had cancer just the last year, the president signed an executive order that guaranteed mammograms for all women veterans for the rest of their lives. there was an outdoor ex-skurgs company started in alaska to help veterans get through ptsd. at the end of the day, that's what i'm seeing resonate with all these families. you saw the kids too, right? >> yeah, i did. i was going to ask about the kids. i mean, trying to keep from the -- her husband and woman trying to keep cancer away from

their kids. he could still tell there's something wrong, and the husband saying, i'm not ready to be a single parent. how did the kids do? >> i was talking to shane, the husband this last week. he's a completely different person today because of that journey. when it comes to matthew, the child, and the two other kids, dave and huck, what you saw was an unvarnished strength from them that helped the mom and the dad get through everything. their honesty and love for their parents. in the movie, it looks very difficult. but the flip side, you see the strength that they bring to the family unit and how they all change roles. parents becoming kids, kids becoming parents. and that's part of the mental health journey in, many cases. >> those kids are how old now? >> right now, dave, who was this tall at the beginning is now

6'1". >> oh, gosh. >> i just saw him at the world premiere. we called many of them the next greatest generation in terms of the kids because of what they have lived through in these military families, and just the amazing standout icons in the family. >> how are you? >> i'm okay. today, i'm okay. there are days i'm not. today i'm okay. and i'm glad we get to have this conversation. >> i suggest everybody go and watch it. record it if you can, because it's powerful and there are highs, there are lows. catch "unconditional" saturday at 11:00 p.m. that's going to do it for me today. have a lovely holiday, everyone. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪ happy friday. it's been building all week