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weekend. there's still time for some notes before you get the time to grill. let's take a look at some of the week's top stories. ron desantis has officially entered the 2024 right house race, as we said the live stream events on twitter got off to a rocky start. crashing several times. with the announcement delayed by more than 20 minutes due to a series of technical glitches. >> sorry about that, we've got so many people here that i think we are affecting the service. >> let's say, so yeah. make sense. >> just to simplify this. >> so let's say. does it keep crashing? i think rebecca online now. i think we are back online now. well, it's an honor to have governor desantis make this stuck announcement. >> the technical troubles your

mockery on social media. president well then posted a link to his donation page. writing simply this link works. and former president donald trump has a series of posts on truth social calling the announcement, fatal and a disaster. he also had one strange post where he wrote quote, rob, my red button is bigger, better, and stronger, and is working. truth? wait, i am so uncomfortable right now. and yours does not. for my conversation with kim john 11 of north korea, soon to become my friend. i'm gonna let that sit right there. >> that's one of those relative posts that would send someone to the house. just to check in. >> you need to help. >> someone to step in there. meanwhile, a senior desantis campaign official defended the watch.

saying that desantis broke the internet, it should tell you everything you need to know about the strength of his candidacy. desantis also tried to spin the technical difficulties as excitement for his campaign. that was during as fox news interview last night. >> we have a huge audience, and it was the biggest day they'd ever had. it did break the twitter space. and so we're really excited with the enthusiasm, but ultimately it is about the future of our country. >> meanwhile, desantis's spokesperson tweeted that the campaign raised 1 million dollars online in just one hour, well the top advisor claimed more than 700,000 people joined the virtual rollout, the florida governor enters the race with a big cash advantage, politico reported last night his state -- had money left over from his gubernatorial race. that now could be transferred to a federal pack. and the super pac for desantis reportedly has raised $33 million. that official number will not be made public until july. so that may be the point jen

for the campaign. that they got some attention, not the kind that they wanted, but they raised a bunch of money. and this won't matter in the long term. but as somebody who is that communications director of many campaigns, in the white house, as john listen system tina turner over on his phone there. >> what are you doing? give me your phone. >> it was a small glitch. mickey you've had these before. that was bill clinton. in 1992. i was doing some research for this segment. [laughter] >> i thought you are showing us how desantis launched. >> a technical gleghorn. it broke the morning joe set. >> it has a chance to fix this and post. >> as a professional, what did you think about that roll out last night? >> i think it was an abomination. and so much humorous all around. desantis loves, by the, way senator a dozen people are not that much. twitter has been able to handle 10,000 people. but for that bag a base.

which far surprisingly is the group of voters that desantis does seem to be going for. not the moderate republicans he's going for the maga base. i'm sure that they love the unconventionally. they love the finger in the eye of the press and tim scott needed a good launch. he needed a good launch to the disputants elf and desantis doesn't need a great launch of great campaign. everybody knows and all the voters know who he is. they just need to know if they like him. in the end they said this is worth the trouble. that he did. >> it's, it was really a bad start and i've been saying it could be a one day or two day story depending on what happens as we move forward. a very long campaign. i will just say backing up though that thinking overnight i always tell people when they're running for office. i say your two most important days are the days that you launch of the day that they count the votes. and the day that you launch sets the tone of everything and

shows people how professional you are. that you actually know what you're doing. that is one day and that is kind of like the first attack. mike tyson always said the joke that everyone has a plan until somebody gets punched in the face the first time. this is the first punch and you control that. and as jim knows far better than me and rob knows he's run before. far better than me, after that punch you don't control anything. it's all in coming. and it's all how you respond to income. you have the response to a kind of candidate you are. and so jon just based on that. and that measurement it really was an embarrassment for the desantis campaign. i mean they said they broke the internet. they ended up with 200,000 people watching and we're listening and whatever they were doing. if they had gone on fox it would have well over 1 million people. if they had gone over a lot of cable news shows they would've had 1 million on the podcast.

they would've had 1 million more people if they had gone on some other show. and so it seems that they made the worst of all choices. that said this was for a candidate. and also for silicon valley tech engineers who hate the mainstream media. not engineers but titans who hate the mainstream media. who hate wokeness and put that in quotes. and always want to play the aggrieved. it probably worked. >> i'm not sure of the refrain. joe you can watch a presidential campaign poorly. and still when your party's nomination. that is happened. but this is a free shot at doing something really well and if you do it really well, it could be something that the people remember forever. and i think of my friend palmieri tear. going back to example, 2008.

where hillary clinton announced her son room. and then you have these images that cut within a few days. you've got it all the way first but you had barack obama at the old state house in springfield, illinois. on a cold day. giving an inspiring speech. that produced a huge audience to watch initially. but it wasn't thousands of obama campaign ads. it was the moment that people looked back and set the tone for the campaign. and gave them enormous amounts of coverage. and people said that hillary clinton gave a real knife speech. but it's not something that anyone would ever remember again. it was a missed opportunity. donald trump for all the criticism and all the terrible things that he said. when they got that night escalator. he will still talk about today. donald trump coming down the escalator in trump tower. he made an iconic moment for himself. and part of him knows that bill clinton also has the old state house in october 1991. and little rock. the things that was in campaign ads in 1992. can you win without a great

sludge? you can. but you have as you said joe. you have a three throw here. and you have all the time in the world as rhonda sanchez has to set this up. and get this right. and they blew it. and that said it's a miss opportunity, and i would say it will come at the end of all of the clubs over the last. in the pre campaign. all of the things that they screwed up in the last two or three months. it is creating this question what you never want to face of your presidential candidate. which is the filter of us. the media and the people in the political world will be going. anybody here play this game. that's not the way that you want people to be greeting your entrance into the race. >> and i do think that's a big question coming from the counters and also from the base. and there are people who see donald trump right now. this is the one who completely controls. it's all within your control. and they see that that control to a glitch-y platform with a guy who he just knew he was

gonna take up a lot of this base. a lot of the oxygen. and he knew that and he made the move anyway but raf. he looked back at barack obama 's opening announcement. you look back at ronald reagan. the way he launched his campaign in front of the statue of liberty. in 1980. i mean talk about the launch of your campaign. talk about how the launch matters so much. it does set the tone. and here again this could all be forgotten. in a week or two and that said unfortunately too often foreshadows. either problems or strengths in the campaign to follow. >> i think that you want to launch by giving the optics of the message. and what you're rene. i mean i launched having a rally and having a lot of the people that mattered to the people that i was hoping would vote for me. standing there with me. that was the message that i wanted to give.

and i think that those that you have mentioned did similar launches. i think that not only was this a mess up. the thing that we have to keep in mind is desantis is challenging donald trump. who will never let us forget that he messed up the launch. so we can say for anyone else it's one day tomorrow to be something else. every chance that trump gets. he's going to say how can this man run the economy when he can't run a launch. how can this man handle international global affairs when he can't handle a launch. i mean if he were running against candidates that would move on. i would say don't worry about it governor desantis. but you're running against donald trump. he will never let you forget it and more importantly he will never let us forget it. >> that's how trump's. you just served him a softball. and he's gonna keep hitting that ball over the fence every tons he can get. >> recent polls taken before

his announcement have ron desantis significantly behind donald trump in the republican primary. in the latest cnn national survey conducted last. week the florida governor trails trump by 27 points among registered republican and republican-leaning independent voters. in a march poll, the deficit for a desantis was just four points. the latest survey has desantis trailing trump by 31 points. he trailed by 14 points in march. and new emerson college of iowa republicans out just this morning as trump ahead of desantis 62 to 20%. let's bring in the former chair of the new hampshire republican party. she knows a thing or two about this jennifer horn. jennifer, ron desantis has a long way to go what do you make about this botched roll and the impact in the long run? there is no question that this

was. there is nothing good and he went out of the box and tried to spin it. oh yeah we broke the internet. that's not what happened unfortunately last night and it is possible that in a few months as you look back that it might be that we learned that the internet broke ron desantis. you know they're a created a moment for donald trump but more equally important to that it also. you know when we look at the poll numbers and the degree to which desantis and his numbers are declining it is probably undermining the confidence of a lot of those primary voters. that he really pretty desperately needs right now. there was a hashtag going last night disaster. you know the disaster. ron disaster. those can stick. >> and still ahead on morning joe. the marine veteran charged with manslaughter after a fatal chokehold on the new york city subway. argues it had nothing to do with race. we'll take a look at that and why he is suggesting that he would do it again.

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choked a man to death on the new york city subway three weeks ago is speaking out for the first time. daniel penny is charged with second degree manslaughter in the death of jordan neely. nbc news correspondent emily has more. >> nearly three weeks since the subway encounter. the man seen holding jordan neely in the deadly chokehold is breaking his silence. suggesting he would take action again under similar circumstances. i what if there was a threat in danger in the present. daniel told the new york post. in an interview of the -- and long island. he said that this is nothing to do with race. i judge a person based on their character. i'm not a white supremacist. he was accused of second degree landslide or and wouldn't go on the detail that led up to the

confrontation but he said it wasn't anything like i experience before. his lawyer said he acted in self-defense after nearly, who was homeless and suffered from mental illness, aggressively threatened him and others on board. ♪ ♪ ♪ and he wasn't initially arrested, spawning protests that spilled onto the subway tracks. and dividing political leaders nationwide. from crime, so called vigilantism, and the response to record levels of homelessness. on friday, hundreds gathered to remember the 34 year old street performer. [crowd chanting] >> we keep criminalizing people with multiple in this. they do not need abuse, they need help. >> when asked what penny would say to nearly family, he said, i am simply saddened by the loss of life. it is tragic what happened to him, hopefully we can change a system that so desperately

failed us. penny faces up to 15 years in jail if convicted of lance louther. a charge lawyers for any least family say does not go far enough. >> joining us now is president of the national action network, and host of msnbc's politicsnation. reverend al sharpton. and as we saw in emily's piece, he gave the eulogy at jordan neely's funeral on friday. reverend, first of all if you could tell us most about the funeral. about his family is doing. what do you think needs that happen moving forward? >> his family clearly is struggling with the loss of life. of someone that they loved. right at the same church that we had the funeral. in the baptist church with reverend johnny greene. one of the most respected in the country. it was the same place 14 years ago. that they funeral lives jordan neely's mother. jordan sitting there.

they felt that this is what triggered a lot of haledon mental illness. even going further. so they're sitting there in the same church looking at the casket of a young man. who should've had help. and who the system did not even though they knew he had problems. kept letting him go. never let him deal with a mental illness issue. which is the center of what they are saying that he should have been helped. i think the mayor has even said that we need to sit out. and has some summons on how we deal with. how he was able to fall through the cracks of the city bureaucracy. and he's choked to death by someone who is not in law enforcement. knots in mental health services. and who came up from behind him and claims self-defense. it was very difficult for the family in the this still is. and luckily edwards, the attorney, and the other attorneys are really trying to seek justice in this matter. >> there is a lot of discussion

about mental health, especially a crisis. among the nation's youth. we had seth moulton coming on later. who wants to promote a solution to. it but i need for sweeping changes, but as it pertains to the mental health in this country. i heard you even describing the situation, most of what you just talked about was how the system let him down. i guess i would ask that critics are arguing here. that this man, is being charged with maybe something that the system had a role in as well. which was jordan it is mild to health, and the lack of help that he had out there. what do you say to his comments that he made. that he is not a white supremacist. and that he was acting in self-defense? >> i think that first of all, the comments, if you look at my eulogy, is that what we said

was. why was he let go at the preset, and whether or not if he was black, what they have let him go if it was the other way? no one says he was a white supremacist. we questioned what happened at the precinct. which we also question five black cops that killed kyrie and tyre nichols in memphis this year. i did that eulogy. and we said even though these five black cops they were black. they were wrong. so this is nothing with having to do as trying to charge him as a white supremacist, he was charged with manslaughter, he was not charged with a hate crime. so they're trying to, with the help of the right-wing media. move him into something that nobody is making. we are saying how could someone coming from behind, that was not under any threat. an armed armed man, who is making noise. maybe annoying. how do you choke him to death.

hold him down, feel him go lifeless. and still not let go? that is what he is charged with. let's not try to make this something that it is not. and i think that they're trying to move the premise. so that we go to the wrong conclusion. this is not about a hate crime. this is about why you defended yourself against no apparent threat. obviously mika. you came from behind the guy, how could you have been a threat to you? and you held him, while two other people were holding him down until he was limp. and you held on anyhow. anyone who has been interviewed in the media, that was in that, cart said yes he was annoying, yes he was making noise. but we did not feel that there was any immediate threat on us. and even if someone down the car felt he could become a threat. this guy was not a policeman. who appointed you to get up and kill a guy? in the name of i'm protecting someone? why didn't you call law enforcement? let's look at your cell phone.

did you try to call 9-1-1? did you try to call and mta officer? that is what he is asked to defend against these charges. not to fabricate some charges that someone called him a white supremacist. >> coming up, a florida school limit access to a poem read at president biden's inauguration. how the young poet is responding. that is next. >> at is next >> how to grow more vibrant flowers: step one: feed them with miracle-gro shake 'n feed. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow. (man) what if my type 2 diabetes takes over? (woman) what if all i do isn't enough? miracle-gro. or what if i can do diabetes differently? (avo) now you can with once-weekly mounjaro. mounjaro helps your body regulate blood sugar,

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capital. >> we will not be turned around, or interrupted by intimidation. because we know that are in action and inertia will be the inheritance of the next generation. our blunders become their burdens. but one thing is certain. if we merge mercy with might, and might with right, then love becomes our legacy. and change our strengths birthright. >> that poem, which has been published as a short book entitled, the hail we climb. will not be accessible only to middle school students at the pre-k through eighth grade bob graham execration center in miami legs, florida. after a parent filed a formal objection to the work. in a post on social media. gorman wrote in part i am gutted. i wrote the hill we climb so

that all young people could see themselves in an historical moment. rubbing them a chance to find their voices in literature. is a violation of the right forth free thought and free speech. she also urged people to speak out. pointing to a lawsuit that her publisher has joined. to challenge book restrictions. a copy of the complaint form posted on twitter by gorman and the florida freedom to read project. states that the book is not educational and contains hate messages. the form also says that the complaint believes the purpose of the book is to cause confusion, and indoctrinate students. the school said in a statement. they determined the book is quote, better suited for middle school students. and it was shelved in the middle schools section of a media center. the book remains available in the media center. and quote. jonathan lemire, this and many other of ron desantis policies.

will they come to hump him? as the 2024 race moves more nationally? how did these policies play out on the big stage? >> desantis pitches that he wants to make america more like florida. his opponents will say this is what you will get. you will get florida like this. restrictions like this. and what bands like this. it's not a coincidence that the dnc in the biden campaign. as they start looking at the republicans in the field beyond trump. when they talk about desantis they focus on book banning. poll so poorly. amid a lot of americans really outrageous is happening. and they said that this is another piece of desantis being out of step with the rest of the country's abortion ban. he just signed in the dead of night to few weeks ago. so yes it's, feels like another moment where desantis along with his fight against disney. there was goes on and on. is playing to a smaller shrinking portion of the electric. that might help him in the gop primary.

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of leaders. at the g7 summit in japan. an allied coalition of western nations announced that it will work together to provide f-16 jets to ukraine. it wasn't long after that announcement when russia responded. calling the move to provide jets to ukraine a quote. colossal risk. during president biden's press conference yesterday. he was asked about those comments. and he did not mince words. take a look. >> thank you all very very much. i appreciate it. >> mister president how do you [inaudible] >> it is for them. [laughter] >> that's one way to put it.

let's bring in former supreme allied commander and nato retired four star. in the last chanel analyst for nbc. no. we had at the beginning of this war, admiral, that they could have some of our anti missile system. they got the anti missile systems originally. they couldn't have tanks, they got tanks. they couldn't have f-16s, now they're getting that of 16. i remember two or three months ago you talking about the extraordinary need for these. and i thought, it's just a matter of time. they got them. talk about what a big game-changer that could be. >> well first, you gotta take the president and say, you know, as he gets more senior, he's getting quite witty. simply saying that it is a colossal risk for him. i have not seen that clip. it is a good one. and it's true. f-16s been around for a while. but we've been upgrading it constantly over the decade. it's operated by 25 countries

around the world. many of whom are our allies. a lot of western pilots know how to fly. it's we know how to train people to use it. and most importantly it is a multi mission fighter. meaning that it can do air to air combat. shoot down russian jets. it can do air to ground strike at russian targets on the ground. it could do electronic warfare. and jam. it's perhaps not the best at anything. but it's very very good. it's a swiss army knife of the battlefield. >> let's talk about the g7. and zelenskyy going to the g7. he did not only have face to face meetings with members of the g7. it seems to me that it was very helpful for the war effort there. but also got to sit with people like motive who was there at a zoo visitor. and with others. house lengthened kent was zelenskyy's appearance at the

g7? >> even more significant. and principally because of the audience. it is the g7. but it's also, as you point out, another big economies. like modi who you are showing there from india. australia. not a member of the g7. but a very important economy. when you add up all of the people around that table. the gross domestic product totaled globally well over 60%. of the world's gdp. so he's pitching the bankers if he well. that is crucial. and he's showing that he is the one who can come and step in. you can imagine vladimir putin be lead into that room. he could be led away in handcuffs. he's an indicted war criminal. look at the reaction to president zelenskyy. we've got a feel very proud he's an ally. >> it's good. and you see him there with modi. when you hear she.

and he's out of the way given the warnings about it or even talking about nuclear weapons. you suddenly understand why vladimir putin is boxed in and he is depending on that matter right there on the left. modi zambia. to help take up some of the slack. from all of the trade. that is been come off in the european union. so vladimir putin. now whether he wants to admit it or not. it's a junior partner. to a lesser degree also modi. because after all putin's russia and gdp smaller than texas before this war began. >> exactly. and oh, by the way, if you are the chinese leader. president xi and you are looking for north from beijing. you see this vast, empty land. siberia. nobody lives there. this is russia to the east of the euro mountains. it's empty of people. that is full of oil, gas, air

bland. timber, diamond, strategic minerals, rare herbs. the chinese look at bat like my dog looks at a rib eye steak, it looks really good. and yes, putin is the junior partner to beecher. and he will get played like won both by beijing. and new delhi. >> admiral of course president silence gays appearance of the g7 comes as the world looks that bakhmut. the russians have claimed that they have seized that territory. the wagner group another russian military saying that they've got all of it. zelenskyy denied that. but members of the ukrainian defense ministry did acknowledge that the uk's presence there is now very, very limited. so russia seems have more or less captured the city after months of brutal fighting. that's what i want to ask about. what do you think the impact of bakhmut would be? what are the aftershocks of bakhmut? with both sides spent so much

time and men, and equipment in that space. how do you see it? playing a role with how ukraine is gonna carry out its counteroffensive going forward? sive going forward >> jonathan, 2300 years ago. there was a warrior who took off the roman empire. and we took a look at the empiric victory over that. because he won the battle but he lost the war. he broke his military on the wheel of a battle in that area of the world. and the period. and as a result i think it would be very much the same here. but russia has quote accomplished and quotes and effectively destroying the city of bakhmut. they didn't take it to break it they broke it. and as a result they're owned armed forces have been seriously diminished and as they try to defend the 600 mile battle line against the

ukrainian offensive that is surely coming in the next few weeks. they will be in far worse shape for this empty pyrrhic victory. >> admiral, should we have given that x 16 earlier when ukraine was asking for them. but at least trained the pilots earlier? we've lost a lot of time. >> we have and there's no other way around it. i understand why the administration has been very careful and very incremental and as joe mentioned at the top of the segment. it took us a long time to get comfortable. sending them anything more than stingers or javelins. eventually we got there with advanced drones and we got there with tanks and now where they're with f-16s but it should have happened earlier. many called for that. here's the point, we're doing it now. and here is the second point, those ukrainian fighter pilots. they are very experienced and many of them have 1000 plus

hours in combat chats. they will be able to transition quickly and fly these jets very capably. so let's look to the future. i think the future is bright in the skies over ukraine. >> admiral, let's also talk about the pass for one moment. there's just no way that he could've set. no way the united states could've sent them out six months ago. it seems that as putin upped the ante, as things got more grim it. gave joe biden and gave the western allies and opening to send the anti missile system since they were terrorizing children, grandmothers, everybody else. civilians. by shooting at an apartment building and then again the tank him again after more russian saavedra. again we can look back and say it could have been sent 6 to 9 months ago but that really wasn't a possibility. i talked before about how some republicans that are running

for office to not have the political touch. in this case what biden has done and whether the people want to hear it or not. and really get them if they don't hear it because it is the truth. he's had an extraordinary touch through this entire process. knowing how far he can move. how far he can push his allies. how far he can push the russians and so far it has been about as good as any president in our lifetime and i would say this side of george h. w. bush going into the war. >> i think that's a fair assessment overall in the only congress and i would put to the scarborough doctrine is that even taking those points we could have. and this is teddi's point a little while ago. perhaps we could have started the training a little earlier to be prepared for this moment. >> coming up. global citizen announces an amazing new event to fight

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and joining us now is global citizen cofounder, hugh evans. hugh, it is great to see you. >> thanks so much for being here. out in paris that looks pretty remarkable. >> thank you joe, thank you make of. today were thrilled to announce that global citizen will be returning to the foot of the eiffel tower in paris. with 20,000 global citizens. with a free ticketed event where everyone will be taking action to address the climate crisis. specifically while president macron of paris will be hosting his global financial summit that's taking place that same day on june 22nd. or mobilizing citizens to enable emerging markets to be able to withstand natural disasters, and transition to clean energy. this is a critical campaign and we know that we need to organize right now in support of this urgent issue. >> and you obviously, we all came together in new york.

about a month ago. and you talked about some of the goals that you hoped would happen in paris. with president macron's meeting. talk about that as well. about how the global north really needs to take some positive steps forward. to aid and assist the global south. >> absolutely joe, so i think when you wear interviewing president macron at the global citizen now summit. we spoke about three big priorities. the first is to encourage the private sector to commit to the race to zero. and adopt science-based targets to ultimately have their carbon emissions by 2030. and go carbon neutral by 2050. the second thing we urgently need is global financial reform. for too long the world bank has been completely asleep at the wheel and under the form a world president past, they effectively were incredibly lazy over the last five years. and didn't loan the sort of

loans that the world needs ultimately to transition to clean energy. under the new leader. the president that's gonna be starting on june 2nd. rj. we know we have an opportunity to see enormous well bank perform. but we need janet yellen's leadership. we need the white house's leadership and that is critical to ultimately unlock capital for the world's poorest nations. and then finally we also need to see that the world's most advanced economies support emerging markets as they commit under the paris accord and address their hundred billion dollar climate commitment that the u.s. committed to under the paris climate change agreement. ultimately we're simply asking the u.s. government to do what it is already committed to do. >> thank you, ever since you started this. you've had huge goals. and i think it's important to remind global citizens exactly what their part in this is. so for someone going to the paris event or getting involved

in global citizen. how do they have anything to do with the lofty goals that you just put on the table just right now. in terms of even for example. impacting the decisions made by financial institutions? >> thank you make, a we know that ultimately we live in a democracy. and we live in some of the world's greatest democracies. and world leaders are affected -alicious. and they resolve to the world not just once every three or four years during an election. but every time you reach out to the elected official and asked them to take action. and that's why global citizen and everything we do is about action taking. you download the global citizen app. and your voice, while it might seem so insignificant by itself. when you're part of a movement of millions of citizens and together you are calling on janet yellen or together your calling on rj banger they can't possibly ignore your voice. and that is why when you call for reform, these reforms

happen. and so the way that you earn your way into paris, into power our planet is by taking action. so we want to invite citizens all over the world starting today. to be part of this movement. sign up and take urgent action. and use your voice to create change. >> it sounds like. bobby kennedy and south africa in 1966 said. that it will be from 1 million different acts of this generation. that will define actually what the generation does. and this is exactly what you do with every one of these events so we thank you so much. and really quickly just tell everybody about the event itself and who is going to be performing and what they can expect. >> what is gonna happen joe, and thank you for that question, is that billie eilish together with lenny kravitz, her, as well as jon battiste, and special guests like been harper will all be coming. be performing in this free

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weekend. we've got a lot more of the week's top stories, take a look. well, what a day of news yesterday known as the high-profile defendant of the january six investigation were sentenced to 18 years in prison. you heard that right, 18 years in prison. these toughest penalty handed out so far, and what has become one of the biggest critical probes in u.s. history. nbc news justice correspondent, ken delaney, and has more. >> one of the key figures behind the january 6th attack on the capital, facing the toughest sentence in more than 1000 prosecutions. stewart rhodes, the founder and leader of a far-right group called the oath keepers was sentenced to 18 years in prison after being convicted of seditious conspiracy. using violence to prevent the government from carrying out its lawful duties. growth was not physically present at the capitol during the january 6th attack, but judge amit mehta says he conspired with others to help

make it happen, and to take up arms to foment resolution. a former army paratrooper who graduated from yale law school, he wore an orange prison jumpsuit during the hearing. he showed no remorse, defiantly telling the judge that he considered himself a political prisoner. judge mehta, responding to roads, you, sir, present an ongoing threat and apparel to this country, to the republic and the very fabric of our democracy. rhodes lawyers promised an appeal. >> well, i think that this case was all about the weaponization of speech by the department of justice. and i think that, essentially, they have used stewart rhodes's words against him. >> prosecutors say roads spent weeks after the election plotting to use violence to keep president trump in power. the judge applied a so-called terrorism enhancement to his sentence, the first time that has happened in a january 6th case. >> it is a very significant sentence, and it sends a very

important message of deterrence. >> yeah, it, it really does. it sends an important message of deterrence, something that republicans used to support. that was nbc's kindling with the report, as we were told yesterday, the writer who was photographed with his feet on the desk, events beaker nancy pelosi's during the insurrection has been sentenced to four and half years in prison as well. florida governor in 2024 hopeful rhonda santas promises, if elected president, he, like donald trump, would consider pardoning some of the convicts who rioted on charges related to january 6th insurrection at the capitol. he made the comments on a radio show, take a listen. >> the doj and fbi have been weaponized. we see that, we see it in a variety of contexts, some of what you, mentioned some of it is the fbi going to parents at school board meetings, some of it is how they treat a pro-life

demonstrator, how they don't go after people better attacking pro-lifers, and, so what i'm going to do is i'm going to do, on day, one i will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases who people are victims of weaponization or political targeting and we will be aggressive in issuing pardons. now, some of these cases, some of these people may have a technical violation of the law, but if there are three other people who did the same thing, but just in the context of blm and they don't get prosecuted at all, that is an even applicable to of justice. >> you're not really that stupid, maybe he is talking like a third grader? we are talking about people who tried to overthrow american democracy, and rondos that. he knows that. and, yet he is playing that game. donald trump also responded to a question about pardons in a recent cnn town hall meeting. >> my question to you is, will

you pardon the january 6th rioters who were convicted of federal offenses? >> i am inclined to pardon many of them, i cannot say for every single one because a couple of them probably, they got out of control, but what they've done, they have persecuted these people, and, yeah, my answer is, i am most likely, if i get in, i will most likely, i would say it will be a large portion of them. >> it is unbelievable. law in order, the party of law in order? that is what they always tell us. law in order for the poor? is it law and order for the dispossessed? is it law and order for what? everybody but rioters who try to overthrow the federal government, i to keep a republican in the white house after he lost? you know, the people they are talking about pardoning, i mean, desantis and trump, are people like stewart, roads who said

they won't fear us until we come with rifles in our hands. h >> stewart rhodes wrote a message ahead of january 6th, saying that after the attack, there was a recording that was played in court during his trial where he had his own political prisoner, and trump say he's a political prisoner, and desantis saying, they're all political prisoners, and, saying it's the fbi. and the doj's fault, don't you understand? it is there -- no, it is stewart rhodes's fault after january 6th. after the cops had the hell beaten out of them by american flags. he said his only regret was we should have brought rifles. let me tell you something. about 400 rioters have already received sentences for their crimes, for their violent, vial, acts, committed on january 6th. they're anti-american, they're treasonous acts.

the 200 been course ready for that writing, for the beating of cops. support the blue, not quite, not even close, for donald trump and his rioters, it was beat the hell out of the cops. and yes, they were planning to overthrow american democracy. it is called sedition. law enforcement is still seeking 350 criminals who committed violence acts at the capitol, and that search goes on the. and trust me, the riders will be found and they will be brought to justice as well. trump and desantis praise these rioters that you are looking at, they praise this edition this, they praise the convicts, and they say the very clear message to others to try to overthrow the government while beating the hell out of cops with american flags that our troops have proudly marched into battle for over two centuries. they say, stormed government

buildings, destroy american democracy, that's okay. stand back and stand by. let me tell you something, the rotted corpse of what once was the republican party, it just keeps lurching forward, zombie like. and it will follow donald trump into whatever gutter he takes them on this eight-year march towards fascism, not almost fascism, it is not something quite like fascism, but fascism itself. and to think the republican party i grew up in and the conservatives that, while they claim to be conservatives, they want to talk about being the party of law and order, and they argued that criminal penalties did not just punish the violators like stewart rhodes, but also discouraged other people from committing those same, violent, crimes. but no more, rhonda's antis. no more, donald trump.

wow. you think that is going to win swing voters in the suburbs? you've got another thing coming. and the only thing i can say is thank god for the judicial branch, and let me say that again, because i say a lot. thank god for the judicial branch. the only one of the three branches that stayed true to madison's promise of checks and balances across our great republic's government. federal judges, both conservative and liberal alike, did not mindlessly follow donald trump. and that is why the rule of law still reigns supreme in america, and why justice keeps getting done in court houses across america every day, and, hey, guess what, if you're out there, if you committed crimes, if you committed violent acts on january the 6th, they are coming to get you and bring you in, not as a political prisoner, but as somebody who defiled the

united states capital and tried to shred the constitution of the united states. and know this, justice will be served. david ignatius, i look at stewart rhodes's conviction yesterday, 18 years, i don't think it's enough, but that is what they got for 18 years, and what message does that send to all of the other people out there that listen to idiots on podcasts, or on websites, that are saying, let's overthrow the federal government. because i've heard this for 30 years, from wing nuts on the far reaches of parties. donald trump tried to bring it mainstream, and a lot of people are sitting in jail for a very long time because of it. >> joe, the words of judge amit maida, who was the judge of the stewart rhodes case ring in my mind. they should ring in everybody. you, sir, are an ongoing threat

and a peril to this country. and they gave him that 18 year sentence. he insisted that there is no crime worse that he could hear, then seditious conspiracy. >> it is a message, like you've been saying, that this judge, and i think, you are right, the court system in general, will not tolerate the kind of behavior that we saw on january 6th. but i thought this judge was expectedly direct, blunt, in collin stewart rhodes what he is, which is a person who wants to overturn the system of government that we have in this country. i'm glad he was a specific. now we have to see whether the justice system can finish these prosecutions, can keep going, and indeed, we will approach the person who, it is argued, launched the january 6th riot in the first place, and that is former president trump. >> coming, up an explosive new report on the mar-a-lago documents case that could give

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mar-a-lago documents from a day before a visits by fbi agents in a prosecutor. they were there to remove classified documents in response to a subpoena, that timing is now being viewed as suspicious, and a potential indication of possible obstruction, joe. this seems, to me, like some of the clearest reporting yet as to exactly what jack smith is looking, and potentially, what he could charge. >> yeah, no doubt about. it what we bring about the co-author of that story, washington post reporter colleen -- the justice department, perry stein.

tell us about what you have written and what you have uncovered. >> thank you for having me. the washington post reported yesterday that the day before that justice department officials and fbi officials came to mar-a-lago to collect more treatment heroes of the last four in the subpoena we learned that the day before that there is no evidence that boxes we moved back into the storage room. so that suggests that, we already knew that after the subpoena was issued, boxes removed out, and now we know that boxes were moved back in before law enforcement officials came to collect them. >> so, perry, one of the things, that was so interesting in your reporting was also that he left some of these documents, reportedly, out for potentially for people to see. and i want to ask you more about, that what more do you know about that, and how much does it matter, as you've been talking about with justice department officials, as to what those documents he may have left out are about.

i know we don't know the answer to that yet, but tell us a little bit more about that piece of your reporting. >> yeah, so we don't know exactly who he showed them to, what he did with them, what those specific documents say. we just know that he was showing them. i, mean it is a crime to mishandle classified materials, so i am sure that that plays into both what the crime he potentially are what people there potentially committed, and possibly to intent as well. >> so, perry, give us a sense, if you, will who investigators have been speaking to at mar-a-lago. are these employees, we know they have pierced attorney-client privilege for least one of the attorneys that trump accusing because that person is heavily involved in this. walk us through who the special counsel has been talking to. >> we know from this reporting yesterday that there were two employees, at least that we know now, that we're moving documents around both after the subpoena was issued and before they came to collect on that subpoena. so the one that has been public

so far is walt medina who is a valet, meaning, aid to trump, and this person who was a stab at mar-a-lago. so the seemed to be staff members that were moving these documents around, the lawyer for one of these people told us on the record yesterday that my guy had no idea what he was doing. he was just moving documents, moving these boxes, to help out. but he did not know what was in them, or that he was potentially committing a crime. >> all right, the washington post sperry stein, thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate it. reverend, all they do know, they do understand mar-a-lago the and let's just say, from my reporting, donald trump understands i he is in serious trouble here. and when you have a judge in this case that is already pierced the attorney client privilege, but caused, with only time a judge can do that, is they believe a crime may

have been committed through that attorney client privilege. at that point, you get this information about the boxes being moved the day before the doj, fbi, come down. donald trump does understand, has to understand, and everybody around him has to understand that this is not going to end well for him. it is people that are close to him. >> yes, not only do they understand that it is not going to end well. they know more than any of us know, and more until recently, what the prosecutors knew. that was what they did, and it was a question, i believe, of them, finding ways that they would try to limit what would be discovered. but i think they know very well, who like anybody that does something wrong or criminal, what is the possible things that could be discovered, which is why they made these moves that seem desperate.

but you may be guessing at just the tip of the iceberg of a lot of things, and i think that is what we are seeing. to move boxes the day before they are coming to a deal with this matter, seems to me that you are dealing with people that are really, really, panicking on the possibilities of what could be in. cuffed >> coming up, a top republican just said the quiet part out loud. he admitted that his party's investigation into president biden is all about boosting donald trump. our panel has a lot to say about that, next. about that, next.

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intention of his quote. in a fox news insight, james comer was asked whether he thought his investigation was the reason for an uptick in media coverage about the biden family's business dealings. his response was to cite head to head poll numbers between president joe biden and donald trump. >> do you think that because of your investigation has what's move this needle with the media? >> absolutely. there is no question. if you look at the polling, and right now, donald trump is seven points ahead of joe biden and trending upwards. joe biden is trending downward. and i believe that the media is looking around, scratching their head, and they are realizing that the american people are keeping up with their investigation. >> now, what we are realizing is actually, you made a fool of your self time and time again, and you don't really cherry-pick poll. because a republican poll that

just came out recently, public opinion strategies, which is, of course, as we've said here, is the most respected republican polls in washington. but most republicans would suggest that, they've been around for 25 years. their latest poll has, i think it is from the 13th to the 15th of may, has joe biden up over donald trump. it has him up even over donald trump in georgia. we could go through all of this, visits type, but there is nothing, nothing coming out of comer's investigation but more embarrassments from him. he hasn't produced any evidence, any evidence, and by the way, even right-wing allies in the media are saying that they would prove members of the biden family engage in any criminal activity, but of course, if you listen to that. you kind of have to remind you of somebody else, doesn't it? when we were all asking, why are they freaking out so much in the hearings and taking a

tragedy and trying to turn it into some political hit job on benghazi, and let's play the tape, and they can see the parallels. >> there's a match. >> everybody thought that hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee, one of her numbers today? her numbers are dropping, why? because she is on trustable. but no one would have known any of that happened hat -- >> i agree -- >> so, jane palmieri, that is kevin mccarthy in 2015 saying the quiet part out loud, that her poll numbers are down, that hillary clinton isn't trustable, sorry, by the, way for using one of your trigger words, which is benghazi. it has been an interesting campaign. but there are notable differences here, at, least that was, only what, eight years ago? and at least they pretended, or they tried to say that republicans was trying to get to the bottom of the depths of

americans, like benghazi, and they say this is not about hillary clinton. they said that publicly. and, by the way, after he made those comments, trey gowdy, the chairman of the committee, the bin gaza committee called him, and made him apologies publicly, saying it was disappointing, it's my friend so is especially disappointing. republicans made a big show of seeing how disappointed they were in kevin mccarthy, condemning what he had said. not here, because, ostensibly, that was about the death of americans, but explicitly, in the case of this biden family investigation, it is about joe biden. it is about his family, so they really can't say anything other than we are glad to see at least in one poll that they found, that it is taking a toll. >> it just shows you the erosion of the integrity of the republican party, even in the last eight years. and also how young kevin mccarthy looked in that, right? that was shocking. that was quite a responsibility. but, even that, what kevin mccarthy said in, that was in 15, about benghazi.

first of, not one of the best days in the clinton campaign, because it proved our whole theory that this was all political. and not within merit about what actually happened in benghazi. but actually, that was seen as costing kevin mccarthy the speakership. that move, and he did have to backtrack it, and as you said, trick out he did go after him. and now, jim comer, the chair of the committee, he just goes ahead and assert that that is the purpose. the purpose is, the purpose is to drive down biden's standing with the public, and, i like joe's point that these polls, most of the polls definitely do not show donald trump needing or a beating biden. but it should not be the point. and also, they are failing even in trying to assert any kind of royal case against the biden

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traditional masculine virtues like courage, and independents, and assertiveness, as a danger to society. this is an effort that the left has been up for years now, and they have had alarming success. >> that's republican senator, josh polley discussing the left, so-called, attack on a masculinity, during a speech back in 2021. that fight over manhood has become a key focus for halle as he and other republicans seem to be courting the support of disillusioned men. joining us now, editor at the washington monthly, will norris. we'll, you take a look at senator halle's version of masculinity in a new piece entitled, what josh hawley in the right get wrong about manhood. let me read part of it. you say republicans like halle are confronting a genuine, social problem. but they are using it to promote their careers to bring

disillusioned young men into the parties fold in fundamentally harmful ways. they are mistyped think knowing what is causing the cause of mental illness in boys and young man. it is not feminism. and they are wooing those hurting through a message of resentment. the reception on the left to halle's masculinity crusade has been predictable, jeers, snares, but little appreciation for a real social problem. many young men are hurting, women too often face misogyny, discrimination, and violence. acknowledging the woes of one group doesn't diminish the sufferings of another. by refusing to show how they are delivering for men the way the boast of delivering for women or minorities, democrats are blowing it. they are failing to expose the fraudulence of the right and leaving votes on the table. joe, this whole manhood thing has been an interesting tactic.

>> yeah, well, it has. and there is a reason why politicians are talking about it, at least politicians on the right. because, by one measurement after another, young men actually are in a state of crisis. and as will points out, certainly the republicans are right now to seem to notice this. so let's talk about how republicans, let's just talk about republicans, but also what i see all the time when i go online. i've got three boys, and at varying ages, so i see this moving. you, know the message from these people start out fairly positive. that is, get out of your rooms, get off of your screens, get outside, exercise, make something of yourself. and that is the first part of the message. and anybody that has seen what's happened to boys are young men over the past 15 years can say, great message.

but then it turns dark to massage me and bigotry. talk about what politically what people like steve bannon have identified with this group, and are trying to push them in a more radical direction. >> thank you so much for having me on today, and i think this tendency we are seeing among -- marjorie taylor greene, other figures on the right wing fringe of the party, to sort of mobilize misogyny this way. it really did start with a permutation with the 2016 trump campaign, steve bannon was, he really pioneered that strategy after going after in zones and using the tools of cambridge

analytical to attract them to his cause and to the trump cause. other republicans like halle, since that campaign, have identified that as a winning strategy. >> so, reverend al, i know you have a question for will. but this is something that will point out, the democrats just leave the people like josh hawley and steve bannon, you can see two crazy that, once right? so if you look at the crisis of manhood, if you talk about the crisis of young boys, the crisis of young men, as you have done for so many years. that doesn't mean that women aren't facing misogyny. that doesn't mean women are facing their own challenges either, and then there is almost a zero self gag. if you talk about men, then you are supporting toxic masculinity. and, into this void, have found

people like halle, and people like bannon. there is a massive crisis among young men, you look at the numbers. and it seems, to be growing by the year. what are some effective ways for people, other than these fluorite political profiteers. what are some of the ways to help young men. >> i think the first thing you have to do is not ignore the issue, and address young men, and say you understand the issue, you understand what you're facing. we understand the crisis you are facing, and we have to deal with that as we fight for rights for women against massage me and homophobia and the rest. i think that a lot of what they will do, the bands of halle and others is that the fact of the even address them attracts them, because they are feeling

ignored, and talking about young men. and i think that anytime you create a vacuum, whoever feels it benefits from it. >> coming up, u.s. surgeon general, vivek murthy, discovers us with a new warning about social media and mental health. morning joe we'll be right back. back back

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general has issued a new advisory this morning warning about the adverse effects of social media on our younger population according to the department of text heart and human surgeon general, nearly half of the teenager they spoke to say social media makes them feel worse about their body image and over 60% say they are exposed to hate based content on social media either often or sometimes and nearly 75% say that social media apps insights

are only doing a fair to poor job of addressing online harassment and joining us now is u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murphy. >> thank you so much for being with us, mr. surgeon general. tell us about your surgeon general's advisory over social media and mental health of youth in america. >> we are living in a youth and mental health crisis in america and i've said this before that this is a defining public health issue of our time and the reason i'm issuing this advisory as i'm very concerned now that social media is important factor that is driving the student mental health crisis and i talked to parents all across the country, and the common question that they asked is social media safer my. kids and things is that if you look at the collection of publicly available -- we can't say that social media is, in fact, a safer kids, and in fact, what we do see is growing evidence of harm's. and, specifically, you think

about the fact that kids who use more than three hours of social media a day face a greater risk in fact double the risk of depression and anxiety symptoms. this is especially concerning when you consider the fact that the average amount of use out of kids is three and a half hours a day. the bottom line is that this is a real point of concern here. when we have kids are telling us that social media is making things worse about their body image, i think, as a father who was two young children, i want what every parent wants, i want my kids to grab confident, to go up feeling good about themselves, i want them to be able to thrive. we should make sure that social media is a place where kids can benefit in a place where they are not harmed. >> what doesn't advisory do at this point in terms of spreading the message. i think a lot of parents are living the message and social media has become a part of the fabric of young people's lives. it is not something as a parent, we have a lot of power over. we have some, but we don't have

a lot. and, in other cases of things that were dangerous towards children, there were regulations, or laws, or bans, that can't smoke, you're not supposed to smoke cigarettes, you are not supposed to wear a seatbelt. you can't drink alcohol, to a certain age, what is the solution here, and what does this advisory do? >> and what are parents to do? >> those are really good questions, i'm glad you brought up parents, because they are in a very difficult situation here, and i hear this from parents all the time. they are having to deal with the technology that is rapidly evolving, that is pervasive, or 95% of kids are using social media. the technology that fundamentally has changed our kids look at themselves at each other in the world, but a technology that prior generations never had to deal with or pretend with, or manage. so parents are in a very difficult situation, and what i worry about, what we have largely flipped the burden of managing social media on the shoulders of parents and kids, and what they find themselves

in is pitted against some of the best product designers in the world who designed these platforms to maximize the amount of time that kid spent on these platforms. so i care about a surgeon general is not the amount of time that kid spent, i care most about their health and their well-being. that is what we should be seeking to optimize. what this advisory does is, number, one it helps parents understand what it tells us about the mental health impact of social media on our kids. but it also calls to action policy makers, technology companies, and lays out concrete actions that they can take. you mention other places where you looked and support parents in making this decision. you think about cars, we don't tell the parent of a 15 or 16-year-old, you figure out whether the car is safe on their own. you figure out what tools or safety positions and features a needs. we establish safety standards, and then we implement them and enforce them, that is what

policy makers need to do here. . >> dr. martin, good morning, i think it dropped the jaws of a lot of parents that showed especially teenage girls, especially young teenage girls, 60% have feelings of persistent sadness and helplessness, talking about suicidal ideation. all of these things that just break the heart of anybody who break that study. is there any doubt in your mind that this huge spike in and that is directly linked to the proliferation of social media? >> i'm using this advisory because i think it is, in fact, of the length. and i think in air of the questions we have to answer, here and part of the questions that we have to answers all the questions we have about the full extent of social medias impact, who was the greatest harm of what the mannequin isms of harm or, is connecting researchers that have not been able to get all of the data that they need it from technology companies. it is something that i hear all the time from researchers around the country, and that is

something that has to change. look, i recognize that some of the companies have been working to make the platform safer, and that is a good thing. but it hasn't been enough. and we need to move faster. social media has been around for 20 years. yet, i have not yet seen in all the publicly available evidence we have looked at, that there is clear evidence that this is in fact safe for our kids. and i think that's what parents are asking for, i think that is a reasonable ask. i think if you think about some of, this the other, day i came home and my wife and i were talking to our daughter, who is five years, old it is in preschool. and she asked us about posting a picture on social media. she is five years old. she is in preschool. and we don't talk to her about social media, but her classmates are talking about it. this is pervasive, it is everywhere, and that is why it is so important that we support parents. i will tell you what we are doing for our kids, is that as our kids get older, it is going to be to delay the use of social media until after middle school.

i recognize that it's easier said than done, and we are going to need help, so we are looking for other parents we can partner with who might take a similar approach to their kids, because there is strength in numbers. but for parents out there whose kids are already on social media, a couple things i would offer. one, is to start a conversation with your children about social media, about the benefits, about the harms, but also about when they should be worried to be harassed, or, bilious so many kids are. and also recognize there are so many areas in your kids like that you want to protect. there is sleep, there in person time with others, and their time for physical activity. and making those times in their life tech free zones is one way that we could help protect our children. >> coming up on morning joe, sarah barrell us is judging a new singing competition with the twist the two-time grammy renner joins us at the table to explain, you are watching morning joe, we will be right back. back back ...designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder - that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that... ...i need a breakthrough card...

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to the new honorable singing competition called breakthrough. the show feature georgia's ceremonial, and kelly roland, as well as host davie digs as they have five undiscovered musicians through a competition through musicians next muscle isn't. the twist, the show is audio only, which puts the focus purely on the consent since musical ability. grammy winner, cerebral ellis, joins us now in studio. great to see you, sarah. >> this is not on twitter spaces, because that sounded really good. that sounded amazing. >> -- it didn't go great. so let's keep it to -- [laughter] this does seem like the next, if the voice on nbc was, we can't see the performance, we just hear it, i will judge it, this is like the next step of those. you just had to be a great musician, a great singer, and have a unique voice to get through. >> when real realized, heavy -- how much information you're getting visually all the time,

and how many biases and assumptions you end up making about who a person is by just the information you get about the way they look, how tall they are, how they dress, all the things. it was very intimate to just be, it reminded me of how i listened to music on my bathroom floor, with the headphones on, just reading lyrics. it's a really intimate way. >> you're not in the room? >> i saw these contestants for the first time yesterday. we had our finale taping yesterday, and it was remarkable. you know how and people had mass on covid, you had misappropriate there malice. you know what i mean? i was like, oh my gosh, i thought you had red hair. you know, but then immediately, they all came to life exactly as they were. >> that's incredible. >> and then you're choosing them for the right reason, their talent. >> exactly. >> what you use this in the first place? was at the idea of trying to focus on the music? you mentioned laying on your

bedroom floor with headphones. was it's -- >> i always want to doing things i haven't done before, that's definitely something that's a big draw for me, and i hadn't worked in this space before, and i loved the courage of doing -- it is a competition show, but not really. we didn't have a winner every week, we didn't have, there was a winner at the end of it, but the point of breakthrough was about these artists meeting challenges within the selves and breaking through and evolving, and they all did. their connection, this is a really kind, nurturing competition show. nobody was mean -- it's a great idea, and it's the way we consume things now. we're trained was podcast, you walk down the street, you're listening to the car, it's such a great idea. we have to ask you about the tony nomination for end of the woods. congratulations. as you said, it was a complete surprise for something that was supposed to be like a two-week cedar flame for you.

>> that's right, it was supposed to be two weeks at city center for the encores series, and it turned into a broadway run, and then tony nomination, which is really meaningful. as i see it her kid, waitress was an extraordinary adventure for me, but i never advantage myself as a broadway composer. i imagine myself on stage in this way, so to get acknowledged by this community of people that -- just meant more to me than anything in the world. it's unbelievable. i'm so grateful. >> you can listen to the audible original, breakthrough, starting next thursday, june 1st, streaming anywhere that you get your podcasts. sara bareilles, thank you very much. >> that does it for us, have a great rest of your memorial day weekend. ial da weekend. this is the katie phang show, live from miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover,